Fortune of Lies [Gameover Mafia Win)

[Scotty]

I've done this about 10x in this game already.

yeah but you're a wolfsiding dingus as both alignments and Lime Coke is ... well he is too so I guess I could retract the read.

I win as town most of the time.

Pretty sure I got a winning record as town on MU as well.

I heard MU is awful... Wait no, I played on MU, bussed all of my partners and won easily without actually killing any of them and they all cried post-game. MU is fun.

Town play kind of...tanked in the past few months.

When a vanilla town decides to CC a cop 10 minutes from deadline, it's become quite bad.

Based on how town sided Champs set ups are, I'd say it's not a "past few months" phenomenon, but what do I know? I'm terrible at mafia, I just happen to see the dice. I'm like dead pool, except with no superpower, or notable skills.

this made me lol

[Scotty]

ok well a whole page with no developments after Mac claimed cop, so off I go I guess

[Scotty]

Another 5 pages. Good grief.

This one looks as good as any

[VOTE: Ruri] aubergine

[Scotty]

VC

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Who’s the one you fear the most?
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


NotAnAxehole
1
9%
Voters: MacDougall
DrWigly
5
45%
Voters: NotAnAxehole, Lime Coke, Scotty, Ruri, alexa
Ruri
0
No votes
Voters: None
MafiaMan
0
No votes
Voters: None
Captain Falcon
0
No votes
Voters: None
JackofHearts
0
No votes
Voters: None
LinearPoint
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
LimeCoke
0
No votes
Voters: None
Marmot
0
No votes
Voters: None
Paopan
0
No votes
Voters: None
MightyQ
2
18%
Voters: MafiaMenace, MightyQ
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDongull
1
9%
Voters: Marmot
alexa
1
9%
Voters: Michelle
Son of Anarchy
1
9%
Voters: dunya
Total votes: 11

Mighty is self voting? Why?

There's no "unvote" option.

I might be inexperienced, but I see no reason to vote day 1. No good evidence to conclude any of the scum, so I just memed

Yes, however [reasons]
But I’m limping you in the Townlean because of this

[Scotty]

okie I go to breakyfast now

I’m still fine with Wilgy as our lunch but I don’t want a hammer close on D1 thanks

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm fine with wigly, but I probably won't vote there at EOD.

[sig]

I'm here, gonna be doing some catch up today. and should have more posts about general thoughts later today. I believe the day ends tomorrow right not today?

Also as always in catch up mode if anyone wants to give a quick tldr and explanation of current votes I'd appreciate it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hello everyone.

I'm Paopan, and this is my first time playing in this site.

Would be sad if I were going to die day/night 1 hi hi hi.

K I won't nightkill you.

[sig]

Having said that, let's vote Mac

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Scotty

Actually what are your reads as a whole? I've seen them sprinkled in in separate posts but I'd like to see your worldview as a whole.

Good idea


Townread-
Michelle

Townlean-
You
Alexa

Mafia lean-
Linear Point: I’ve explained already but something is too guarded about them. Everything makes sense, and nothing they have said raises any flags, but how they’re approaching their reads makes me pause.

Mafia read-
Mafia menace: I don’t like how they picked NAA and has seemingly settled into a comfy armchair of accusation. I think it’s a bit too early to be tunneled on one player. Could vote today

Wilgy: ima copy your words- his entrance was indeed gross. Like a greasy used encyclopedia salesman. I think the most genuine thing he’s said so far is that he’s only mostly a doctor. Online accredited only.

Other-
Mac: ok so the weird thing is I know Mac’s absence can be NAI but it’s not like he’s been absent. He was around for a bit and seemed to cherry pick his responses. I don’t think he’s giving a very town D1…it’s only the first 24 hours so I’m reserving judgment and waiting for him to stir up chaos but scum lean

SoA: don’t remember anything he’s said but he’s got a swagger. I’d buy him a round of middle shelf bourbon. townlean.

Jack: read more. He’s only come in and said he hasn’t read anything. It’s only like 4 pages- Clifford the Big Red Dog is longer, so that’s not a good excuse. Scum lean

Marmot: dropped in from his cloud with a vote for someone for no reason. Pretty lolworthy, and to wolfy to be wolf, so townlean.

