Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ does POE right before your eyes, with a mind on a world where Owner is indeed mafia:

Is this player even worth considering right now?

Spoiler: show

Actvscenei - yes
Alison - no
Allcrab - yes
bad bunny - yes
Dana - yes
Garden Gnome - yes
Gavial - no
Guillotine - no
hawkataine - yes
Kito - yes
Long Con - yes
lost monkey - no
MacDougall - no
Made - yes
MartinGG99 - yes
Sloonei - no
Seanzie - no
Sonny - yes

Remove the "no" people.

Is this player really someone I think warrants any meaningful concern right now?

Spoiler: show

Actvscenei - yes
Allcrab - yes
bad bunny - yes
Dana - no
Garden Gnome - yes
hawkataine - yes
Kito - no
Long Con - yes
Made - yes
MartinGG99 - no
Sonny - yes

Remove the "no" people.

Gun to my head, is this person town?

Spoiler: show

Actvscenei - yes
Allcrab - yes
bad bunny - no
Garden Gnome - no
hawkataine - yes
Long Con - yes
Made - no
Sonny - no

Consider the above spoiler a proper POE pool, and if I follow through everything I end up with this group containing [most likely] three mafia: bad bunny, Garden Gnome, Made, Sonny.

I doubt I am dead on with that process. But it displays how I am getting to my groupings, and if anyone out there has a major beef with any part of that process, they should speak up. I surprise myself a bit with Sonny and will think on that one. For the purposes of a POE solve, ignore the final step. The last spoiler is sufficient.

[Sloonei]

Why is Gavial a "no"?

[Gavial]

Why is Gavial a "no"?

Because I stopped the killing mafia and your probably voting Town?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why is Gavial a "no"?

His mechanical song and dance recalls Bluey to my memory, and I just don't think he looks mafia. I am open to hearing a contrary view.

[Gavial]

- Stops the mafia from performing factional kill
- Outs who the mafia is
- town ends up voting someone else instead

[Gavial]

BOY JAY
We gonna have a hell of a date tonight!

[Sloonei]

Why is Gavial a "no"?

His mechanical song and dance recalls Bluey to my memory, and I just don't think he looks mafia. I am open to hearing a contrary view.

I have been tossing around some Fallout similarities in my head.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

- Stops the mafia from performing factional kill
- Outs who the mafia is
- town ends up voting someone else instead

Have you read anything in the thread relating to Owner's wagon?

[Gavial]

Better make sure Hawk doesn’t do the kill again.
This time he dies it he does!

[Gavial]

- Stops the mafia from performing factional kill
- Outs who the mafia is
- town ends up voting someone else instead

Have you read anything in the thread relating to Owner's wagon?

Nope

[Kito]

JJJ does POE right before your eyes, with a mind on a world where Owner is indeed mafia:

Is this player even worth considering right now?

Spoiler: show

Actvscenei - yes
Alison - no
Allcrab - yes
bad bunny - yes
Dana - yes
Garden Gnome - yes
Gavial - no
Guillotine - no
hawkataine - yes
Kito - yes
Long Con - yes
lost monkey - no
MacDougall - no
Made - yes
MartinGG99 - yes
Sloonei - no
Seanzie - no
Sonny - yes

Remove the "no" people.

Is this player really someone I think warrants any meaningful concern right now?

Spoiler: show

Actvscenei - yes
Allcrab - yes
bad bunny - yes
Dana - no
Garden Gnome - yes
hawkataine - yes
Kito - no
Long Con - yes
Made - yes
MartinGG99 - no
Sonny - yes

Remove the "no" people.

Gun to my head, is this person town?

Spoiler: show

Actvscenei - yes
Allcrab - yes
bad bunny - no
Garden Gnome - no
hawkataine - yes
Long Con - yes
Made - no
Sonny - no

Consider the above spoiler a proper POE pool, and if I follow through everything I end up with this group containing [most likely] three mafia: bad bunny, Garden Gnome, Made, Sonny.

