AtLA post-game (mafia win)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also (since today is half burned so I’m gonna go off on tangents), wolves have a one shot soupkill.

Assuming that’s the only anticlaim mechanic, it’s not really sufficient. Soup prevents a massclaim only. If say Zuko (apparent vigilante, though I guess Iroh as a one shot vig isn’t out of the question) is about to be yeeted, he could claim and as long as he’s the only claimed town role (which isn’t exactly the case atm), soup killing Zuko is basically the same as a mafia kill on Zuko except 1) it can’t be doctored and 2) it misses of the player claiming Zuko was lying.

So basically, Zuko gets a free yeet escape.

Let’s say the wolves just shoot Zuko. Then we try to yeet Aang. Aang claims and gets a free yeet escape, too. Then the wolves shoot Aang and we get a free yeet escape if we try to yeet Katara or Sokka.

And if the wolves actually use their soup? Then a massclaim becomes legal and every important character gets a get out of yeet free card. This is made stronger now that Mai has flipped town and Zuko or Iroh has burned a wolf, which points to a wolfteam of flat villains, not fire benders or team Azula.

TLDR: If wolves don’t have safeclaims, we should at least get 2 tries most days without actually misyeeting.

[Vulgard]

I don't think any meaningful discussion can be had after a red check anyway.

Well, you shouldn't have outed it right away, then. It's possible Dana would've spewed something.

In general, I feel like you aren't playing this situation like an actual redcheck. If you're a cop, why did you play such a "loud" EoD yesterday?

[MartinGG99]

People I would defend today ie. have given me a reason to keep them past day 1.

Ender
Axe
Martin

That list is far too small. Improve.

This is why you're supposed to sheep me, not the other way around.

o.O

[hollowkatt]

while adorable, probably sitting on that would have been smart

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't think any meaningful discussion can be had after a red check anyway.

Well, you shouldn't have outed it right away, then. It's possible Dana would've spewed something.

In general, I feel like you aren't playing this situation like an actual redcheck. If you're a cop, why did you play such a "loud" EoD yesterday?

[Creature]

Afraid we might have 5 wolves left and a couple of third parties.

[MartinGG99]

I say we chop Sig/butters Sig/tsp or tsp/butters. Don't be a coward by shooting both sides of an unlikely SvS

But it'd be fun if they both flip red.

Probability, but yeah, we still have yet to establish if you're all good with the town circle

@EnderWiggin
@MacDougall
@DaughterOfOmega

I would also include @MartinGG99

I like DoO but I'm a bit iffy core-ing them rn.

Martin seems fine for holding away from PoE purposes. I like their response to the event.

Ok, so we put Doo in the same category as MartinGG99 as not quite the town core, but heavily townread by the town core?

[Creature]

If you're a cop, why did you play such a "loud" EoD yesterday?

I had a game I 300 posted as cop D1 and ended up killed N1. Kinda sad when I have found the two wolves during the night I was killed.

[Creature]

Maybe this day isn't really over. A lot of mech stuff popping up and also we can still sniff some wolves for a possible second vig kill.

[Guillotine]

while adorable, probably sitting on that would have been smart

[Jackofhearts2005]

What if I told you just because one shot soup is weak anticlaim it’s still anticlaim and you shouldn’t just claim a big shot after the fact when under basically no pressure?

[hollowkatt]

while adorable, probably sitting on that would have been smart

I'd say you can still be soup killed

[MartinGG99]

Also, Martin is a LOT scummier with a Mac flip, probably a good candidate for tomorrow.

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Martin does appear to be supreme omega town tho

Yee

People I would defend today ie. have given me a reason to keep them past day 1.

Ender
Axe
Martin

That list is far too small. Improve.

This is why you're supposed to sheep me, not the other way around.

I say we chop Sig/butters Sig/tsp or tsp/butters. Don't be a coward by shooting both sides of an unlikely SvS

But it'd be fun if they both flip red.

Probability, but yeah, we still have yet to establish if you're all good with the town circle

@EnderWiggin
@MacDougall
@DaughterOfOmega

I would also include @MartinGG99

I like DoO but I'm a bit iffy core-ing them rn.

Martin seems fine for holding away from PoE purposes. I like their response to the event.

Ok, so we put Doo in the same category as MartinGG99 as not quite the town core, but heavily townread by the town core?

[Creature]

What if I told you just because one shot soup is weak anticlaim it’s still anticlaim and you shouldn’t just claim a big shot after the fact when under basically no pressure?

WIFOM

[MartinGG99]

while adorable, probably sitting on that would have been smart

One-shot roles are self-vanillanizers

never thought about it that way before

[Guillotine]

What if I told you just because one shot soup is weak anticlaim it’s still anticlaim and you shouldn’t just claim a big shot after the fact when under basically no pressure?

