Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[Alison]

So let's say that Owner is outed mafia essentially red checked by Seanzie and has been for ages today. The rest of the mafia team are already probably hard POE clamped from the day 1 wagons. Owner not only fumbles a claim, but then comes back after like 24hrs of absence and invents a claim like that.... Which would imply mafia organisation but where is the mafia organising this? And why? Because any mafia team that has Owner in it exists in the world where they are also probably hard POE clamped and among those not trying.

Like to me mafia Owner doesn't exist in the gamestate that makes the most sense?

Here is a hypothetical mafia team chat.

Wolf buddy: Welcome back Owner. Seanzie red checked you.

Owner: oh shit. What do I do.

Wolf buddy: I don't know, we have been totally nailed to the wall because Alison is a mafia goddess and beautiful and perfect and after this game I'm going to donate all my income to her.

Owner: oh no. I guess I'll try to bait out a claim from someone since I'm screwed anyway.

Wolf buddy: Hmm, what about baiting out the doctor that blocked us from killing Jagged Jimmy Jay?

Owner: nah I already claimed fruit vendor not doctor.

Wolf buddy: Damn. Well I guess you could always claim you gave fruit to Gavial and JJJ, see if we can fish out the neighborizer.

Owner: It's worth a shot. Good luck fellas.

Wolf buddy (demoralized): whatever. good luck.

[MacDougall]

So let's say that Owner is outed mafia essentially red checked by Seanzie and has been for ages today. The rest of the mafia team are already probably hard POE clamped from the day 1 wagons. Owner not only fumbles a claim, but then comes back after like 24hrs of absence and invents a claim like that.... Which would imply mafia organisation but where is the mafia organising this? And why? Because any mafia team that has Owner in it exists in the world where they are also probably hard POE clamped and among those not trying.

Like to me mafia Owner doesn't exist in the gamestate that makes the most sense?

Here is a hypothetical mafia team chat.

Wolf buddy: Welcome back Owner. Seanzie red checked you.

Owner: oh shit. What do I do.

Wolf buddy: I don't know, we have been totally nailed to the wall because Alison is a mafia goddess and beautiful and perfect and after this game I'm going to donate all my income to her.

Owner: oh no. I guess I'll try to bait out a claim from someone since I'm screwed anyway.

Wolf buddy: Hmm, what about baiting out the doctor that blocked us from killing Jagged Jimmy Jay?

Owner: nah I already claimed fruit vendor not doctor.

Wolf buddy: Damn. Well I guess you could always claim you gave fruit to Gavial and JJJ, see if we can fish out the neighborizer.

Owner: It's worth a shot. Good luck fellas.

Wolf buddy (demoralized): whatever. good luck.

aight whatever kill her idc

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ehhhhhh

I think a significant amount of the player list tends more towards individual mafia play than the kind of organized team play you're accustomed to

what does this mean?

That the gamestate reads around owner you're making don't necessarily apply imo

[MacDougall]

if she flips town you can just add it to the list of things i told y'all so about that nobody ever speaks of again

[MacDougall]

Ehhhhhh

I think a significant amount of the player list tends more towards individual mafia play than the kind of organized team play you're accustomed to

what does this mean?

That the gamestate reads around owner you're making don't necessarily apply imo

yeah maybe but also maybe she's not mafia anyway because of maths and this game being a game of rng

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like JJJ and Gavial have already shown on D1 that their thought processes don't necessarily mesh. If your goal was to maximize progress made with someone who can keep up with him, wouldn't Sloonei be the obvious choice? Or Mac, or myself?

Also, what does "I guess I was thinking if this is more like a chat of sorts" mean?? All Owner knew at the time they made the call to send the fruits was that the passion fruit was "lucky". They would have no information that it would give those two a chat, that's something that we only inferred once we realized the passion fruit sent them on a date together.

The more I look at that claim post the more I feel like it's actually a scumslip.

Yes thank you

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ehhhhhh

I think a significant amount of the player list tends more towards individual mafia play than the kind of organized team play you're accustomed to

what does this mean?

