PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [END]

#1701

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:00 pm Unit 1 Answer key

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1. Similarity
2. Good continuation, common region, proximity
3. Bottom stimulus
4.1 linear perspective, texture gradients, interposition, relative size
4.2 size constancy
4.3 texture gradients
4.4 motion parallax, interposition

The underlined answers reflect what I would call the "best" responses. However, sometimes perceptual cues and principles aren't so clear cut and are subject to interpretation. Students may still be able to justify alternatives like those seen above, and that's beautiful learning. Players are free to discuss the quiz and their responses as they desire, but please do not discuss host communications pertaining to the quiz (or anything). Future quizzes may be a bit tougher.

Night 1 has ended.

Hally has been eliminated. They were:

Spoiler: show
Town 2-shot vigilante (N1+3 only)

KZA has been eliminated. He was:

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Mafia 2-shot role cop

Day 2 is underway. You have 48 hours to place your votes. Also note that a screenshot of the Day 1 final poll has been added to the thread's first post. I will update everyone's post caps momentarily.
@HALLY FOR ONCE I WAS RIGHT ON YOU
i am proud

huh? didnt you hardpush them throughout the entirety of d1?

#1702

Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:02 pm - MARL. What the fuck is up with Marl??? I don't smell the spice. I'm going solely off of memory because I can't be assed to ISO the guy right now but I remember not seeing.. anything memorable from him. Which is nagl! Wheres the ego and confidence? Wheres the villa-marl FIRE? Want more. Need more. Gimme more. This can absolutely be a wolf. He's just sidelining and doing a whole lot of nothing. Why isn't he receiving more attention. Is he a wolf going UTR or are wolves just accepting that hes going to be v-read no matter what? I'm leaning the former because.. what the hell has he done to be v-read lol? He feels like a deflated balloon

nevermind you can leave

(this is a joke)

also go iso me
if i have a gigantic ego when i am a guppy in a game full of sharks i'll just end up lookin like an idiot
i'm gonna come out on the other side of this game impressing all of this monster of a playerlist, even if i have to start slow

#1703

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:03 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:00 pm Unit 1 Answer key

Spoiler: show
1. Similarity
2. Good continuation, common region, proximity
3. Bottom stimulus
4.1 linear perspective, texture gradients, interposition, relative size
4.2 size constancy
4.3 texture gradients
4.4 motion parallax, interposition

The underlined answers reflect what I would call the "best" responses. However, sometimes perceptual cues and principles aren't so clear cut and are subject to interpretation. Students may still be able to justify alternatives like those seen above, and that's beautiful learning. Players are free to discuss the quiz and their responses as they desire, but please do not discuss host communications pertaining to the quiz (or anything). Future quizzes may be a bit tougher.

Night 1 has ended.

Hally has been eliminated. They were:

Spoiler: show
Town 2-shot vigilante (N1+3 only)

KZA has been eliminated. He was:

Spoiler: show
Mafia 2-shot role cop

Day 2 is underway. You have 48 hours to place your votes. Also note that a screenshot of the Day 1 final poll has been added to the thread's first post. I will update everyone's post caps momentarily.
@HALLY FOR ONCE I WAS RIGHT ON YOU
i am proud
huh? didnt you hardpush them throughout the entirety of d1?

no i called them v then subconsciously sheeped vulgards scumread and then found them v again at eod when i thought about it for two seconds

#1704

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:02 am @Chloe Chleb!

hi morl!
wheres your head at
kinda think you're wolfin broski ngl
help me out

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:02 am @Chloe -

i gotta admit, a big part of the reason why i said that you were "tonally uncomfortable" was because of the way that you talked about the dynamic between me and sunbae in this post: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 54#p801154. reading that post activated my fight or flight instinct. the specific language of: "Sunbae imemdiately hopping into it and spotting inconsistencies was a big feelsgoodman" was just ...odd, because sunbae wasn't really even pointing out inconsistencies in the guide, and that's not what the main conversation was even about. it felt like an analysis that you made after very briefly skimming through our engagement instead of really digging into it and figuring out what we were talking about

my gut reaction to that post made me interpret the rest of your posts through the lens of: "Chloe Is Hiding Something". i don't really know how i feel about you right now even though i lightly townread your predecessor on d1

i guess inconsistencies isnt the right word to use - but i cant for the life of me think of a better one even though its on the tip of my tongue
in fact its more like.. consistency?
they pointed out that there was similarity in this game to what you think your wolfgame looks like
by inconsistency i kinda meant that there are differences between how you are in this game and how you tell people to find you as a villager

lemme know if this doesnt make sense and i can try to find a way to reword it

also 'it felt like an analysis that you made after very briefly skimming through our engagement instead of really digging into it and figuring out what we were talking about'
spot on
:wowee:

