Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[Gavial]

It HAS TO BE BECAUSE OF ME!

[Long Con]

Long Con looks bad here, contributes to Made's wagon close to EoD after acknowledging that he is not aware of what Made was being suspected for.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 85#p795385

I've posted this three times, I dont remember him addressing it.

@Long Con

I can't find this post where he claims I acknowledged unawareness.

[Long Con]

It HAS TO BE BECAUSE OF ME!

No it doesn't.

[hawkataine]

Spoiler: show

@hawkataine hey hawk, I was trying to remember but do you just make charts as town? I'm trying to remember if you also do them as scum or not. But I also don't recall a lot of your scum games.

Sometimes I do them as scum for ez town cred but that likely wouldn't work here lol
Also I don't remember how to play scum tbh tbh

@Owner of a Lonely Heart you're here!

Did you target JJJ?

I sent a fruit. It doesn't do much. The person I sent it to hasn't brought it up yet.

This definitely implies owner is actually caught up in which case all of my suspicions on her are valid

Well, unless I'm not following then maybe I'm drunk too

who's maf

I'm bothered by Belzy's lack of well, Belzy, and Owner just pinged me. Still don't know what Bunny is doing.

Hawks vote timing was poor too, but I'm not sold on Made.

Have only been skimming the thread at work so am behind, getting there.

hi this sounds like you know I'm town

Actually, let's just go back to [VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

You and Hawk still have scum equity.
IDGAF what you say.

this is a hilarious concept, I had two whole fights with guillo and everything (ily rly guillo)

gavial around this point is enjoying a very binary view of mafia where everyone who does what he says is town and everyone who doesn't is probs scum. Like I really don't know why he wants me dead this bad, possibly he came up with a genius plan overnight, but surely he has a strong enough grasp on mechanics to know his 'red check' is really not a red check

If your town and you vote scum.
You’ll have a lesser chance of getting ML’ed.
Just saying.

This is to bad bunny. It's like he's trying to save her except that I'm not gonna flip scum so his world makes no sense. He's actually done a lot of post-me-flipping-scum worldbuilding which is the thing that has me thinking he is town, but also I think I remember seeing that kind of logic in the scum game he was just in on MafC.

How much do you wanna make a bet one the players visiting Jay was some kind of after death effector but they couldn’t get their kill through due to me preventing Hawk from attacking.

This is like acknowledging that he knows JJJ was the scum NK?? Which doesn't add up because... I didn't go anywhere. So like, what world is this post referring to unless it's a slip???

Why not. Let's see how this sits.

[VOTE: hawkataine] aubergine

After being told gavial wasn't joking about the red check.
This isn't for reactions because you already said you liked my reaction. So how on earth is gavial's 100th post about this the one that finally tipped tha balance for you?

Why did bad bunny come to the thread and say things (barely) without so much as acknowledging the severe suspicion heaped upon her?

I mean this isn't true. Admittedly her comments were not compelling but she did acknowledge she was likely to be yeeted at some point

Going back to gavial briefly, he's super keen to come up with elaborate reasons why extra people were visiting JJJ but super not keen to come up with elaborate reasons why I might not have had the NK. Idk what this meaaaaans

I’m developing a new theory, would like some feedback on it:

Owner is town.

Interesting theory. What do you think of the fruit vender thing and of Owner's disappearance in the thread? Could you give some details that would back up the theory?

"Fruit vendor" is an atypical claim to make and the kind of thing that would almost certainly have to be at least somewhat tied to a real role, because it's too bizarre for someone, when pressed for a roleclaim, to blurt out "I gave someone fruit!" when there is an entire world of more common abilities available to players in mafia games.
Owner's "disappearance" can be attributed to anything. I will not provide an answer for her on that question.

Owner is probably the only person I would ever actively expect to claim fruit vendor if pressured fwiw

hey gav pls weigh in on literally any of this ty

[Gavial]

Spoiler: show

@hawkataine hey hawk, I was trying to remember but do you just make charts as town? I'm trying to remember if you also do them as scum or not. But I also don't recall a lot of your scum games.