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: Dana] aubergine

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine

[Creature]

So Martin is wolf, right?

[NotAnAxehole]

So Martin is wolf, right?

Most likely

[MartinGG99]

I have a red check on Dana.

I also know who Aang is, so let me know if you want me to out that information at any point.

No im not happy Macdougall flipped mafia because that's exactly the type of flip hat makes me look dumb

Tbh, the fact that Mac was refusing to cooperate was a pretty good indicator that he was mafia, I was just really hoping he would be town. Anyway, I've done my part for today. Maybe we can still win despite 4 towns dying D1 LOL.

Also, Martin is a LOT scummier with a Mac flip, probably a good candidate for tomorrow.

[MartinGG99]

"Axe refusing to interact me was a pretty good indicator that he was mafia, I was just really hoping he would be town. Anyway, I've done my part for today. Maybe we can still win despite 4 towns dying D1 LOL"

[TonyStarkPrime]

Some thoughts after ISO'ing the Luckbox voters:

jackofhearts2005 - Jack is being jack. I don't have strong feelings or thoughts on much of his posts given his typical style is to be laid-back (usually without much depth). Anyways, from what I could dig up, he was voting Luckbox because of this (link). He first voted Falcon, but much later (2-ish hours before EoD) moved on to Luckbox, probably due to vote wagons. I'm concerned though that he doesn't seem to initiate interaction with Falcon even after the storm event (for which Falcon was part of), and even interacted with me about the storm. Its like his vote on Falcon did nothing and he was completely fine with it, which I think is contradictory to what he said about himself and his reads in the past (link). Pending other my reads, I wouldn't mind this guy being the day 2 chop and would prefer it if nothing else.

butterscotchsundae - Butter hardly has any reads with substance in them. One of their reads felt scummy in particular (link), saying Ender is villagery and also they would fake-peek them. But why even mention that if you don't believe in fake-peeking and to also not mention why exactly Ender is villagery? It feels like a statement sprinkled in there specifically for seemingly towny tone and nothing else. Overall handling of Luckbox seems mildy okay to me for the limited time they spent here. I can't tell if its towny though given their reported history with Luck. I want to chop this person.

enderwiggin - I don't have enough leftover energy to ISO 300 posts. Will do D2 at some point assuming he doesn't create another 300 posts while I'm at it. watch him be the NK and I get 100 scumreads lol

guillotine - So let me get this one thing straight: Guilo thought Me/Luck/Butter were wolves (this has been rather consistent over the course of D1 to some degree), and has voted all of us at one point or another. I would think interactions between all three of us would have been not-w/w at some point. Especially between Luck/Butter give their public differences on d1. I don't really understand what Guilo is thinking, and honestly after trying to understand vague memes after vague memes with at most a sentence or two in them, I kinda want to reserve judgment for a day. Also saves me from a headache.

IBA - After reading full context of the interactions with Mac, I think this happened naturally enough for it to not be w/w with Mac. However, with this interaction by itself I wouldn't be surprised if this could be w/v given this involved strictly out-of-game and pre-game stuff so I'm not viewing it as towny for either. With the stuff on Luckbox, I'm inclined to see it as likely genuine. It was a simple TMI suspicion, but what sticks out to me is that this sort of attitude to luck is maintained (and echoed at least once later) while also stating once or twice as to whether Luck had a towny response (link). The whole handling of Luck feels a bit awkward (is that the right word?) and too rough for a wolf to simply fabricate for day 1 where wolves are generally under the least pressure. It just would be unnecessary to do. I don't think IBA is scum here.

Get this man his 100 scum reads

[MartinGG99]

Strongly resisting the temptation to scum-read bad play just because he hasn't played with me before and wants to solve me based on wolf-flips rather than anything else

[TonyStarkPrime]

My confident read of the game is TSP town, so gl

That’s damn right

[TonyStarkPrime]

Also I’m cleared from interactions with Mac so

[NotAnAxehole]

Strongly resisting the temptation to scum-read bad play just because he hasn't played with me before and wants to solve me based on wolf-flips rather than anything else

Any discussion after a red check is pretty much irrelevant, so you can stop getting upset and clogging the thread with it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Opportunistic push on a flipped villager very early on, for things that shouldn't be considered wolfy. Also got no heat day 1 if EoD1 is any indication.

Can someone who knows Seanzie tell me if openwolfing is normal for him?

Falcon is maybe towny and Seanzie openwolfs constantly

[MartinGG99]

Strongly resisting the temptation to scum-read bad play just because he hasn't played with me before and wants to solve me based on wolf-flips rather than anything else

Any discussion after a red check is pretty much irrelevant, so you can stop getting upset and clogging the thread with it.