That the gamestate reads around owner you're making don't necessarily apply imo

yeah maybe but also maybe she's not mafia anyway because of maths and this game being a game of rng

Yeah, could be ig

Idk maybe you're right, where do you wanna go if not owner? I'll follow you for a bit

[MacDougall]

alright fine if Alison and Nanook agree then i guess the correct thing to do is just shut the fuck up and let this day gently roll downhill to it's natural outcome

[Alison]

What is Allcrab/Fable's alignment?

Open question. I have no strong opinion.

[MacDougall]

Ehhhhhh

I think a significant amount of the player list tends more towards individual mafia play than the kind of organized team play you're accustomed to

what does this mean?

That the gamestate reads around owner you're making don't necessarily apply imo

yeah maybe but also maybe she's not mafia anyway because of maths and this game being a game of rng

Yeah, could be ig

Idk maybe you're right, where do you wanna go if not owner? I'll follow you for a bit

Seth seems pretty adamant he has a red check on Hawk.

Bad Bunny looks bad.

Sonny would be a death blow to the mafia if that were a hit.

I am not entirely sold on Made being a save either.

[Alison]

I seem to recall the last game I played Fable repping a godread on bunny and being proven right by the flips, which means that him claiming bunny is lock town should be taken really seriously here if we think he's town.

[MacDougall]

What is Allcrab/Fable's alignment?

Open question. I have no strong opinion.

Oh that one too. That one is actually probably mafia exactly for gamestate reasons. I have felt not a single townping from them but every time I articulate suspicion towards them i get shut down in manipulative fashion (or at least it feels manipulative).

[Alison]

Sonny has 155 posts. He made 139 of them before a mafioso flipped, and 16 of them after a mafioso flipped.

I think he is a candidate for demoralized mafia.

[Alison]

What is Allcrab/Fable's alignment?

Open question. I have no strong opinion.

Oh that one too. That one is actually probably mafia exactly for gamestate reasons. I have felt not a single townping from them but every time I articulate suspicion towards them i get shut down in manipulative fashion (or at least it feels manipulative).

I'll take care of him tonight then. If he flips town we sheep his legacy on bunny and blame him postgame if he's wrong.

[MacDougall]

Sonny has 155 posts. He made 139 of them before a mafioso flipped, and 16 of them after a mafioso flipped.

I think he is a candidate for demoralized mafia.

I think you might find it's worse than that. I think most of Sonny's posts occurred during the first half of d1 even.

[MacDougall]

What is Allcrab/Fable's alignment?

Open question. I have no strong opinion.

Oh that one too. That one is actually probably mafia exactly for gamestate reasons. I have felt not a single townping from them but every time I articulate suspicion towards them i get shut down in manipulative fashion (or at least it feels manipulative).

I'll take care of him tonight then. If he flips town we sheep his legacy on bunny and blame him postgame if he's wrong.

Wait you're a vigi too? I was going to shoot Gavial tonight and then sheep him on Hawk red if he was town.

[Alison]

I would happily murder the following people:

Allcrab
bad bunny (if Allcrab is not town)
Garden Gnome
Owner of a Lonely Heart
Sonny

I believe this to be a nice snug POE that the mafia feels very claustrophobic in. For now I am assuming Made is a save, Long Con gets a pass and hawkataine was the victim of lolGavial. Everyone else has towntold.

[Alison]

What is Allcrab/Fable's alignment?

Open question. I have no strong opinion.

Oh that one too. That one is actually probably mafia exactly for gamestate reasons. I have felt not a single townping from them but every time I articulate suspicion towards them i get shut down in manipulative fashion (or at least it feels manipulative).

I'll take care of him tonight then. If he flips town we sheep his legacy on bunny and blame him postgame if he's wrong.

Wait you're a vigi too? I was going to shoot Gavial tonight and then sheep him on Hawk red if he was town.

Nah, I'm a redirector. I was planning on targeting Sonny tonight since he always carries the kill.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ehhhhhh

I think a significant amount of the player list tends more towards individual mafia play than the kind of organized team play you're accustomed to

what does this mean?

That the gamestate reads around owner you're making don't necessarily apply imo

yeah maybe but also maybe she's not mafia anyway because of maths and this game being a game of rng

Yeah, could be ig

Idk maybe you're right, where do you wanna go if not owner? I'll follow you for a bit

Seth seems pretty adamant he has a red check on Hawk.

Bad Bunny looks bad.

Sonny would be a death blow to the mafia if that were a hit.

I am not entirely sold on Made being a save either.