I doubt I am dead on with that process. But it displays how I am getting to my groupings, and if anyone out there has a major beef with any part of that process, they should speak up. I surprise myself a bit with Sonny and will think on that one. For the purposes of a POE solve, ignore the final step. The last spoiler is sufficient.

I'm actually more surprised by gnome than sonny there.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm actually more surprised by gnome than sonny there.

I think it's a product of the game state. Enough people seem town to me that there aren't many worlds where the unknown wild card is also town. I have very little confidence in any read on Gnome.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

- Stops the mafia from performing factional kill
- Outs who the mafia is
- town ends up voting someone else instead

Have you read anything in the thread relating to Owner's wagon?

Nope

I'd appreciate if you could take a look at Seanzie's 30 or so most recent posts (click) and tell me what you think of them.

[Kito]

I'm actually more surprised by gnome than sonny there.

I think it's a product of the game state. Enough people seem town to me that there aren't many worlds where the unknown wild card is also town. I have very little confidence in any read on Gnome.

Which is fair, she's that kind of player. After being wrong on gnome several times, I've started reading her more as someone who is more interested in having fun and improving their own play, rather than trying to win as a priority. By that metric she's towny to me right now.

That, and the other three players in your POE have hardly made an effort (if any) to discuss owner, gnome at least entertained the idea and gave her opinion.

[Kito]

Starting to think seanzie had a point re: sonny actually. It's the kind of thing I'd come up with in his position.

[Gavial]

Y'all mentally jumping through hoops here.

Owner is just lying. Even without any extra info, it is clear as day. If she truly was a gift giver, she would have just claimed who she gave a gift to. You don't keep that a secret. Plus, she is outed scum. I don't know how many times I need to say it before this becomes clear.

Very likely scum has a giftgiver at this point though. And I kind of doubt it is Kito.

When did you become sure of Owner's guiltiness?

I'm not going to answer any more of your questions, sorry. You will have to either take my word for it, or not. Your choice.

Pretty sure my red is hotter then his is but whatever, if we ML Owner we just yeet Hawk tomorrow I guess.

[hawkataine]

You don't seem like someone who can be interrogated, I had no real reason to suspect you, it was mainly just unimpressed emotion rather than suspicion emotion. Also bold of you to say you initiated the interaction when my literal question was about whether you were gonna do that or not.

What do you mean when you say I don't seem like someone who can be interrogated? Why was interaction with me important if that is the case?

Votes on me mean very little or nothing to me until they have any kind of reasoning associated with them, which you explicitly refused to provide even when you asked people to ask you for it, which was really the red flag that made me comment on this. Voting me is not the same thing as actually pressuring me, and it's honestly a bit of a joke that you seem to think your vote on me and your "why hasn't anyone commented" with zero case amount to pressure. My wanting you to talk to me was not so much to get a read on you (as again, I don't expect to be able to read y'all by one interaction without meta) as it was to make you acknowledge that this was a farce.

In what way was my comment a "red flag"?
I regard my vote and early mentions of you as pressure, yes. I was playing coy, but I was trying to make it clear that you were a name I was watching. It does not need to be severe pressure to be pressure. I was putting attention on you which would otherwise not have been there. There was no farce. That is harsh language. I do not think it is applicable.

Sorry, I apologise if that was harsh

Interaction is important because I get very annoyed by people scum reading me without being willing to talk to me, as you may have noticed today lol. I actually excluded you from the rant I went on in my discord channel about people voting me that I'd never spoken to, if that makes you feel better xD

Look me in the virtual forum eyes and tell me you wouldn't be put out if someone voted you, asked the thread to comment on the fact they had voted you, and then refused to respond to and shut down the ensuing comments. In my eyes that's not pressure, that's no change on where I would've been without your involvement, and I had thought it was early reaction fishing or something but then you didn't seem to want to open up discussion about it which confused me even further.

I am struggling a bit to put this in sentences that make sense but potentially we just have a fundamental difference of opinion here

[Gavial]

Still think Owner isn’t Hawks partner but then again it’s not like Hawk is voting his CW and neither is Owner when Nut was the CW they responded the same sooooo.

