Bird Mafia [TOWN VICTORY]

[falcon45ca]

Final post.

No don't be that way, give us spew

[Creature]

Dunno what we do now. Herm might be cleared but that depends on what ability Wiml flips.

[falcon45ca]

I still have really no opinion on LoMo from what I've seen. They're probably the player I look at next?

Give us some hard takes, cuz you seem kinda waffley

Duskfall/Tim/Ydrasse/Wurzel/Creature/You town.
sig/LC very weakly town.
Herm wolf. Rest of PoE is probably Nanook and LoMo/orange from having no read there.

I could see a Wurzel/Wiml team w/ 1 of Sig, LC/Marmot, or LoMo

[Marmot]

I'm not defending myself here because there's no point. Good luck wolves have a good one.

I assume this is a concession and not a "I'm town but can't fight it" post. Either way.


[VOTE: Wiml] aubergine

[lost monkey]

LoMo can you talk me through the explanations for a couple of reads of your choice please?

sure which ones?

Anything you haven't talked about in length but feel strongly about please!

There is not much but I got weirded out by both wurzel and herms read list.

[Don Wurzeloni]

Regarding my own wagon, I admit that I probably have had lower WIM than usual today and have been a bit on autopilot. There is a good reason for that.

As everyone seems to be outing their roles now, I am one shot town vig. Unfortunately, I used my one shot on Ender.

Just to give some background on this: in one of my fairly recent games, I took part in a Hydra. My partner and I were town and got a free vig shot. I wanted to shoot Tim and his partner as they were posting in gifs. My partner persuaded me to holster as it was risky to shoot. We holstered. Tim was a wolf and that game was mafia sweep.

So since then I said if I got a vig again I would use it. I strongly scum read Ender and it didn't look like anyone was going to vote him out so I used the vig.

What is really annoying is I could have vigged Hollowkatt but everyone insisted on yeeting him on d1.

I'm sorry for my mistake. Still on the plus side it looks like we've got a wolf.

[lost monkey]

LoMo not voting me when he's got me as lock scum is a horrible look, how is that towny? He's waiting to see what wagon to join

Bro me voting. not voting is nai to know my alignment, i have had a scum and town game here. I accused nutella of being scum in the crossover game and i was the first to do it and i was not the first to vote her though. I didnt vote owner even though she was scum, like unless i deem i need to, i wont.

This checks out. In Elder Scrolls as scum, LoMo didn't vote Days 1, 2, and I think 4. As town in the crossover game, LoMo didn't vote Days 2, 3, and 6.

Why do you not vote every day?

Sometimes i want to but not there during eod, sometimes i forget, sometimes i feel i don't need to, sometimes i feel what is the use of voting.

[Marmot]

Ftr I want to say that I was holding back still lol.

What were you holding back from us???

[Herm]

I still have really no opinion on LoMo from what I've seen. They're probably the player I look at next?

Give us some hard takes, cuz you seem kinda waffley

Duskfall/Tim/Ydrasse/Wurzel/Creature/You town.
sig/LC very weakly town.
Herm wolf. Rest of PoE is probably Nanook and LoMo/orange from having no read there.

I could see a Wurzel/Wiml team w/ 1 of Sig, LC/Marmot, or LoMo

Agree with this.

[Creature]

Aw so many 1-shot town killing

[Creature]

But perhaps that makes sense

[falcon45ca]

So here are my initial thoughts and reads:

Finding the vibe here very different to MU. If MU is like afternoon tea at Claridge’s, this place is like a pool bar coming up to closing time

WIML – Feels pretty towny as usual (although he is generally towny). Likely to resolve later on
Esooa slot – Lean town. Esooa gets more wound up when she is town
Alison – getting good vibes so far (although I haven’t seen her wolf yet)

HK – 3p as claimed

Ender – several of his posts have pinged me but I am not quite sure enough to scum read yet

Falcon – early town PR claiming is anti-town
Gavial slot – his behaviour was massively anti-town
Nanook – His claimed PR sounds incredibly suss to me (do day cops even exist?) Feels like a good way to get a cheap town read

Why wouldn't you have shot the other 3 players you had as much higher scum reads?

[Creature]

Inb4 more infodump

[Herm]

Oh, that clears some stuff up. I feel like that makes sense, Wurzel. Although you're prob gonna get questions about the Ender kill.

Wurzel = Town though!

[lost monkey]

[VOTE: wiml] aubergine

[Herm]

i will probably focus my energy on the Pirate King and a few others for next phase.

[Creature]

I'm kinda tempted to just believe Wurzel because even if Ender was pretty town I don't think wolves waste their vig on him and Wurzel like claimed when he wasn't particularly in danger of being lynched.

[lost monkey]

Wanna say i didn't like tim's push on wurzel using alison as scapegoat. Alison could have even tried lynching me today.

[lost monkey]

My reads have been fire this game, sad to see i got wiml wrong though. Well played wiml.

