Everyone's JOATED: Guillo's Roles (Town Wins)

[Alison]

Since no one is pressuring Falcon with me:
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Because weird push on me and honestly best counterwagon.

HK's irritability feels v to me.

Nice no u
“Best counterwagon”

That counterwagon’s a lemon and won’t drive you up the hill my man.

Not W/W

[EnderWiggin]

ok back to ender I go then

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

People really letting Scotty get away with this?

[Alison]

This wagon on HK gives me ulcers. I don't think Seanzie is scum but TH and Falcon might be.

[Michelle]

Took the idea from Mac and copy pasted the OP list
Probably the postnumber is wrong because while writing this, people posted more

1. @lost monkey ISO - 17 posts, TRs on Mansnicks and Honey, fos on Ender and Osie, low content, wolf material imo
2. @MacDougall ISO - 86 posts, gives free reads, in the thread's flow, always reconsidering. Town like 75%
3. @falcon45ca ISO — 58 posts, i feel him weaker than in other games, it's like half of himself from the town games i remember. Lowest part of the null
4. @hollowkatt ISO -77 p, can go either way, leaning town though because of a tone who remembers me of his strong town games
5. @Lime Coke ISO - 59 p, he has an attitude who doesn't benefit scum, so I think he may be villager
6. @Flea the Magician ISO - 18 p, feels like a lazy town, but i can't put him above null rn, i would like him to post more, and to give some inputs
7. @ NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME ISO - 10 p, null and so away from his meta, idk what to say
8. @Alison ISO - 69 p, analising everyone, looks like town Alison
9. @Michelle ISO - 49 posts, still trying to catch up some parts of the thread
10. @EnderWiggin ISO - 92 p, trending up, but had a very wolfy start imo
11. @TripleHaven ISO - 20 p, town meta
12. @Dolby ISO - 27 p, dunno, his vote on Scotty without reading Iso looks bad, probably scum indicative?
13. @Scotty ISO - 60 p, his wagon makes me think he js just villager, leaning him town by logic. I am a scummy townie myself so

Going to continue later, i have some work to do
14. @Garden Gnome ISO
15. @honey ISO
16. @Creature ISO
17. @Seanzie ISO
18. @listo95 ISO
19. @mansnicks ISO
20. @TonyStarkPrime ISO
21. @osieorb18 ISO

[Alison]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I havent read. just going on my strongest gut rn.

Thank you for clearing yourself.

[MacDougall]

we could try something new and actually flip Nanook for not doing anything d1?

[EnderWiggin]

we could try something new and actually flip Nanook for not doing anything d1?

Hard refuse.

Just shoot him in the night like a proper JOAT.

[Alison]

I do like my Ender, Scotty and Dolby wolf leans tbh. We should just line those three up against the wall.

Haven't felt much from Dolby. I got pinged by Scotty shaded you and then recanted it and went "I didn't mean anything, I know this is how Mac acts every game, I just think it's bad play" when I felt like he was pretty clearly trying to express suspicion on you.

mansnicks was all lol the Scotty wagon bad and is now yapping on about dumb reads and just generally appears to be a woof

think derptown rather than wolf

his early tunnel on dolby felt in a similar vein and I think it was made in good faith

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I havent read. just going on my strongest gut rn.

Thank you for clearing yourself.

I kinda agree with this Alison read.

[Scotty]

ok back to ender I go then

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

People really letting Scotty get away with this?

Get away with voting you like I was the last 24 hours?
Remember, you’re the one that jumped on me to tie up the wagons

[Scotty]

This wagon on HK gives me ulcers. I don't think Seanzie is scum but TH and Falcon might be.

If you vote for Triple I will as well Alison.

[Alison]

Not over Ender. TH hasn't done anything suspicious other than the bad wagon on HK and it's pretty disastrous if they flip town.

[Scotty]

we could try something new and actually flip Nanook for not doing anything d1?

Hard refuse.

Just shoot him in the night like a proper JOAT.

Ender, we can’t shoot them all. Unless we have 8 vig’s which ok..:I guess isn’t out of the question in this game

I feel like I’m in crazy town. Is it so weird to want to kill a slanker D1? Why is that against town’s best interest?

[Alison]

Nanook slanks every D1 regardless of alignment.

I don't get why you've repping a strong scumread on Ender but keep trying to suggest wagons on random slankers over him.

[Scotty]

Not over Ender. TH hasn't done anything suspicious other than the bad wagon on HK and it's pretty disastrous if they flip town.

