Fortune of Lies [Gameover Mafia Win)

[Michelle]

Michelle, I said Pao was obvious town because of the way they treated their claim. but idk, maybe i'm jumping the gun a bit because i'm kind of confused by there being 2 cops and a lie detector that can be used as a cop?

I can target him overnight i guess, but I would prefer to clear someone else. Not gonna say it because I guess Mac died because of the check

[alexa]

Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff

[alexa]

Michelle, I said Pao was obvious town because of the way they treated their claim. but idk, maybe i'm jumping the gun a bit because i'm kind of confused by there being 2 cops and a lie detector that can be used as a cop?

I can target him overnight i guess, but I would prefer to clear someone else. Not gonna say it because I guess Mac died because of the check

imo target in SOA/sig/Ruri/Marmot

[NotAnAxehole]

Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff

I don't get the sense that Michelle cares about my alignment.

[alexa]

that said i will actually read through your stuff now

[Michelle]

naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p

My issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.

So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.

Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.

Coloured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.

@everyone this is a wolf

You wanted me dead before Scotty checks, it's not something that came up after.

Probably we have different image about what a thunderdome is, i don't take a mafia read as a thunderdome

[NotAnAxehole]

Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff

I don't get the sense that Michelle cares about my alignment.

If she did, she would just check me rather than pushing against the town consensus for days on end.

[NotAnAxehole]

naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p

My issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.

So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.

Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.

Coloured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.

@everyone this is a wolf

You wanted me dead before Scotty checks, it's not something that came up after.

Probably we have different image about what a thunderdome is, i don't take a mafia read as a thunderdome

No one this game shares your read except for probable mafia Ruri.

[alexa]

Spoiler: show

Yeah, I am lobbying to have someone generate a new one for me.

Well the “white placard in front of the void” chic is definitely a vibe

I don’t believe you to be VT. Of all the phrases Gav listed, I believe the “one role is useless” to be the one that is a lie.

why though

Why can NAA be town?

Yea it’s purely based on gut, but then again, it is Gavial, so watch the lie actually be ‘There is at least one town’ and I’m about to get clowned

i was in champs spectator chat where Alison was complaining about how bad he (NAA) was as scum and how he barely posted so coming in with energy/confidence the way he did may be >rand town

lol i don't know Gavial, but going to assume the set-up wouldn't be that level of insane

My last game NAA was mafia and I spec’d another when he was bad over the summer so even tho small sample size I think I have a good idea of his scum games

I’m fully noncommittal right now. He needs time to marinate like an egg on the sidewalk

Yeah, I am lobbying to have someone generate a new one for me.

Well the “white placard in front of the void” chic is definitely a vibe

I don’t believe you to be VT. Of all the phrases Gav listed, I believe the “one role is useless” to be the one that is a lie.

why though

Why can NAA be town?

Yea it’s purely based on gut, but then again, it is Gavial, so watch the lie actually be ‘There is at least one town’ and I’m about to get clowned

i was in champs spectator chat where Alison was complaining about how bad he (NAA) was as scum and how he barely posted so coming in with energy/confidence the way he did may be >rand town

lol i don't know Gavial, but going to assume the set-up wouldn't be that level of insane

Also to add on to your point- he was basically running the thread as scum in the last game…Granted, the rest of town was basically taking siestas but take from that what u will

why though

Why can NAA be town?

Yea it’s purely based on gut, but then again, it is Gavial, so watch the lie actually be ‘There is at least one town’ and I’m about to get clowned

i was in champs spectator chat where Alison was complaining about how bad he (NAA) was as scum and how he barely posted so coming in with energy/confidence the way he did may be >rand town

lol i don't know Gavial, but going to assume the set-up wouldn't be that level of insane

Also to add on to your point- he was basically running the thread as scum in the last game…Granted, the rest of town was basically taking siestas but take from that what u will

I mean, I think we can all agree that your opinion is basically irrelevant when put next to Alison.

Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

I’ll show you a tone

Alexa, play me a tone

i will never vote mac as we are both victims

yea i mean if we want to really read into this, the host chose 3 people to randomly nickname: Mac, you and falcon.

Could be said you're probably all town. Could be said.

Never met 5 of you.

