Baby Mafia (TOWN WIN)

[Gavial]

@Wisp
@Gira

If either of you are wolf just hammer and end.

[Gavial]

IDC

[Millium]

im not a wolf

[Gavial]

Btw if I was scum with Miz I’d never kill Falcon over Gira/Wisp.

[Gavial]

Falcon would definitely have voted Alison with me.

[Millium]

Current VC

Alison (2) - Mizery, Gavial
Mizery (1) - Alison

[Gavial]

im not a wolf

Ok then let me make this very clear.

It’s Alison and Gira or Miz and Me.


I’m not a wolf.
Therefore Miz isn’t a wolf.

Therefore Alison and Gira is a wolf.



I also have to get back to work now, take your time and think this through, thank you!

[Alison]

I have a foolproof case for why I am town but I am waiting for Gira to check in before posting it so I don't look like a fool postgame if he is scum

[Millium]

well this is F5 - F3 all in one
since Miz/Gavial, and Alison/Gira
are the only two possible combinations now

[Millium]

I think? thats how it works

[Millium]

Mizery needs to do something, there is 0 chance I vote Alison here
if Mizery doesn't at least attempt to play the game today

[Millium]

I also dont think Tess casing Gira the way they did makes them not w/w
despite what he believes

I mean a wolf team of Gira/Alison/Tess, would certainly be able to manipulate the game state

[Millium]

not like it would take much with my inexperience on a new site, and Mizery being Mizery

[Mizery]

noting that mizery's reaction to being voted in lylo is to act confused then dip

It's called Mizery was at work

Bad Post, Friend

[Mizery]

If you all are gonna just troll the game then I'm not gonna take it seriously any more. From now on my votes are only going on people who quickhammered/allowed scum to quickhammer.

@Mizery
@Wisp

That means you two. If you're town, then you're going to lose and I'm not gonna care because you guys want to lose as far as I'm concerned.

I like the lack of care here
this whole post really
a great post that allows you to vote on two of the probably easiest people to vote on and encourage others to do so too tbh

[Mizery]

Why can't wisp be scum with Alison

[Mizery]

Why can't wisp be scum with Alison

@Gavial

[Millium]

well I can be, but from my PoV its you/Gav
or Alison/Gira

[Mizery]

Alison is going that type of AtE that I really hate

[Mizery]

yes i did vote alison before reading her posts no i do not take criticism

[Mizery]

i know i've been afk a lot but does mizery really have almost twice as many posts as me despite doing like nothing to my recollection

yes, most of the previous day and even the day before, just felt like forced trolling

none of my trolling is forced, sorry

[Millium]

yes i did vote alison before reading her posts no i do not take criticism

well u have no choice but to vote her, today
that's nothing really against u
I think Gira's point is that it sounds very "stilted" or something of the sort

[Millium]

i know i've been afk a lot but does mizery really have almost twice as many posts as me despite doing like nothing to my recollection

yes, most of the previous day and even the day before, just felt like forced trolling

none of my trolling is forced, sorry

maybe, its still somewhat hard for to say
I think this would be totally different F5 if u didn't spend the past day phases not taking the game at least somewhat seriously

[Millium]

I still find it hard to believe that a team of Mizery/Gavial/Tess, somehow managed to control this whole game

[Mizery]

i know i've been afk a lot but does mizery really have almost twice as many posts as me despite doing like nothing to my recollection

yes, most of the previous day and even the day before, just felt like forced trolling

none of my trolling is forced, sorry

maybe, its still somewhat hard for to say
I think this would be totally different F5 if u didn't spend the past day phases not taking the game at least somewhat seriously

I try

but

I'm not sure honestly

I'm just generally LHF no matter what I do or try, see my ML record-

It's not like I trolled all those games, even when i tryhard i get MLd usually, I'm honestly not sure at this point that theres much else I can currently do to be less LHF

So I think the reasoning Alison used to go on me was an easy choice but also there probably would have been something easily twisted no matter what idk

[Mizery]

I am definitely still caught on Ender's thoughts last day

[Millium]

like man there is no agenda in Mizery's posts

[Millium]

Because he was trolling the thread like crazy? Every page was just him AtEing and yelling, he hard griefed EOD1 as a townie, etc. He also said stuff that implied scum TMI twice for no reason.

He contributed nothing to the town and was an actively hostile and malignant force towards us. After the way D1 went I knew he had to go and D2 sealed the deal.

I'd be less harsh but do kinda agree, just wanted to know why you thought so

mizery if you don't say who you think is a wolf I'm just going to assume you're one

I think I'm a wolf

I don't.

then who do you think is a wolf

You. :^)

And 2 of Gira/Wisp/Alison.

The rest I have reasons to townread.

But I still need to actually ISO for links. That happens after work tho, so not now.

didn't you say that you don't think I'm partnered with gira? What changed

I don't think you are partnered.

But I also need to verify that before I hard unpair you.

And Wisp is making me doubt scumreading them.

Falcon isn't scum.

Gavial isn't scum.

DrWilgy is uncceed and isn't scum.

And I townread Miz.

That leaves the four of you.

