Everyone's JOATED: Guillo's Roles (Town Wins)

[listo95]

Okay my EoD vote look:

Mansnicks: HK, Honey, Scotty, GG, Ender, Michelle, Lime, Dolby
Ender: Mac, Alison, Nanook, Flea
HK: TH, Falcon, Seanzie, Mansnicks
Lost: Osie
Scotty: Creature
Nanook: Listo

In terms of the Mans train I find wolves try to avoid the start and end which gives town cred to HK, Honey, Lime, Dolby in my eyes. That would have put Scotty, GG, Ender, and Michelle in the parts of the train wolves like to hide in but with Michelle flipping wolf I find it unlikely Ender is a wolf also so if there are more wolves on that train my bet would be it is either Scotty or GG.
Somewhere else wolves like to hide especially if its a train that will be on a townie is they want to be far away so they can say something like "I have a wonderful vote record!" later in the game.
On the Ender train Mac and Alison stayed there for a long time so they don't appear to be trying to avoid the Mans train so they get slight trust, Nanook just seemed to be sheeping people without his own thought process so slight wolf there. Something else for Nanook is with how I'm reading their posts and my gut I just do get a wolf feel from them. Flea also did a sheep vote onto here following Alison's word so I would put that at slight wolf.
For the HK train looking at TH I get the feeling they are town from their posts based on the previous games I've seen of them. Seanzie was definitely not avoiding the Mans train so slight town I would say.
On Lost Monkey vote from Osie I like the post they did it from and how they came to the conclusion so I will put slight town here.
Now for Creature, I do find it weird how near end of day they switched to Scotty from Mans giving no reasoning. I'd place them as slightly suspect.
For the Nanook vote I know I am the towniest town there is!

From this alone I would say my biggest PoE would include Scotty, GG, Nanook, and Flea.

[honey]

i like your analysis listo i will say flea and michelle did not seem partnered from their interactions and idk michelle voting to keep mansnicks wagon larger than enders doesnt look great to me considering if she was just going for a mis hammer and mansnicks and ender were both mishammerable in that day - ender had much more presence than mansnicks and would have been a more optimal ml if both wagons were town

[hollowkatt]

that's true scotty has the legal right to know the charges heinous charges filed against him

stop role fishing or youre going to take scotty's place

we're gonna chop tsp today regardless, trust me

if tsp is maf u might get some trust

he's red checked

[hollowkatt]

we're not chopping tsp I might even 100/wall post to stop it but I'd prefer not to because I don't like big games with a lot of people I don't know

please 100/wall post, I live for spew analysis

[honey]

plus if me and alison are both town and tunneling each other she could just blame the mishammer on ender on alison too or maybe she was trying to blame it on me and pocket alison idk actually

[honey]

that's true scotty has the legal right to know the charges heinous charges filed against him

stop role fishing or youre going to take scotty's place

we're gonna chop tsp today regardless, trust me

if tsp is maf u might get some trust

he's red checked

hardclaimed? no takesies backsies? if so i'm be all over it

[Flea the Magician]

Katt, give me a reason to trust you, and you will have my vote.

[hollowkatt]

Should we be voting alison for NK immunity if she's kidnapped?

She can't speak so she's an easy target.
Why did you vote MacDougall and yourself?

Why would I not vote myself for NK immunity? c'mon, that's a bad question
I town read mac. It started yesterday as a joke b/c I voted him for NK immunity before he'd posted. I kept it there after he started posting.

It's not a bad question. Do you actually think that, with people scum reading you, you're a likely NK target? And why?

You gonna ask seanzie why he's voting himself? how about Flea? Nanook?
No? You're not? Then stop asking me. It's stupid.

Of course I'm going to vote myself for NK immunity, not doing so is stupid.

Alternatively, protect the town leaders and in the futured, anyone who is hardcleared.

yeah, like myself. I fail to see how this is hard for anyone to understand.
I also don't see seanzie, you, or nanook being called out for voting themselves NK immunity, so why me?
Why the focus on me?
What makes it "weird" that I'm voting myself immune but doesn't make it weird for anyone else.

This is something I just don't understand.
Michelle speaks of a weird/weak wolf read on me, flips red. TSP is red checked but keeps snarking at me like I'm a wolf. You think I'm wolfing, Gnome doesn't understand why I'd vote myself immune.

Like none of this makes any fucking sense to me.