#1705

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:15 pm was thinking a bit while making dinner (coconut curry fish babyyy) and felt dya prob just v

which somewhat buffs my spf paranoia tbh

fwiw, i am not married to my vote on dyachei. they are one of my top suspicions because they are playing to the archetype of how i would expect a wolf in this playerlist to play - focusing heavily on two or three primary reads and reiterating the same main points/logic with some occasionally questionable/eyebrow-raising arguments (ie: dyachei's argument about alison being pinged by her wolf chat and being told that dyachei was calling gavial "LHF", which is a read that i still don't fully understand)

i'm keeping an open mind about them, and even if we live in a world where dyachei is a wolf, they have two other partners for me to find as well. but even if we live in a world where dyachei is a villager, you shouldn't struggle to understand my thought process behind suspecting them/my concerns about them

#1706

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:09 am
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:02 pm - MARL. What the fuck is up with Marl??? I don't smell the spice. I'm going solely off of memory because I can't be assed to ISO the guy right now but I remember not seeing.. anything memorable from him. Which is nagl! Wheres the ego and confidence? Wheres the villa-marl FIRE? Want more. Need more. Gimme more. This can absolutely be a wolf. He's just sidelining and doing a whole lot of nothing. Why isn't he receiving more attention. Is he a wolf going UTR or are wolves just accepting that hes going to be v-read no matter what? I'm leaning the former because.. what the hell has he done to be v-read lol? He feels like a deflated balloon
nevermind you can leave
(this is a joke)

also go iso me
if i have a gigantic ego when i am a guppy in a game full of sharks i'll just end up lookin like an idiot
i'm gonna come out on the other side of this game impressing all of this monster of a playerlist, even if i have to start slow

oh god this is weird
marl why are you weirding me out

i didnt expect you to be fine with me pushing you wtf im not used to this
i've been mentally preparing to have to tell you we're not thunderdoming
wheres the marl i know and love
what did you do to him

i dont want to discourage you from doing your thing
so keep doing your thing
im just niarbing
if you're v im confident i can find you

#1707

i have never seen beta marluxion

my brain does not know what to do

#1708

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having read this and done zero personal factchecking the one I'm most

about is Sunbae, because they came into today trying to get a bunch of cred for KZA and if they really only mentioned them once that's kind of weird

...honestly I care more about that then the people who thought they could be a villager, apart from people with a hard no-bussing meta (which I don't know if anyone in this game has) I think there's a fair amount of WifoM with 'would Mafia actually defend KZA day 1'

(also unrelatedly I think you're misreading my post a bit, I wasn't trying to suggest it was a meme so much as a shrugyeet on someone for being uninspiring moreso than wolfy-except-by-PoE, that might be on me for communicating badly though)

#1709

arete did you just use the wrong 'than' or am i trippin

#1710

Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:07 pm bit busy today ao just a heads up
also i dont know how to post less than 150 times so this'll be a learning process. bear with me

@Vulgard u n me, boo
we're a 3-way masonry with nut
ily

also why the friiiiiiiiiiiiick are people townreading both arete and marl lollllllllllllll
wassup

i do kinda think arete was pocketing vulgard kinda like they did with me in upick
i called it out a couple of times yesterday

#1711

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:11 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:02 am @Chloe -

i gotta admit, a big part of the reason why i said that you were "tonally uncomfortable" was because of the way that you talked about the dynamic between me and sunbae in this post: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 54#p801154. reading that post activated my fight or flight instinct. the specific language of: "Sunbae imemdiately hopping into it and spotting inconsistencies was a big feelsgoodman" was just ...odd, because sunbae wasn't really even pointing out inconsistencies in the guide, and that's not what the main conversation was even about. it felt like an analysis that you made after very briefly skimming through our engagement instead of really digging into it and figuring out what we were talking about

my gut reaction to that post made me interpret the rest of your posts through the lens of: "Chloe Is Hiding Something". i don't really know how i feel about you right now even though i lightly townread your predecessor on d1
i guess inconsistencies isnt the right word to use - but i cant for the life of me think of a better one even though its on the tip of my tongue
in fact its more like.. consistency?
they pointed out that there was similarity in this game to what you think your wolfgame looks like
by inconsistency i kinda meant that there are differences between how you are in this game and how you tell people to find you as a villager

lemme know if this doesnt make sense and i can try to find a way to reword it

also 'it felt like an analysis that you made after very briefly skimming through our engagement instead of really digging into it and figuring out what we were talking about'
spot on
:wowee:

okay, that makes slightly more sense, thanks. the wording of the original post made me think that you saw me and sunbae in a long conversation w/each other and decided to commentate on it without actually reading it, and my gut reaction was suspicion/concern

i just realized that im unconsciously comparing your posts to CoV, where i felt that you were consistently extremely villagery, but that's probably not a fair point of comparison since you were 3p and were probably trying to make your posts sound villagery. maybe the messiness in your posts so far is more villager indicative for you? i don't actually think i know what your village game actually looks like, but i hope we can find each other if you are town

