Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[Kito]

I lived in England for 3.5 years and didn't hear a single instance of the word "bollocks" until the third year. I was displeased.

I should stream myself gaming. You'd hear it 3x per minute.

[MacDougall]

I lived in England for 3.5 years and didn't hear a single instance of the word "bollocks" until the third year. I was displeased.

you'd only have to spend 5 mins with me to hear it probably

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I explained that to Tangy at the end of the day when she questioned me for it then. Considering you know how many posts of mine have Dana in it and considering you did an interactive of me, and considering you’re questioning me on my vote at EoD, I imagine you’ve read pretty much all my posts including my end of day posts and already saw my explanation. You can go back and read what I wrote there if you want, and then if you still have questions afterwards, I’ll answer them.

I 100% guarantee you that I have not read every single post in this game. I'll go look at what you said.

[Kito]

You know in England they’re called red cheques.

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

hork and ki'o do NOT appreciate this mockery

better include some content before I get yelled at. hawk is town I believe

It wasn't TMI when I refused to vote or consider her before. Why now?

[MacDougall]

You know in England they’re called red cheques.

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

hork and ki'o do NOT appreciate this mockery

better include some content before I get yelled at. hawk is town I believe

The buddying warms my heart but you've already said that today, try again :P
(I've evolved from a ball of anxiety to a ball of paranoia, it would seem)

next stop ball of mania

*eagerly fills out 24x24 madness spreadsheet while bleeding out of eyes*

oh you were original interactions grid person? can you finish that off yet?

[MacDougall]

You know in England they’re called red cheques.

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

hork and ki'o do NOT appreciate this mockery

better include some content before I get yelled at. hawk is town I believe

It wasn't TMI when I refused to vote or consider her before. Why now?

I only just woke up fam

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey @Actvscenei you may want to move your vote ASAP.

Why and to whom?

Too late now, just... your vote was sitting on a person and you're the only vote. It isn't accomplishing anything active, that's all.

I tried the whole voting with consensus thing a couple times and it did me dirty lol. If the person I suspect the most happens to be the consensus vote, then so be it. But I won’t vote just because it’s the wagon. Dana is my top suspect with Belzy following close behind. That’s my vote.

Okay this doesn't nothing for me. Voting Dana was pointless.

[MacDougall]

akshally

[JaggedJimmyJay]

does* even

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: bad bunny] aubergine

[MacDougall]

bad bunny > hawk

[MacDougall]

@hawkataine @Kito got bad bunny reads?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The only positive I can offer for bad bunny is "PerC people told me she's town", which doesn't seem to apply to Owner.

Both are hard POE for me.

[hawkataine]

You know in England they’re called red cheques.

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

Sounds terrible.
Oh, and can you tell me how you're reading Owner right now?
And why do you think that you're a leading wagon?
Who are you reading as scum right now.
Please forgive me if these questions have already been asked and answered. I've been reading and catching up.

My thoughts on owner haven't evolved from like 20 pages ago primarily because I haven't read most of them yet
I think she looks bad from nutella interactions and specifically how nutella didn't seem interested in encouraging a wagon there when it was the most popular alternative to herself (nanook admittedly disagrees with my take on this which I am considering), also she's reminding me of when she subbed into tripped on adventure as scum
I've probably talked enough about myself at this point, promise the answers already are posted
I haven't really had time to consolidate my reads yet but at the very least the people I'm gonna reread for suspicion reasons today include owner, sonny, act... probably I should find some TS people as well hrm

[Kito]

Tbh I'm agreeing with Allcrab that bunny probably doesn't care this little as scum. Last time I saw her play scum she was pretty involved and solvy, until we mechanically miscleared her, then she dropped off the radar significantly. She's far from clear here and she evidently doesn't care about changing that

@MacDougall

She looks bad but it doesn't line up with what I expect of her scum play.

[Actvscenei]

I explained that to Tangy at the end of the day when she questioned me for it then. Considering you know how many posts of mine have Dana in it and considering you did an interactive of me, and considering you’re questioning me on my vote at EoD, I imagine you’ve read pretty much all my posts including my end of day posts and already saw my explanation. You can go back and read what I wrote there if you want, and then if you still have questions afterwards, I’ll answer them.

