Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[Sloonei]

alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

[Sloonei]

I’m developing a new theory, would like some feedback on it:

Owner is town.

@MacDougall Yup

Feel free to comment on the theory.

[Kito]

alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response

[Guillotine]

Alison and Owner have not appeared in the game since Owner’s fruit claim. Out loud speculation...is there a possibility Owner gave Alison poisoned fruit and now for whatever reason they are both silenced?

Super unlikely but I'm stealing this idea

But owner posted today.

Which is why its super unlikely? Like i literally said in the post you're quoting?

Unlikely implies a small possibility, your idea is impossible because it's proven that she was not silenced. Stay focused.

[MacDougall]

there was some reason I thought owner was town but I forgot it

[Sloonei]

alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response

Yeah and I'm a consensus town read who has been contributing pressure to her all day. Why did I pick this exact moment to decide to make some convoluted push to... not actually defend her because MY CLAIM IS THAT I DO NOT THINK OWNER HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ITEM I RECEIVED, KITO!

[MacDougall]

alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response

this made me chuckle

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Nobody gets anything from owner
Owner dies
Sloon is outed

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Another mafia says they got something from her
Eventually either the pattern that owner only gives stuff to mafia emerges, owner dies, everyone alive that claimed something from her is outed. Or she catches a vig shot or is otherwise killed, everyone alive claiming something from her is outed


Either way

Theres no way its a fake claim if owner and sloon are both mafia

And it's a fucking weird fake claim to make to begin with since there are receipts

So owner is almost certainly actually a fruit vendor, regardless of alignment

[MacDougall]

I sent Sloonei a gift. I big smelly morning poo.

[MacDougall]

That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Nobody gets anything from owner
Owner dies
Sloon is outed

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Another mafia says they got something from her
Eventually either the pattern that owner only gives stuff to mafia emerges, owner dies, everyone alive that claimed something from her is outed. Or she catches a vig shot or is otherwise killed, everyone alive claiming something from her is outed


Either way

Theres no way its a fake claim if owner and sloon are both mafia

And it's a fucking weird fake claim to make to begin with since there are receipts

So owner is almost certainly actually a fruit vendor, regardless of alignment

you and sloonei gotta get on the same page mang

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Alison and Owner have not appeared in the game since Owner’s fruit claim. Out loud speculation...is there a possibility Owner gave Alison poisoned fruit and now for whatever reason they are both silenced?

Super unlikely but I'm stealing this idea

But owner posted today.

Which is why its super unlikely? Like i literally said in the post you're quoting?

Unlikely implies a small possibility, your idea is impossible because it's proven that she was not silenced. Stay focused.

You're not my supervisor

[Sloonei]

This is Exhibit A in why I think mech talk is overrated and a distraction.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Nobody gets anything from owner
Owner dies
Sloon is outed

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Another mafia says they got something from her
Eventually either the pattern that owner only gives stuff to mafia emerges, owner dies, everyone alive that claimed something from her is outed. Or she catches a vig shot or is otherwise killed, everyone alive claiming something from her is outed


Either way

Theres no way its a fake claim if owner and sloon are both mafia

And it's a fucking weird fake claim to make to begin with since there are receipts

So owner is almost certainly actually a fruit vendor, regardless of alignment

you and sloonei gotta get on the same page mang

If there isn't a third gift giver claim hes functionally saying that owner gave it to him

Regardless of whether he thinks that's likely or not

[MacDougall]

Alison and Owner have not appeared in the game since Owner’s fruit claim. Out loud speculation...is there a possibility Owner gave Alison poisoned fruit and now for whatever reason they are both silenced?

Super unlikely but I'm stealing this idea

But owner posted today.

Which is why its super unlikely? Like i literally said in the post you're quoting?

Unlikely implies a small possibility, your idea is impossible because it's proven that she was not silenced. Stay focused.

You're not my supervisor

lolllll

[Kito]

alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response

Yeah and I'm a consensus town read who has been contributing pressure to her all day. Why did I pick this exact moment to decide to make some convoluted push to... not actually defend her because MY CLAIM IS THAT I DO NOT THINK OWNER HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ITEM I RECEIVED, KITO!

wow jesus you're pretty pressed about an apparently absurd suggestion

it's not like anybody believes me yet

[Actvscenei]

alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response

this made me chuckle

Same. Straight up laughed way harder than I probably should have

[MacDougall]

That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Nobody gets anything from owner
Owner dies
Sloon is outed

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Another mafia says they got something from her
Eventually either the pattern that owner only gives stuff to mafia emerges, owner dies, everyone alive that claimed something from her is outed. Or she catches a vig shot or is otherwise killed, everyone alive claiming something from her is outed