He has a block on a night with no kill in a role madness game, so...not exactly a red check

Agreed on bad bunny

Yeah, do you think sonny is a hit tho?

I'm not either but...kinda think it was? Idk, could go either way

[Alison]

Did Seth actually come out and say he blocked hawk or are we just inferring it?

[Alison]

It's possible that Seth has deeper mechanical info than a simple roleblock due to how insistent he is. Then again he's Seth so I don't know.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Did Seth actually come out and say he blocked hawk or are we just inferring it?

He said it

[MacDougall]

Ehhhhhh

I think a significant amount of the player list tends more towards individual mafia play than the kind of organized team play you're accustomed to

what does this mean?

That the gamestate reads around owner you're making don't necessarily apply imo

yeah maybe but also maybe she's not mafia anyway because of maths and this game being a game of rng

Yeah, could be ig

Idk maybe you're right, where do you wanna go if not owner? I'll follow you for a bit

Seth seems pretty adamant he has a red check on Hawk.

Bad Bunny looks bad.

Sonny would be a death blow to the mafia if that were a hit.

I am not entirely sold on Made being a save either.

He has a block on a night with no kill in a role madness game, so...not exactly a red check

Agreed on bad bunny

Yeah, do you think sonny is a hit tho?

I'm not either but...kinda think it was? Idk, could go either way

I'm tired

[Alison]

lolSeth

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: owner] aubergine sorry if town

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm willing to see if bunny gets some traction

[Alison]

If Allcrab is scum I think bunny is too. He can't afford to drop a shield on a slot as misexeable as she is when his team needs every misexe they can get.

[bad bunny]

me when i get yeeted this game

@bad bunny
Yo if you don’t wanna get yeeted just vote scum and you know, vote my practical red check Hawk!

But Hawk seems towny

[bad bunny]

Was the Allcrab TMI thing cleared up somehow?

I don’t believe so apart from Allcrab calling it dumb.

I don’t think it has to be TMI, but I do want to hear more about the read. It’s the only resistance to bunny suspicion in the game to my memory.

Yeah and you should listen because he is the only one who knows how to read me

I just got mislynched in endgame on PerC/MC and every single person was certain I was mafia when I wasnt except Crab.

Im quite frankly used to getting lots of suspicion so sorry if i dont really care anymore. Crab is not TMIing me, he just knows me really well. So don't say that if I flip because i am town.

[bad bunny]

Trying to articulate some of my Day 1 concerns about Hawk. My initial alertness to her was prompted by this post for early-Day 1 reasons that aren't worth digging into right now. My more substantial concerns started later, after we started interacting a bit more. But I don't know hawk, so I can't be too confident that this particular line of suspicion carries much weight.

In general, I felt like Hawk's posts were lacking in a clear direction. There were reads and thoughts which were expressed well enough, but they seemed a little bit rough and uneven, if that makes sense. Like she was jumping from one idea to the next without a clear progression from one thing to another. A few examples:

Spoiler: show

Okay let's try for some reads then

Guillo: can't tell if it's the game size that's drowning him out but sensing far less thread presence than that one time he was town on PerC and dominated the thread (not in post count just in, like, weight of opinion xD). Would appreciate some syndicate weigh-ins on this point because maybe it's just a more active site and he was like this in spiderverse or whatever?

Alison: seems to be calling confident reads very early and I can't tell how serious it is and it's very strange (this is a null read I'm just confused)

Sonny: frustration at not being able to use the forum seems like he does want to solve and is a little overwhelmed

Belzy: quite liked her Alison read in her entrance in 864 - less on a mindmeld basis but more on a 'seems like what town!Belzy would think' basis. Very gamefaced and little fluff but I don't remember what that means in Belzy terms whoops. Also liked her follow-up and stuff.

LoMo: fairly happy with his play so far, provided he keeps it up

hawk "tries for some reads" and pulls out five players that do not strike me as the five most obvious candidates to be receiving reads in such an exclusive list as this. 4 of the 5 are MafCafe residents, so I will grant that familiarity is likely to be a factor here. But this post almost feels arbitrary, as if Hawk was conscious of a need to provide evidence of reads being formed and so she just burped up this list of five unrelated names. But maybe this is just a product of hawk's solving process.

