AtLA post-game (mafia win)

[NotAnAxehole]

I picked Dana because of the post-mortem role.

[NotAnAxehole]

So we kill axe today correct?

Not sure. I don't want another mislynch.

You don't want another mislynch, eh? Are you sure about that? Cuz you sound very convinced

I am entitled to live!

[Guillotine]

So really, yesterday is on you guys, not me.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

You are either scum or a game thrower, i dont want you in this game.

Im parking on you, see you guys the next day.

[NotAnAxehole]

So really, yesterday is on you guys, not me.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

You are either scum or a game thrower, i dont want you in this game.

Im parking on you, see you guys the next day.

How is it game throwing to force town to vote on your read? It was incorrect and yeah, people don't like fake checks, but it isn't game throwing.

I fucked up, but yeah, don't tell me you thought Dana was doing anything other than lolcating... That's what everyone except for the scum team would have perceived because she wasn't being towny. So no I don't see how that flipping town makes me an automatic target.

I made a play, it didn't work. Get over it and let's get scum today.

[NotAnAxehole]

I actually don't think I'm dying today, but having a triggered towny vote me isn't helping us kill scum.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Guillotine

[Jackofhearts2005]

Btw, assuming I survive the day, if you have a night action you think isn’t that useful, you could target me with it and it might become more useful. Js. I figure that’s not enough info to get souped.

Also in the night, @Jackofhearts2005 has been poisoned and will die at eod if not healed.

Not exactly what I meant.

@Dana

Plz halp

[Jackofhearts2005]

I've had a beyond terrible night. Hope this does something fun

Yesterday was fun, so I don't see why today would be any different.

Lol ffs

[Jackofhearts2005]

Seems weird tbh

I'm a role cop. Hence why I knew no one would counterclaim. But uhm... You know what?

I don't think it's reasonable to ever believe a red check in a game where roles are handed out before alignment.

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[Jackofhearts2005]

Not veto'ing Axe but if we walk blindly into another ML here then that's really bad
The 9-hour hammer yesterday in general was pretty bad

Indeed. I basically skipped yesterday because I figured there was a decent chance the red was faked and I wanted that to be claimed one way or another so we could actually play. Instead the day just ended and a townie died.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lol I def skipped a bunch of spoiler setup and didn’t know alignment of roles was randomized.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Watch me be derp cleared and not get healed anyway.

[Grogu]

I think guill is scum. Not sure why

[Grogu]

Axe can get a free day, he’s weird but likely just town. The story is so bad that it cannot come from a wolf lol

[Grogu]

Heal the poison. Imo

[TonyStarkPrime]

Also Doo probably scum because she looks at the game differently than I do and voted on my targets 2 days in a row. Specifically her vote day 1 was bad, I was hesitant between claiming a red on Dana or Doo

you faked a red on town isn’t it a good thing if someone looks at the game differently than you do

[TonyStarkPrime]

Axe can get a free day, he’s weird but likely just town. The story is so bad that it cannot come from a wolf lol

Vote: Grogu
Obv wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

If this goes well we can waste time and kill the Canadian later

[Vulgard]

I honestly thought NAA was a 3p yesterday, I just DIDN'T GET THE CHANCE TO SAY IT because apparently quickhammering is a good idea. Thought he was faking a redcheck on Dana because Dana dying was a part of his wincon, or something like that.

The fact he's now blaming the village instead of apologizing and owing up to his actions, coupled with him just moving on to a different push (admittedly on HK, someone I agree has been wolfy, but still), makes me think he's just a wolf who's just killed a villager. If we just let him do that stuff, then we're leaving someone who fake redchecked and misyeeted a villager alive. If he's mafia, he's getting a free kill here with no repercussions. And he might get another if HK is town. And even if he's town, he's going to get tinfoiled to hell and back, because he singlehandedly killed a villager on day 2.

Guillo's reaction to all this solidifies my townread on them and they are currently my top town alive. Dana being a villager weakens my previous argument for TSP being town, but I think he's still likely town.

Someone still needs to explain the Martin case to me, because I read parts of the thread during nighttime and I still couldn't conclude why you even thought he was mafia beyond the general vibes of his posts (which I didn't have real problems with; in fact, I think he's been one of the more investigative and curious players in this game).

[Vulgard]

Poison on Jack... I honestly don't know from which alignment it would come. I don't think I've read a single Jack post all game.

[Vulgard]

I'm going to spend some time in people' ISOs unless you quickhammer again and don't let me play another day phase.

[Vulgard]

@hollowkatt Why are you voting Martin?

@Seanzie Why are you voting NAA? I know what I've just said suggests I think he's mafia, too, but I want to know YOUR reasons.