Mmmmmm
Ok



I feel like I’ve received a breakthrough.

You’re right.

If we flip a slanker D1, they turn town, what have we learned from the big talkers? Nothing.

Ok

[MacDougall]

Nanook slanks every D1 regardless of alignment.

I don't get why you've repping a strong scumread on Ender but keep trying to suggest wagons on random slankers over him.

good read

[Michelle]

ok back to ender I go then

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

People really letting Scotty get away with this?

self pressing is nai

[Scotty]

ok back to ender I go then

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

People really letting Scotty get away with this?

self pressing is nai

Yo
Ender’s vote for me was self preservation, not the other way around

[Michelle]

kind reminder, Triple haven plays in town meta

[Alison]

kind reminder, Triple haven plays in town meta

What is their town meta?

[Michelle]

listo has had 2 posts where he hasn't talked exclusively about himself - and both those posts have been suspicious to some people.
The way I see it, 100% of that slot's content is scum indicative? Because the other 83% of his posts were justifying himself.

Don't get me wrong, he might as well be overwhelmed town. But objectively that slot is just wolfy.

I know that all players are biased in the sense that lynching a slot like that feels lazy and like not playing the game.
But I hope people will consider this lynch.
[VOTE: Listo95] aubergine

Finally, something I can get behind.

[VOTE: Listo95] aubergine

what about this read Scotty? What makes Ender's wagon better? The fact the wagon became bigger?

[Michelle]

kind reminder, Triple haven plays in town meta

What is their town meta?

low effort, giving and defending town reads, a certain idc-ish attitude, and unfortunately because this game prohibits claims we can't have the best of TH, her penchant for FPS

[Flea the Magician]

6. @Flea the Magician ISO - 18 p, feels like a lazy town, but i can't put him above null rn, i would like him to post more, and to give some inputs

they/them pronouns Thank you <3

[Scotty]

listo has had 2 posts where he hasn't talked exclusively about himself - and both those posts have been suspicious to some people.
The way I see it, 100% of that slot's content is scum indicative? Because the other 83% of his posts were justifying himself.

Don't get me wrong, he might as well be overwhelmed town. But objectively that slot is just wolfy.

I know that all players are biased in the sense that lynching a slot like that feels lazy and like not playing the game.
But I hope people will consider this lynch.
[VOTE: Listo95] aubergine

Finally, something I can get behind.

[VOTE: Listo95] aubergine

what about this read Scotty? What makes Ender's wagon better? The fact the wagon became bigger?

I had a come to Jesus moment and when I got there he said I’ve been a dumbass and should stick with a D1 lynch based on quality of content and not quantity

Also what? That vote actually made ender’s wagon smaller

[EnderWiggin]

Not over Ender. TH hasn't done anything suspicious other than the bad wagon on HK and it's pretty disastrous if they flip town.

Mmmmmm
Ok



I feel like I’ve received a breakthrough.

You’re right.

If we flip a slanker D1, they turn town, what have we learned from the big talkers? Nothing.

Ok

Congrats, you've finally caught up to my reasons.

[Scotty]

Not over Ender. TH hasn't done anything suspicious other than the bad wagon on HK and it's pretty disastrous if they flip town.

Mmmmmm
Ok



I feel like I’ve received a breakthrough.

You’re right.

If we flip a slanker D1, they turn town, what have we learned from the big talkers? Nothing.

Ok

Congrats, you've finally caught up to my reasons.

[Scotty]

I don’t know if it’s hilarious or sad that Ender only has 3 more posts to talk about things before EoD.

Someone tell me why…I dunno…Seanzie is town to you?

[EnderWiggin]

Bleh, Scotty's incredulity is actually mildly towny.

[EnderWiggin]

listo has had 2 posts where he hasn't talked exclusively about himself - and both those posts have been suspicious to some people.
The way I see it, 100% of that slot's content is scum indicative? Because the other 83% of his posts were justifying himself.

Don't get me wrong, he might as well be overwhelmed town. But objectively that slot is just wolfy.

I know that all players are biased in the sense that lynching a slot like that feels lazy and like not playing the game.
But I hope people will consider this lynch.
[VOTE: Listo95] aubergine

Finally, something I can get behind.

[VOTE: Listo95] aubergine

what about this read Scotty? What makes Ender's wagon better? The fact the wagon became bigger?

Hey there. How do you feel that Alison is actually piggybacking off your early gutread to lead a wagon on me?