Sometimes I do them as scum for ez town cred but that likely wouldn't work here lol
Also I don't remember how to play scum tbh tbh

@Owner of a Lonely Heart you're here!

Did you target JJJ?

I sent a fruit. It doesn't do much. The person I sent it to hasn't brought it up yet.

This definitely implies owner is actually caught up in which case all of my suspicions on her are valid

Well, unless I'm not following then maybe I'm drunk too

who's maf

I'm bothered by Belzy's lack of well, Belzy, and Owner just pinged me. Still don't know what Bunny is doing.

Hawks vote timing was poor too, but I'm not sold on Made.

Have only been skimming the thread at work so am behind, getting there.

hi this sounds like you know I'm town

Actually, let's just go back to [VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

You and Hawk still have scum equity.
IDGAF what you say.

this is a hilarious concept, I had two whole fights with guillo and everything (ily rly guillo)

gavial around this point is enjoying a very binary view of mafia where everyone who does what he says is town and everyone who doesn't is probs scum. Like I really don't know why he wants me dead this bad, possibly he came up with a genius plan overnight, but surely he has a strong enough grasp on mechanics to know his 'red check' is really not a red check

If your town and you vote scum.
You’ll have a lesser chance of getting ML’ed.
Just saying.

This is to bad bunny. It's like he's trying to save her except that I'm not gonna flip scum so his world makes no sense. He's actually done a lot of post-me-flipping-scum worldbuilding which is the thing that has me thinking he is town, but also I think I remember seeing that kind of logic in the scum game he was just in on MafC.

How much do you wanna make a bet one the players visiting Jay was some kind of after death effector but they couldn’t get their kill through due to me preventing Hawk from attacking.

This is like acknowledging that he knows JJJ was the scum NK?? Which doesn't add up because... I didn't go anywhere. So like, what world is this post referring to unless it's a slip???

Why not. Let's see how this sits.

[VOTE: hawkataine] aubergine

After being told gavial wasn't joking about the red check.
This isn't for reactions because you already said you liked my reaction. So how on earth is gavial's 100th post about this the one that finally tipped tha balance for you?

Why did bad bunny come to the thread and say things (barely) without so much as acknowledging the severe suspicion heaped upon her?

I mean this isn't true. Admittedly her comments were not compelling but she did acknowledge she was likely to be yeeted at some point

Going back to gavial briefly, he's super keen to come up with elaborate reasons why extra people were visiting JJJ but super not keen to come up with elaborate reasons why I might not have had the NK. Idk what this meaaaaans

I’m developing a new theory, would like some feedback on it:

Owner is town.

Interesting theory. What do you think of the fruit vender thing and of Owner's disappearance in the thread? Could you give some details that would back up the theory?

"Fruit vendor" is an atypical claim to make and the kind of thing that would almost certainly have to be at least somewhat tied to a real role, because it's too bizarre for someone, when pressed for a roleclaim, to blurt out "I gave someone fruit!" when there is an entire world of more common abilities available to players in mafia games.
Owner's "disappearance" can be attributed to anything. I will not provide an answer for her on that question.

Owner is probably the only person I would ever actively expect to claim fruit vendor if pressured fwiw

hey gav pls weigh in on literally any of this ty

Your Right!
Sonny could be your partner!

[hawkataine]

Spoiler: show

@hawkataine hey hawk, I was trying to remember but do you just make charts as town? I'm trying to remember if you also do them as scum or not. But I also don't recall a lot of your scum games.

Sometimes I do them as scum for ez town cred but that likely wouldn't work here lol
Also I don't remember how to play scum tbh tbh

@Owner of a Lonely Heart you're here!

Did you target JJJ?

I sent a fruit. It doesn't do much. The person I sent it to hasn't brought it up yet.