Then why the fuck say who was spewed what

[MartinGG99]

Like hellloooooo

[MartinGG99]

you're going to throw a red-check then shade me to hell a few times and then deny the oppertunity to interact with me


what the heck

[MartinGG99]

also I'm going to clog this freaking thread if I have to

[MartinGG99]

I'm not going to die in my first town game after 3 wolf rands just because someone decided to play dumb on me

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mac was obvious wolf tbh

(and I’m only saying this so he’ll get mad at me in spec no one point out that my last post of D1 was that he was probably town)

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm not going to die in my first town game after 3 wolf rands just because someone decided to play dumb on me

You literally have a 0% chance of dying today. Shush.

[MartinGG99]

I'm not going to die in my first town game after 3 wolf rands just because someone decided to play dumb on me

You literally have a 0% chance of dying today. Shush.

yeah right

just be quiet

and ignore the death-threat for D3

while also not attempting to solve them at all

if I stayed silent this whole day then I would be lowering myself to your level of play and I'm not gonna do that

[TonyStarkPrime]

Stop complaining or claim mafia

[MartinGG99]

Wooofs:

"Oh hey you know that guy that red-checked Mac on D2? Yeah, real shame he died on N2 after shading Martin. Guess he was right even though HE NEVER TRIED TO INTERACT AND RE-EVALUATE"

[TonyStarkPrime]

Which tbf has worked out for you in the past

[MartinGG99]

errr Dana

[MartinGG99]

like the idea that we should stop solving completely and no one solves on any day at all

is such bullshit

no matter the situation

[IBA]

So Martin is wolf, right?

Yeah p much

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm not going to die in my first town game after 3 wolf rands just because someone decided to play dumb on me

You literally have a 0% chance of dying today. Shush.

yeah right

just be quiet

and ignore the death-threat for D3

while also not attempting to solve them at all

if I stayed silent this whole day then I would be lowering myself to your level of play and I'm not gonna do that

You're right. Mac probably spewed you town, the interaction was more S/T than S/S.

All better?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Martin is throwing a temper tantrum which probably makes him Zuko

[NotAnAxehole]

I reserve the right to do a complete 180 on that tomorrow

[IBA]

Btw, Avatar the Last Airbender is basically a perfect series and they only thing that could have made it better was if the Boulder was more obviously the Rock and full of inside wrestling jokes.

I wish the Azula/Ty Lee romance were more explicit but I mean they weren't even willing to go that far in Korra years later so. Yeah it is what it is. A fantastic series tho. I think Zuko legitimately has one of the best character arcs in the entirety of narrative fiction.

[MartinGG99]

I'm not going to die in my first town game after 3 wolf rands just because someone decided to play dumb on me

You literally have a 0% chance of dying today. Shush.

yeah right

just be quiet

and ignore the death-threat for D3

while also not attempting to solve them at all

if I stayed silent this whole day then I would be lowering myself to your level of play and I'm not gonna do that

You're right. Mac probably spewed you town, the interaction was more S/T than S/S.

All better?

No. It isn't.

You're still solving me from a spew perspective here.

It's like you gave up on reading me d1 after saying you gave me a slight town lean and the later momentarily sheeped people's thought that my reaction to the event was towny but after that nothing more and when Mac flips "OH YEAH I GUESS MARTIN IS PREETY SCUMMY"......for no clear reason other than the flip.

[IBA]

also I'm going to clog this freaking thread if I have to

Sounds like a real good incentive to murder you tbh

[IBA]

I'm not going to die in my first town game after 3 wolf rands just because someone decided to play dumb on me

You literally have a 0% chance of dying today. Shush.

yeah right

just be quiet

and ignore the death-threat for D3

while also not attempting to solve them at all

if I stayed silent this whole day then I would be lowering myself to your level of play and I'm not gonna do that

You're right. Mac probably spewed you town, the interaction was more S/T than S/S.

All better?

No. It isn't.

You're still solving me from a spew perspective here.

It's like you gave up on reading me d1 after saying you gave me a slight town lean and the later momentarily sheeped people's thought that my reaction to the event was towny but after that nothing more and when Mac flips "OH YEAH I GUESS MARTIN IS PREETY SCUMMY"......for no clear reason other than the flip.

Why are you like this

[MartinGG99]

I want you to have an INKLING of an independent read on me.

Not influenced by others. I don't care if its a scum-read or not. But if you do that it'll feel to me that you're making a decent effort to do so.

[MartinGG99]

also I'm going to clog this freaking thread if I have to

Sounds like a real good incentive to murder you tbh

yeah well at least I'll have my dignity that I gave this game my effort