#1712

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:19 am arete did you just use the wrong 'than' or am i trippin

aaaaaaa

#1713

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:19 am
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:07 pm bit busy today ao just a heads up
also i dont know how to post less than 150 times so this'll be a learning process. bear with me

@Vulgard u n me, boo
we're a 3-way masonry with nut
ily

also why the friiiiiiiiiiiiick are people townreading both arete and marl lollllllllllllll
wassup
i do kinda think arete was pocketing vulgard kinda like they did with me in upick
i called it out a couple of times yesterday

I'm not pocketing Vul

we just have a well-established history of reading each other correctly and I wanted to Voltron with him + expected he would be able to find me as a villager due to said well-established history of reading each other correctly

#1714

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:14 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:09 am
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:02 pm - MARL. What the fuck is up with Marl??? I don't smell the spice. I'm going solely off of memory because I can't be assed to ISO the guy right now but I remember not seeing.. anything memorable from him. Which is nagl! Wheres the ego and confidence? Wheres the villa-marl FIRE? Want more. Need more. Gimme more. This can absolutely be a wolf. He's just sidelining and doing a whole lot of nothing. Why isn't he receiving more attention. Is he a wolf going UTR or are wolves just accepting that hes going to be v-read no matter what? I'm leaning the former because.. what the hell has he done to be v-read lol? He feels like a deflated balloon
nevermind you can leave
(this is a joke)

also go iso me
if i have a gigantic ego when i am a guppy in a game full of sharks i'll just end up lookin like an idiot
i'm gonna come out on the other side of this game impressing all of this monster of a playerlist, even if i have to start slow
oh god this is weird
marl why are you weirding me out

i didnt expect you to be fine with me pushing you wtf im not used to this
i've been mentally preparing to have to tell you we're not thunderdoming
wheres the marl i know and love
what did you do to him

i dont want to discourage you from doing your thing
so keep doing your thing
im just niarbing
if you're v im confident i can find you

you're like obvious town from your second post saying you deleted the bit about kza being consensus villager even though he was vigged and a wolf
i'm not going to thunderdome you
my goal this game is to be right and impress with my reads rather than be the last one standing anyway

#1715

Arete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:18 am
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staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:56 am here is my brief summary of everyones posts in this game regarding KZA. this is mostly just for my own personal reference to pinpoint important parts of the game and to form an understanding of how the playerlist was approaching KZA on d1. i'm putting it here for posterity

alison - no references

amy - amy "wants to see more" from kza on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 99#p797999, throws light shade. amy puts kza's name on her list of wolfreads (w/a question mark) on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 01#p798601. says she is not opposed to killing kza on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 52#p799952. changes her mind on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 57#p799957 and says we should just kill gav instead. throws shade on KZA toward the EOD. weh. https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 98#p800198

arete - arete ....kind of shades KZA/implies that KZA is wolfy while also implying that them being chopped is essentially a meme/a pre-determined outcome. shrug. https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 39#p800039

bronana - drops a statement of neutrality on KZA on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 59#p797359. puts kza on the "nullish/mildly wolfy" tier on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 33#p798633. votes for kza on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 69#p799369. suggests killing kza or gavial on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 63#p799863. acts befuddled by some of kza's posts on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 15#p799915. elaborates on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 91#p800091

c4: mildly townleans kza on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 68#p797968 due to the similarity of their posts to CoV. (i'd like c4 to expand on that a little bit, because i thought KZA was playing pretty distinctly from CoV, and it was part of the reason why i wolfread them on d1). asks if he should bother developing a read on KZA on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 31#p800131. agrees that KZA should be killed next on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 39#p800139. (why did c4 think this when he had KZA in his list of mild townleans earlier in the day?) gives associative reads w/a KZA green and red flip on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 57#p800157 and https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 49#p801149

dyachei: lightly shades KZA on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 61#p799861. puts KZA as a wolflean on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p800165

dyslexicon: softly defends and pushes back against the scumreads on KZA on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 83#p800083, https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 85#p800085, https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 97#p800097, and https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 75#p800175

marluxion: softball interaction on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 09#p797409. https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 28#p797428 wow this post didnt age well lol. says that kza/gavial aren't w/w on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 53#p799953. suggest kza or dizzy as a cfd target on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 61#p800061. brings up the downside to voting kza on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 67#p800067

nutella: shades kza on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 62#p799062. (might be the first player in the game to do so?) puts kza on her list of townreads shortly after on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 36#p797236, and says she likes their vibes so far on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 55#p797955. huh? didn't you find his pop-in wolfy just a little bit before making that post? nutella seconds a list that puts kza as a potential wolf on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 02#p798602 only 4 hours after townreading kza. huh??? im getting whiplash