This definitely implies owner is actually caught up in which case all of my suspicions on her are valid

Well, unless I'm not following then maybe I'm drunk too

who's maf

I'm bothered by Belzy's lack of well, Belzy, and Owner just pinged me. Still don't know what Bunny is doing.

Hawks vote timing was poor too, but I'm not sold on Made.

Have only been skimming the thread at work so am behind, getting there.

hi this sounds like you know I'm town

Actually, let's just go back to [VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

You and Hawk still have scum equity.
IDGAF what you say.

this is a hilarious concept, I had two whole fights with guillo and everything (ily rly guillo)

gavial around this point is enjoying a very binary view of mafia where everyone who does what he says is town and everyone who doesn't is probs scum. Like I really don't know why he wants me dead this bad, possibly he came up with a genius plan overnight, but surely he has a strong enough grasp on mechanics to know his 'red check' is really not a red check

If your town and you vote scum.
You’ll have a lesser chance of getting ML’ed.
Just saying.

This is to bad bunny. It's like he's trying to save her except that I'm not gonna flip scum so his world makes no sense. He's actually done a lot of post-me-flipping-scum worldbuilding which is the thing that has me thinking he is town, but also I think I remember seeing that kind of logic in the scum game he was just in on MafC.

How much do you wanna make a bet one the players visiting Jay was some kind of after death effector but they couldn’t get their kill through due to me preventing Hawk from attacking.

This is like acknowledging that he knows JJJ was the scum NK?? Which doesn't add up because... I didn't go anywhere. So like, what world is this post referring to unless it's a slip???

Why not. Let's see how this sits.

[VOTE: hawkataine] aubergine

After being told gavial wasn't joking about the red check.
This isn't for reactions because you already said you liked my reaction. So how on earth is gavial's 100th post about this the one that finally tipped tha balance for you?

Why did bad bunny come to the thread and say things (barely) without so much as acknowledging the severe suspicion heaped upon her?

I mean this isn't true. Admittedly her comments were not compelling but she did acknowledge she was likely to be yeeted at some point

Going back to gavial briefly, he's super keen to come up with elaborate reasons why extra people were visiting JJJ but super not keen to come up with elaborate reasons why I might not have had the NK. Idk what this meaaaaans

I’m developing a new theory, would like some feedback on it:

Owner is town.

Interesting theory. What do you think of the fruit vender thing and of Owner's disappearance in the thread? Could you give some details that would back up the theory?

"Fruit vendor" is an atypical claim to make and the kind of thing that would almost certainly have to be at least somewhat tied to a real role, because it's too bizarre for someone, when pressed for a roleclaim, to blurt out "I gave someone fruit!" when there is an entire world of more common abilities available to players in mafia games.
Owner's "disappearance" can be attributed to anything. I will not provide an answer for her on that question.

Owner is probably the only person I would ever actively expect to claim fruit vendor if pressured fwiw

hey gav pls weigh in on literally any of this ty

Your Right!
Sonny could be your partner!

thanks that's cleared a lot up for me and really answered my questions around your play

[Gavial]

Spoiler: show

@hawkataine hey hawk, I was trying to remember but do you just make charts as town? I'm trying to remember if you also do them as scum or not. But I also don't recall a lot of your scum games.

Sometimes I do them as scum for ez town cred but that likely wouldn't work here lol
Also I don't remember how to play scum tbh tbh

@Owner of a Lonely Heart you're here!

Did you target JJJ?

I sent a fruit. It doesn't do much. The person I sent it to hasn't brought it up yet.

This definitely implies owner is actually caught up in which case all of my suspicions on her are valid

Well, unless I'm not following then maybe I'm drunk too

who's maf

I'm bothered by Belzy's lack of well, Belzy, and Owner just pinged me. Still don't know what Bunny is doing.

Hawks vote timing was poor too, but I'm not sold on Made.