[Flea the Magician]

I changed my vote yesterday to be Alison and Honey, the one on me is a placeholder, nothing more.

[Guillotine]

[hollowkatt]

that's true scotty has the legal right to know the charges heinous charges filed against him

stop role fishing or youre going to take scotty's place

we're gonna chop tsp today regardless, trust me

if tsp is maf u might get some trust

he's red checked

hardclaimed? no takesies backsies? if so i'm be all over it

bruh, there's soup at play. ain't nobody dumb enough to hardclaim shite

Katt, give me a reason to trust you, and you will have my vote.

I correctly called out Michelle as a wolf D1 off of literally nothing but how she was treating me and I was right.

Ultimately idgaf if you "trust" me or not. I'm chopping TSP today or I'm dying trying

[honey]

sowwy guillo ik u just posted vc
[VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine

also i figured out the bad thing that happened to me but i wont draw attention to it because i dont want it to happen again

[honey]

that's true scotty has the legal right to know the charges heinous charges filed against him

stop role fishing or youre going to take scotty's place

we're gonna chop tsp today regardless, trust me

if tsp is maf u might get some trust

he's red checked

hardclaimed? no takesies backsies? if so i'm be all over it

bruh, there's soup at play. ain't nobody dumb enough to hardclaim shite

that's why im like 0.0?? why would someone claim that at all instead of just discreetly pushing on them

[honey]

tsp doesn't have the thread presence r n to require redchecking them to get them voted out ngl

[honey]

actually this red check feels kinda sus but tsp isnt defending themself which is also sus and i'm not going to defend someone who could be wolf so i'll zip it for now

[TonyStarkPrime]

actually this red check feels kinda sus but tsp isnt defending themself which is also sus and i'm not going to defend someone who could be wolf so i'll zip it for now

the hell i am too defending myself

[honey]

i wanna see tsp 100 post..

[listo95]

i like your analysis listo i will say flea and michelle did not seem partnered from their interactions and idk michelle voting to keep mansnicks wagon larger than enders doesnt look great to me considering if she was just going for a mis hammer and mansnicks and ender were both mishammerable in that day - ender had much more presence than mansnicks and would have been a more optimal ml if both wagons were town

That is a good point, my logic for Ender not being a wolf is I highly doubt on D1 2 wolves would vote right next to each other on a miselim.

[hollowkatt]

townies:
me - of course I top my own list. That sus to you Gnome?
alison - Obvs town is obvs
dolby - I think when he's posting he's posting insightful things that make sense and tries to drive the thread forward
seanzie - Seems to be outside of his wolf range to me
mac - Gut feeling
honey - Obvs town is obvs
ender - I think the way he handled the run up to EOD yesterday was really townie, even when he was being wagoned. Doubt he's a wolf here
th - This one is kinda iffy, didn't like their early posts from D1 but as the game went on they got better, and their solving towards the end of the day seems alright to me
nanook - Paranoia over michelle flip being false I don't think ever comes from a wolf.
scotty - This is just gut, but also I like how they reacted to the Prosecutor, and they kept working. Seems legit to me

that leaves, in no particular order:

lime - No real reason to town read here
creature - He's playing exactly like avatar and if there's someone in this list that belongs in the town bucket it's probably creature. I just can't shake "apathy = hiding"
osie - they're playing, apparently? Nothing to remember or remark about here
flea - Could move flea into town but they way they keep circling suspicion back to me does make me think they have an agenda. Like I was a leading wagon for some time yesterday so maybe wolf?flea wants to keep that push going. IF they're a wolf one of their partners is someone who's at least somewhat familiar with me. TSP probs
gnome - Definitely do not like how they're concerned I'm self-voting for NK protection but aren't complaining about literally anyone else who is self-voting for protection. Like this isn't rocket science people.
lomo - also mostly falling into the "they are playing in this game" bucket.
listo - I don't think I can recall any of their posts.

red checks:
tsp

like we chop tsp today, protect our townies, and I think if we start pushing through my "that leaves" list we're gonna win

[honey]

i like your analysis listo i will say flea and michelle did not seem partnered from their interactions and idk michelle voting to keep mansnicks wagon larger than enders doesnt look great to me considering if she was just going for a mis hammer and mansnicks and ender were both mishammerable in that day - ender had much more presence than mansnicks and would have been a more optimal ml if both wagons were town