(i read nutella's progression on KZA on the 3rd page of her ISO backwards by accident. it looks much more natural when it's viewed in chronological order. i'm keeping this here because i think it's funny.)

voices support for a KZA wagon on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 73#p799273. calls KZA a wolf on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 58#p799858. votes for KZA on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 79#p799979. continues to reiterate KZA suspicions on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 43#p800043. continues voting KZA but voices support for a gavial wagon as well on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 98#p800098. voices support for killing kza regardless of gavial's flip on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 36#p800136. puts kza at the bottom of her readslist on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 92#p800192. says to vig kza on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 52#p800252.

outed wolf: lightly boosts suspicion against kza on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 67#p799267. (ie: "could see it.")

sunbae: throws out kza's name as a plausible suggestion for an alternative chop to gavial on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p799265. that's it

tangrowth: hedges on kza's alignment on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 13#p798313. puts kza as upper POE on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 56#p799756. dodges hally's question about KZA's placement on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 67#p800167 by saying that it was "off the top of my head". ISOs KZA on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 17#p800217 and comes out feeling unsure why they're being voted. lightly suggests chopping gavial over kza on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 34#p800234 while still not showing a strong preference

vulgard: puts kza in the "no impressions" list on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 08#p797408. calls kza wolfy on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 26#p797526. reiterates the kza suspicion on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 31#p798131. has a brief exchange with kza about his read on them on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 92#p799392.

having read this and done zero personal factchecking the one I'm most about is Sunbae, because they came into today trying to get a bunch of cred for KZA and if they really only mentioned them once that's kind of weird

...honestly I care more about that then the people who thought they could be a villager, apart from people with a hard no-bussing meta (which I don't know if anyone in this game has) I think there's a fair amount of WifoM with 'would Mafia actually defend KZA day 1'

(also unrelatedly I think you're misreading my post a bit, I wasn't trying to suggest it was a meme so much as a shrugyeet on someone for being uninspiring moreso than wolfy-except-by-PoE, that might be on me for communicating badly though)

i like that observation about sunbae because i had a similar concern - i dont understand why sunbae felt that he should be cleared/townread off of his push on KZA when it wasn't really much of a push at all. i concede that sunbae brought up KZA's name at a time when the wagon realistically could have swayed onto them, but there was enough suspicion against KZA in general (from people like nutella/hally/myself) that it's hard for me to really give points for that

my feelings about sunbae are mostly positive i think? but i was slightly put off by that as well

#1716

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:19 am
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:07 pm bit busy today ao just a heads up
also i dont know how to post less than 150 times so this'll be a learning process. bear with me

@Vulgard u n me, boo
we're a 3-way masonry with nut
ily

also why the friiiiiiiiiiiiick are people townreading both arete and marl lollllllllllllll
wassup
i do kinda think arete was pocketing vulgard kinda like they did with me in upick
i called it out a couple of times yesterday

do you have any thoughts on aroot outside of that?

also im not ignoring you telling me to iso you btw
im reading the entire game rn and your posts are included lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:20 am okay, that makes slightly more sense, thanks. the wording of the original post made me think that you saw me and sunbae in a long conversation w/each other and decided to commentate on it without actually reading it, and my gut reaction was suspicion/concern

i just realized that im unconsciously comparing your posts to CoV, where i felt that you were consistently extremely villagery, but that's probably not a fair point of comparison since you were 3p and were probably trying to make your posts sound villagery. maybe the messiness in your posts so far is more villager indicative for you? i don't actually think i know what your village game actually looks like, but i hope we can find each other if you are town

is there anything else in my early posts that gave you the impression that i sound stilted btw? or just that
glad we could clear up the misunderstanding tho

also yeah comparing my posts in this game to CoV isn't the way to go lmao
i had to be INSANELY villagery in that game because i was fuckin poisoned and so was the literal IC
the only way i get healed over the mechcleared person is if i post my ass off and become the villageriest MFer on this planet
lol