Have only been skimming the thread at work so am behind, getting there.

hi this sounds like you know I'm town

Actually, let's just go back to [VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

You and Hawk still have scum equity.
IDGAF what you say.

this is a hilarious concept, I had two whole fights with guillo and everything (ily rly guillo)

gavial around this point is enjoying a very binary view of mafia where everyone who does what he says is town and everyone who doesn't is probs scum. Like I really don't know why he wants me dead this bad, possibly he came up with a genius plan overnight, but surely he has a strong enough grasp on mechanics to know his 'red check' is really not a red check

If your town and you vote scum.
You’ll have a lesser chance of getting ML’ed.
Just saying.

This is to bad bunny. It's like he's trying to save her except that I'm not gonna flip scum so his world makes no sense. He's actually done a lot of post-me-flipping-scum worldbuilding which is the thing that has me thinking he is town, but also I think I remember seeing that kind of logic in the scum game he was just in on MafC.

How much do you wanna make a bet one the players visiting Jay was some kind of after death effector but they couldn’t get their kill through due to me preventing Hawk from attacking.

This is like acknowledging that he knows JJJ was the scum NK?? Which doesn't add up because... I didn't go anywhere. So like, what world is this post referring to unless it's a slip???

Why not. Let's see how this sits.

[VOTE: hawkataine] aubergine

After being told gavial wasn't joking about the red check.
This isn't for reactions because you already said you liked my reaction. So how on earth is gavial's 100th post about this the one that finally tipped tha balance for you?

Why did bad bunny come to the thread and say things (barely) without so much as acknowledging the severe suspicion heaped upon her?

I mean this isn't true. Admittedly her comments were not compelling but she did acknowledge she was likely to be yeeted at some point

Going back to gavial briefly, he's super keen to come up with elaborate reasons why extra people were visiting JJJ but super not keen to come up with elaborate reasons why I might not have had the NK. Idk what this meaaaaans

I’m developing a new theory, would like some feedback on it:

Owner is town.

Interesting theory. What do you think of the fruit vender thing and of Owner's disappearance in the thread? Could you give some details that would back up the theory?

"Fruit vendor" is an atypical claim to make and the kind of thing that would almost certainly have to be at least somewhat tied to a real role, because it's too bizarre for someone, when pressed for a roleclaim, to blurt out "I gave someone fruit!" when there is an entire world of more common abilities available to players in mafia games.
Owner's "disappearance" can be attributed to anything. I will not provide an answer for her on that question.

Owner is probably the only person I would ever actively expect to claim fruit vendor if pressured fwiw

hey gav pls weigh in on literally any of this ty

Your Right!
Sonny could be your partner!

thanks that's cleared a lot up for me and really answered my questions around your play

Your Welcome!

[Gavial]

It HAS TO BE BECAUSE OF ME!

No it doesn't.

How else you explain lack of Night kill, especially if it happens again tomorrow due to again my night action.

[Guillotine]

Idk man it really reads like mafia forced into claiming before they were ready to

If this is town idek I won't try to make any more reads this game ig

owner has "post nothing for 24 hours straight smd" in their range though so how can they ever actually be forced to do anything before they're ready lol

It's called slanking until you develop a cover.

[hawkataine]

It HAS TO BE BECAUSE OF ME!

No it doesn't.

How else you explain lack of Night kill, especially if it happens again tomorrow due to again my night action.

again, deeply concerning to me that you think I'd be trusted with the kill again but also have the imagination to come up with a gravedigger or whatever the hell that role speculation was on JJJ visits earlier
like I get literally zero sense that you're hunting a team, and that's an issue

would appreciate some perspective on town!gavial if anyone's got any?

[Guillotine]

Idk man it really reads like mafia forced into claiming before they were ready to

If this is town idek I won't try to make any more reads this game ig

owner has "post nothing for 24 hours straight smd" in their range though so how can they ever actually be forced to do anything before they're ready lol

It's called slanking until you develop a cover.