I 100% guarantee you that I have not read every single post in this game. I'll go look at what you said.

I didn’t say every single post in this game, so that’s definitely hyperbole lol. I just said you must have read all of my posts since you appear intimately knowledgeable of how many times I’ve talked about Dana (down to the number) and went through my interactions with Nutella. This is now the second time you are asking me to explain my vote at EoD and Tangy responded to you that she had a convo with me at EoD about it. At that point, if you were really wanting to know, I suspect you would have gone back to read it then if you hadn’t already.

[Sloonei]

I lived in England for 3.5 years and didn't hear a single instance of the word "bollocks" until the third year. I was displeased.

Sounds positively vexing

[hawkataine]

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

hork and ki'o do NOT appreciate this mockery

better include some content before I get yelled at. hawk is town I believe

The buddying warms my heart but you've already said that today, try again :P
(I've evolved from a ball of anxiety to a ball of paranoia, it would seem)

next stop ball of mania

*eagerly fills out 24x24 madness spreadsheet while bleeding out of eyes*

oh you were original interactions grid person? can you finish that off yet?

I've been sleeping and working since I posted yesterday so not much has been done but I am working on it again now

[Actvscenei]

Hey @Actvscenei you may want to move your vote ASAP.

Why and to whom?

Too late now, just... your vote was sitting on a person and you're the only vote. It isn't accomplishing anything active, that's all.

I tried the whole voting with consensus thing a couple times and it did me dirty lol. If the person I suspect the most happens to be the consensus vote, then so be it. But I won’t vote just because it’s the wagon. Dana is my top suspect with Belzy following close behind. That’s my vote.

Okay this doesn't nothing for me. Voting Dana was pointless.

I wasn’t voting Dana for you, so Lol. I suspected Dana, that’s where my vote was.

[Actvscenei]

The only positive I can offer for bad bunny is "PerC people told me she's town", which doesn't seem to apply to Owner.

Both are hard POE for me.

Which PerC people are saying she’s town?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I wasn’t voting Dana for you, so Lol. I suspected Dana, that’s where my vote was.

Sometimes it be like that, so okay. Keep doing your thing and I will assess further as I may.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The only positive I can offer for bad bunny is "PerC people told me she's town", which doesn't seem to apply to Owner.

Both are hard POE for me.

Which PerC people are saying she’s town?

Allcrab seemed quite confident. I don't believe they were the only one, though I'd need to go refresh myself.

[hawkataine]

@hawkataine @Kito got bad bunny reads?

Other than that one thing I mentioned at the time where she was talking around nutella towards day end, I got very little. She is currently in F4 on MafC so I'm kind of waiting to see how well she reenters here when that's over. Not sure if I have any meta on her somehow ',:/

Oh bad bunny is wisty @ whoever asked I think it was JJJ

The only positive I can offer for bad bunny is "PerC people told me she's town", which doesn't seem to apply to Owner.

Both are hard POE for me.

Which PerC people are saying she’s town?

Allcrab seemed quite confident. I don't believe they were the only one, though I'd need to go refresh myself.

They're a bit of a package deal, I'm a bit unclear on how well they read each other but I'd expect that out of the blue strength of read at least xD

[MacDougall]

hmmm something is afoot

[Actvscenei]

You know in England they’re called red cheques.

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

Sounds terrible.
Oh, and can you tell me how you're reading Owner right now?
And why do you think that you're a leading wagon?
Who are you reading as scum right now.
Please forgive me if these questions have already been asked and answered. I've been reading and catching up.

My thoughts on owner haven't evolved from like 20 pages ago primarily because I haven't read most of them yet
I think she looks bad from nutella interactions and specifically how nutella didn't seem interested in encouraging a wagon there when it was the most popular alternative to herself (nanook admittedly disagrees with my take on this which I am considering), also she's reminding me of when she subbed into tripped on adventure as scum
I've probably talked enough about myself at this point, promise the answers already are posted
I haven't really had time to consolidate my reads yet but at the very least the people I'm gonna reread for suspicion reasons today include owner, sonny, act... probably I should find some TS people as well hrm

Also, can you elaborate on why Sonny?