#1717

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:11 pm
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:02 pm - Speaking of Aroot, they're weird. Like.. really weird. I cannot for the life of me figure them out, but they're nowhere outside of their wolfrange. I think their HARD focus on Vul is getting to the point where it feels like they're using it as an easy out from providing in-depth thoughts on other matters - and its something very easy for them to latch onto, and super unnecessary. Like.. Vul is pretty much consensus town you dont need to explain 50 times how you s o u l r e a d him. It's weird. Also they brought up quite a few times that Gavial is potentially town, but I didn't see a huge effort to shift votes elsewhere. I also disliked how they treated my slot (Tangrowth) after her opener - and I super vibed with nut's thought process there. I would not be surprised in the slightest if Arete is a wolf. Hope I can sort them today
definitely did not skim to this part of Chloe's readlist and skip everything else

my focus on Vul is because he's the player I feel like I have the best grasp on this game? like, I'm in a game full of players who are mostly better than me, I think in most cases if I try to read SPF or Amy or Visor or whoever I'm just going to come out with a townread no matter what their alignment is, whereas Vul I can actually read him better than most people here, so I'm trying to mostly focus on doing that really well and commenting on other people when I happen to have thoughts.

w.r.t. Gavial I didn't try to shift reads elsewhere for a couple reasons

- I wasn't super confident in the read, I had him as probably villagery but he was playing a bit out of meta and I thought I might just be dumb and failing to see something that everyone else was seeing
- he's Seth so I didn't really care if he got misexe'd, this is a kind of sucky thing to think but it was in fact a consideration
- I was scared that if he was scum and I harddefended him people would think we were partnered

tbh i was like 30% confident on seth being villager but in that case i was fine with policying him anyway because he wasn't doing anything and nothing short of a cop clear would remove him from the PoE

better yesterday than lylo

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1718

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:56 am alison - no references

oof

also you have my stuff out of order. i initially townread his first couple posts but when he subsequently did nothing i quickly turned around on him

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1719

oh you realized the mistake lmao smh

#1720

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:26 am do you have any thoughts on aroot outside of that?

also im not ignoring you telling me to iso you btw
im reading the entire game rn and your posts are included lol

nothing strong on the wolfread side, no, a couple of people i think are probably village
you subbing in and obvtowning the tangy slot is gonna help my poe a ton though because they weren't doing much for me d1
once i catch up on d2 posts im gonna reread d1 while i eat and will post updated thoughts then

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1721

i think tangy, dizzy, marl, and alison look worst on the kza stuff

#1722

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:30 am i think tangy, dizzy, marl, and alison look worst on the kza stuff

i mean
i said yesterday kza and seth weren't w/w because kza's play posturing on seth made absolutely no sense from a partner perspective and i was right

he was where i wanted to vote today if he didn't end up getting hero shot

#1723

KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:25 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.
Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.
now that you mention it alison voicing hesitancy over killing a LHF is strange
I don't think it is, she did a similar thing with me in Congress of Vienna where she was town

thoughts on this post?

im fairly convinced that every other single player that KZA talked about in their ISO (gavial, hally, myself, nutella) is a villager. so after TMI'ing a bunch of people as villagers, does KZA pop in to drop a defense of their wolf partner? is that their style?

#1724

marl reading your posts makes me feel like im hallucinating

i have no clue what to do with calm and collected marl who doesn't OMGUS at every chance he gets

(im sorry if this sounds mean im just currently like.. really taken aback LMAO)

#1725

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:26 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:20 am okay, that makes slightly more sense, thanks. the wording of the original post made me think that you saw me and sunbae in a long conversation w/each other and decided to commentate on it without actually reading it, and my gut reaction was suspicion/concern

i just realized that im unconsciously comparing your posts to CoV, where i felt that you were consistently extremely villagery, but that's probably not a fair point of comparison since you were 3p and were probably trying to make your posts sound villagery. maybe the messiness in your posts so far is more villager indicative for you? i don't actually think i know what your village game actually looks like, but i hope we can find each other if you are town
is there anything else in my early posts that gave you the impression that i sound stilted btw? or just that
glad we could clear up the misunderstanding tho

also yeah comparing my posts in this game to CoV isn't the way to go lmao
i had to be INSANELY villagery in that game because i was fuckin poisoned and so was the literal IC
the only way i get healed over the mechcleared person is if i post my ass off and become the villageriest MFer on this planet
lol

i just took a look at your early posts again and tbh they werent as wolfy as i remembered - i think i was just really put off by that one specific line about sunbae/myself and it made me look at all of your posts in the most suspicious lens that i possibly could. i don't have any other bone to pick with you right now, but i am interested in hearing a general overall of your reads, if you'd be so kind?

#1726

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:32 am marl reading your posts makes me feel like im hallucinating

i have no clue what to do with calm and collected marl who doesn't OMGUS at every chance he gets

(im sorry if this sounds mean im just currently like.. really taken aback LMAO)

ngl my first instinct thinking back on d1 WAS to thunderdome amy since they were one of the loud voices to stay on seth, but i didn't want to seem like i was omgusing her because it'd only make me look worse LMAO
i haven't even got to the posts where she voted me yet i just saw that she was at the top

#1727

SPF, thoughts on Zacks kza posts/progression?