MightyQ: post more.

No u

[sig]

sup

i don't trust this setup and i'm going to crumb my role at some point to avoid shenanigans gl mafia

[sig]

sup

i don't trust this setup and i'm going to crumb my role at some point to avoid shenanigans gl mafia

anyways there's like 3 people in this game i can read and i know no one else

Who are these three?
Would role crumbling be helpful when we have bastard type roles?

[sig]

NAA invented a new game:

lol

[sig]

Never met 5 of you.

Putting placeholder on sig for now. We go way back

I rescind my lol from above.

[sig]

Why are you defending Wilgy, Michelle? I don't think Wilgy's done enough to warrant any defense.

Exactly because of that. And because he is the most mischopped player at Syndicate.
Why would a player like Alexa vote so lazy a low poster?

Mac did NOTHING, so he can die imo
I am calling his vote on Alexa distancing because he didn't vote in the poll. Also her vote for Mac wasn't good and their interaction is wolfy.

NO, NOPE, NOT AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!

Wilgy coming for my title as most mischopped how dare he, I am the most mischopped player here tyvm.

[Scotty]

Why are you defending Wilgy, Michelle? I don't think Wilgy's done enough to warrant any defense.

Exactly because of that. And because he is the most mischopped player at Syndicate.
Why would a player like Alexa vote so lazy a low poster?

Mac did NOTHING, so he can die imo
I am calling his vote on Alexa distancing because he didn't vote in the poll. Also her vote for Mac wasn't good and their interaction is wolfy.

NO, NOPE, NOT AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!

Wilgy coming for my title as most mischopped how dare he, I am the most mischopped player here tyvm.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[Scotty]

I don’t like being a consensus town read by a bunch of people on D1, it feels foreign.

Someone sus me so I can attempt to gain your love

[alexa]

multitabling is hell

i'm going to catch up now

[alexa]

Honestly there has not been too many players who have come in very active off the bat.
The fact that michelle, Alexa, and LC are all active and contributing is enough for me to at least put them as not a priority lynch.
I prefer checking active players over passive players as investigative roles so a Mafia hiding among them is not something I am too concerned with at the moment.

As for the suckup thing it was mostly from the fact that you without hesitation imediatly jumped on my early assessment of MM's vote being forced saying you agreed with it.
Things like that tend to put me on watch for someone especially since I'm new to this site so I was keeping the possibility of you trying to win over a newbie in the back of my mind.

we have a similar mafia philosophy at the very least

[sig]

I did a very quick speed skim/catch up so here we go.

1)NotAnAxehole: I've played now two games with him, read him as mafia both times and was wrong. So meta wise I don't have the best track record. He's playing almost the same as those last two game(?) So I'd go with a light town read based off tone.

2)DrWilgy: Don't like this wagon for the sole reason that he commonly gets mischopped early on. The reasoning for the vote seems weak as well an easy D1 place to hide and write off.

3)Ruri: NA?

4)MafiaMenace: Either super town based off there catch up or a very committed mafia member. I'd appreciate some meta on how they play as mafia vs civ. BUT, without that i'm going with a civ lean.

5)falcon45ca: Prior grudge recommend lynching.

6)Jackofhearts2005: Doesn't seem to have much content, but remember jack posting. Null with a slight mafia lean I guess

7)LinearPoint: New player to me so no meta knowledge. Posts are a bit of a gut ping so will be doing an iso later. Right now Null, but I'll have more later.

8)Michelle: Town read. Like the tone, her entrance, and wilgy defense.

9)LimeCoke: Think I might be confusing our two L named player so need to review them both. Since i"ve got no read for lc, but I know they've posted?

10)Marmot: Doing marmot things so Null.

11)Paopan: I'm not sure how i feel about their first post, but right now just need more content.

12)MightyQ: Same thing as above, can't recall any real posts, need some content/might iso if have the time.

13)Scotty: Mafia read I don't think I've ever seen scotty be so engaged and active as a civ so instant red flag with that. He"s also still maintaining the normal light hearted jokey side, but either way is a player to watch that I'd not put in the town core when ppl make one.

14)sig: god among the player, 100% a civ, shouldn't be voted off, night killed, or asked to elaborate on any reads/posts as he probably won't respond.