[Millium]

how did i grabbed that tess post
I meant to grab the post where Ender said
"No matter what, flip Alison next"

[Millium]

also I kinda promised Lime Coke I wouldn't let that slot live...
from my PoV Alison buried Lime Coke a town, but also almost buried me, a town as well
and then shading us for the Dizzy flip without even knowing if Mizery is a wolf or not, still pretty yuck

and I understand not all players tend to solve or play like you would expect an average town player
but its your job as town to work around that,

Alison this game has felt more like a bronze player in league, blaming everyone else for why they can't win
and that's never how you win the game

[Mizery]

I had a post and then i clicked view new post and now it's gone

[Alison]

I am back

I'm just gonna give my case

I am not partnered with Gira because of our fight on D1

Go read through it and if you still want to make a stupid vote you can go ahead

[Millium]

Im waiting to see what Gira does

[Alison]

also I kinda promised Lime Coke I wouldn't let that slot live...
from my PoV Alison buried Lime Coke a town, but also almost buried me, a town as well
and then shading us for the Dizzy flip without even knowing if Mizery is a wolf or not, still pretty yuck

and I understand not all players tend to solve or play like you would expect an average town player
but its your job as town to work around that,

Alison this game has felt more like a bronze player in league, blaming everyone else for why they can't win
and that's never how you win the game

This is the worst summary of my play I have ever seen. Imagine watching me get griefed 3 times in a row and saying I'm the bronze player.

I have no regrets pushing LC and you. You two were acting scummy as fuck and deserved to be pushed.

Thank you for lifting a burden off my shoulders. I was worried you would vote wrong but now I have decided that I'm equally happy with either outcome.

[Mizery]

It was basically a longer version of me saying

someone said that Alison has shown that she will re eval-

I see the "There is 1 new post in this topic" but I'm not going to hit it this time.

no.

anyways, I haven't seen that. I thought that it would show but imo it hasn't. she went after me D1, felt like she backed off when it looked like I would be a good person to take to a F5/7 with tess and be easily manipulatable by tess
LC who she didn't ever-

it's at 3 new posts now

LC who when he flipped town, she was just like "he deserved it anyways"

generally has just been playing a lot of AtE this game and it's the kind of subtle AtE (ish) that I really don't like. The whole "You guys are gamethrowing" type of AtE that makes you feel like shit

[Millium]

at this point I dont care
Losing or winning this game
an experience is an experience

from my PoV you are not how I think an "Experienced Player" should handle the game
also I very much dislike shading dead townies

anyways, put that case for Mizery out

[Alison]

When I play bad I admit it. I have destroyed many games with bad tunnels and I have been fully honest and objective about admitting that I was the main cause of town's loss that game.

I do not accept that this game. You guys have intentionally done things that were -EV to town for NO REASON. If we are making League comparisons it is on par with running it down mid. There is absolutely no advantage and it can only be used to troll your own team.

[Alison]

It was basically a longer version of me saying

someone said that Alison has shown that she will re eval-

I see the "There is 1 new post in this topic" but I'm not going to hit it this time.

no.

anyways, I haven't seen that. I thought that it would show but imo it hasn't. she went after me D1, felt like she backed off when it looked like I would be a good person to take to a F5/7 with tess and be easily manipulatable by tess
LC who she didn't ever-

it's at 3 new posts now

LC who when he flipped town, she was just like "he deserved it anyways"

generally has just been playing a lot of AtE this game and it's the kind of subtle AtE (ish) that I really don't like. The whole "You guys are gamethrowing" type of AtE that makes you feel like shit

For the record this is not AtE.

AtE is when you try to convince people you are town by making them feel bad for voting you.

[Millium]

for the record, AtE is not wolfy
lets just get that straight here, everything is contextual, even if you hate it

[Alison]

at this point I dont care
Losing or winning this game
an experience is an experience

from my PoV you are not how I think an "Experienced Player" should handle the game
also I very much dislike shading dead townies

anyways, put that case for Mizery out

I've put the case out. My case is that Mizery is scum the team isn't Alison/Gira and the D1 interactions prove it's not Alison/Gira.

If you choose to vote someone who has done literally nothing except vote with Tess all game AND who quickhammered on D3 over the pair that is hard unpartnered from D1 because your ego is enormous and you cannot handle me telling you that it was a bad idea to quickhammer 15 minutes into the day then go ahead.

[Millium]

Well AtE is technically wolfy
correction: Not everyone emotion is appealing, is closer to what I want to convey

[Alison]

for the record, AtE is not wolfy
lets just get that straight here, everything is contextual, even if you hate it

It is inherently wolfy because anyone with a good argument would give the argument instead of spewing emotion everywhere. Town do it sometimes but all townies do wolfy things sometimes. It is never good for the town and it is never a good argument.

[Alison]

Well AtE is technically wolfy
correction: Not everyone emotion is appealing, is closer to what I want to convey

Better.

[Millium]

i lost a lylo already for voting the player that did nothing
to a player that was just shading playstyles

Gira has done jack shit, and unaligned is not exactly the most telling thing

[Alison]

yeah you're right

mizery has done something

mizery quickhammered the parity cop

[Millium]

yeah you're right

mizery has done something

mizery quickhammered the parity cop

no, Tess did that
wolf!Mizery's play there makes zero sense to me

[Mizery]

for the record, AtE is not wolfy
lets just get that straight here, everything is contextual, even if you hate it

I consider this to be AtE and this to be wolfy

sure don't call it ate, I understood it to be "Appeal to Emotion" and in my book that's a larger umbrella than nothing

AtE isn't inheritly wolfy no but when your voting reasons are all for things like that I don't think it looks good.

[Alison]

yeah you're right

mizery has done something

mizery quickhammered the parity cop

no, Tess did that
wolf!Mizery's play there makes zero sense to me

Putting Ender at L-1 is equivalent to hammering him because Tess' vote was off him. Don't be dense.

[Mizery]

anyways, put that case for Mizery out

hype hype

[Millium]

ya and I accidently put him at L1 too, before I realized my mistake
Mizery voting again to put him in hammer range, makes more sense, then them trying to hammer
the latter does them zero favors
but I guess they could just go back to being aloof