#1728

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:31 am
KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:25 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.
Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.
now that you mention it alison voicing hesitancy over killing a LHF is strange
I don't think it is, she did a similar thing with me in Congress of Vienna where she was town
thoughts on this post?

im fairly convinced that every other single player that KZA talked about in their ISO (gavial, hally, myself, nutella) is a villager. so after TMI'ing a bunch of people as villagers, does KZA pop in to drop a defense of their wolf partner? is that their style?

i think the takeaway from that post should be different
it's possible alison is also town but i think bronana should be p close to hard v from the way kza is talking to him

#1729

i will say though dyachei's energy this game is almost identical to reflections
they were extremely abrasive in reflections too when being scumread

#1730

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:22 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:15 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:55 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:47 pm it's super frustrating to finally rand town in a game with visor and zack and have them not even explain their shitty reads on me
this is the post, I could have read into the wording wrong but it sounds kinda like implying they are town
I finally randed town in a game with them in it

it's not implying they're town
but the part about their reads on you kinda is
I don't know why you're so hung up about this, and I'm still not sure how I feel about dya myself. The perspective in that post is perfectly normal from either alignment.
okay I'll drop it

what's your read on dya atm

I'd kill gavial or kza. I acknowledge they are the most low hanging fruits, but I find their contributions extremely lacking regardless and don't feel remotely confident about killing off anyone else.

Yeah nah he's fine move along people

#1731

also i want to say in my own defense

there is no universe i push seth d1 knowing he's a villager with what he is doing this game
the dude is like a time bomb and the longer he stays around the greater the chance the village has of imploding
i'd need to see the names on his end wagon (idk if there is a way to check that) but i want to say it probably wasn't extremely scum motivated

#1732

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:33 am SPF, thoughts on Zacks kza posts/progression?

the placement of kza in this post is the exact spot where wolves often put their partners - https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 59#p797359

same w/this one - https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 33#p798633

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 69#p799369 - i like that zack is proactive about his concerns about kza in this post and goes out of his way to vote them. it eases some of the concern i had from the prior 2 posts that they were attempting to just lightly shade kza while still keeping them in the upper POE

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 63#p799863 - i have little thoughts about this

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 15#p799915 - i like them bringing attention to this inconsistency with the timing that he did - it'd be pretty easy for zack as a wolf to just coast through the EOD, and him going out of his way to point out this progression is villagery i guess

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 68#p799968 - if i wanted to be uncharitable, i could frame this as zack trying to ensure the chop steered in the direction of a gavial chop, but the gavial chop was such a foregone conclusion at this point that there's not any real point for w!zack to make this post. this was similar to my perspective at the time as well, so i can't fault him

i think that zack comes out of the KZA stuff looking pretty alright. not outside of the range of a wolf trying to bus their partner but nothing overly suspicious, and some stuff that i do genuinely like

#1733

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:35 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:31 am
KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:25 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.
Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.
now that you mention it alison voicing hesitancy over killing a LHF is strange
I don't think it is, she did a similar thing with me in Congress of Vienna where she was town
thoughts on this post?

im fairly convinced that every other single player that KZA talked about in their ISO (gavial, hally, myself, nutella) is a villager. so after TMI'ing a bunch of people as villagers, does KZA pop in to drop a defense of their wolf partner? is that their style?
i think the takeaway from that post should be different
it's possible alison is also town but i think bronana should be p close to hard v from the way kza is talking to him

interesting point. could you expand? what's the way that kza is talking to bronana in this post?

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1734

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:02 am @Chloe -

i gotta admit, a big part of the reason why i said that you were "tonally uncomfortable" was because of the way that you talked about the dynamic between me and sunbae in this post: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 54#p801154. reading that post activated my fight or flight instinct. the specific language of: "Sunbae imemdiately hopping into it and spotting inconsistencies was a big feelsgoodman" was just ...odd, because sunbae wasn't really even pointing out inconsistencies in the guide, and that's not what the main conversation was even about. it felt like an analysis that you made after very briefly skimming through our engagement instead of really digging into it and figuring out what we were talking about

my gut reaction to that post made me interpret the rest of your posts through the lens of: "Chloe Is Hiding Something". i don't really know how i feel about you right now even though i lightly townread your predecessor on d1

ive seen the exchange following this post but just want to say that i dont understand this take at all. chloe doesn't have to fully unpack all the ins and outs of the argument to make the observation that sunbae investigating stuff like that is villagery

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:31 am
KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:25 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.
Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.
now that you mention it alison voicing hesitancy over killing a LHF is strange
I don't think it is, she did a similar thing with me in Congress of Vienna where she was town
thoughts on this post?