Either way

Theres no way its a fake claim if owner and sloon are both mafia

And it's a fucking weird fake claim to make to begin with since there are receipts

So owner is almost certainly actually a fruit vendor, regardless of alignment

you and sloonei gotta get on the same page mang

If there isn't a third gift giver claim hes functionally saying that owner gave it to him

Regardless of whether he thinks that's likely or not

oh man ppl be tripping 2day

[MacDougall]

Excuse me Kito Sloonei is the avatar have some respect

[Sloonei]

alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response

Yeah and I'm a consensus town read who has been contributing pressure to her all day. Why did I pick this exact moment to decide to make some convoluted push to... not actually defend her because MY CLAIM IS THAT I DO NOT THINK OWNER HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ITEM I RECEIVED, KITO!

wow jesus you're pretty pressed about an apparently absurd suggestion

it's not like anybody believes me yet

let's move on.

[Kito]

That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Nobody gets anything from owner
Owner dies
Sloon is outed

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Another mafia says they got something from her
Eventually either the pattern that owner only gives stuff to mafia emerges, owner dies, everyone alive that claimed something from her is outed. Or she catches a vig shot or is otherwise killed, everyone alive claiming something from her is outed


Either way

Theres no way its a fake claim if owner and sloon are both mafia

And it's a fucking weird fake claim to make to begin with since there are receipts

So owner is almost certainly actually a fruit vendor, regardless of alignment

ok thanks. didn't really think of that

[MacDougall]

I dunno about the specifics but 8 votes on Owner at this point makes me feel at least kinda sceptical. Like I am compelled to seek out dissenting perspectives. But I am also prone to such.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

[Sloonei]

I dunno about the specifics but 8 votes on Owner at this point makes me feel at least kinda sceptical. Like I am compelled to seek out dissenting perspectives. But I am also prone to such.

This is largely why I have been trying to talk about Owner as town. There has been no resistance to her wagon at all today. There should be at least some resistance.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Then again absence from owner is not a great sign

[Sloonei]

There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

Yeah. The reason I claimed is that I think we have at least three gift-giving roles. I would expect at least two of those to be town.

[Kito]

aight well i'm still curious if she's specifically a fruit vendor or our roles are identical, but not much else to be said about it

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

Yeah. The reason I claimed is that I think we have at least three gift-giving roles. I would expect at least two of those to be town.

Yeah, well

I'm definitely assuming two until/unless a third steps up

[MacDougall]

There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

I guess it depends on the specifics. Like a vest giver or gunsmith is a gift giver and they're both normal to have. A fruit vendor and a gift giver don't contradict each other badly but like two specifically named fruit vendors might?

[Actvscenei]

I’m developing a new theory, would like some feedback on it:

Owner is town.

@MacDougall Yup

Feel free to comment on the theory.

Now that apparently everyone and their mother received a gift, I’m not as suspicious of Owner. Feeling unsure, might switch back to Dana later, idk.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

I guess it depends on the specifics. Like a vest giver or gunsmith is a gift giver and they're both normal to have. A fruit vendor and a gift giver don't contradict each other badly but like two specifically named fruit vendors might?

I mean it depends on the rest of the setup yeah

Having two in a game with a tracker and a watcher makes some sense to me, for example

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

I guess it depends on the specifics. Like a vest giver or gunsmith is a gift giver and they're both normal to have. A fruit vendor and a gift giver don't contradict each other badly but like two specifically named fruit vendors might?

I mean it depends on the rest of the setup yeah

Having two in a game with a tracker and a watcher makes some sense to me, for example

Idk how likely that is im just saying its not, like, super unlikely

[MacDougall]

There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

I guess it depends on the specifics. Like a vest giver or gunsmith is a gift giver and they're both normal to have. A fruit vendor and a gift giver don't contradict each other badly but like two specifically named fruit vendors might?

I mean it depends on the rest of the setup yeah

Having two in a game with a tracker and a watcher makes some sense to me, for example

this is true

[MacDougall]

my understanding of fruit vendor is that they are often compulsive sleepwalking roles or something and you don't actually have specific fruit to give to people though

[MacDougall]

*prods thread with a stick*

[Sloonei]

*prods thread with a stick*

mac claiming stick vendor?

[Alison]

I have not received fruit. Going to do a full catchup soon.

[Seanzie]

Y'all mentally jumping through hoops here.

Owner is just lying. Even without any extra info, it is clear as day. If she truly was a gift giver, she would have just claimed who she gave a gift to. You don't keep that a secret. Plus, she is outed scum. I don't know how many times I need to say it before this becomes clear.

Very likely scum has a giftgiver at this point though. And I kind of doubt it is Kito.