[Vulgard]

LC's ISO has nothing in it. Nothing. =rand, so more likely town than not, but ugh.

I need to check Mac's ISO thoroughly, because Falcon's calling himself spewed town from Mac, but... I don't think his ISO is wolfy. Outside of the early opportunistic pushes, he's had a few other pushes and not a single townread in the entire thing. This looks like he's concerned about attacking more people more than solving anybody's alignment, and that's something I caught him on in the last game I played with him. The only difference between that game and this game is the fact he's not really going after LHF here, but that's the best thing I can say about him.

His interaction with lost monkey over something that happened in an event is also something I've tried to make sense of, but I feel like I lack the necessary context to determine whether it's villagery or wolfy.

[Vulgard]

I meant "I think his ISO is wolfy."

EBWOP. A very important one.

[Vulgard]

Grogu's ISO is pretty villagery in the way they're off in their own world with sunshine and rainbows.

I am possibly getting pocketed by this, but I really do think it's towny.

[Vulgard]

Eh. Lost monkey's ISO is mostly empty reads. Really dislike their treatment of Falcon, calling him "scummy but can play bad as town" and "scum or butthurt." It feels like they have TMI on the slot because these are really weird, polarized statements to make as town. Also, how can you know someone's potentially "playing bad" as town when it's day 1? That's the biggest TMI point in the entire ISO.

The good thing is that lost monkey has actual alignment reads (even if they are bad); I remember their wolf ISO from our last game together barely having even that. But the reads themselves aren't good at all, and the treatment of Falcon should realistically spew him town if Lost Monkey is mafia.

I still think Falcon is the wolfier of the two, but maybe flipping lost monkey first is the play, considering Falcon's spewed town if Lost Monkey is mafia and Lost Monkey isn't spewed town if Falcon is mafia. Would like people's input on this.

In general, what even happened in that event? This makes two ISOs I've read that talk about the event and I'm still confused what exactly happened in there. Seanzie was in that as well iirc.

[Guillotine]

[Guillotine]

Eh. Lost monkey's ISO is mostly empty reads. Really dislike their treatment of Falcon, calling him "scummy but can play bad as town" and "scum or butthurt." It feels like they have TMI on the slot because these are really weird, polarized statements to make as town. Also, how can you know someone's potentially "playing bad" as town when it's day 1? That's the biggest TMI point in the entire ISO.

The good thing is that lost monkey has actual alignment reads (even if they are bad); I remember their wolf ISO from our last game together barely having even that. But the reads themselves aren't good at all, and the treatment of Falcon should realistically spew him town if Lost Monkey is mafia.

I still think Falcon is the wolfier of the two, but maybe flipping lost monkey first is the play, considering Falcon's spewed town if Lost Monkey is mafia and Lost Monkey isn't spewed town if Falcon is mafia. Would like people's input on this.

In general, what even happened in that event? This makes two ISOs I've read that talk about the event and I'm still confused what exactly happened in there. Seanzie was in that as well iirc.

[Guillotine]

[Guillotine]

Heal the poison. Imo

[Guillotine]

Heal the poison. Imo

[Guillotine]

[hollowkatt]

free town read to anyone who got a bison last night

Why do you send bisons? Can you explain plz

I send them b/c I care
It's like fruit vendor but I'm not target restricted (can send to the same person repeatedly if I want to) and it's a picture of appa (of my choosing, with no game text) instead of fruit

That's pretty slick. Do you choose who it goes to, or just random town?

I get to choose where it goes

[falcon45ca]

Eh. Lost monkey's ISO is mostly empty reads. Really dislike their treatment of Falcon, calling him "scummy but can play bad as town" and "scum or butthurt." It feels like they have TMI on the slot because these are really weird, polarized statements to make as town. Also, how can you know someone's potentially "playing bad" as town when it's day 1? That's the biggest TMI point in the entire ISO.

The good thing is that lost monkey has actual alignment reads (even if they are bad); I remember their wolf ISO from our last game together barely having even that. But the reads themselves aren't good at all, and the treatment of Falcon should realistically spew him town if Lost Monkey is mafia.

I still think Falcon is the wolfier of the two, but maybe flipping lost monkey first is the play, considering Falcon's spewed town if Lost Monkey is mafia and Lost Monkey isn't spewed town if Falcon is mafia. Would like people's input on this.

In general, what even happened in that event? This makes two ISOs I've read that talk about the event and I'm still confused what exactly happened in there. Seanzie was in that as well iirc.