[Don Wurzeloni]

So here are my initial thoughts and reads:

Finding the vibe here very different to MU. If MU is like afternoon tea at Claridge’s, this place is like a pool bar coming up to closing time

WIML – Feels pretty towny as usual (although he is generally towny). Likely to resolve later on
Esooa slot – Lean town. Esooa gets more wound up when she is town
Alison – getting good vibes so far (although I haven’t seen her wolf yet)

HK – 3p as claimed

Ender – several of his posts have pinged me but I am not quite sure enough to scum read yet

Falcon – early town PR claiming is anti-town
Gavial slot – his behaviour was massively anti-town
Nanook – His claimed PR sounds incredibly suss to me (do day cops even exist?) Feels like a good way to get a cheap town read

Why wouldn't you have shot the other 3 players you had as much higher scum reads?

That was my list of very initial thoughts earlier on in the day. I then read Ender's ISO and decided he definitely was a wolf (see #1209). I also then made him my top scum read at #1370

[Creature]

falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.

[Herm]

I'm kinda tempted to just believe Wurzel because even if Ender was pretty town I don't think wolves waste their vig on him and Wurzel like claimed when he wasn't particularly in danger of being lynched.

I'm not sure how he can be a wolf if that's his role. Wiml was likely the wolf sent for the kill on Alison last night.

[Herm]

Unless they had two kills, although I'm not sure how llikely that is.

[Creature]

I'm kinda tempted to just believe Wurzel because even if Ender was pretty town I don't think wolves waste their vig on him and Wurzel like claimed when he wasn't particularly in danger of being lynched.

I'm not sure how he can be a wolf if that's his role. Wiml was likely the wolf sent for the kill on Alison last night.

Wolf 1-shot vig can still be a thing, but I don't think it'd be wasted on Ender

[Herm]

falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.

That's a scummy looking swimming pool.

[Herm]

I'm kinda tempted to just believe Wurzel because even if Ender was pretty town I don't think wolves waste their vig on him and Wurzel like claimed when he wasn't particularly in danger of being lynched.

I'm not sure how he can be a wolf if that's his role. Wiml was likely the wolf sent for the kill on Alison last night.

Wolf 1-shot vig can still be a thing, but I don't think it'd be wasted on Ender

[Creature]

falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.

That's a scummy looking swimming pool.

Does that mean you think I am right?

[Herm]

Gotcha! @Creature

[Herm]

falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.

That's a scummy looking swimming pool.

Does that mean you think I am right?

Yes.

[Creature]

I think I would take a look at Marmot because they've been pretty unimpressive so far.

[Timsup2nothin]

Wiml...

Never, ever fold.

Wiml/Wurzel/X/X2

Those with the X...I will find you, and I will kill you.

[Creature]

Still don't think Wurzel is wolf here but meh

[Duskfall]

Regarding my own wagon, I admit that I probably have had lower WIM than usual today and have been a bit on autopilot. There is a good reason for that.

As everyone seems to be outing their roles now, I am one shot town vig. Unfortunately, I used my one shot on Ender.

Just to give some background on this: in one of my fairly recent games, I took part in a Hydra. My partner and I were town and got a free vig shot. I wanted to shoot Tim and his partner as they were posting in gifs. My partner persuaded me to holster as it was risky to shoot. We holstered. Tim was a wolf and that game was mafia sweep.

So since then I said if I got a vig again I would use it. I strongly scum read Ender and it didn't look like anyone was going to vote him out so I used the vig.

What is really annoying is I could have vigged Hollowkatt but everyone insisted on yeeting him on d1.

I'm sorry for my mistake. Still on the plus side it looks like we've got a wolf.

for future reference hero shots are always the incorrect play btw, always shoot someone that is an ok death even if they are town

[falcon45ca]

Regarding my own wagon, I admit that I probably have had lower WIM than usual today and have been a bit on autopilot. There is a good reason for that.

As everyone seems to be outing their roles now, I am one shot town vig. Unfortunately, I used my one shot on Ender.

Just to give some background on this: in one of my fairly recent games, I took part in a Hydra. My partner and I were town and got a free vig shot. I wanted to shoot Tim and his partner as they were posting in gifs. My partner persuaded me to holster as it was risky to shoot. We holstered. Tim was a wolf and that game was mafia sweep.

So since then I said if I got a vig again I would use it. I strongly scum read Ender and it didn't look like anyone was going to vote him out so I used the vig.

What is really annoying is I could have vigged Hollowkatt but everyone insisted on yeeting him on d1.

I'm sorry for my mistake. Still on the plus side it looks like we've got a wolf.

for future reference hero shots are always the incorrect play btw, always shoot someone that is an ok death even if they are town

Didn't you do that to Kaz? yeah you did

[Duskfall]

i did not if i was picking my own kill i wouldve shot esooa shot

which my heart told me to do but my experience told me not to do! kza was scumread and in lots of poes

[Don Wurzeloni]

falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.

Why does WIML's role effect Herm? Sorry if I'm being dumb.

[Creature]

Kinda funny I've been posting all this while watching online class

[Duskfall]

falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.