15)MacDougall: I'll have a good read on Mac by day threeish. I don't believe the cop claim at all and even if it is real with a fake cop isn't really the best claim. I guess we could in theory test it on a sketchy player and determine if he's insane or not, but seems risky to maybe risk a civ? It's probably something to discuss D2.

16)Alexa: Comes in pretty towny, another player I'm not familiar with though. @alexa who are the three players you know/what's there general meta?

17)Son of Anarch: Withholding judgement, haven't really seen enough to form an opinion one way or another. So also on my iso list.

[alexa]

Honestly there has not been too many players who have come in very active off the bat.
The fact that michelle, Alexa, and LC are all active and contributing is enough for me to at least put them as not a priority lynch.
I prefer checking active players over passive players as investigative roles so a Mafia hiding among them is not something I am too concerned with at the moment.

As for the suckup thing it was mostly from the fact that you without hesitation imediatly jumped on my early assessment of MM's vote being forced saying you agreed with it.
Things like that tend to put me on watch for someone especially since I'm new to this site so I was keeping the possibility of you trying to win over a newbie in the back of my mind.

You’re reminding me a lot of myself and my tendencies. I also prefer to keep talkers over non contributors or lurkers on d1.
And I’m also on watch of people that may brown nose.

I don’t know what that says about your alignment, but…it’s creepy man. Cut it out

sick TRIPLE mindmeld

tbh i'm probably not voting Marmot/Linear today anyway because while i don't have a storng read on their alignment i don't hate their posts

[alexa]

@sig the 3 people I was referring to were Lime Coke, Michelle, and Mac
Lime Coke and Michelle are both fairly polarized and imo clear villagers here

Mac is readable for me but may take a bit more time. i'm sure a lot of people on TS have an idea of his meta too

[alexa]

Why are you defending Wilgy, Michelle? I don't think Wilgy's done enough to warrant any defense.

Exactly because of that. And because he is the most mischopped player at Syndicate.
Why would a player like Alexa vote so lazy a low poster?

Mac did NOTHING, so he can die imo
I am calling his vote on Alexa distancing because he didn't vote in the poll. Also her vote for Mac wasn't good and their interaction is wolfy.

you are confbiasing yourself in a ludicrous way if you're calling my RVS vote on mac "bad"

[Son of Anarch]

Damn, I should probably put a vote down before people call me scummy for not doin' it

[VOTE: Papaoan] aubergine

[Son of Anarch]

Oops, made a bit of a typo

[alexa]

god the way people have done catch up formatting is pretty but i really can't be fucked with it on this site, maybe if i'm alive late game i'll bother

[Son of Anarch]

Guy reads to me like they're not tryin' to step on anyone's toes and just play safe

[alexa]

i have already crumbed my role btw

[alexa]

@Gavial can you include ISO links?

[alexa]

@alexa

I feel like you and I are going to have to work with each other more in this game because some people are going to be during this. Seeing how we're kind of reading things in the same way already it shouldn't be that hard.

@Lime Coke 8/17 of the game hasn't posted yet so i can't exactly sort through the game yet sadly, but i'm happy to work with you and bounce reads off of you as well

either lime is trying to pocket you or just gently placed himself immediately into yours... we shall see

we're both town tbh

[LinearPoint]

So far I just have 3 people I'm leaning on scum right now.
That being MM slightly because their vote on NAA just felt forced.
NAA because I went over their posts and I don't like that of their 26 posts, currently the 3rd highest post count, there isn't a single post actually pertaining to the game.
Last is SoA for the same reasons as NAA though to a much lesser extent. I just don't like their approach to gut reading people without ever explaining the reads given. The main reason I say to a lesser extent is because they have fewer posts and have actually given some degree of an opinion though I hope they eventually elaborate a bit.

Most other players I'm currently neutral to town leaning on. I was a tad worried of Scotty at first because it seemed to me at first they were giving off a bit of a suckup kind of vibe to get on my good side early, but their last few posts disproved that notion and I find them to be among the stronger of the townleans I currently have. I also like what I am seeing from LC, Michelle, and Alexa to the point I'm probably not going to vote them today.
Like I said, most others haven't done enough contribution either way to influence me.