Like i did in Spiderverse remember?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Still no Seanzie eh

[Gavial]

Still no Seanzie eh

Caught Scum he Is.

[Long Con]

It HAS TO BE BECAUSE OF ME!

No it doesn't.

How else you explain lack of Night kill, especially if it happens again tomorrow due to again my night action.

There are other likely possibilities. I have my own theories. I'm not going to use future speculation in my theories, especially coming from you, because you look more like you're closing your eyes and yelling rather than rationally playing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The Allcrab/bad bunny interplay is mildly frustrating, but for the moment I’ll just shrug. We’ll see what happens.

Watcher is among the strongest town roles, and its strength is amplified in closed role madness. Two of them is a bit hard to believe.

[Gavial]

It HAS TO BE BECAUSE OF ME!

No it doesn't.

How else you explain lack of Night kill, especially if it happens again tomorrow due to again my night action.

There are other likely possibilities. I have my own theories. I'm not going to use future speculation in my theories, especially coming from you, because you look more like you're closing your eyes and yelling rather than rationally playing.

Ok but what if another night kill is stopped right after I target someone.
Then what?

[Gavial]

The Allcrab/bad bunny interplay is mildly frustrating, but for the moment I’ll just shrug. We’ll see what happens.

Watcher is among the strongest town roles, and its strength is amplified in closed role madness. Two of them is a bit hard to believe.

I mean.
I could see Mafia Watcher/Town Watcher
Or Town Watcher/Town JOAT with Watcher.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@hawkataine why is it so dubious that you’d be trusted with delivering a night kill?

[Sonny]

@Sonny can you expand on how you progressed from having Owner as town in your nutella interactions post, to voting her in your next couple of posts (admittedly a few hours later) because she pinged you?

The interaction looked okay in my overnight review and I hadn't read anything when I posted it. As I was catching up she had done nothing and her claim tweaked me. There's nothing wrong with a flower vendor claim but I have a feeling she's done it before as a fake claim, the biggest thing that made me side eye is there's no reason not to be clear on yes or no I did/did not target Jay, it was a simple question she couldn't answer which looked to me like she wasn't sure what the "correct" answer was. Pretty sure I explained at the time tho.

I'm about 10 pages behind and not going to catch up tonight as my bf is here, if I've missed questions I'll catch them tomorrow.

[Gavial]

I wonder who Hawk was actually going to attack though.

[Guillotine]

What is Allcrab/Fable's alignment?

Open question. I have no strong opinion.

Oh that one too. That one is actually probably mafia exactly for gamestate reasons. I have felt not a single townping from them but every time I articulate suspicion towards them i get shut down in manipulative fashion (or at least it feels manipulative).

I'll take care of him tonight then. If he flips town we sheep his legacy on bunny and blame him postgame if he's wrong.

Wait you're a vigi too? I was going to shoot Gavial tonight and then sheep him on Hawk red if he was town.

[Gavial]

@hawkataine why is it so dubious that you’d be trusted with delivering a night kill?

Oh they want to perform it.
They are trying to push me away but I don’t think that’ll happen

[Gavial]

@MacDougall
Don’t shoot me tonight.

[hawkataine]

@hawkataine why is it so dubious that you’d be trusted with delivering a night kill?

I mean specifically in gavial's fantasy where he's caught me and I'm quaking in my boots and he's threatening to block me again tomorrow night
his perspective just makes no sense to me

[Gavial]

Or your throwing.

[hawkataine]

@Sonny can you expand on how you progressed from having Owner as town in your nutella interactions post, to voting her in your next couple of posts (admittedly a few hours later) because she pinged you?

The interaction looked okay in my overnight review and I hadn't read anything when I posted it. As I was catching up she had done nothing and her claim tweaked me. There's nothing wrong with a flower vendor claim but I have a feeling she's done it before as a fake claim, the biggest thing that made me side eye is there's no reason not to be clear on yes or no I did/did not target Jay, it was a simple question she couldn't answer which looked to me like she wasn't sure what the "correct" answer was. Pretty sure I explained at the time tho.