Spoiler: show

At this point I could see myself voting for hawk, alison, mac, and maybe guillotine.

that sure is a list
you planning to interact with me or nah?

Do you object or agree with any of the non-you names in my player salad?

I've been going back and forth on mac, by which I mean I liked one post that happened before I'd read enough to get a grasp on the roster and then forgot what it was, and then everyone talked about how confusing he was to read for a bit and I lost confidence
Do you think you can read him well?

Alison I have as slight town tbh because it just really seems like she believes what she's saying and the daykill claim is a very strange D1 scum play imo

guillo is probably reasonable to have there even if I disagree, I haven't really decided if I'm concerned by him or not yet. Have you played with him on syndicate before?

At this point I could see myself voting for hawk, alison, mac, and maybe guillotine.

that sure is a list
you planning to interact with me or nah?

Do you object or agree with any of the non-you names in my player salad?

I've been going back and forth on mac, by which I mean I liked one post that happened before I'd read enough to get a grasp on the roster and then forgot what it was, and then everyone talked about how confusing he was to read for a bit and I lost confidence
Do you think you can read him well?

Alison I have as slight town tbh because it just really seems like she believes what she's saying and the daykill claim is a very strange D1 scum play imo

guillo is probably reasonable to have there even if I disagree, I haven't really decided if I'm concerned by him or not yet. Have you played with him on syndicate before?

I have played with mac for about 10 years now, but he’s not a player I read exceptionally well. I think I can get a feel for him once the game has progressed some. Here, I have felt like he was knocked off balance right out of the gate and is having a hard time getting back on track. Some of his recent posts have looked like they were made by an alien in a Mac suit.

Your initial response to my reads suggested that you took issue with the list itself, but that does not seem to be the case from this response. What is your objection to my reads, if you have one?

Interesting r.e. mac, ty

By "that sure is a list" I was kinda just commenting on the naked list-ness of it because I haven't really noticed much explanation or build-up to it (especially not r.e. me lol) from you and I do loosely have a town read on alison at least
I haven't been taking your vote on me particularly seriously because I assumed you were reaction fishing or something, given you asked people to ask about it and then when sonny asked about it you were like nah trade secrets m8
So I guess I find it just a bit of a strange/inconsequential list given all the above
I was mainly just saying something to make you actually talk to me lol

This exchange came after I'd prodded hawk with a vote and vague suspicion. Quick point independent from the rest of my argument in this post: the way Hawk handles Guillo in her response to me and her reads list in the first post I cited are compatible with a hypothetical wolf trying to leave the door open on a potential mischop candidate.

But on my larger point, Hawk's initial response to my Player Salad was suggestive of skepticism or dissatisfaction with my treatment of her to that point (a little bit of snark directed at my list of names, and a verbal eyeroll about my lack of engagement). I would expect a player with these feelings to want to take her turn interrogating me a little bit. Hawk has shown us in posts like this and this that she's not afraid to pursue answers her own answers to her own questions. But when I initiated an interaction, Hawk's response was the bare minimum, only answering exactly what I asked of her and not seeking to interject her own influence into the conversation. She gave me a couple generic prompts about the players I had expressed reads on, but I read that as a somewhat lethargic continuation of the prompt I had offered, and not her own thing.

The second response again feels like Hawk is doing nothing more than answering my questions exactly as they were asked with no additional progression. I particularly do not love her comments about her responses to my pressure. "I haven't been taking your vote on me particularly seriously" does not fully align with her apparent displeasure with my vote at the beginning of this exchange. She seemed bothered by it then. That doesn't mean she was necessarily "taking it seriously", but it reads as at least a little disingenuous for her to suggest here that the vote meant little or nothing to her, when she had previously made comments which suggested otherwise.

"I was mainly just saying something to make you actually talk to me lol" gets at the heart of my issue here: Hawk's words suggest she's looking for a meaningful exchange with me, which suggests that she's hoping to develop some sort of a read on me in this moment. And yet the direction of her posts suggests she is making no effort to read me. I did not feel like hawk was developing any ideas about me. I simply felt like she was checking off boxes in response to my questions.

"lacking clear direction" "no clear progression" isnt this kinda villagery though? I am surprised at Hawk's effort this game, but being unsure in a huge game D1 is more villagery than it is scummy. I personally find it more suspicious if someone sounded really sure of what they were saying D1 with no room for changing their mind or any doubts.