im fairly convinced that every other single player that KZA talked about in their ISO (gavial, hally, myself, nutella) is a villager. so after TMI'ing a bunch of people as villagers, does KZA pop in to drop a defense of their wolf partner? is that their style?

this is def the one i was most concerned about -- i think the previous kza stuff was likely all tmi, but this one hits different somehow, and i think kza/alison can be teammates

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:35 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:31 am
KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:25 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.
Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.
now that you mention it alison voicing hesitancy over killing a LHF is strange
I don't think it is, she did a similar thing with me in Congress of Vienna where she was town
thoughts on this post?

im fairly convinced that every other single player that KZA talked about in their ISO (gavial, hally, myself, nutella) is a villager. so after TMI'ing a bunch of people as villagers, does KZA pop in to drop a defense of their wolf partner? is that their style?
i think the takeaway from that post should be different
it's possible alison is also town but i think bronana should be p close to hard v from the way kza is talking to him

perhaps thats a good point too aaa

damn i just
love agreeing with half my wolfreads about the other half of my wolfreads

#1735

Any thoughts on Amy or dyslexicon SPF?

#1736

@nutella - the point is that chloe's summary of the conversation between me/sunbae wasn't just a basic observation - it was straight up incorrect about the stuff we were talking about, and it felt like chloe was making reads based off of posts that she wasn't actually reading. i understand her perspective more after talking with her, and i no longer have an issue w/that specific post

#1737

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:41 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:35 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:31 am
KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:25 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.
Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.
now that you mention it alison voicing hesitancy over killing a LHF is strange
I don't think it is, she did a similar thing with me in Congress of Vienna where she was town
thoughts on this post?

im fairly convinced that every other single player that KZA talked about in their ISO (gavial, hally, myself, nutella) is a villager. so after TMI'ing a bunch of people as villagers, does KZA pop in to drop a defense of their wolf partner? is that their style?
i think the takeaway from that post should be different
it's possible alison is also town but i think bronana should be p close to hard v from the way kza is talking to him
interesting point. could you expand? what's the way that kza is talking to bronana in this post?

it looks like he's genuinely trying to convince him, you dont need to do that to a wolfmate in thread, there's no point

#1738

I don't think your argument holds much water marl

Wolves have conversational stuff all the time and that post is hardly going to any effort to really convince zack

#1739

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:41 am perhaps thats a good point too aaa

damn i just
love agreeing with half my wolfreads about the other half of my wolfreads

i may be your wolfread but that does not change the fact that i am town

#1740

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:46 am I don't think your argument holds much water marl

Wolves have conversational stuff all the time and that post is hardly going to any effort to really convince zack

disagree
the tone isn't nearly rambly enough to look like wolves theatering together
he would have put in more words if he was just trying to look like he was thinking

#1741

to me at least it looks like it's either kza posturing to bronana for if alison flipped v or kza trying to convince bronana not to wolfread his mate
both of which imply bronana to be a villager

#1742

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:43 am Any thoughts on Amy or dyslexicon SPF?

i feel like i should wolfread dyslexicon for their posts about KZA toward the EOD, but i don't

any wolfteam with basic gamestate awareness would be aware that KZA's days were numbered, and there were multiple calls for KZA to be vigged/killed regardless of gavial's flip. what does dizzy gain by dropping a hard and passionate defense of KZA right as the day was ending? i doubt that he thought that he could single handedly change peoples opinions on KZA within the short amount of time left within d1, and i remain feeling that dizzy is more likely to be a villager than to be a wolf

honestly, i think that amy's progression on KZA is wolfy on paper. it looks like a textbook w/w progression - amy throws shade on KZA throughout d1 that grows incrementally with the thread consensus, but does not go out of her way to spearhead suspicion against them, and makes posts that push the game in the direction of a gavial chop while still positioning themselves in a good way by saying to "kill KZA with prejudice" right before the day ended

i'm trying to reconcile my concern about amy's progression on KZA with my general good feelings about her on d1. i don't have an answer for you yet

#1743

Okay. Do you think dya/Amy can be teamed? In the world where they are wolves who is the third

#1744

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:40 pm
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:27 pm why is literally nobody engaging with me on my marl read

this is legit one of the things i said was weird about his slot
and its still happening!!!

am i crazy?

ive gotta go for a bit but like
whatze heck
welcome to the sunbae/outed wolf/bronana "why the heck do people think marl is so town" club, we have jackets

can i join

#1745

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:46 pm chloe's tone feels a little ....stilted to me? i just get a really distinct sense of discomfort from the way that she's speaking, and i don't know if that's typical for her towngame. this is a half-developed thought but i'm speaking it into existence in hopes that it'll go somewhere

i will die on the hill of chloe being town
i have 10,000,000,000% confidence in this read

#1746

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:53 am Okay. Do you think dya/Amy can be teamed? In the world where they are wolves who is the third

my brain doesnt really work like that tbh - i dont know who the third wolf would be in a dya/amy wolf world because a world where dya/amy get revealed as wolves would have a lot of context and information that i can't reasonably deduce. there is nothing that makes it impossible for amy/dya to be wolves based on a brief skim of amy's progression on dya, but it isn't a world that i have any reason to find particularly likely

how about you? who are you the most concerned about right now? where's ur head at?