[Garden Gnome]

You know in England they’re called red cheques.

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

Sounds terrible.
Oh, and can you tell me how you're reading Owner right now?
And why do you think that you're a leading wagon?
Who are you reading as scum right now.
Please forgive me if these questions have already been asked and answered. I've been reading and catching up.

My thoughts on owner haven't evolved from like 20 pages ago primarily because I haven't read most of them yet
I think she looks bad from nutella interactions and specifically how nutella didn't seem interested in encouraging a wagon there when it was the most popular alternative to herself (nanook admittedly disagrees with my take on this which I am considering), also she's reminding me of when she subbed into tripped on adventure as scum
I've probably talked enough about myself at this point, promise the answers already are posted
I haven't really had time to consolidate my reads yet but at the very least the people I'm gonna reread for suspicion reasons today include owner, sonny, act... probably I should find some TS people as well hrm

Is it basically because of owner's interactions with nutella that is causing you to see her as looking bad? I read much of today's posts and have found nothing from owner. She seems to have disappeared (unless I'm going blind and just didn't see them). I'm wondering what to think of her dropoff in posts from yesterday to today. In my opinion, that doesn't look very towny, and I'm wondering what you're thinking.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I agree with that observation @Garden Gnome -- tangible drop in engagement from Owner that doesn't quite align to my other premier suspects apart maybe from bad bunny. Not good at face value.

[hawkataine]

You know in England they’re called red cheques.

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

Sounds terrible.
Oh, and can you tell me how you're reading Owner right now?
And why do you think that you're a leading wagon?
Who are you reading as scum right now.
Please forgive me if these questions have already been asked and answered. I've been reading and catching up.

My thoughts on owner haven't evolved from like 20 pages ago primarily because I haven't read most of them yet
I think she looks bad from nutella interactions and specifically how nutella didn't seem interested in encouraging a wagon there when it was the most popular alternative to herself (nanook admittedly disagrees with my take on this which I am considering), also she's reminding me of when she subbed into tripped on adventure as scum
I've probably talked enough about myself at this point, promise the answers already are posted
I haven't really had time to consolidate my reads yet but at the very least the people I'm gonna reread for suspicion reasons today include owner, sonny, act... probably I should find some TS people as well hrm

Also, can you elaborate on why Sonny?

I'm not gonna lie, it's pretty much because he's voting me and I'm offended
But having had that thought I did realise I was letting him have too much of a free pass. That list isn't really scum reads so much as people who I trust less than I did yesterday.

You know in England they’re called red cheques.

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

Sounds terrible.
Oh, and can you tell me how you're reading Owner right now?
And why do you think that you're a leading wagon?
Who are you reading as scum right now.
Please forgive me if these questions have already been asked and answered. I've been reading and catching up.

My thoughts on owner haven't evolved from like 20 pages ago primarily because I haven't read most of them yet
I think she looks bad from nutella interactions and specifically how nutella didn't seem interested in encouraging a wagon there when it was the most popular alternative to herself (nanook admittedly disagrees with my take on this which I am considering), also she's reminding me of when she subbed into tripped on adventure as scum
I've probably talked enough about myself at this point, promise the answers already are posted
I haven't really had time to consolidate my reads yet but at the very least the people I'm gonna reread for suspicion reasons today include owner, sonny, act... probably I should find some TS people as well hrm

Is it basically because of owner's interactions with nutella that is causing you to see her as looking bad? I read much of today's posts and have found nothing from owner. She seems to have disappeared (unless I'm going blind and just didn't see them). I'm wondering what to think of her dropoff in posts from yesterday to today. In my opinion, that doesn't look very towny, and I'm wondering what you're thinking.

I mean partly that but partly the other thing I said that I've been saying since yesterday lol
which is that yes I feel like she's actively hiding in the thread backlog instead of being excited by new people. but also I don't want to be like no activity = scum, but also there's not much going for her tbh
will reread anyway

[Actvscenei]

I agree with that observation @Garden Gnome -- tangible drop in engagement from Owner that doesn't quite align to my other premier suspects apart maybe from bad bunny. Not good at face value.