[bad bunny]

Gavial claims that Hawk was blocked and their was no factional kill, but what if this happened for another reason? This is role madness so the lack of kill could have been anything right? I understand Gavials need to see this flip after his night action got a result, in fact its kinda villagery of him. I've done the same when I got a result from my night action.

The reason im reluctant to vote though is because I had Hawk as village D1. I've not actually played with her much, admittedly.

Also @Gavial you misunderstood, I want to get yeeted lol

[bad bunny]

What are you guys saying about bunny's play here? She's a timid wolf?

There was no way she wouldn't have voted made if she was scum. If made is also scum with bunny and nutella, she would have still voted made because nutella being alive would have been more useful for the scum team with what was happening in the thread.

And she voted nutella?

Wait, Bunny voted Nutella?

I think she voted guillo

Wut, I had Guillo as town D1

[bad bunny]

By the way if there's a poison healer out there they should heal Alison.

I just saw this and realized if wolves poisoned Alison that's a pretty weird choice to poison someone on nutella's wagon, they must like not be worried about a healer at all.

It depends of what poisoner role is. If it's one shot, there is no healer as it is a one time thing and a healer would nerf it.
If it's every night, there could be two poisoners, one town and one wolf, with one town healer, meaning one poisoner holstered last night, surely the town one.

I havent seen a third party poisoner though. Do they exist?

Yea we had one on mafc once.

My bet's on lomo or sean if it's a 3p role, but I seem to remember lomo hinting at something else

Oh yeah I made a 3P poisoner in my game, but tbf the games I set up with Fable are very unusual I don't recommend it it makes things awkward at lylo

[bad bunny]

Oh ew that glow is not pink

Also its annoying nobody is here when i post. Anyway back to this game

[bad bunny]

Anyone:

Without looking, tell me an Actvscenei read other than “Dana is mafia”.

GTH Actv is town

Also I still don't trust you are town ;p

[bad bunny]

Hawk and Owner both seem like legit suspects, I'll keep digging to see if there's any preference. I still think bad bunny is... bad, lol.

The feeling is mutual

[bad bunny]

well that wagon grew and ngl I'm having a terrible day and have a deadline for my first conference tomorrow so I'm just a ball of anxiety rn :')

if it means anything to anyone I can probably clear myself by tomorrow
but like
lol game

gonna go read now

Hugs

[bad bunny]

Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

The second one

[bad bunny]

Is now a good time to reveal I'm a fruit vendor too and targeted guillo?

Officially I'm a gift giver, but same function. I don't get to choose what I send.

This is why I asked if roles can double up, cuz I've never seen double fruit vendor.

Oooooohhh

Wtf is the point in fruit vendors? Is it wise to think that one vendor is town and the other is mafia?

[bad bunny]

alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

This is a plausible theory

[bad bunny]

Hi so it's extremely unlikely owner did what they said they did so that's neat.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Oh everyone realized already......

Carry on.....

Yah and you ate mot getting cred for this either.

I mean called this d1 but I don't need cred when I can hit a clear myself button whenever I want kek.

You did? Show me.

ISO me ya lazy bastard it's not that long.

Oh god has my vocabulary grown on you xD

[bad bunny]

So the question to ask is who looks like they came back from a session of scum-chat seething, put on a fake smile and tried to act like a normal person in thread.

Probably bunny.

LMAO yeah totally

[bad bunny]

So what's our plan if Seanzie comes back and goes "ok Owner's claim is legit, I rescind my red check"

kill bad bunny?

[MacDougall]

So what's our plan if Seanzie comes back and goes "ok Owner's claim is legit, I rescind my red check"

kill bad bunny?

I accept the premise of your rebuttal but refuse the requested outcome.

[Alison]

Is now a good time to reveal I'm a fruit vendor too and targeted guillo?

Officially I'm a gift giver, but same function. I don't get to choose what I send.

This is why I asked if roles can double up, cuz I've never seen double fruit vendor.

Oooooohhh

Wtf is the point in fruit vendors? Is it wise to think that one vendor is town and the other is mafia?

So the question to ask is who looks like they came back from a session of scum-chat seething, put on a fake smile and tried to act like a normal person in thread.