#1747

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:26 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:19 pm who are teh wolves arete
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

all I have are townreads and nulls (pending sorting Chloe)

idk
i think this is probably v indicative for arete
it might be uber tiny brain but i think wolf arete forces themselves to give some weird wifomy list of 3 rather than just saying this

#1748

okay. ill admit i think along similar lines, so i don't really have an answer for you lol.

ill answer in a bit - gimme some time to write up a post

#1749

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:33 am but i am interested in hearing a general overall of your reads, if you'd be so kind?

yeah sure
keep in mind this is almost all based on today's events, d1 events that have been discussed by people today, and things that i skimmed at a surface level on d1

i can do another one of these when im all caught up and see what changes

nut - towntowntown. i've gotten to the point of the game where i've started to read nut's posts as if they are coming from a literal IC - the exact same feeling i had in CoV. for whatever reason when i start to explain my townread on her my brain goes 'chloe thats a waste of time you dont even know how to put it into words' but basically i think shes just pure as all hell, and increeeedibly transparent. i can see every hop from place to place and i can feel all the paranoia and concern and excitement in her head from every post she makes. some of her thoughts are super intricate and also unnecessary for a wolf to fake in the first place. like.. the dream shit, and her visceral reaction to your vote. also her progression on me is about what i expected from her. ive never seen her play as a wolf so all my knowledge on her scumgame is from secondary sources - but i dont think this is it

vul - towwwwwwwn. hes so townie. hes thought vomiting all over the place - and i've vibed with a good bit of his stuff. this doesnt feel like what i remember of his scumgame. He feels incredibly comfortable - hes not overwhelmed or intimidated, and hes just straight up chillin'. hes had quite a few pendulum reads but thats normal. tone is great, content is great, depth of thought is great. its all great. also arete says hes town so thats cool too

sunbae - i've vibed with their posts today. i admittedly empathize with his posts about how he feels like he isnt playing a huge part in this game and how hes the 'loser friend' and i cant help but give townreads to those as much as i try not to. i think their interaction with you yesterday felt pure like they were genuinely trying to figure you out, and the backtrack felt natural

c4 - the whole 'im being ignored' attitude from him i find to be very villagery. he doesnt sound like a wolf saying 'guys i had this read before all of you, give me credit!' but moreso like a villager who is like 'bitch thats MY read why tf is nobody reading my posts!' hes also acting nothing like CoV, and if thats anything to go off of in terms of his normal wolfgame, i'd say hes straight up just a villager. he feels much more like he has his head in the game

amy - i've really liked her on a tonal level. it kinda just feels like she doesnt give a damn how shes percieved which i tend to find villagery. (shes in my priority list of people to figure out ftr)

spf - hello i am a see-saw. a fence-sitter. the definition of hedge. im unsure of your alignment but i cant tell how much of that is due to the fact that i got absolutely snowed by you in CoV and want to prevent that from happening again. i really disliked how you said im 'stilted' earler but after our chat just now im find brushing that off as a misunderstanding. i didnt like how you brought up your 'how to find me as town' guide at such an early hour, and it just felt super icky to me i dont know why! idk! i think your content today other than the early take on me is all rather solid (i also have a really stupid read that you'd be hardbussing a partner by now and i dont really get that vibe lol). c4 claims to be able to soulread you or something, and i townread c4 so that makes me feel inclined to bump you up a bit

arete - mmmmmmrrrrrrrrr. probably just a villager? if you dont mind i'd actually like to hold off on my detailed thoughts on them rn because i wanna let them marinate for a bit - and i also want to talk to vulgard

marl - lol. i still think the guy is >rand w just from the giant nothingburger that is his iso, and his recent reactions to me pushing him are not at ALL what i'd expect from him as a villager? im trying to see a world where he is one though and not mindlessly tunnel him, and i can see an argument for his behavior being because of the playerlist, but god its just so offputting. it feels like an alien took control of his body. i want more from him and i think i can figure him out. probably. hopefully.

everyone else i have like.. nooooooo thoughts on pretty much
nothing that stands out at least

#1750

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:56 pm "c4 getting tilted at people agreeing with him completely but not acknowledging his existence"
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