Why does WIML's role effect Herm? Sorry if I'm being dumb.

he is mafia and was tracked to target herm

[Don Wurzeloni]

i did not if i was picking my own kill i wouldve shot esooa shot

which my heart told me to do but my experience told me not to do! kza was scumread and in lots of poes

yeah I think it was a better shot than mine

[Creature]

falcon
orangecrush
NANOOK
sig
Wiml
lost monkey
Marmot

This is my POE. Though Herm depends on what role Wiml flips.

Why does WIML's role effect Herm? Sorry if I'm being dumb.

I tracked Wiml to Alison and Herm. Alison was prob the factional kill, while Herm was prob the role ability use. I suppose if Wiml flips something like rolecop it is safe to say they would almost always target town here. If it is something like doctor however things might be different.

[Duskfall]

Holstering is also incorrect too btw, view vig as saving town a kill on someone stuck in Poe rather than feeling you need to make a big hero play and hit mafia cause hitting town that was gonna be daykilled is still +EV for town

[falcon45ca]

i did not if i was picking my own kill i wouldve shot esooa shot

which my heart told me to do but my experience told me not to do! kza was scumread and in lots of poes

Not really, but whatevs. You had him as a top scum read, he wasn't widely scum read. Perhaps somewhat, but you took a hero shot on one of your top scum reads.



What's done is done tho.



Given Wiml flips red, and Wurz is the Vig, here's my list:

Town: Creature, Herm, Dusk, Wurz, Falcon, Tim


POE: orange, LoMo, Ydrass, Nook, Sig, Marmot

[Creature]

Holstering is also incorrect too btw, view vig as saving town a kill on someone stuck in Poe rather than feeling you need to make a big hero play and hit mafia cause hitting town that was gonna be daykilled is still +EV for town

This is correct but town also needs to reach into a consensus. By D1 we were like all over the place and Ender was getting heat.

[Timsup2nothin]

Still don't think Wurzel is wolf here but meh

Wiml had no reason to defend a town Wurzel day one, and no reason to fight my take on Alison's read on Wurzel unless it was right.

There's a balance...Dusk is a one shot town vig, and the wolves have their own extra KP...Wurzel vigged Ender. Wiml D1 defended him so he could get the shot off. Now Wiml is mech busted and Wurzel is hard spewed so may as well try to bluster claim as town vig and throw it off, but X and X2 are gonna hard distance from that shit and probably bus.

[falcon45ca]

Still don't think Wurzel is wolf here but meh

Wiml had no reason to defend a town Wurzel day one, and no reason to fight my take on Alison's read on Wurzel unless it was right.

There's a balance...Dusk is a one shot town vig, and the wolves have their own extra KP...Wurzel vigged Ender. Wiml D1 defended him so he could get the shot off. Now Wiml is mech busted and Wurzel is hard spewed so may as well try to bluster claim as town vig and throw it off, but X and X2 are gonna hard distance from that shit and probably bus.

Possible, but I'd like to see what Wiml's role ability is, what the visit to Herm was about

[Timsup2nothin]

i did not if i was picking my own kill i wouldve shot esooa shot

which my heart told me to do but my experience told me not to do! kza was scumread and in lots of poes

I assume we are both glad you didn't do that.

Meanwhile I really wish you had shot Wurzel, but Kza was a valid shot.

[Timsup2nothin]

Still don't think Wurzel is wolf here but meh

Wiml had no reason to defend a town Wurzel day one, and no reason to fight my take on Alison's read on Wurzel unless it was right.

There's a balance...Dusk is a one shot town vig, and the wolves have their own extra KP...Wurzel vigged Ender. Wiml D1 defended him so he could get the shot off. Now Wiml is mech busted and Wurzel is hard spewed so may as well try to bluster claim as town vig and throw it off, but X and X2 are gonna hard distance from that shit and probably bus.

Possible, but I'd like to see what Wiml's role ability is, what the visit to Herm was about

I'm kinda betting that it is gonna be clearing on Herm. Wiml was leaning heavy into a Herm push and clearly had no idea he was suss so I don't think he was distancing there.

[falcon45ca]

Kaz was not a good shot, I've been playing with the guy for 6 years. He was not in his scum meta

[falcon45ca]

Still don't think Wurzel is wolf here but meh

Wiml had no reason to defend a town Wurzel day one, and no reason to fight my take on Alison's read on Wurzel unless it was right.

There's a balance...Dusk is a one shot town vig, and the wolves have their own extra KP...Wurzel vigged Ender. Wiml D1 defended him so he could get the shot off. Now Wiml is mech busted and Wurzel is hard spewed so may as well try to bluster claim as town vig and throw it off, but X and X2 are gonna hard distance from that shit and probably bus.

Possible, but I'd like to see what Wiml's role ability is, what the visit to Herm was about

I'm kinda betting that it is gonna be clearing on Herm. Wiml was leaning heavy into a Herm push and clearly had no idea he was suss so I don't think he was distancing there.

I assume so as well, but I'd like to know. How balanced is it if the Maf have an extra kill, and have extra role ability? Bear in mind that they did not elect to use any of these extra abilities on the PR claim.

[Timsup2nothin]

Kaz was not a good shot, I've been playing with the guy for 6 years. He was not in his scum meta

Meh. Kaz was definitely POE.