Side note: I just realised I got literally one more post after this one so holy crow I'm going to have to make this good. I'm going to point out how my pushes are kinda weaksauce, and I'm going to try creating a Legacy just in case people do decide to flip me.

FIRST, PEOPLE TO PAY ATTENTION TO:

Towny: < - Town do not retract
Lime Coke - Hard defense of Honey, playing aggro into suspicion while most wolves want to diffuse
Honey - Just towny play and early joke jumped on. Lots of people tried to scumread her for no reason. Keep an eye on the people that threw unnecessary fos at her.
Garden Gnome - Just pure inno child. Protect

Lightly towny:
HK - HK tends to be "irritated" when he's town. Not the exactly most accurate description but if you know it you know it.
osieorb - Good logic-y so far, I like their reaction/reads progression. Seems towny
Flea - No wolf would be so blatantly disregarding of threadstate.
Seanzie - Seanzie checking out.deck is very town!Seanzie. Maaaaaybe wide outfield wolfplay but I want to lean more town.
Dolby - His analysis is towngame so far. That being said he's still inside his wolf-meta so hedge your bets on this one bois
Michelle - Had this as lightly scummy BUT tending more town after last few interactions.

Deep Wolves: (Kinda towny but they have good earlygames as wolves)
Alison - I actually dislike almost all of Alison's takes. I had her towny but I'm starting to wonder if she's just scum trying to take control of discussion. If she's scum then I'd take a look at the wagons that she's directed away from.
Mac - Honestly feels very towny. I wanna hedge because he's a good player but I'm going to push more towards townsided.

IDK pile:
Creature - Null > Will resolve later > Fine Vig shot
Nanook - Null > Will resolve later > Fine Vig shot
LoMo - Null > Will resolve later > Fine Vig shot
^ If we have Vigs probably shoot in these 3 + Listo
TripleHaven - Weak reads to start then checked out. I felt the early reads were kinda genuine BUT the checking out makes me wonder if scum. I'mma put a big ass ? on this.
TSP - Who knows what will make TSP active. Try treats, maybe compliments.

Lightly scummy:
Scotty - Tending upwards tbh. Incredularity at people not liking afk lynches is weird for wolf. Lots of meh play though.
listo95 - AFKish that has had more scummy interactions than most. Highest on my shot list tbh.

Scummier:
Falcon - He's acting more agreeable/solvy than usual. Normal!Falcon is contrarian. Why has this guy skated by?????????
Mansnicks - I feel just bad about most of his posts. I forget what it was that got my initial scumread but I had one. There was some really bad post I recall reacting badly to. Check into my earlier posts and evaluate.
EnderWiggin - Obvscum.

SECOND:
IF Mac/Alison/Scotty has wolf in it then look closely at the Scotty situation. Maybe HK but I'm pretty sure HK is just in HK town meta. Seems like the opportunity to silence a stronger town-voice is just going strong.

Honestly Alison's jump off Michelle feels weird af.

@Scotty
See my text above. Seanzie checking out in thread and then finding himself back in there is very town!Seanzie. Scum!Seanzie is agreeable. Same as Scum!falcon.

If anyone else has questions I'll take questions for the next hour. Any questions asked will be answered in one big post for my final 100th post.

I will be happy to also vote Mansnicks/Falcon instead of Scotty. I will not vote HK.

[hollowkatt]

I'm all in on snicks being a wolf here

[osieorb18]

Okay here we go, ISO by ISO...

- Lost monkey bothers me; their posts feel like they come in media res, which is particularly bizarre when they're relatively low activity.

- MacDougall feels like they're sorting. I like the way they ask questions. The subtlety to some of their reads is a good look.

- Falcon continues to feel scummy AF. Not much more to say here.

- HK is a hard one for me here because I like a bunch of their posts, but then I get small wolfpings here and there and the paranoia just won't go away. I'm trusting my gut on this and going for a townlean, but it doesn't matter how I read them because I'm going to hate myself either way.

- Lime Coke reminds me of Zone Q11, but with a bit of newb!town purity to their posts. They feel like a player who has the experience to be great but at the same time, they play like a new player who has partially latched onto the bad idea that playing scummy is a solid strategy, and is partly just a foal, struggling to find their footing in a harsh world. I feel like they are an easy miselim and I want to see more from them before I see them eliminated.

- Flea is odd to me. Most of what I get out of them feels NAI, but I don't feel like they're actually just fluffing. I think I'll put them at null, tbh, to be PoE'd to Town or Scum later?