Mac spewed me town when he tried to push me for my role in the storm chat

[falcon45ca]

free town read to anyone who got a bison last night

Why do you send bisons? Can you explain plz

I send them b/c I care
It's like fruit vendor but I'm not target restricted (can send to the same person repeatedly if I want to) and it's a picture of appa (of my choosing, with no game text) instead of fruit

That's pretty slick. Do you choose who it goes to, or just random town?

I get to choose where it goes

Well, then shouldn't you know who got the bison?

[Felicis]

Not super awake or 100% caught up yet, just done a morning skim so bear with me please. This might be a long post.

I'm a little discouraged by both the 7 town deaths and my own play, but I need to give town more to work with and I don't feel like I've been doing that with just a few questions here and there and minor shade based on plays that confuse me. I read up until last night so here are my current reads for now. I'm really doubtful and not that confident in them which I realize might not be as helpful as I'd like, but this is what I'm feeling and where I'm at.

Town leans:
Vulgard, seems actually solving and making some (at least what feels like, to me) strong reads with a lot of cross referencing and isos

Long Con, probably should be null bc of minimal posting, but I liked their EOD yesterday cuz they wanted to be cognizant of a hammer and (it felt like) careful not to misyeet.

Naviya, wasn't sure at first how to interpret their early roleclaim, but I can't explain it, I just get a villagery vibe. Maybe it's all the meowing.

Grogu, again unsure at first what to think with the Aang claim and I was a little sus after axe said he knew who Aang was but didn't say if Aang was Grogu or not so I got a little paranoid. I realized it probably wouldn't be good for town for axe to reveal that info tho, which again made me start to think why Grogu would claim and then later urge Axe not to share who Aang was. Grogu is technically a town to null read for me, likely slightly less towny in my mind because of my own paranoia.

Hollowkatt, mraaahhhh I don't really know and I'm probably wrong like I usually am but I get semi good feels from you so I'm leaning town. Gonna iso and see if that changes. Pls be a good guy, don't embarrass me.

Null/middle of the road-ish:
Seanzie, giving bod for the most part because I know seanzie teaches and I believe that he's busy irl. I'm just not sure what to think purely because this is not how I've seen seanzie play, either town, scum, or 3p. There was a comment that felt much more like what I'm used to but it was the only one of its kind. I'm not gonna tunnel you off this sean, but if you end up having the time to come back and add some more thoughts I would like that.

Axe, honestly probably just a scummy towny. Has town blood on his hands, and I reaaaaaaaaaally don't get the faked red and dont really like his style of pushing, but I keep getting this gut feeling that he might just be town. I'm having a hard time coming to consensus in my head though so placing him here.

Lomo, the event thing sucked but I know that things can get fucked up without the mistakes coming from scum. Some interactions with falcon were interesting though, might have to iso in that direction and see if I come up with anything useful and if this changes.

Jack, I am unsure! If you're town I want you healed but I don't know if you're town lol I don't know if you're scum either though sit here for a bit pls.

Guillo, you confuse me sir, but I don't necessarily think you're a wolf based on your solving (as difficult as it can be to interpret sometimes ), but I'm not really sure you're town either. I don't know if we have 3p in this game because nook said it was a maybe in setup, but I feel like you could be 3p here if 3p does exist. Just vibeywibeys.

null-ish to scum (these are technically folks I don't really know where to place, but I have the least towny vibes on them and will require more re-reading on my part, hence "null-ish to scum")

Falcon, mentioned some interactions with lomo earlier but still have to analyze. Purely unsure about you and leaving you in the last category. You pushed Lomo for the event mess-up which made me go enh, but that could easily just be frustrated disappointed Towny. Fitting you here for now.

DoO, not really sure, says had a bad night but unsure if they mean in game night or irl night. Might just be low posting. I shrug bc idk.

Creature, Martin, TSP, I've got to re-read y'all cuz I'm struggling to place you even semi-confidently; biggest thing is that I don't feel my usual towny pinginess in your direction yet.

[Felicis]

Gods help us...it was a long post

[falcon45ca]

Not super awake or 100% caught up yet, just done a morning skim so bear with me please. This might be a long post.

I'm a little discouraged by both the 7 town deaths and my own play, but I need to give town more to work with and I don't feel like I've been doing that with just a few questions here and there and minor shade based on plays that confuse me. I read up until last night so here are my current reads for now. I'm really doubtful and not that confident in them which I realize might not be as helpful as I'd like, but this is what I'm feeling and where I'm at.

Town leans:
Vulgard, seems actually solving and making some (at least what feels like, to me) strong reads with a lot of cross referencing and isos

Long Con, probably should be null bc of minimal posting, but I liked their EOD yesterday cuz they wanted to be cognizant of a hammer and (it felt like) careful not to misyeet.