Putting placeholder on sig for now. We go way back

Scotty's early interactions are with NAA and Alexa.
Alexa is confirmed town by my check, so what's the reason for Scotty to interact that much with another townie? None, he have to distance from a partner, because that's the way mafia can win later in the game, right?
Some meta throwed itt to support a town read for NAA, who wasn't townie one bit, btw, and a suspish emoji as answer at a post, that's not a real intent to pocket a townie.
There is a difference in the way he talked to Alexa vs the way he talked to NAA. Psychologically, NAA was treated like a buddy.

MM, Mac and Falcon had all the name mistaken in the poll and Scotty was TRing all. Rule of 3 says one may be mafia, but the names weren't chosen by Scotty, so no
I reffuse paranoia on MM atm.

ehh, i'm not sure i fully see this? as mafia i try to interact with as many towns as possible, because people townread those who interact with them

OH ALSO there was another non W/W thing, one sec

[Michelle]

Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff

His focus on me since I started to suspect him is really odd.
I think wolves have different means to play /distance /fake, not only the ones you know /use

[alexa]

Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me

[NotAnAxehole]

Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me

You will actually find this as a trend in my games, if I see a mod respond to a player directly in thread, I always angleshoot them town.

[alexa]

Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff

His focus on me since I started to suspect him is really odd.
I think wolves have different means to play /distance /fake, not only the ones you know /use

i suppose
i just know i heard a lot of things about NAA that make me think some of the reasons you suspect them are very much just playstyle

[NotAnAxehole]

Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff

His focus on me since I started to suspect him is really odd.
I think wolves have different means to play /distance /fake, not only the ones you know /use

I've been focused on the game and I've offered my thoughts on the optimal path forward / who I think is the mafia, the only time I'm focused on you is replying to these bad reads.

[Michelle]

naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p

My issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.

So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.

Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.

Coloured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.

@everyone this is a wolf

You wanted me dead before Scotty checks, it's not something that came up after.

Probably we have different image about what a thunderdome is, i don't take a mafia read as a thunderdome

No one this game shares your read except for probable mafia Ruri.

I don't prefflip players.
I don't know Ruri's alignament
She may be mafia and you just bus each other, but I need the flip to be sure.
Only mafia is sure about alignaments btw

[NotAnAxehole]

Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff

His focus on me since I started to suspect him is really odd.
I think wolves have different means to play /distance /fake, not only the ones you know /use

i suppose
i just know i heard a lot of things about NAA that make me think some of the reasons you suspect them are very much just playstyle

Big reputation, big reputation
Ooh you and me we got big reputations, ah
And you heard about me, ooh
I got some big enemies

[NotAnAxehole]

naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p

My issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.

So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.

Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.

Coloured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.

@everyone this is a wolf

You wanted me dead before Scotty checks, it's not something that came up after.

Probably we have different image about what a thunderdome is, i don't take a mafia read as a thunderdome

No one this game shares your read except for probable mafia Ruri.

I don't prefflip players.
I don't know Ruri's alignament
She may be mafia and you just bus each other, but I need the flip to be sure.
Only mafia is sure about alignaments btw

My bad, I thought you were a cop

[Michelle]

Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me

I respect your opinion but I keep mine.

If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?

[alexa]

Michelle: Insane Cop
MM: Sane Cop
Pao: Lie detector who can detect alignments
Ruri: Cop giver

how can all of those be town tbh

also Ruri has literally not used her power which is weird

[alexa]

[VOTE: RURI] aubergine

for now

[Michelle]

Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me

I respect your opinion but I keep mine.

If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?

[alexa]

Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me

I respect your opinion but I keep mine.

If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?

he could, but i'm just seeing the wildness as NAI. i honestly personally felt like Scotty's treatment of him spewed him town (or 3P: not aligned with Scotty) and i'm generally decent with spew

[NotAnAxehole]

Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me

I respect your opinion but I keep mine.

If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?

I'm an easy read, you just don't got it.

[NotAnAxehole]

But yeah, I feel like the entire town has the correct read on me of not-mafia except for 1 person... This means I'm an easy read.

[alexa]

Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me

I respect your opinion but I keep mine.

If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?