Why is activity level a factor? Owner had been suspected prior to the fruit scandal and remained in the game. Maybe I have an inaccurate perception of time...is there a pattern of Owner dropping off when under suspicion?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I agree with that observation @Garden Gnome -- tangible drop in engagement from Owner that doesn't quite align to my other premier suspects apart maybe from bad bunny. Not good at face value.

Why is activity level a factor? Owner had been suspected prior to the fruit scandal and remained in the game. Maybe I have an inaccurate perception of time...is there a pattern of Owner dropping off when under suspicion?

It's not a meta read. I rarely bother with those unless I think it's truly applicable. As a general rule, I think mafia members are more likely to trail off in activity under constant pressure than town players are. That's not absolute, but it would align with my experience.

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: OWNER] aubergine

[Actvscenei]

I agree with that observation @Garden Gnome -- tangible drop in engagement from Owner that doesn't quite align to my other premier suspects apart maybe from bad bunny. Not good at face value.

Why is activity level a factor? Owner had been suspected prior to the fruit scandal and remained in the game. Maybe I have an inaccurate perception of time...is there a pattern of Owner dropping off when under suspicion?

It's not a meta read. I rarely bother with those unless I think it's truly applicable. As a general rule, I think mafia members are more likely to trail off in activity under constant pressure than town players are. That's not absolute, but it would align with my experience.

I meant a pattern in this game. For example, I would agree if there was evidence in the game to suggest Owner flakes at suspicion. However, there is evidence to the contrary. She’s been under suspicion and from what I remember (and could be wrong), she remained. This is not to say I’m not suspicious of Owner (I think I explained myself in my long post earlier lol), but I do not like this reason for suspecting her.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I meant a pattern in this game. For example, I would agree if there was evidence in the game to suggest Owner flakes at suspicion. However, there is evidence to the contrary. She’s been under suspicion and from what I remember (and could be wrong), she remained. This is not to say I’m not suspicious of Owner (I think I explained myself in my long post earlier lol), but I do not like this reason for suspecting her.

It's a war of attrition. Eventually the will is defeated even if after valiant efforts before.

I've seen it too many times to count. I think nutella even did it a bit on Day 1. It doesn't have to make Owner mafia, but it's something I have heaped onto the pile.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've seen at least some vague suspicion from PerC folks about Sonny, and it'd be cool to get a better grip on that. He's a player I view as one of the more likely among my non-POE'd town reads to be one I'm wrong about. But similarly, that's a vague vibe on my part.

[Garden Gnome]

You know in England they’re called red cheques.

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

Sounds terrible.
Oh, and can you tell me how you're reading Owner right now?
And why do you think that you're a leading wagon?
Who are you reading as scum right now.
Please forgive me if these questions have already been asked and answered. I've been reading and catching up.

My thoughts on owner haven't evolved from like 20 pages ago primarily because I haven't read most of them yet
I think she looks bad from nutella interactions and specifically how nutella didn't seem interested in encouraging a wagon there when it was the most popular alternative to herself (nanook admittedly disagrees with my take on this which I am considering), also she's reminding me of when she subbed into tripped on adventure as scum
I've probably talked enough about myself at this point, promise the answers already are posted
I haven't really had time to consolidate my reads yet but at the very least the people I'm gonna reread for suspicion reasons today include owner, sonny, act... probably I should find some TS people as well hrm

Also, can you elaborate on why Sonny?

I'm not gonna lie, it's pretty much because he's voting me and I'm offended
But having had that thought I did realise I was letting him have too much of a free pass. That list isn't really scum reads so much as people who I trust less than I did yesterday.

You know in England they’re called red cheques.

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

Sounds terrible.
Oh, and can you tell me how you're reading Owner right now?
And why do you think that you're a leading wagon?
Who are you reading as scum right now.
Please forgive me if these questions have already been asked and answered. I've been reading and catching up.