Naviya, wasn't sure at first how to interpret their early roleclaim, but I can't explain it, I just get a villagery vibe. Maybe it's all the meowing.

Grogu, again unsure at first what to think with the Aang claim and I was a little sus after axe said he knew who Aang was but didn't say if Aang was Grogu or not so I got a little paranoid. I realized it probably wouldn't be good for town for axe to reveal that info tho, which again made me start to think why Grogu would claim and then later urge Axe not to share who Aang was. Grogu is technically a town to null read for me, likely slightly less towny in my mind because of my own paranoia.

Hollowkatt, mraaahhhh I don't really know and I'm probably wrong like I usually am but I get semi good feels from you so I'm leaning town. Gonna iso and see if that changes. Pls be a good guy, don't embarrass me.

Null/middle of the road-ish:
Seanzie, giving bod for the most part because I know seanzie teaches and I believe that he's busy irl. I'm just not sure what to think purely because this is not how I've seen seanzie play, either town, scum, or 3p. There was a comment that felt much more like what I'm used to but it was the only one of its kind. I'm not gonna tunnel you off this sean, but if you end up having the time to come back and add some more thoughts I would like that.

Axe, honestly probably just a scummy towny. Has town blood on his hands, and I reaaaaaaaaaally don't get the faked red and dont really like his style of pushing, but I keep getting this gut feeling that he might just be town. I'm having a hard time coming to consensus in my head though so placing him here.

Lomo, the event thing sucked but I know that things can get fucked up without the mistakes coming from scum. Some interactions with falcon were interesting though, might have to iso in that direction and see if I come up with anything useful and if this changes.

Jack, I am unsure! If you're town I want you healed but I don't know if you're town lol I don't know if you're scum either though sit here for a bit pls.

Guillo, you confuse me sir, but I don't necessarily think you're a wolf based on your solving (as difficult as it can be to interpret sometimes ), but I'm not really sure you're town either. I don't know if we have 3p in this game because nook said it was a maybe in setup, but I feel like you could be 3p here if 3p does exist. Just vibeywibeys.

null-ish to scum (these are technically folks I don't really know where to place, but I have the least towny vibes on them and will require more re-reading on my part, hence "null-ish to scum")

Falcon, mentioned some interactions with lomo earlier but still have to analyze. Purely unsure about you and leaving you in the last category. You pushed Lomo for the event mess-up which made me go enh, but that could easily just be frustrated disappointed Towny. Fitting you here for now.

DoO, not really sure, says had a bad night but unsure if they mean in game night or irl night. Might just be low posting. I shrug bc idk.

Creature, Martin, TSP, I've got to re-read y'all cuz I'm struggling to place you even semi-confidently; biggest thing is that I don't feel my usual towny pinginess in your direction yet.

Jesus, that's a lot of words for just waking up.

[Felicis]

free town read to anyone who got a bison last night

Why do you send bisons? Can you explain plz

I send them b/c I care
It's like fruit vendor but I'm not target restricted (can send to the same person repeatedly if I want to) and it's a picture of appa (of my choosing, with no game text) instead of fruit

That's pretty slick. Do you choose who it goes to, or just random town?

I get to choose where it goes

Well, then shouldn't you know who got the bison?

Huh good point. Unless HK is trying to see if anyone fakes receiving a bison by asking who got it? Iunno

[hollowkatt]

TBH, if you guys just were better at forming wagons, I wouldn't have had to claim a red check. Both Sig and Dana could have defended themselves and didn't Ender defended himself, and I didn't pursue him further once I found him to be town. It's just my style to push with unrelenting pressure until / unless the person shows themselves to be OBVIOUS town, if they don't, then yeet them and shrug.

So really, yesterday is on you guys, not me.

But yeah, Hallokat is my top mafia pick (which no one will listen to).

Because of the random posturing wagons he starts, like he just votes a random person until the wagons develop and then picks a wagon, he did this both days, and today given he's expecting me to be the main.

He's trying to milk this fruit vendor claim, yet roles have no connection to alignment, yet we are meant to believe fruit vendor is towny.

Also, Yesterday he said he believed my claim, then waivered, then believed again. Which was a very unnecessary comment to justify his vote on Dana, but also, his thought process doesn't match with his play throughout the day.

And now I've just given mafia!Hallokat immunity because no one in their right mind would sheep me for a 3rd day

lolol no
[VOTE: notanaxehole] aubergine

[Felicis]

Not super awake or 100% caught up yet, just done a morning skim so bear with me please. This might be a long post.

