Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[Kito]

it's amusing playing forum mafia with people you first met on video mafia

in a good way

You should come play with us again some time

I will eventually, I'm at work again so most friday nights I'm working or getting drunk to celebrate not working

What about a Sunday night

uhhhh usually work those too, so unlikely unless we start after 00:00 GMT

[Alison]

What do you think is the alternative nook?

It could just be a confident read

If it was a confident read he wouldn't be so cagey about explaining how he knows she's lying.

Or I guess we could just ask him directly.

@Seanzie Are you certain that Owner is scum because you have received mechanical info indicating that she is lying or is mafia, or are you just making a confident read that has nothing to do with mechanics?

[Kito]

also Stool Pigeon is the worst title I've ever had

how much syndicate clout do I need to change that

[JaggedJimmyJay]

also Stool Pigeon is the worst title I've ever had

how much syndicate clout do I need to change that

You'll receive a promotion at post #250.

[Seanzie]

What do you think is the alternative nook?

It could just be a confident read

If it was a confident read he wouldn't be so cagey about explaining how he knows she's lying.

Or I guess we could just ask him directly.

@Seanzie Are you certain that Owner is scum because you have received mechanical info indicating that she is lying or is mafia, or are you just making a confident read that has nothing to do with mechanics?

I have mech. I'd prefer not to give specifics atp for essentially the reasons you articulated.

[Alison]

Yeah you don't have to specify the mech, just verify that there is indeed mech.

So yeah just vote the red check.

[Seanzie]

also Stool Pigeon is the worst title I've ever had

how much syndicate clout do I need to change that

You'll receive a promotion at post #250.

Oh great, now Kito's going to count to 134 and add 3 pages to the game...

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

it's amusing playing forum mafia with people you first met on video mafia

in a good way

You should come play with us again some time

I will eventually, I'm at work again so most friday nights I'm working or getting drunk to celebrate not working

What about a Sunday night

uhhhh usually work those too, so unlikely unless we start after 00:00 GMT

6pm edt is 2300 gmt i *think*, so maybe you can jump in late!

[Kito]

also Stool Pigeon is the worst title I've ever had

how much syndicate clout do I need to change that

You'll receive a promotion at post #250.

you mean I have to post more??

I've been countered

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wait no its 4 hours not 5, thats 2200. Rip

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What do you think is the alternative nook?

It could just be a confident read

If it was a confident read he wouldn't be so cagey about explaining how he knows she's lying.

Or I guess we could just ask him directly.

@Seanzie Are you certain that Owner is scum because you have received mechanical info indicating that she is lying or is mafia, or are you just making a confident read that has nothing to do with mechanics?

I don't think that's the case lol

Could also be a track or a watch or whatever, but my point is that he doesn't have to have mech info to present it like this

[Kito]

also Stool Pigeon is the worst title I've ever had

how much syndicate clout do I need to change that

You'll receive a promotion at post #250.

Oh great, now Kito's going to count to 134 and add 3 pages to the game...

I'm a dog with ADHD

counting that high will never happen

so dw

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ok, that works for me

[Allcrab]

Hi so it's extremely unlikely owner did what they said they did so that's neat.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

[Allcrab]

Oh everyone realized already......

Carry on.....

[Guillotine]

Hi so it's extremely unlikely owner did what they said they did so that's neat.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Oh everyone realized already......

Carry on.....

Yah and you ate mot getting cred for this either.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey guys I have a green check on Owner.

[Guillotine]

Hi so it's extremely unlikely owner did what they said they did so that's neat.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Oh everyone realized already......

Carry on.....

Yah and you ate mot getting cred for this either.

You are not*

[Allcrab]

Hi so it's extremely unlikely owner did what they said they did so that's neat.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Oh everyone realized already......

Carry on.....

Yah and you ate mot getting cred for this either.

I mean called this d1 but I don't need cred when I can hit a clear myself button whenever I want kek.

[MacDougall]

Hey guys I have a green check on Owner.

Yeah I have one too. This whole this was a reaction test.

[MacDougall]

Hi so it's extremely unlikely owner did what they said they did so that's neat.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Oh everyone realized already......

Carry on.....

Yah and you ate mot getting cred for this either.

I mean called this d1 but I don't need cred when I can hit a clear myself button whenever I want kek.

you have one of those too?

[Guillotine]

Hi so it's extremely unlikely owner did what they said they did so that's neat.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Oh everyone realized already......

Carry on.....

Yah and you ate mot getting cred for this either.

I mean called this d1 but I don't need cred when I can hit a clear myself button whenever I want kek.