My thoughts on owner haven't evolved from like 20 pages ago primarily because I haven't read most of them yet
I think she looks bad from nutella interactions and specifically how nutella didn't seem interested in encouraging a wagon there when it was the most popular alternative to herself (nanook admittedly disagrees with my take on this which I am considering), also she's reminding me of when she subbed into tripped on adventure as scum
I've probably talked enough about myself at this point, promise the answers already are posted
I haven't really had time to consolidate my reads yet but at the very least the people I'm gonna reread for suspicion reasons today include owner, sonny, act... probably I should find some TS people as well hrm

Is it basically because of owner's interactions with nutella that is causing you to see her as looking bad? I read much of today's posts and have found nothing from owner. She seems to have disappeared (unless I'm going blind and just didn't see them). I'm wondering what to think of her dropoff in posts from yesterday to today. In my opinion, that doesn't look very towny, and I'm wondering what you're thinking.

I mean partly that but partly the other thing I said that I've been saying since yesterday lol
which is that yes I feel like she's actively hiding in the thread backlog instead of being excited by new people. but also I don't want to be like no activity = scum, but also there's not much going for her tbh
will reread anyway

In your opinion, is hiding in the thread backlog, something that scum!owner is likely to do? Or is her bad look from yesterday and her nonpresence today making her seem like low hanging fruit? Also, what do you think of her wagon? Do you think that it's clean or that there is scum on it? Right now, I don't know how to read Owner so I am trying to explore all possibilities.

[Garden Gnome]

I agree with that observation @Garden Gnome -- tangible drop in engagement from Owner that doesn't quite align to my other premier suspects apart maybe from bad bunny. Not good at face value.

Why is activity level a factor? Owner had been suspected prior to the fruit scandal and remained in the game. Maybe I have an inaccurate perception of time...is there a pattern of Owner dropping off when under suspicion?

All right. Could you talk to me about the fruit scandal? I have read most of the posts but I can't seem to find the source of the fruit scandal. Do you suspect that some sort of fake claim was involved and that Owner vanished because of the suspicion?

[hawkataine]

► Show Spoiler

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

Sounds terrible.
Oh, and can you tell me how you're reading Owner right now?
And why do you think that you're a leading wagon?
Who are you reading as scum right now.
Please forgive me if these questions have already been asked and answered. I've been reading and catching up.

My thoughts on owner haven't evolved from like 20 pages ago primarily because I haven't read most of them yet
I think she looks bad from nutella interactions and specifically how nutella didn't seem interested in encouraging a wagon there when it was the most popular alternative to herself (nanook admittedly disagrees with my take on this which I am considering), also she's reminding me of when she subbed into tripped on adventure as scum
I've probably talked enough about myself at this point, promise the answers already are posted
I haven't really had time to consolidate my reads yet but at the very least the people I'm gonna reread for suspicion reasons today include owner, sonny, act... probably I should find some TS people as well hrm

Also, can you elaborate on why Sonny?

I'm not gonna lie, it's pretty much because he's voting me and I'm offended
But having had that thought I did realise I was letting him have too much of a free pass. That list isn't really scum reads so much as people who I trust less than I did yesterday.

► Show Spoiler

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

Sounds terrible.
Oh, and can you tell me how you're reading Owner right now?
And why do you think that you're a leading wagon?
Who are you reading as scum right now.
Please forgive me if these questions have already been asked and answered. I've been reading and catching up.

My thoughts on owner haven't evolved from like 20 pages ago primarily because I haven't read most of them yet
I think she looks bad from nutella interactions and specifically how nutella didn't seem interested in encouraging a wagon there when it was the most popular alternative to herself (nanook admittedly disagrees with my take on this which I am considering), also she's reminding me of when she subbed into tripped on adventure as scum
I've probably talked enough about myself at this point, promise the answers already are posted
I haven't really had time to consolidate my reads yet but at the very least the people I'm gonna reread for suspicion reasons today include owner, sonny, act... probably I should find some TS people as well hrm

Is it basically because of owner's interactions with nutella that is causing you to see her as looking bad? I read much of today's posts and have found nothing from owner. She seems to have disappeared (unless I'm going blind and just didn't see them). I'm wondering what to think of her dropoff in posts from yesterday to today. In my opinion, that doesn't look very towny, and I'm wondering what you're thinking.