Probably bunny.

LMAO yeah totally

Big anti fan of these posts.

[bad bunny]

Ehhhhhh

I think a significant amount of the player list tends more towards individual mafia play than the kind of organized team play you're accustomed to

what does this mean?

That the gamestate reads around owner you're making don't necessarily apply imo

yeah maybe but also maybe she's not mafia anyway because of maths and this game being a game of rng

Yeah, could be ig

Idk maybe you're right, where do you wanna go if not owner? I'll follow you for a bit

Seth seems pretty adamant he has a red check on Hawk.

Bad Bunny looks bad.

Sonny would be a death blow to the mafia if that were a hit.

I am not entirely sold on Made being a save either.

He has a block on a night with no kill in a role madness game, so...not exactly a red check

Agreed on bad bunny

Yeah, do you think sonny is a hit tho?

I'm not either but...kinda think it was? Idk, could go either way

Instead of just saying "shes bad shes bad" can any of you actually explain why? Ive not seen a single explanation and i read the last 20 pages or so

[bad bunny]

Is now a good time to reveal I'm a fruit vendor too and targeted guillo?

Officially I'm a gift giver, but same function. I don't get to choose what I send.

This is why I asked if roles can double up, cuz I've never seen double fruit vendor.

Oooooohhh

Wtf is the point in fruit vendors? Is it wise to think that one vendor is town and the other is mafia?

So the question to ask is who looks like they came back from a session of scum-chat seething, put on a fake smile and tried to act like a normal person in thread.

Probably bunny.

LMAO yeah totally

Big anti fan of these posts.

Its the easiest thing in the world for you to say you don't like my posts, it gives none of you any town credibility whatsoever.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

what does this mean?

That the gamestate reads around owner you're making don't necessarily apply imo

yeah maybe but also maybe she's not mafia anyway because of maths and this game being a game of rng

Yeah, could be ig

Idk maybe you're right, where do you wanna go if not owner? I'll follow you for a bit

Seth seems pretty adamant he has a red check on Hawk.

Bad Bunny looks bad.

Sonny would be a death blow to the mafia if that were a hit.

I am not entirely sold on Made being a save either.

He has a block on a night with no kill in a role madness game, so...not exactly a red check

Agreed on bad bunny

Yeah, do you think sonny is a hit tho?

I'm not either but...kinda think it was? Idk, could go either way

Instead of just saying "shes bad shes bad" can any of you actually explain why? Ive not seen a single explanation and i read the last 20 pages or so

Yeah its cause


She's bad

[Sonny]

20+ pages behind and a run away wagon on Owner, so... things happened? X D

[Sonny]

Just as a summary, I truly was in the golden zone of drunkeness last night. I know myself, I am an artist-type and I get into that sort of zone sometimes where I have clarity and do some of my best work like that. I know when I am being a dumbass and when I am hot shit, and while I am definitely not going to promise that everything I said last night was completely correct, I was hot shit.

Owner - wolf. 10/10 dentists agree that you should vote her.

Sonny - not outed, but definitely deserves a strong look.
JJJ - not outed, but definitely deserves a strong look.
Mac - probably town.
Dana - probably town, but everyone already knew that.

Unfortunately, those were the only people I majorly interacted with, so I only split the game half open, rather than wide open.

Would you be able to articulate why you are so confident about Owner?
Some detailed thoughts on Sonny would be cool too.

I'd rather not, but I'll bet my life on an Owner scum flip.

Sonny looked very strongly like he wanted to distract me and others from my push on Owner last night. Sonny also felt uncomfortable in my interactions with him. It is hard to articulate exactly what it was that I was feeling with regards to him, but Sonny doesn't like wolfing, and I got strongly uncomfortable vibes from Sonny that reminded me of Wolf!Sonny (I've only seen him wolf once, so take this for what you will). So, super strong wolf!Sonny vibes, plus his actions having scum motive (attemping to move the thread away from an outed partner).

Uncomfortable? I mean you do you but I don't know why people assign these kind of 'emotions' or whatever to me, happens a lot. If Owner is scum, yay, I don't have a hard time believing she is from the way she refused to answer your question about her role and the lack of well, anything. I was catching up on 30 pages while you were posting so was dipping back and forth between old and new posts, I wasn't attempting to 'distract'.