That is a good point, my logic for Ender not being a wolf is I highly doubt on D1 2 wolves would vote right next to each other on a miselim.

yea i see them avoiding it too but i just keep thinking mansnick's wagon grew so fast to avoid a different elimination

[hollowkatt]

Okay my EoD vote look:

Mansnicks: HK, Honey, Scotty, GG, Ender, Michelle, Lime, Dolby
Ender: Mac, Alison, Nanook, Flea
HK: TH, Falcon, Seanzie, Mansnicks
Lost: Osie
Scotty: Creature
Nanook: Listo

In terms of the Mans train I find wolves try to avoid the start and end which gives town cred to HK, Honey, Lime, Dolby in my eyes. That would have put Scotty, GG, Ender, and Michelle in the parts of the train wolves like to hide in but with Michelle flipping wolf I find it unlikely Ender is a wolf also so if there are more wolves on that train my bet would be it is either Scotty or GG.
Somewhere else wolves like to hide especially if its a train that will be on a townie is they want to be far away so they can say something like "I have a wonderful vote record!" later in the game.
On the Ender train Mac and Alison stayed there for a long time so they don't appear to be trying to avoid the Mans train so they get slight trust, Nanook just seemed to be sheeping people without his own thought process so slight wolf there. Something else for Nanook is with how I'm reading their posts and my gut I just do get a wolf feel from them. Flea also did a sheep vote onto here following Alison's word so I would put that at slight wolf.
For the HK train looking at TH I get the feeling they are town from their posts based on the previous games I've seen of them. Seanzie was definitely not avoiding the Mans train so slight town I would say.
On Lost Monkey vote from Osie I like the post they did it from and how they came to the conclusion so I will put slight town here.
Now for Creature, I do find it weird how near end of day they switched to Scotty from Mans giving no reasoning. I'd place them as slightly suspect.
For the Nanook vote I know I am the towniest town there is!

From this alone I would say my biggest PoE would include Scotty, GG, Nanook, and Flea.

move you into the town bucket, cool. That's one less to worry about today

[hollowkatt]

actually this red check feels kinda sus but tsp isnt defending themself which is also sus and i'm not going to defend someone who could be wolf so i'll zip it for now

the hell i am too defending myself

if by defending yourself you mean snarking at me then sure ;-)

[TonyStarkPrime]

well you're not attacking me

[Seanzie]

@TonyStarkPrime, what are your thoughts on Scotty?

[Flea the Magician]

Now THATS the Fire II I wanted to see.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

[MacDougall]

good lord I got some prezzies

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall Good news?

alright you can be town

[MacDougall]

Pretty much got spewed town by michelle. Also osb guy should be scum as well.

doesn't the Michelle flip indicate she was town?

[MacDougall]

I've actually read the flips now lol

Maybe you guys should too

Michelle may still be mafia given falcons role, but its not a sure thing

I don't see what Falcon's role has to do with this?

Even though Michelle flipped Replicator, which is a bastard role that makes it hard to figure out what Michelle truly was, based on the info, it seems very likely Michelle was was indeed mafia.

Are you talking about Michelle having post-mortem powers?

what info? I missed a lot here

[MacDougall]

if you guys really aren't confident in falcon being a nk its possible the nk was somehow blocked / stopped in some way

huh

[MacDougall]

Is there...any reason not to take the free kill...or...?

If that will help you solve the game I guess.

Really sucks for me tho.

Until then, ima keep hunting

I mean like if you keep hunting and seem towny doing it then probably killing you is bad. Gonna pull my vote off of you while you solve. We have a while as it doesn't seem there's a deadline there.
[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

you just innocent voted him

[MacDougall]

I mean the only time we don't kill scotty today is if we're gonna clear him for the rest of the game

we definitely kill him

[MacDougall]

Lime Coke no mention of Michele.

As a side note, skimming his ISO reveals a deep picketing of honey, his attempt to go on the defensive from a bombarding falcon who apparently was breathing down his throat all D1, and this line: “This game I feel like my posts have been fine. So seeing votes on me has me questioning why the hell I'm being voted and people are trying to bring attention to me when I'm towny.”

That quote sounds like a guy who doesn’t like heat for no reason, and is- in writing- trying to play appear “fine”.

I bump Lime up to scum read.

now you sound townie as fuck

[MacDougall]

hk and ender equal c/w two dead town out of 4 voters on hk at least one wolf on mansnicks.