You did? Show me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I tracked Mac to Owner, confirmed

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay I'll stop trolling before someone takes me seriously.

[Allcrab]

Hi so it's extremely unlikely owner did what they said they did so that's neat.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Oh everyone realized already......

Carry on.....

Yah and you ate mot getting cred for this either.

I mean called this d1 but I don't need cred when I can hit a clear myself button whenever I want kek.

You did? Show me.

ISO me ya lazy bastard it's not that long.

[Kito]

In similar news I'm also a bomb

[Dana]

Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

where did these options come from, are you a gift giver also?

[Alison]

I have done something unambiguously pro town with my night action but you probably won't find out what it is until later.

[Guillotine]

Hi so it's extremely unlikely owner did what they said they did so that's neat.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Oh everyone realized already......

Carry on.....

Yah and you ate mot getting cred for this either.

I mean called this d1 but I don't need cred when I can hit a clear myself button whenever I want kek.

You did? Show me.

ISO me ya lazy bastard it's not that long.

This right here ladies and gentlemen is Karma reincarnated.

Fine, i will.

[Seanzie]

Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

where did these options come from, are you a gift giver also?

No, Kito gave him dick shaped lollipops I think.

[Dana]

I have done something unambiguously pro town with my night action but you probably won't find out what it is until later.

or we could find out now if you tell us

[Allcrab]

In similar news I'm also a bomb

Well that's explody.

[Dana]

Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

where did these options come from, are you a gift giver also?

No, Kito gave him dick shaped lollipops I think.

so how did he know the rest of the options? or was it more of a like "what doesn't fit on this list" type of thing

[Kito]

Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

where did these options come from, are you a gift giver also?

No, Kito gave him dick shaped lollipops I think.

incorrect

I have no choice what I gift, but guillo did get one of those from me

[Alison]

I have done something unambiguously pro town with my night action but you probably won't find out what it is until later.

or we could find out now if you tell us

No it's much funnier if I leave it mysterious and the mafia has to drive themselves crazy figuring out whether or not they should shoot me.

Also I want to at least kind of respect JJJ's point that claiming should be only done when there is a specific mechanical need as claim spamming can lead to bad results. I promise if it ever comes up as important I'll claim it.

[Sloonei]

also Stool Pigeon is the worst title I've ever had

how much syndicate clout do I need to change that

Sorry, just be happy we cleaned it up from "Shit Bird".

[Sloonei]

What do you think is the alternative nook?

It could just be a confident read

If it was a confident read he wouldn't be so cagey about explaining how he knows she's lying.

Or I guess we could just ask him directly.

@Seanzie Are you certain that Owner is scum because you have received mechanical info indicating that she is lying or is mafia, or are you just making a confident read that has nothing to do with mechanics?

I have mech. I'd prefer not to give specifics atp for essentially the reasons you articulated.

that's all i was asking with my last question, mang

[Dana]

I have done something unambiguously pro town with my night action but you probably won't find out what it is until later.

or we could find out now if you tell us

No it's much funnier if I leave it mysterious and the mafia has to drive themselves crazy figuring out whether or not they should shoot me.

Also I want to at least kind of respect JJJ's point that claiming should be only done when there is a specific mechanical need as claim spamming can lead to bad results. I promise if it ever comes up as important I'll claim it.

well if someone doesn't heal you soon the mafia won't have to make that decision it seems. but yes that makes sense

[Guillotine]

Okay nutella's ISO is pretty fluffy for how big it is but it's not so bad as to warrant them being a runaway wagon like this so that's pinging me after I do Owner I need to see what everyone's reasons are for voting there.

[hawkataine]

Trying to articulate some of my Day 1 concerns about Hawk. My initial alertness to her was prompted by this post for early-Day 1 reasons that aren't worth digging into right now. My more substantial concerns started later, after we started interacting a bit more. But I don't know hawk, so I can't be too confident that this particular line of suspicion carries much weight.

In general, I felt like Hawk's posts were lacking in a clear direction. There were reads and thoughts which were expressed well enough, but they seemed a little bit rough and uneven, if that makes sense. Like she was jumping from one idea to the next without a clear progression from one thing to another. A few examples:

Spoiler: show

Okay let's try for some reads then

Guillo: can't tell if it's the game size that's drowning him out but sensing far less thread presence than that one time he was town on PerC and dominated the thread (not in post count just in, like, weight of opinion xD). Would appreciate some syndicate weigh-ins on this point because maybe it's just a more active site and he was like this in spiderverse or whatever?