- Alison has way too much subtlety and material to her posts to be a wolf, IMO. Still want to hear answers to my questions to her, but otherwise feeling good here.

- Michelle can be a townlean for now. I didn't care for her start, but I've liked her posts a bit more as the game has gone on. Keeping an eye on her to avoid being pocketed again though.

- I think I would hard scumread EnderWiggin if not for feeling a huge degree of playstyle clash between me and them. As is, I still want to scumlean them, though. I'm kinda sussing a Wiggin-HK world but it's not a solid enough tinfoil at this point.

- TH is moving down to a townlean; some tinfoils on the lack of either quantity or quality to their posts despite some good early tone. Those tinfoils are getting stronger by the minute as I reread their ISO over and over so my read there might even drop further.

- Dolby is still a comfortable townlean. I wish I was getting a bit more out of them since I think they're one of the stronger players in this game despite the playerbase, but I like what I do see.

- The way Scotty responds to Alison in #471 feels really gross. "Oh, I made this post you don't like? Well, yeah, it's scummy, but I actually agree with what you were saying even though that contradicts the post that you just called me out for." Their ISO in general doesn't help matters; for a lot of the early game they'd either been playing defense or not really putting in the thought behind their small-ish handful of pokes and prods. I actually start to like a few of their later posts, but the posts I like just feel too interspersed with, for lack of a better word, garbage. [Insert sad kitten here]

- Garden Gnome... Strongest townread ever just for #544. (Just kidding.) I think I have to put them at Hard Null. I'm super conflicted on this slot; they've posted some good stuff, but their content just feels very ehh overall? Like, I'm not even meh on really much of their posts, just very . Hard fencesit, feels like. I kinda hate that I don't have a good read here.

- Honey just makes me feel old. They feel crazy pure. Like pure water pure. I'mma trust my heart on this. If honey is scum here, I feel like I could retire from mafia having seen the true face of a mafia god.

- Creature is one of those players that makes me forget that there's a human on the other end. I just don't feel like they are trying to play? I don't know why they're this disengaged, but I don't like it. I get a few townpings from a couple posts, so I'll leave them at a scumlean, but I think I need to see like a dozen of those to not push the hell out of them in D2/D3.

- Seanzie is just being too obnoxious to people to be scum, I feel. Like, they're drawing attention in a way that doesn't feel scum-motivated. If they disappear entirely, then meh, but for now, I'm putting them up to a townlean.

- Listo95 exists? Someone mentioned that they were spending a ton of time talking about themself and I definitely see that in their posts. They seem to be having a bad day regardless of their alignment, but I'm inclined to say they're just scum.

- mansnicks terrifies me... I think they have some good takes but its interspersed with some pretty terrible posting. It feels weird since I think of mansnicks as another one of the stronger players here... Feels almost lolcatty right now. I'mma leave them at null for toDay.

- I kinda feel like TSP is associatively scummy; they seem like they fit into a lot of worlds. But individually... I just don't like their playstyle. I don't know. They could still be town, I'm just like 2/3rds of the way there on a scumread.

%%%

Townreads:

Alison
honey
Lime Coke
MacDougall

Townleans:

Dolby
HK
Michelle
Seanzie
TH

Hard Null:

Flea the Magician
Garden Gnome
mansnicks
NANOOK

Scumleans:

Creature
EnderWiggin
TonyStarkPrime

Scumreads:

Falcon
listo95
lost monkey
Scotty

%%%
%%%

That is a list. Given the patterns of votes, I'm leaning a bit more towards Ender being town, but not enough to lose their individual scumlean. I'm happy with any of my scumreads or scumleans being eliminated, but I think we get the most info out of sticking with one of the current top wagons. Maybe Listo or LoMo are better eliminations though? LoMo in particular has some amount of interaction and is incredibly odd.

I'll move back to Scotty if necessary, but for the moment:

[VOTE: Lost Monkey] aubergine

@Michelle @MacDougall You two also had scumreads on LoMo, no?

[Scotty]

I’m down to sheep today. I agree with Ender that my play has been meh. I always suck at reading d1’s so I will cede to someone more qualified.

If there were a deep wolf on my radar it would be mansnicks. He’s currently the only person to want to protect me from NK (lol) and I find myself agreeing with most of his posts.

Which is probably a bad sign.

Ender, I’m not dead set in voting you today, but I can’t promise I will be around near end of day to fix it

[osieorb18]

And... I'm going to sleep but I'll try to be up in the next couple hours at some point.