[Alison]

I feel like bad bunny's Day 1 vote is a post that says "I am mafia-aligned", and only a couple of people have engaged that suspicion. If folks have doubts I would very much like to hear them.

bunny is in my POE.

Tangy's votes on Day 1 have been mafia-aligned. All she has to her credit is town energy and nutella being unenthused with that energy (Sloonei's interactive read). I think she should be receiving more scrutiny, and I'd like you to go a little more in depth with why you read her town.

[Sloonei]

Y'all mentally jumping through hoops here.

Owner is just lying. Even without any extra info, it is clear as day. If she truly was a gift giver, she would have just claimed who she gave a gift to. You don't keep that a secret. Plus, she is outed scum. I don't know how many times I need to say it before this becomes clear.

Very likely scum has a giftgiver at this point though. And I kind of doubt it is Kito.

When did you become sure of Owner's guiltiness?

[Alison]

Also like I'm kinda sad cause seth could've said "I tracked you to Jay, hawk, what do you say to that? And potentially outed hawk if they tried to claim something that moves, but alas

That is what I would have done if I was Seth lol.

[Sloonei]

I feel like bad bunny's Day 1 vote is a post that says "I am mafia-aligned", and only a couple of people have engaged that suspicion. If folks have doubts I would very much like to hear them.

bunny is in my POE.

Tangy's votes on Day 1 have been mafia-aligned. All she has to her credit is town energy and nutella being unenthused with that energy (Sloonei's interactive read). I think she should be receiving more scrutiny, and I'd like you to go a little more in depth with why you read her town.

Tangy has been mechanically confirmed as town since you were last here.

[Alison]

@Owner of a Lonely Heart you're here!

Did you target JJJ?

I sent a fruit. It doesn't do much. The person I sent it to hasn't brought it up yet.

You sent a fruit to JJJ?

@JaggedJimmyJay did you recieve a fruit?

[VOTE: owner] aubergine

@JaggedJimmyJay did you recieve a fruit?

No. I only received a date night with Gavial. Apparently that wasn't something Gavial targeted me with though, so maybe fruit = date. It'd be a pun.

@Seanzie Why are you voting Owner before JJJ confirms reception of a fruit?

[Alison]

I feel like bad bunny's Day 1 vote is a post that says "I am mafia-aligned", and only a couple of people have engaged that suspicion. If folks have doubts I would very much like to hear them.

bunny is in my POE.

Tangy's votes on Day 1 have been mafia-aligned. All she has to her credit is town energy and nutella being unenthused with that energy (Sloonei's interactive read). I think she should be receiving more scrutiny, and I'd like you to go a little more in depth with why you read her town.

Tangy has been mechanically confirmed as town since you were last here.

Well that's nice.

[Alison]

If Tangy is town then I'm out of deepwolf possibilities and scum is probably just all LHF that didn't have the clout to save nutella.

[Alison]

@Actvscenei you keep getting floated as hard poe and I am townreading you so please demonstrate your townie flair and do townie things like giving me all your reads

I have no gripes with Act right now. She's not locked, but she's a townread.

[Seanzie]

Tangrowth

Dana
lost monkey
Alison

Guillotine
MacDougall
Garden Gnome
Kito
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Sloonei
MartinGG99
Long Con
Made
hawkataine
Gavial

bad bunny
Allcrab
JaggedJimmyJay

Actvscenei
Sonny

Owner of a Lonely Heart

Seanzie

[Kito]

Y'all mentally jumping through hoops here.

Owner is just lying. Even without any extra info, it is clear as day. If she truly was a gift giver, she would have just claimed who she gave a gift to. You don't keep that a secret. Plus, she is outed scum. I don't know how many times I need to say it before this becomes clear.

Very likely scum has a giftgiver at this point though. And I kind of doubt it is Kito.

Did you read nanook's mech post to me? I would've agreed with you an hour ago but now you look wilfully ignorant.

Though I'm still kinda down for owner being scum regardless.

[Alison]

Not claim fruit vendor.

Mac, I get it. Your'e town and all, but I am in god mode right now. Just trust me.

I see you are repping a rolecop on Owner.

[Sloonei]

If Tangy is town then I'm out of deepwolf possibilities and scum is probably just all LHF that didn't have the clout to save nutella.

Would sonny qualify as a "deepwolf"?

[Alison]

If Tangy is town then I'm out of deepwolf possibilities and scum is probably just all LHF that didn't have the clout to save nutella.

Would sonny qualify as a "deepwolf"?

He hasn't had enough people lining up to proclaim his eternal towniness (at least at the point I am in the catchup, the early page 60s) for me to count him as deep.