I'm about 10 pages behind and not going to catch up tonight as my bf is here, if I've missed questions I'll catch them tomorrow.

I guess I'm surprised that you put owner in the same tier as e.g. nanook in that reads list and yet rescinded so easily
noted

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@hawkataine why is it so dubious that you’d be trusted with delivering a night kill?

I mean specifically in gavial's fantasy where he's caught me and I'm quaking in my boots and he's threatening to block me again tomorrow night
his perspective just makes no sense to me

Okay. So to be clear then, you don’t think it’s absurd for someone to believe that you could have tried to deliver the Night 1 kill?

[Alison]

dude I'm not gonna swallow one of the most coincidental and convenient role claims I have ever seen which incidentally makes no sense with your past behavior just because you said you breadcrumbed it. Any sane watcher would hardclaim there to avoid getting into the exact same scenario you're in right now and repeating you are clear doesn't make you clear.

[Alison]

Show me just one piece of evidence that proves you are watcher other than "I breadcrumbed it" because I've breadcrumbed all kinds of shit as scum.

[hawkataine]

@hawkataine why is it so dubious that you’d be trusted with delivering a night kill?

I mean specifically in gavial's fantasy where he's caught me and I'm quaking in my boots and he's threatening to block me again tomorrow night
his perspective just makes no sense to me

Okay. So to be clear then, you don’t think it’s absurd for someone to believe that you could have tried to deliver the Night 1 kill?

I believe I have already said that I wouldn't have agreed to that, but that's kind of immaterial. I don't object to people holding that opinion as much.
But I really am more concerned about his mindset than like actual mechanics and wifom here, this is not a defense or an omgus, this is trying to figure out what his brain is doing

[Guillotine]

What are you guys saying about bunny's play here? She's a timid wolf?

There was no way she wouldn't have voted made if she was scum. If made is also scum with bunny and nutella, she would have still voted made because nutella being alive would have been more useful for the scum team with what was happening in the thread.

And she voted nutella?

Wait, Bunny voted Nutella?

I think she voted guillo

Wut, I had Guillo as town D1

Why did you have me as town D1? What about D2?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@bad bunny why are Alison and I a concern to you?

[Actvscenei]

@Gavial, can you list all the roles in this game and who completed what action last night phase? If not, you cannot confirm that you are the reason no kill happened. So do more than just say you have a red check on Hawk and that we all need to vote there.

I do not believe Owner’s claim. I agree with Nanook that the thought process doesn’t match up. Owner responded to Seanzie’s question about if she targeted Jay with “I sent fruit to someone, but idk if they got it.” It’s a non answer because it doesn’t directly address whether she targeted Jay. “Someone” could mean anyone. Why not say she sent fruit to Jay at that moment? Why be sneaky about that? If Owner did in fact send fruit to Jay and Gavial, upon the start of D2, and seeing that Jay and Gavial are bedding it up tonight, she would know immediately that it was her doing. Because what are the chances the two lovers are the two she sent fruit to? This is a large game. No way she doesn’t know what her fruit has done. So to answer that question so vaguely is not helpful. The only motive I can see is not wanting to claim BUT she did claim so why equivocate there? There’s no need.

Then, she says the person who she sent fruit to hasn’t claimed receiving fruit. The “person.” Singular. In this post, apparently she sent fruit to only one person. And she doesn’t know whether that one person received it. Well, that’s a lie. She did know because like I said before, she doesn’t enter D1 not knowing that info after seeing the date announcement. But also...why reduce her recipients from two to one?

6484784928474 years later, Owner returns with a fully fleshed claim that contradicts what she previously announced. Now she confirms Jay as a target AND Gavial and she did know they received the fruit, although neither of them are aware of receiving fruit (which I don’t take with too much weight because maybe they wouldn’t know).