Currently thinking between NAA and MM. A bit more towards MM since if they are Mafia I would put more stock into the possibility of their odd interaction with NAA as a busing attempt after they realized that saying they are town for pretty shaky reasons was sus where I find the other way around of NAA flipping Mafia being less telling of MM's role.

Please link here recent town and scum game of yours, I need to understand your playstyle

It probably wont be too helpful, I have not played as a player in almost 3 years so I don't even really know the playstyle used back then.
Latest two I could find, both were themed so I just put the equivalent role.
Town Doublevoter (eventually became a tripplevoter)
Mafia Rolecop - A note about this one, something came up near the end that caused me to need to leave so the last day or so don't actually have posts since they never filled the position before Mafia won by Town lynching each other.

I'm still catching up, but I need to go and will be back in a short bit. Just wanted to answer this.

[alexa]

i now think Mac's a villager tbh

[alexa]

okay i'm caught up, reminded that i hate this site and noting to myself not to play here again. my general reads RN:

Town:
alexa
Michelle
LimeCoke
Scotty

Not Voting Today/Lighter Town:
NotAnAxehole
MafiaMenace
LinearPoint
Marmot
sig
Son of Anarch
MacDougall

IDK/Unsorted/Maybe Scum/Could Vote:
DrWilgy
Ruri
falcon45ca
Jackofhearts2005
Paopan
MightyQ

[LinearPoint]

i feel like rather than wolfreading axe im just gonna call him a jester and move on tbh
the consistent fluff despite being second highest poster is telling lolol

Wait there could be jesters? I’ve never played with jesters

I see this line of thought and big if true

Unlikely, I have rolled Jester 5 or 6 times in my career.
So if there were a Jester, I would be the Jester, and since I am not the Jester there is no Jester.

[Scotty]

13)Scotty: Mafia read I don't think I've ever seen scotty be so engaged and active as a civ so instant red flag with that. He"s also still maintaining the normal light hearted jokey side, but either way is a player to watch that I'd not put in the town core when ppl make one.

[LinearPoint]

VC

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Who’s the one you fear the most?
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


NotAnAxehole
1
9%
Voters: MacDougall
DrWigly
5
45%
Voters: NotAnAxehole, Lime Coke, Scotty, Ruri, alexa
Ruri
0
No votes
Voters: None
MafiaMan
0
No votes
Voters: None
Captain Falcon
0
No votes
Voters: None
JackofHearts
0
No votes
Voters: None
LinearPoint
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
LimeCoke
0
No votes
Voters: None
Marmot
0
No votes
Voters: None
Paopan
0
No votes
Voters: None
MightyQ
2
18%
Voters: MafiaMenace, MightyQ
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDongull
1
9%
Voters: Marmot
alexa
1
9%
Voters: Michelle
Son of Anarchy
1
9%
Voters: dunya
Total votes: 11

Mighty is self voting? Why?

There's no "unvote" option.

I might be inexperienced, but I see no reason to vote day 1. No good evidence to conclude any of the scum, so I just memed

Just noticed this when going over ISOs. We don't have a choice to not lynch. It's Plurality so whoever has the most votes at the end of the day is being lynched.
If anything Not Voting is just giving the Mafia full control over the lynch since they have the benefit of knowing who they shouldn't be voting.

[LinearPoint]

Alright, caught up on the last 3 pages so I'll post an updated quickreads list and a spoiler full reads for those wanting to read a little extra.

Town {Scotty, Michelle}
Slight Townlean {Marmot, Alexa}
Unsure of but not on lynch for today {LC, Mac}
Neutral {MM, Sig}
Slight scum lean {SoA, MightyQ}
Will be fine lynching if they continue to only post fluff {NAA, Wiggly, Jack}
Basically no posts to go off of {Paopan, Falcon, Ruri}

Spoiler: show

Scotty & Michelle - Both feel quite genuine in their reads and posts don't feel forced. They seem to be relaxed and just playing naturally so I'm feeling that is Town.

Marmot & Alexa - Both seem to be town by my gut, but I haven't seen quite the same tells in them as I saw in Scotty and Michelle's posts. Still leaning Town though.