This could actually be scum and both them and Hawk could be scum.
Orrrrr this could just be Town and we are letting Hawk skip free this day phase

[hawkataine]

Gavial, ma dude, do you want to respond to anything I said about you a page or two ago or is this the kind of relationship that only works in one direction?

[Gavial]

Wait Owner is voting Tang?
lol ok maybe he is a wolf.

[MacDougall]

hard claim red check on gavial

[Gavial]

Gavial, ma dude, do you want to respond to anything I said about you a page or two ago or is this the kind of relationship that only works in one direction?

Quote it and then mass ping me on it.
I’m having dinner real shortly.

[Gavial]

hard claim red check on gavial

I redirected that check.

[MacDougall]

hard claim red check on gavial

I redirected that check.

I cc redirector

[Gavial]

@hawkataine
I’d suggest letting one of your other buds performing the kill tonight unless you wanna die with the kill.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tonight

On our Syndicate and Personality Cafe Crossover Special

We have not one, but two

RED CHECKS

It's high drama in the common area where one player from

each dorm

wants the undivided attention of the group.

Can they coexist? Or will there be

CONFLICT

Answers long overdue

coming up next

on The Syndicate

[Gavial]

hard claim red check on gavial

I redirected that check.

I cc redirector

I stole your role.

[Alison]

@JaggedJimmyJay If nutella and Owner are both mafia then Made is a save.

[Sloonei]

Sorry, I apologise if that was harsh

Oh no, I'm sorry. I didn't mean "harsh" as in "I found this hurtful." I just meant it was a criticism of my vote which I did not think was applicable.

Interaction is important because I get very annoyed by people scum reading me without being willing to talk to me, as you may have noticed today lol. I actually excluded you from the rant I went on in my discord channel about people voting me that I'd never spoken to, if that makes you feel better xD

Look me in the virtual forum eyes and tell me you wouldn't be put out if someone voted you, asked the thread to comment on the fact they had voted you, and then refused to respond to and shut down the ensuing comments. In my eyes that's not pressure, that's no change on where I would've been without your involvement, and I had thought it was early reaction fishing or something but then you didn't seem to want to open up discussion about it which confused me even further.

I am struggling a bit to put this in sentences that make sense but potentially we just have a fundamental difference of opinion here

I was not refusing to talk about it or shutting down conversation about it. I was inviting people to talk about it. I just wanted to hold my own tongue until I had an opportunity to talk to you directly. If you felt like that was delayed, I'll blame my work schedule and our differing timezones. I had every intention of interacting with you from the beginning. I apologize if it seemed otherwise, that would indeed be annoying.

[hawkataine]

@hawkataine
I’d suggest letting one of your other buds performing the kill tonight unless you wanna die with the kill.

hard claim red check on gavial
your move

[Gavial]

@JaggedJimmyJay If nutella and Owner are both mafia then Made is a save.

I think Made is a save either way.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay If nutella and Owner are both mafia then Made is a save.

Probably.

Also I think bad bunny's Owner vote gets even worse with a mafia flip here.

[Sloonei]

I believe I fully understand what Gavial is claiming.
I do not regard it as anything close to a red check on hawk.

[Gavial]

@hawkataine
I’d suggest letting one of your other buds performing the kill tonight unless you wanna die with the kill.

hard claim red check on gavial
your move

Thought you didn’t visit.

[Gavial]

I believe I fully understand what Gavial is claiming.
I do not regard it as anything close to a red check on hawk.

Suit Yourself.

[hawkataine]

@hawkataine
I’d suggest letting one of your other buds performing the kill tonight unless you wanna die with the kill.

hard claim red check on gavial
your move

Thought you didn’t visit.

damn, he caught me

[Guillotine]

hard claim red check on gavial

I redirected that check.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm willing to call it a yellow-orange check. A dandelion check.

[Seanzie]

@JaggedJimmyJay If nutella and Owner are both mafia then Made is a save.

What is a "save" in this sense?

[hawkataine]

Sorry, I apologise if that was harsh

Oh no, I'm sorry. I didn't mean "harsh" as in "I found this hurtful." I just meant it was a criticism of my vote which I did not think was applicable.