[Garden Gnome]

we could try something new and actually flip Nanook for not doing anything d1?

That would be entertaining but he did say that he was going to be low effort on D1.

[Scotty]

we could try something new and actually flip Nanook for not doing anything d1?

That would be entertaining but he did say that he was going to be low effort on D1.

If I said I wanted to dress up as a villager for Halloween would you let me trick or treat?

[Scotty]

Ok ima switch to mansnicks

[VOTE: mansnicks] aubergine

[Garden Gnome]

we could try something new and actually flip Nanook for not doing anything d1?

That would be entertaining but he did say that he was going to be low effort on D1.

If I said I wanted to dress up as a villager for Halloween would you let me trick or treat?

Yes, but you actually have to put effort into trick or treating!

[Michelle]

6. @Flea the Magician ISO - 18 p, feels like a lazy town, but i can't put him above null rn, i would like him to post more, and to give some inputs

they/them pronouns Thank you <3

Sumimasen, i will try to keep it in mind. Playing on phone I can't see the pronouns part

Other than this, do you have any opinion about what i posted?

[Michelle]

ok, Osie is town like 95%

I have indeed Lost Monley as scum, let's see where this goes

[VOTE: Lost Monkey] aubergine

[hollowkatt]

ok, Osie is town like 95%

I have indeed Lost Monley as scum, let's see where this goes

[VOTE: Lost Monkey] aubergine

?? how do you get there

[Michelle]

I am well aware that Alison put me in the town pile with ease, and because I am strangely pocketed by her for the first time since we started to play together, I will consider this a sign and refuse paranoia until later in the game if i am alive and she is still around.
That was about someone who signaled that Alison's read for me is concerning or something like this.

14. @Garden Gnome ISO - 26 posts, can go either way, she has fun, she posts opinions, upper part of the null
15. @honey ISO - 87 p, towny
16. @Creature ISO - 24 p, scum vibes, maybe town but.. nah, he looks like scum
17. @Seanzie ISO - 36 p, i would swear Seanzie posted more. Townie vibes iirc
18. @listo95 ISO - 14 p, looks like low poster scum, but i was toasted before by this reasoning
19. @mansnicks ISO - 32 p, stirred the pot early and dipped. May be RL, may be something else. Keeping an eye on him
20. @TonyStarkPrime ISO - 23 p, i really don't know
21. @osieorb18 ISO - 42 p, he's town imo

I probably have too many TRs

[Michelle]

ok, Osie is town like 95%

I have indeed Lost Monley as scum, let's see where this goes

[VOTE: Lost Monkey] aubergine

?? how do you get there

an lhf who doesn't receive attention can be scum, right?

[Michelle]

@TonyStarkPrime give me your top 3 scum and top 3 town sir, I need them asap

[Michelle]

About day 1 wagons, the silence around them is concerning, if Scotty is wolf his mates are sleeping without much care.
I would say we can't hit a wolf (probably) by voting the top wagons, but being very early in the morning in US this is a weaker take than usual.

I can bet its at least one wolf in the no voters

Alison are you reading the game right? Michelle literally says she thinks we don't hit wolf in Scotty/HK/Me?

She sussed me earlier then we talked.

I mean I disagree with her there but anyway.

Who do you think can flip scum in the main wagons?

How come in a game with 21 players Eod is soooo quiet?

[Michelle]

I have to admit, though, for me is 4:20 PM while at NY is 9:20 am

Wake up America!!! Come play folks!

[Guillotine]

[hollowkatt]

ok, Osie is town like 95%

I have indeed Lost Monley as scum, let's see where this goes

[VOTE: Lost Monkey] aubergine

?? how do you get there

an lhf who doesn't receive attention can be scum, right?

sure, but what's the point of starting a vanity wagon with an hour or so left to go?
especially if you're not making a case, just throwing a "lets see what happens" vote

[hollowkatt]

I'm confident enough in my ender town snicks wolf read that I'm not moving. suck it

[Scotty]

Yea I’m no good at this but this hollowkatt leading wagon is not the move

[Michelle]

ok, Osie is town like 95%

I have indeed Lost Monley as scum, let's see where this goes

[VOTE: Lost Monkey] aubergine

?? how do you get there

an lhf who doesn't receive attention can be scum, right?

sure, but what's the point of starting a vanity wagon with an hour or so left to go?
especially if you're not making a case, just throwing a "lets see what happens" vote

The concept of CFD resides in a wagon formed in the last moments of a day
If not now, when should i start a cv?

What do you want me to do?