LC - I was originally going to put them into the slight townlean but their latest reads posts #258 given me some pause to that thought so they are going into neutral for now. I'm not really seeing many opinions that aren't commonly held by others in their posts so I'm hesitant to call them town for now, but it isn't enough of a trend to say it is scum yet.
Mac - I've played with players who post in similar styles to Mac. While I am pretty opposed to that playstyle I've seen some pretty strong players in the past post similar to him so I'm not quick to want to lynch him today.

MM - Recent posts have been looking better in my opinion so I'm shifting them from scumlean to neutral.
Sig - Originally going into the no posts, but they have posted finally and their reads have some spicy hottakes and not just paroting other reads so I'm putting them in solid neutral for now as all I have to go on is a single reads post basically, but at leas they have something. More than could be said for others.

MightyQ - Was tempted to give them their own category of veryslight scumlean. I mostly just don't like their use of the newbie excuse to not vote and I haven't really seen too much contribution from them. I'd like to see more from them, but its a very slight scumread for now.
SoA - I still don't like his posts, they feel very off to me. They openly stated their reads are all soul which I assume to mean they just aren't bothering to put any effort into them. They were quick to talk about forming a townblock while not really standing out as the type of player to take charge and actually lead a proper townblock. He even said his vote is basically just to not get scumread so altogether it makes me suspect they are a neutral role who is very unhappy about their role as their complete lack of interest in the game is hard to justify in my mind otherwise.

There isn't much to say about the other 6. NAA continues to not really post anything but fluff, Wiggle came in posted a few memes then left, and Jack also seemed to only really have fluff in their posts.
I will make a slight note abotu Falcon though, I really dislike their entrance with declaring they are town and then just leaving without any further effort to read the thread or anything.

[MafiaMenace]

have you figured out how to use isos yet

[LinearPoint]

Yeah it wasn't too hard, but a little annoying they aren't in one place.
I'm about to just make a list to be honest.

[MafiaMenace]

heres a recent town game for whoever said they wanted my meta
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... onal-Setup
all my other games are 2-3 years old so theyre a bit outdated

[MafiaMenace]

they are tho?

[alexa]

where are the isos? no i haven't figured it out

[MafiaMenace]

you tellin me everyone ignored the gif i poured my heart and soul into making? :(

[LinearPoint]

Alright done, here are the ISOs.
Host) Gavial
1)NotAnAxehole
2)DrWilgy
3)Ruri
4)MafiaMenace
5)falcon45ca
6)Jackofhearts2005
7)LinearPoint
8)Michelle
9)LimeCoke
10)Marmot
11)Paopan
12)MightyQ
13)Scotty
14)sig
15)MacDougall
16)Alexa
17)Son of Anarch

[Syn]

ISOs have been added to the bottom of the first post. Thank you, LP.

[Michelle]

I had a very tiresome long day and I am finally home, caught up but unable to play because I am very sleepy.

Glad to see Sig posting, looks good
Ruri only complained about pages to read - nothing to see, looks bad
Mighty ignored me as well. Plays the noob card, but i don't think they are noob.

I have to sleep but I will be here in the morning

Random things;
@Jackofhearts2005 pls play if you are town
I don't like Alexa's progression on Mac
I don't know if Mac's claim makes him v, because his play says the opposite

[Michelle]

you tellin me everyone ignored the gif i poured my heart and soul into making?

Sorry, i didn't know you made it

[Michelle]

Thanks for the meta links, i will take a look in a few hours

[alexa]

I had a very tiresome long day and I am finally home, caught up but unable to play because I am very sleepy.

Glad to see Sig posting, looks good
Ruri only complained about pages to read - nothing to see, looks bad
Mighty ignored me as well. Plays the noob card, but i don't think they are noob.

I have to sleep but I will be here in the morning

Random things;
@Jackofhearts2005 pls play if you are town
I don't like Alexa's progression on Mac
I don't know if Mac's claim makes him v, because his play says the opposite

i've had no progression on Mac because i never outed a read on him in the first place other than "idk if him saying he'd kill me today is wolfy or not"
i outed the read before i saw the claim because of the way he was pushing in places that would probably be detrimental to him as wolf and making outlandish reads (at least fmpov) i associate more with his village game
how's he been wolfy?

[alexa]

thanks for isos!