Interaction is important because I get very annoyed by people scum reading me without being willing to talk to me, as you may have noticed today lol. I actually excluded you from the rant I went on in my discord channel about people voting me that I'd never spoken to, if that makes you feel better xD

Look me in the virtual forum eyes and tell me you wouldn't be put out if someone voted you, asked the thread to comment on the fact they had voted you, and then refused to respond to and shut down the ensuing comments. In my eyes that's not pressure, that's no change on where I would've been without your involvement, and I had thought it was early reaction fishing or something but then you didn't seem to want to open up discussion about it which confused me even further.

I am struggling a bit to put this in sentences that make sense but potentially we just have a fundamental difference of opinion here

I was not refusing to talk about it or shutting down conversation about it. I was inviting people to talk about it. I just wanted to hold my own tongue until I had an opportunity to talk to you directly. If you felt like that was delayed, I'll blame my work schedule and our differing timezones. I had every intention of interacting with you from the beginning. I apologize if it seemed otherwise, that would indeed be annoying.

okay
I apologise for being standoffish, you seem cool, I'm just very frustrated and also often not very caught up on the thread xD I don't tend to like committing until I've looked at all the data
I don't think that was relevant but it was on my mind

[Sloonei]

What does today's threadstate tell us about the mafia team if Owner is on it?

[Gavial]

I'm willing to call it a yellow-orange check. A dandelion check.

Ah it’s more like when you do a rain dance and it rains but it’s possible rain would have occurred anyway without the dance.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What does today's threadstate tell us about the mafia team if Owner is on it?

honest answer is "that they're effed"

We'll continue to do work of course.

[Alison]

@JaggedJimmyJay If nutella and Owner are both mafia then Made is a save.

What is a "save" in this sense?

I believe Made is a villager who was run up in order to protect nutella and Owner.

[Sloonei]

Sorry, I apologise if that was harsh

Oh no, I'm sorry. I didn't mean "harsh" as in "I found this hurtful." I just meant it was a criticism of my vote which I did not think was applicable.

Interaction is important because I get very annoyed by people scum reading me without being willing to talk to me, as you may have noticed today lol. I actually excluded you from the rant I went on in my discord channel about people voting me that I'd never spoken to, if that makes you feel better xD

Look me in the virtual forum eyes and tell me you wouldn't be put out if someone voted you, asked the thread to comment on the fact they had voted you, and then refused to respond to and shut down the ensuing comments. In my eyes that's not pressure, that's no change on where I would've been without your involvement, and I had thought it was early reaction fishing or something but then you didn't seem to want to open up discussion about it which confused me even further.

I am struggling a bit to put this in sentences that make sense but potentially we just have a fundamental difference of opinion here

I was not refusing to talk about it or shutting down conversation about it. I was inviting people to talk about it. I just wanted to hold my own tongue until I had an opportunity to talk to you directly. If you felt like that was delayed, I'll blame my work schedule and our differing timezones. I had every intention of interacting with you from the beginning. I apologize if it seemed otherwise, that would indeed be annoying.

okay
I apologise for being standoffish, you seem cool, I'm just very frustrated and also often not very caught up on the thread xD I don't tend to like committing until I've looked at all the data
I don't think that was relevant but it was on my mind

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reminder to self to do full nutella reviews for Dana, Allcrab, and Made when I am awake at 4am.

[Sloonei]

Made
7
23%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, hawkataine, Sloonei, Tangrowth, Long Con, nutella, Owner of a Lonely Heart

(understanding that I am not lock-town blue for everyone, but)

It is not impossible to envision a world where either/both of Hawk and LC is mafia. It is not impossible to imagine them both as town either, to be fair.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Go Lakers

[Seanzie]

@JaggedJimmyJay If nutella and Owner are both mafia then Made is a save.

What is a "save" in this sense?

I believe Made is a villager who was run up in order to protect nutella and Owner.

Ah, yes, that seems a very reasonable assumption. Especially looking at the wagon, Made's wagon looks very dirty IMO.

[Seanzie]

So like... how we all feelin' about Sloonei?