I'm a little discouraged by both the 7 town deaths and my own play, but I need to give town more to work with and I don't feel like I've been doing that with just a few questions here and there and minor shade based on plays that confuse me. I read up until last night so here are my current reads for now. I'm really doubtful and not that confident in them which I realize might not be as helpful as I'd like, but this is what I'm feeling and where I'm at.

Town leans:
Vulgard, seems actually solving and making some (at least what feels like, to me) strong reads with a lot of cross referencing and isos

Long Con, probably should be null bc of minimal posting, but I liked their EOD yesterday cuz they wanted to be cognizant of a hammer and (it felt like) careful not to misyeet.

Naviya, wasn't sure at first how to interpret their early roleclaim, but I can't explain it, I just get a villagery vibe. Maybe it's all the meowing.

Grogu, again unsure at first what to think with the Aang claim and I was a little sus after axe said he knew who Aang was but didn't say if Aang was Grogu or not so I got a little paranoid. I realized it probably wouldn't be good for town for axe to reveal that info tho, which again made me start to think why Grogu would claim and then later urge Axe not to share who Aang was. Grogu is technically a town to null read for me, likely slightly less towny in my mind because of my own paranoia.

Hollowkatt, mraaahhhh I don't really know and I'm probably wrong like I usually am but I get semi good feels from you so I'm leaning town. Gonna iso and see if that changes. Pls be a good guy, don't embarrass me.

Null/middle of the road-ish:
Seanzie, giving bod for the most part because I know seanzie teaches and I believe that he's busy irl. I'm just not sure what to think purely because this is not how I've seen seanzie play, either town, scum, or 3p. There was a comment that felt much more like what I'm used to but it was the only one of its kind. I'm not gonna tunnel you off this sean, but if you end up having the time to come back and add some more thoughts I would like that.

Axe, honestly probably just a scummy towny. Has town blood on his hands, and I reaaaaaaaaaally don't get the faked red and dont really like his style of pushing, but I keep getting this gut feeling that he might just be town. I'm having a hard time coming to consensus in my head though so placing him here.

Lomo, the event thing sucked but I know that things can get fucked up without the mistakes coming from scum. Some interactions with falcon were interesting though, might have to iso in that direction and see if I come up with anything useful and if this changes.

Jack, I am unsure! If you're town I want you healed but I don't know if you're town lol I don't know if you're scum either though sit here for a bit pls.

Guillo, you confuse me sir, but I don't necessarily think you're a wolf based on your solving (as difficult as it can be to interpret sometimes ), but I'm not really sure you're town either. I don't know if we have 3p in this game because nook said it was a maybe in setup, but I feel like you could be 3p here if 3p does exist. Just vibeywibeys.

null-ish to scum (these are technically folks I don't really know where to place, but I have the least towny vibes on them and will require more re-reading on my part, hence "null-ish to scum")

Falcon, mentioned some interactions with lomo earlier but still have to analyze. Purely unsure about you and leaving you in the last category. You pushed Lomo for the event mess-up which made me go enh, but that could easily just be frustrated disappointed Towny. Fitting you here for now.

DoO, not really sure, says had a bad night but unsure if they mean in game night or irl night. Might just be low posting. I shrug bc idk.

Creature, Martin, TSP, I've got to re-read y'all cuz I'm struggling to place you even semi-confidently; biggest thing is that I don't feel my usual towny pinginess in your direction yet.

Jesus, that's a lot of words for just waking up.

I'm in bed once I start typing my thoughts they kinda just... go. Lmao I'm sorry for the wall of text. I'll think of a player and then collect what I know about them in my head, analyze a bit and start typing my feelings out. It can result in... Well... This

[hollowkatt]

free town read to anyone who got a bison last night

Why do you send bisons? Can you explain plz

I send them b/c I care
It's like fruit vendor but I'm not target restricted (can send to the same person repeatedly if I want to) and it's a picture of appa (of my choosing, with no game text) instead of fruit

That's pretty slick. Do you choose who it goes to, or just random town?

I get to choose where it goes

Well, then shouldn't you know who got the bison?

of course I know who got the bison, Falcon.

[hollowkatt]

I mean duh, yeah? I thought that was the conclusion we'd arrived at on D1 post event

[Guillotine]

I mean duh, yeah? I thought that was the conclusion we'd arrived at on D1 post event

[hollowkatt]

unless my recollection is wrong there was discussion that if lomo is a wolf it's highly likely seanzie is a wolf based on the event that occurred. So yes, the royal "we" is appropriate

[Guillotine]

[hollowkatt]

[NotAnAxehole]

Mac wasn't in the storm chat.

[Guillotine]

[hollowkatt]

in my defense the ending of the tour de france was very very good