This claim does not make sense. The only hold up then is...why would Owner create this elaborate claim without knowing if someone could cc the date mechanic? Maybe...

Owner knows how the date happened. I’ve played a game in which lovers engage and then one dies. (Owner was the torturer, I died). Maybe this date setup is a scum mechanic and Owner knows one of Jay or Gavial will die at the end of the date?? Maybe Owner set up the date as scum or maybe a scum buddy did and is in cahoots with this plan to shield Owner.

[Actvscenei]

EBWOP: enter D2, not D1

[Guillotine]

LoMo has also credibly claimed a Watcher type role and has been spewed town from nutella.

So your reads are seriously off the mark and grant no confidence at all that you are a force for good.

Do you mean this in an alignment indicative sense?

[Long Con]

It HAS TO BE BECAUSE OF ME!

No it doesn't.

How else you explain lack of Night kill, especially if it happens again tomorrow due to again my night action.

There are other likely possibilities. I have my own theories. I'm not going to use future speculation in my theories, especially coming from you, because you look more like you're closing your eyes and yelling rather than rationally playing.

Ok but what if another night kill is stopped right after I target someone.
Then what?

Same answer: your block is one possibility of many, and is not a lock.

[Long Con]

@Gavial, can you list all the roles in this game and who completed what action last night phase? If not, you cannot confirm that you are the reason no kill happened. So do more than just say you have a red check on Hawk and that we all need to vote there.

I do not believe Owner’s claim. I agree with Nanook that the thought process doesn’t match up. Owner responded to Seanzie’s question about if she targeted Jay with “I sent fruit to someone, but idk if they got it.” It’s a non answer because it doesn’t directly address whether she targeted Jay. “Someone” could mean anyone. Why not say she sent fruit to Jay at that moment? Why be sneaky about that? If Owner did in fact send fruit to Jay and Gavial, upon the start of D2, and seeing that Jay and Gavial are bedding it up tonight, she would know immediately that it was her doing. Because what are the chances the two lovers are the two she sent fruit to? This is a large game. No way she doesn’t know what her fruit has done. So to answer that question so vaguely is not helpful. The only motive I can see is not wanting to claim BUT she did claim so why equivocate there? There’s no need.

Then, she says the person who she sent fruit to hasn’t claimed receiving fruit. The “person.” Singular. In this post, apparently she sent fruit to only one person. And she doesn’t know whether that one person received it. Well, that’s a lie. She did know because like I said before, she doesn’t enter D1 not knowing that info after seeing the date announcement. But also...why reduce her recipients from two to one?

6484784928474 years later, Owner returns with a fully fleshed claim that contradicts what she previously announced. Now she confirms Jay as a target AND Gavial and she did know they received the fruit, although neither of them are aware of receiving fruit (which I don’t take with too much weight because maybe they wouldn’t know).

This claim does not make sense. The only hold up then is...why would Owner create this elaborate claim without knowing if someone could cc the date mechanic? Maybe...

Owner knows how the date happened. I’ve played a game in which lovers engage and then one dies. (Owner was the torturer, I died). Maybe this date setup is a scum mechanic and Owner knows one of Jay or Gavial will die at the end of the date?? Maybe Owner set up the date as scum or maybe a scum buddy did and is in cahoots with this plan to shield Owner.

Thanks for the recap. If the fruit caused the date, then Owner would have said it was confirmed they received it. [VOTE: Owner] aubergine

[Sonny]

@Sonny can you expand on how you progressed from having Owner as town in your nutella interactions post, to voting her in your next couple of posts (admittedly a few hours later) because she pinged you?

The interaction looked okay in my overnight review and I hadn't read anything when I posted it. As I was catching up she had done nothing and her claim tweaked me. There's nothing wrong with a flower vendor claim but I have a feeling she's done it before as a fake claim, the biggest thing that made me side eye is there's no reason not to be clear on yes or no I did/did not target Jay, it was a simple question she couldn't answer which looked to me like she wasn't sure what the "correct" answer was. Pretty sure I explained at the time tho.