I mean partly that but partly the other thing I said that I've been saying since yesterday lol
which is that yes I feel like she's actively hiding in the thread backlog instead of being excited by new people. but also I don't want to be like no activity = scum, but also there's not much going for her tbh
will reread anyway

In your opinion, is hiding in the thread backlog, something that scum!owner is likely to do? Or is her bad look from yesterday and her nonpresence today making her seem like low hanging fruit? Also, what do you think of her wagon? Do you think that it's clean or that there is scum on it? Right now, I don't know how to read Owner so I am trying to explore all possibilities.

Yes, that's what I have been referencing this whole time with the Tripped on an Adventure sub meta. Sure she's LHF but like there are also legit reasons to suspect her so meh? The wagon is pretty big but I haven't even got to reading this fruit vendor drama yet so will have a look after that xD I'm not super confident reading owner either fwiw so if these questions are looking to sheep me then maybe look elsewhere

[Actvscenei]

I agree with that observation @Garden Gnome -- tangible drop in engagement from Owner that doesn't quite align to my other premier suspects apart maybe from bad bunny. Not good at face value.

Why is activity level a factor? Owner had been suspected prior to the fruit scandal and remained in the game. Maybe I have an inaccurate perception of time...is there a pattern of Owner dropping off when under suspicion?

All right. Could you talk to me about the fruit scandal? I have read most of the posts but I can't seem to find the source of the fruit scandal. Do you suspect that some sort of fake claim was involved and that Owner vanished because of the suspicion?

From my understanding, Owner claimed she sent fruit to someone. People assumed she sent the fruit to Jay. Jay said no fruit here. And Seanzie has been hardcore pushing for votes on her ever since. I mean, I’m generalizing, others have called her suspicious for the fruit too, I think, but no one is pushing for her votes more than Seanzie. So that’s what stands out to me.

My unsolicited opinion on the fruit matter is that she can easily lie about sending fruit to someone. It’s a closed game lol. Someone suggested it’s an easy check, but she can say “I sent fruit. No one got it? Ah man. Something must have interfered” and how could we argue that? Scum can easily hide behind claims this game. And sending fruit is such an easy claim to hide behind because it’s super harmless (I think?) and either someone confirms getting fruit or no one does and like I said, easy hideout. But if Owner did have an action and someone happened to see her, she can always say “it was the fruit” rather than perhaps something more sinister that she may have actually done. So long story short, she could easily still be scum. Or she could be town. Maybe she actually did send fruit haha.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Perhaps while we wait for Owner to reveal the fruit target, it's meaningful that nobody has claimed to have received fruit.

[Actvscenei]

Perhaps while we wait for Owner to reveal the fruit target, it's meaningful that nobody has claimed to have received fruit.

I agree. I think at this point, everyone has posted at least once since Owner claimed the fruit?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lemme verify.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Owner of a Lonely Heart you're here!

Did you target JJJ?

I sent a fruit. It doesn't do much. The person I sent it to hasn't brought it up yet.

Just posting this to reference the time stamp.

[Actvscenei]

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Maybe I’ll move it back to Dana, maybe I won’t. I’m happy moving it here for now.

[Actvscenei]

@Owner of a Lonely Heart, your vote is still on a mechanically confirmed townie. For what it’s worth.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Looks like these three have not posted since the fruit claim:

Alison
Made
Martin

Also technically possible Belzy could have done so but didn't think to before blasting Tangy.

Would have a lol if it's poison fruit and Alison is the target.

[Garden Gnome]

I agree with that observation @Garden Gnome -- tangible drop in engagement from Owner that doesn't quite align to my other premier suspects apart maybe from bad bunny. Not good at face value.

Why is activity level a factor? Owner had been suspected prior to the fruit scandal and remained in the game. Maybe I have an inaccurate perception of time...is there a pattern of Owner dropping off when under suspicion?