Alison: seems to be calling confident reads very early and I can't tell how serious it is and it's very strange (this is a null read I'm just confused)

Sonny: frustration at not being able to use the forum seems like he does want to solve and is a little overwhelmed

Belzy: quite liked her Alison read in her entrance in 864 - less on a mindmeld basis but more on a 'seems like what town!Belzy would think' basis. Very gamefaced and little fluff but I don't remember what that means in Belzy terms whoops. Also liked her follow-up and stuff.

LoMo: fairly happy with his play so far, provided he keeps it up

hawk "tries for some reads" and pulls out five players that do not strike me as the five most obvious candidates to be receiving reads in such an exclusive list as this. 4 of the 5 are MafCafe residents, so I will grant that familiarity is likely to be a factor here. But this post almost feels arbitrary, as if Hawk was conscious of a need to provide evidence of reads being formed and so she just burped up this list of five unrelated names. But maybe this is just a product of hawk's solving process.

Spoiler: show

At this point I could see myself voting for hawk, alison, mac, and maybe guillotine.

that sure is a list
you planning to interact with me or nah?

Do you object or agree with any of the non-you names in my player salad?

I've been going back and forth on mac, by which I mean I liked one post that happened before I'd read enough to get a grasp on the roster and then forgot what it was, and then everyone talked about how confusing he was to read for a bit and I lost confidence
Do you think you can read him well?

Alison I have as slight town tbh because it just really seems like she believes what she's saying and the daykill claim is a very strange D1 scum play imo

guillo is probably reasonable to have there even if I disagree, I haven't really decided if I'm concerned by him or not yet. Have you played with him on syndicate before?

At this point I could see myself voting for hawk, alison, mac, and maybe guillotine.

that sure is a list
you planning to interact with me or nah?

Do you object or agree with any of the non-you names in my player salad?

I've been going back and forth on mac, by which I mean I liked one post that happened before I'd read enough to get a grasp on the roster and then forgot what it was, and then everyone talked about how confusing he was to read for a bit and I lost confidence
Do you think you can read him well?

Alison I have as slight town tbh because it just really seems like she believes what she's saying and the daykill claim is a very strange D1 scum play imo

guillo is probably reasonable to have there even if I disagree, I haven't really decided if I'm concerned by him or not yet. Have you played with him on syndicate before?

I have played with mac for about 10 years now, but he’s not a player I read exceptionally well. I think I can get a feel for him once the game has progressed some. Here, I have felt like he was knocked off balance right out of the gate and is having a hard time getting back on track. Some of his recent posts have looked like they were made by an alien in a Mac suit.

Your initial response to my reads suggested that you took issue with the list itself, but that does not seem to be the case from this response. What is your objection to my reads, if you have one?

Interesting r.e. mac, ty

By "that sure is a list" I was kinda just commenting on the naked list-ness of it because I haven't really noticed much explanation or build-up to it (especially not r.e. me lol) from you and I do loosely have a town read on alison at least
I haven't been taking your vote on me particularly seriously because I assumed you were reaction fishing or something, given you asked people to ask about it and then when sonny asked about it you were like nah trade secrets m8
So I guess I find it just a bit of a strange/inconsequential list given all the above
I was mainly just saying something to make you actually talk to me lol

This exchange came after I'd prodded hawk with a vote and vague suspicion. Quick point independent from the rest of my argument in this post: the way Hawk handles Guillo in her response to me and her reads list in the first post I cited are compatible with a hypothetical wolf trying to leave the door open on a potential mischop candidate.

But on my larger point, Hawk's initial response to my Player Salad was suggestive of skepticism or dissatisfaction with my treatment of her to that point (a little bit of snark directed at my list of names, and a verbal eyeroll about my lack of engagement). I would expect a player with these feelings to want to take her turn interrogating me a little bit. Hawk has shown us in posts like this and this that she's not afraid to pursue answers her own answers to her own questions. But when I initiated an interaction, Hawk's response was the bare minimum, only answering exactly what I asked of her and not seeking to interject her own influence into the conversation. She gave me a couple generic prompts about the players I had expressed reads on, but I read that as a somewhat lethargic continuation of the prompt I had offered, and not her own thing.

The second response again feels like Hawk is doing nothing more than answering my questions exactly as they were asked with no additional progression. I particularly do not love her comments about her responses to my pressure. "I haven't been taking your vote on me particularly seriously" does not fully align with her apparent displeasure with my vote at the beginning of this exchange. She seemed bothered by it then. That doesn't mean she was necessarily "taking it seriously", but it reads as at least a little disingenuous for her to suggest here that the vote meant little or nothing to her, when she had previously made comments which suggested otherwise.