I'm about 10 pages behind and not going to catch up tonight as my bf is here, if I've missed questions I'll catch them tomorrow.

I guess I'm surprised that you put owner in the same tier as e.g. nanook in that reads list and yet rescinded so easily
noted

The review was of Nutella posts only like literally her ISO posts, there's been a lot more since then including the D1 wagon review I did where Owner's vote was a ? against her. Tbf there's been 1 thing I'd been expecting to see from Owner that has never come and it's a big long reads lists with weird reads that makes you squint your eyes but shows me she's reading things and considering. I've only seen her in one game recently and I was spectating, but a post just like that was what gave me enough to get a town read on her. She hasn't even come close to that imo. Maybe her role is legit, but I still think it's non-town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Owner’s role claim does absolutely nothing to make her town, and I agree with the various doubts expressed about the details.

[hawkataine]

The review was of Nutella posts only like literally her ISO posts, there's been a lot more since then including the D1 wagon review I did where Owner's vote was a ? against her. Tbf there's been 1 thing I'd been expecting to see from Owner that has never come and it's a big long reads lists with weird reads that makes you squint your eyes but shows me she's reading things and considering. I've only seen her in one game recently and I was spectating, but a post just like that was what gave me enough to get a town read on her. She hasn't even come close to that imo. Maybe her role is legit, but I still think it's non-town.

hmkay ty
Can you also explain your vote/progression on me at the start of today please? But also have fun with the bf

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@MacDougall I didn’t follow much of your theorizing with regard to Owner and game state. Could you clarify why you think Owner being mafia suggests someone else is deep?

[hawkataine]

@Sonny vote nutella

Lol, sure

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

I actually have a meh read on them anyway, only note is the insta town read on Kito which must have been a joke but yall are dropping so many sincere townreads over air so who the hell knows anymore.

I suddenly townread nutella

These posts have very little of sonny actually talking about nutella in between them and are only 30 mins apart, this succession kinda pings me tbh.

Also every time I read LongCon's posts his avatar looks like a dragon but it's not and I'm confused

[VOTE: owner] aubergine in b4 "hawk's trying to save owner by looking for other suspects", no, I've scum read her since D1, she failed the wagon test at EoD1, her claim is Highly Questionable, all of this has already been said

[Allcrab]

Show me just one piece of evidence that proves you are watcher other than "I breadcrumbed it" because I've breadcrumbed all kinds of shit as scum.

[Guillotine]

Long Con looks bad here, contributes to Made's wagon close to EoD after acknowledging that he is not aware of what Made was being suspected for.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 85#p795385

I've posted this three times, I dont remember him addressing it.

@Long Con

I can't find this post where he claims I acknowledged unawareness.

The link is the post....

And you just replied like this instead of actually addressing it? Why did you vote Made instead of voting Nutella if you didnt know what was the case on Made in the first place?
There was ample evidence against Nutella and you made your vote look like you didnt care who was yeeted, so why not place it on Nutella instead of Made who you didnt know anything about?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

16 vote wagon

do u guise think theres a busser

[Actvscenei]

I might suggest Gavial is scum and is the torturer/neighborizer thingy (like Guillo had in his game this one time lol). Owner is scum with Gavial (and would then know no one would cc her fruit crap). Gavial will choose to kill Jay tonight after their night together.

Owner poisoned Alison with fruit.

[Allcrab]

16 vote wagon

do u guise think theres a busser

I think it's 50/50.

[hawkataine]

16 vote wagon

do u guise think theres a busser

I think it's 50/50.

fully thought you meant there were 8 mafia on the wagon then lol

[Guillotine]

16 vote wagon

do u guise think theres a busser

Love the satirical tone here

[Allcrab]

16 vote wagon

do u guise think theres a busser

I think it's 50/50.

fully thought you meant there were 8 mafia on the wagon then lol

derp under review.