All right. Could you talk to me about the fruit scandal? I have read most of the posts but I can't seem to find the source of the fruit scandal. Do you suspect that some sort of fake claim was involved and that Owner vanished because of the suspicion?

From my understanding, Owner claimed she sent fruit to someone. People assumed she sent the fruit to Jay. Jay said no fruit here. And Seanzie has been hardcore pushing for votes on her ever since. I mean, I’m generalizing, others have called her suspicious for the fruit too, I think, but no one is pushing for her votes more than Seanzie. So that’s what stands out to me.

My unsolicited opinion on the fruit matter is that she can easily lie about sending fruit to someone. It’s a closed game lol. Someone suggested it’s an easy check, but she can say “I sent fruit. No one got it? Ah man. Something must have interfered” and how could we argue that? Scum can easily hide behind claims this game. And sending fruit is such an easy claim to hide behind because it’s super harmless (I think?) and either someone confirms getting fruit or no one does and like I said, easy hideout. But if Owner did have an action and someone happened to see her, she can always say “it was the fruit” rather than perhaps something more sinister that she may have actually done. So long story short, she could easily still be scum. Or she could be town. Maybe she actually did send fruit haha.

All of these seem like plausible scenarios.
For follow-up: what do you think about Seanzie's hard push on Owner, seeing that he is pushing the hardest? What do you think that says about his alignment? Could he be strong town because he believes that he's caught a scum and wants to push hard for it? Or do you have a different view of Seanzie's intentions, something not so pro-town?

Also, what do you think of the wagon on Hawkataine?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If Garden Gnome is supposed to be an enigma wrapped inside a pancake, is it typical of her to ask pointed game-relevant questions like these?

[Actvscenei]

Looks like these three have not posted since the fruit claim:

Alison
Made
Martin

Also technically possible Belzy could have done so but didn't think to before blasting Tangy.

Would have a lol if it's poison fruit and Alison is the target.

Ooohhh!! Theories! Lol Is poisoned fruit a thing in mafia?

[Actvscenei]

I agree with that observation @Garden Gnome -- tangible drop in engagement from Owner that doesn't quite align to my other premier suspects apart maybe from bad bunny. Not good at face value.

Why is activity level a factor? Owner had been suspected prior to the fruit scandal and remained in the game. Maybe I have an inaccurate perception of time...is there a pattern of Owner dropping off when under suspicion?

All right. Could you talk to me about the fruit scandal? I have read most of the posts but I can't seem to find the source of the fruit scandal. Do you suspect that some sort of fake claim was involved and that Owner vanished because of the suspicion?

From my understanding, Owner claimed she sent fruit to someone. People assumed she sent the fruit to Jay. Jay said no fruit here. And Seanzie has been hardcore pushing for votes on her ever since. I mean, I’m generalizing, others have called her suspicious for the fruit too, I think, but no one is pushing for her votes more than Seanzie. So that’s what stands out to me.

My unsolicited opinion on the fruit matter is that she can easily lie about sending fruit to someone. It’s a closed game lol. Someone suggested it’s an easy check, but she can say “I sent fruit. No one got it? Ah man. Something must have interfered” and how could we argue that? Scum can easily hide behind claims this game. And sending fruit is such an easy claim to hide behind because it’s super harmless (I think?) and either someone confirms getting fruit or no one does and like I said, easy hideout. But if Owner did have an action and someone happened to see her, she can always say “it was the fruit” rather than perhaps something more sinister that she may have actually done. So long story short, she could easily still be scum. Or she could be town. Maybe she actually did send fruit haha.

All of these seem like plausible scenarios.
For follow-up: what do you think about Seanzie's hard push on Owner, seeing that he is pushing the hardest? What do you think that says about his alignment? Could he be strong town because he believes that he's caught a scum and wants to push hard for it? Or do you have a different view of Seanzie's intentions, something not so pro-town?

Also, what do you think of the wagon on Hawkataine?

The most I think of that is what I already talked about in my new published book on page 68, volume 1. Lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ooohhh!! Theories! Lol Is poisoned fruit a thing in mafia?

At this point I think everything is a thing in Mafia.