"I was mainly just saying something to make you actually talk to me lol" gets at the heart of my issue here: Hawk's words suggest she's looking for a meaningful exchange with me, which suggests that she's hoping to develop some sort of a read on me in this moment. And yet the direction of her posts suggests she is making no effort to read me. I did not feel like hawk was developing any ideas about me. I simply felt like she was checking off boxes in response to my questions.

Hello yes sorry I drank wine and am about to go to bed but I forgot that I forgot to answer this

You don't seem like someone who can be interrogated, I had no real reason to suspect you, it was mainly just unimpressed emotion rather than suspicion emotion. Also bold of you to say you initiated the interaction when my literal question was about whether you were gonna do that or not.
I can be displeasured at you voting me precisely because it doesn't seem serious, those things are not a contradiction. Votes on me mean very little or nothing to me until they have any kind of reasoning associated with them, which you explicitly refused to provide even when you asked people to ask you for it, which was really the red flag that made me comment on this. Voting me is not the same thing as actually pressuring me, and it's honestly a bit of a joke that you seem to think your vote on me and your "why hasn't anyone commented" with zero case amount to pressure. My wanting you to talk to me was not so much to get a read on you (as again, I don't expect to be able to read y'all by one interaction without meta) as it was to make you acknowledge that this was a farce.

[Dana]

also I've seen atp mentioned twice and its not on the mu acronym wiki, what does it mean?

[Allcrab]

Okay nutella's ISO is pretty fluffy for how big it is but it's not so bad as to warrant them being a runaway wagon like this so that's pinging me after I do Owner I need to see what everyone's reasons are for voting there.

Le Gasp

How dare I null read nutella be suspicious of a runaway wagon d1 and then vote wolf!owner.

[Seanzie]

Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

where did these options come from, are you a gift giver also?

No, Kito gave him dick shaped lollipops I think.

so how did he know the rest of the options? or was it more of a like "what doesn't fit on this list" type of thing

I think Guillo was trying to figure out who gave him a gift, by laying out a prompt that to Kito would scream "hey, who are you? Respond to this to make it clear" but to others would look innocuous.

[hawkataine]

also Stool Pigeon is the worst title I've ever had

how much syndicate clout do I need to change that

Sorry, just be happy we cleaned it up from "Shit Bird".

honestly devastated I will never receive this accolade

[Kito]

also Stool Pigeon is the worst title I've ever had

how much syndicate clout do I need to change that

Sorry, just be happy we cleaned it up from "Shit Bird".

honestly devastated I will never receive this accolade

yea I was gonna say

please revert this change

[Alison]

I think Kito's claim about giving a "lovely gift" to Guillo but not being sure exactly what it is and reading into Guillo's post about dick shaped lollipops, etc. is too convoluted to be faked. In other words I think he was honest about his night actions. And probably giving a positive-flavored gift to Guillo is a pretty townie thing to do, so I have no concerns about Kito right now.

[Seanzie]

also I've seen atp mentioned twice and its not on the mu acronym wiki, what does it mean?

"at the present" I believe. It isn't really a mafia acronym, just an interwebz one.

[Allcrab]

also I've seen atp mentioned twice and its not on the mu acronym wiki, what does it mean?

"at this point"

[Sloonei]

You don't seem like someone who can be interrogated, I had no real reason to suspect you, it was mainly just unimpressed emotion rather than suspicion emotion. Also bold of you to say you initiated the interaction when my literal question was about whether you were gonna do that or not.

What do you mean when you say I don't seem like someone who can be interrogated? Why was interaction with me important if that is the case?

Votes on me mean very little or nothing to me until they have any kind of reasoning associated with them, which you explicitly refused to provide even when you asked people to ask you for it, which was really the red flag that made me comment on this. Voting me is not the same thing as actually pressuring me, and it's honestly a bit of a joke that you seem to think your vote on me and your "why hasn't anyone commented" with zero case amount to pressure. My wanting you to talk to me was not so much to get a read on you (as again, I don't expect to be able to read y'all by one interaction without meta) as it was to make you acknowledge that this was a farce.

In what way was my comment a "red flag"?
I regard my vote and early mentions of you as pressure, yes. I was playing coy, but I was trying to make it clear that you were a name I was watching. It does not need to be severe pressure to be pressure. I was putting attention on you which would otherwise not have been there. There was no farce. That is harsh language. I do not think it is applicable.

[Dana]

also I've seen atp mentioned twice and its not on the mu acronym wiki, what does it mean?

"at the present" I believe. It isn't really a mafia acronym, just an interwebz one.

ah okay, thank u. I think the corner of the internet I come from always used atm instead for "at the moment"