I'm an easy read, you just don't got it.

is she a wolf or is she bad at reading you?

[NotAnAxehole]

I have heard that for reading me, it's easiest to ignore everything I post and read me on spew because players usually are very opinionated about me, which they don't think to fake as mafia, or don't know how to fake as mafia.

[NotAnAxehole]

Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me

I respect your opinion but I keep mine.

If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?

I'm an easy read, you just don't got it.

is she a wolf or is she bad at reading you?

I don't know, my gut says she's town, but the push is like... Really really really getting excessive for a townie to ignore everything that's going on around them.

[alexa]

I have heard that for reading me, it's easiest to ignore everything I post and read me on spew because players usually are very opinionated about me, which they don't think to fake as mafia, or don't know how to fake as mafia.

i like how this conveniently comes after i say that i have you as town from spew lol

[NotAnAxehole]

I have heard that for reading me, it's easiest to ignore everything I post and read me on spew because players usually are very opinionated about me, which they don't think to fake as mafia, or don't know how to fake as mafia.

i like how this conveniently comes after i say that i have you as town from spew lol

I like to reinforce the important conclusions that other people come to.

[alexa]

NAA, have you claimed?

[NotAnAxehole]

NAA, have you claimed?

Yes

[alexa]

also, the push from Michelle is towny regardless of your alignment, and her claim is pretty much always town anyways.

[alexa]

NAA, have you claimed?

Yes

what are you?

[NotAnAxehole]

NAA, have you claimed?

Yes

what are you?

3rd Party Jester, unless you want to claim SK, then I will rescind.

[alexa]

lol

[NotAnAxehole]

lol

Well, I need to leave reasonable doubt.

[alexa]

why are you so mad about Michelle pushing you if you're 3rd party Jester?

[NotAnAxehole]

why are you so mad about Michelle pushing you if you're 3rd party Jester?

I need to leave reasonable doubt.

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.

[alexa]

Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.

doesn't a jester win if yeeted?

[alexa]

tbh i don't know what to make of you as a whole but i don't want to vote because really not seeing you paired w/Scotty.

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.

doesn't a jester win if yeeted?

Yes, but I'm not getting yeeted today.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@alexa
@Jackofhearts2005
@MafiaMenace
@LinearPoint
please read my last posts and give me your ideas


Everyone else can join and give inputs

Should I add NAA wants a thunderdome tomorrow? There is no way a townie can think like this, for town there is never a better moment than toDay, right now, asap, immediatly.
His mindset is one of a wolf who needs time to get rid of towniest people before such match

Work break finished

Idk there's not much to your last post tbh

[Marmot]

Also, @Marmot I don't like TWTBW reads because for me, I don't actually believe that I've done anything even remotely wolfy... Yeah, crazy anti-town at times, but no one is more anti-town than the town. I think TWTBW reads occur when people have a warped sense of what is alignment indicative.

I think that's the point of TWTBW, the actions of someone look so anti-town, that they probably are just a town player shooting themselves in the foot, which like you kinda say, happens all the time.

Also

Paopan choosing to lie-detect you claiming vanilla (when Gavial claimed there are no vanilla roles) and lie-detecting a dead player (falcon) do not strike me as coming from a mafiachat.


I didn't call you TWTBW though, why are you talking about you here?

Why can't those claims come from the mafia chat?
Please expand on that

Like alexa said, it shows an utter amount of uncoordination

Or possibly deviance.


But the simplest answer to me is that Paopan wasn't paying attention, not that mafia chose to have Paopan make these wild choices in lie-detecting statements to make it seem TWTBW.

[Marmot]

Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.

doesn't a jester win if yeeted?

What I would like to know is: does everyone else lose if a jester is yeeted?

[LinearPoint]

Jester is too simple for this game.

[Marmot]

Given that most roles are probably Modified, it's probably a Modified Jester if it exists.

[LinearPoint]

Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.

doesn't a jester win if yeeted?

What I would like to know is: does everyone else lose if a jester is yeeted?

That 100% depends on which version of which Jester is used. Sometimes yes sometimes no

[LinearPoint]

Given that most roles are probably Modified, it's probably a Modified Jester if it exists.

For example. Wiggly.

[Marmot]

@Michelle target me tonight if you want.