Wagonomics heavily implies that HK is a wolf here. Ender sus also. And mafia stacking on mansnicks.

[MacDougall]

ironically enough the mansnicks wagon is a who's who of people I wanted to kill d1.

[MacDougall]

Ender wagon is at least 3 town and probably 4. HK wagon is just 4 town cuz Seanzie and TH are both town.

They are both likely just mafia.

[Seanzie]

hk and ender equal c/w two dead town out of 4 voters on hk at least one wolf on mansnicks.

Wagonomics heavily implies that HK is a wolf here. Ender sus also. And mafia stacking on mansnicks.

HK has been pretty towny on play today and has claimed a redcheck.

[MacDougall]

hk and ender equal c/w two dead town out of 4 voters on hk at least one wolf on mansnicks.

Wagonomics heavily implies that HK is a wolf here. Ender sus also. And mafia stacking on mansnicks.

HK has been pretty towny on play today and has claimed a redcheck.

You are not wrong about that. But wagonomics this strong is usually just correct.

[MacDougall]

You've got Michelle wolf voting for mansnicks over a potential mischop of ender or HK to look at also. Like if the wolves had a choice there why not just mischop a strong player?

[hollowkatt]

hk and ender equal c/w two dead town out of 4 voters on hk at least one wolf on mansnicks.

Wagonomics heavily implies that HK is a wolf here. Ender sus also. And mafia stacking on mansnicks.

HK has been pretty towny on play today and has claimed a redcheck.

You are not wrong about that. But wagonomics this strong is usually just correct.

Just sheep me for great glory

[MacDougall]

If HK is town then he has 2-4 town voting him at eod day 1 and the mafia don't try to take advantage of that and remove a strong player?

[hollowkatt]

You've got Michelle wolf voting for mansnicks over a potential mischop of ender or HK to look at also. Like if the wolves had a choice there why not just mischop a strong player?

the obvs answer is they keep me around to push again today. Look at the weak sauce pushes from Flea continuing the read he fleshed out in conversation with Michelle yesterday

[MacDougall]

You've got Michelle wolf voting for mansnicks over a potential mischop of ender or HK to look at also. Like if the wolves had a choice there why not just mischop a strong player?

the obvs answer is they keep me around to push again today. Look at the weak sauce pushes from Flea continuing the read he fleshed out in conversation with Michelle yesterday

flea literally just gave you his vote

[hollowkatt]

If HK is town then he has 2-4 town voting him at eod day 1 and the mafia don't try to take advantage of that and remove a strong player?

shh, that's part of the reason I have most of the people who know me in my town bucket. Like pretty convinced my town bucket is accurate, and michelle/tsp are the only people on the wolf team who are familiar with me

[hollowkatt]

You've got Michelle wolf voting for mansnicks over a potential mischop of ender or HK to look at also. Like if the wolves had a choice there why not just mischop a strong player?

the obvs answer is they keep me around to push again today. Look at the weak sauce pushes from Flea continuing the read he fleshed out in conversation with Michelle yesterday

flea literally just gave you his vote

lol I didn't see that

[MacDougall]

Michelle opens with a HK vote based on nothing. Awkwardly pulls it off citing an Alison town read. Very scum teammate stuff.

If Michelle is a wolf I'll clear a ton of people from her POE. Creature cleared, TH cleared already

[MacDougall]

Alison has good reads as both alignaments (hint from Jay in other game) so if she says HK is town, i will trust her and move my vote.

[VOTE: Osie] aubergine
Come play sir!

this is prototype scum moving their distancing vote shit

[TripleHaven]

I can't read everything since day start right now but why did falcon die? weren't they a wagon on d1? I expected one of me alison or mac to die since they were tred as 'town leaders' and i was tred for being adorable and i've been thinking about the implications accordingly

Also did not expect everyone to bw mansnicks after i voted him i @'d him to come talk but ngl even i had woken up in time he didnt put up a passionate enough defense to probably make me change my mind i just think it's very sus how there were 3 different top wagons other than mans, i vote mansnicks and then within a 9 hour period he becomes overwhelmingly the top wagon

Also something bad happened to me last night if anyone knows anything about that .. come forward or else

Did it trigger?

[MacDougall]

ok time to mafia

Starting to read, i like this post a lot. It's not AI, but it has WIM.

I will try to catch up asap

Counterpoint this is not team indicative. Pockety.

[Creature]

Okay I'm fine doing TSP today.