The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[Marmot]

Marmot are you solving here or just conversing?

Mainly the latter, with a touch of the former.

Wanna talk about Made?

Sure, I have no read on Made because I haven't seen any posts from him yet. What are your thoughts?

[Timsup2nothin]

Marmot are you solving here or just conversing?

Mainly the latter, with a touch of the former.

Wanna talk about Made?

Sure, I have no read on Made because I haven't seen any posts from him yet. What are your thoughts?

You probably saw his posts but glazed over them. He is posting music videos.

[BoKnows]

Qwags is a CDC bro. He knows KZA

[Marmot]

note to self, if you role scum, just don't post anything of substance. People will forget about you and then you win

Instructions unclear because that’s all you’ve done and it’s obvious

(lyrics relevant)

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Alright I'll fight you.


I don't think Made's ever used a gimmick like this before. But I could see him being blatant about it after rolling mafia and getting yeeted Day 1 in our last game.

[Timsup2nothin]

note to self, if you role scum, just don't post anything of substance. People will forget about you and then you win

Particularly interesting sample of a Made post.

[Marmot]

Marmot are you solving here or just conversing?

Mainly the latter, with a touch of the former.

Wanna talk about Made?

Sure, I have no read on Made because I haven't seen any posts from him yet. What are your thoughts?

You probably saw his posts but glazed over them. He is posting music videos.

I see that, but what do you think about it?

[Timsup2nothin]

Spoiler: show

note to self, if you role scum, just don't post anything of substance. People will forget about you and then you win

Instructions unclear because that’s all you’ve done and it’s obvious

(lyrics relevant)

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Alright I'll fight you.


I don't think Made's ever used a gimmick like this before. But I could see him being blatant about it after rolling mafia and getting yeeted Day 1 in our last game.

Having recently stomped as wolf being a gimmick poster that just...went unchallenged...I think at the least he has to feel some heat.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

@Made this is where you need to decide how committed you are to your gimmick.

[Syn]

I'd also chop Made because I kind of hate gimmick slots

Unless something better presents itself I'm looking between Made and Seanzie.

bottom tier solve

"let's chop a gimmick" is almost as bad as "let's chop a d1 no-poster"

shades of newbie tim pre-MU here

Are you suggesting you have a better idea?

yes, we should chop tim for making bad reads and pointless wall posts on D1

Do you have any reads, good or bad?

you are literally asking that question in direct response to a read

[Syn]

Scotty is probably town for leading the thread in post count in his post count in his first game back AND looking remarkably comfortable and engaged.

yes, except no

[Kylemii]

oh wait, you want me to town read you? your reads r wrong and jks. why would I town read you

stay in null and be grateful.

idc how you read me, i'm asking you this shit cus i'm trying to read you

Kyle using the word "shit" has me all sorts of confused. Are you annoyed?

I was annoyed, but i wasn't meaning to be aggressive with the wording just like "I'm tired and need to be blunt to get my point across because I feel like I'm not being taken seriously"

you've heard and seen me me swear before, and you've seen me be annoyed in similar circumstances in a mafia game before, why confused?

[Syn]

note to self, if you role scum, just don't post anything of substance. People will forget about you and then you win

Instructions unclear because that’s all you’ve done and it’s obvious

(lyrics relevant)

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Alright I'll fight you.


I don't think Made's ever used a gimmick like this before. But I could see him being blatant about it after rolling mafia and getting yeeted Day 1 in our last game.

and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

[Marmot]

Qwags is a CDC bro. He knows KZA

So probably NAI (even if the timing of the post was comical), but I'd like to hear more from him than his thoughts on KZA. Of his 10 posts, here are 4 of them.

Spoiler: show

Everyone meet my friend Qwags, Qwags meet everyone.

Don't forget about KZA. He is also my friend and an all around cool guy.

Anyway Qwags is always kind of scummy no matter his alignment

Flanders brought this up first which made me town read him since if I were mafia I would not bother bringing up that sort of meta and just push him instead

I guess they could be w/w but hopefully not

Kza being brutal. No surprise there.

KZA being scummy?

That's just how he plays.

KZA being scummy?

That's just how he plays.

Where did you come from

The heavens above, to tell you that KZA isn't scum.

And with this one being the only post where he talked about someone other than KZA.

@Qwags what other reads do you have

I wanna know why Tim wanted to vote Senzie so quickly. Seems to be a vote just for the sake of voting.

If either of these two are a wolf, I'd believe it to be Qwags, and not a w/w interaction. I also saw that someone (another CDCer, I forget who), mentioned that Qwags plays kinda scummy regardless, is this what you'd expect from him?

[Timsup2nothin]

Unless something better presents itself I'm looking between Made and Seanzie.

bottom tier solve

"let's chop a gimmick" is almost as bad as "let's chop a d1 no-poster"

shades of newbie tim pre-MU here

Are you suggesting you have a better idea?

yes, we should chop tim for making bad reads and pointless wall posts on D1

Do you have any reads, good or bad?

you are literally asking that question in direct response to a read

Note that I used the plural. I am aware you have the "read" that you had before the game started. Do you have any others?

[Timsup2nothin]

Spoiler: show

note to self, if you role scum, just don't post anything of substance. People will forget about you and then you win

Instructions unclear because that’s all you’ve done and it’s obvious

(lyrics relevant)

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Alright I'll fight you.


I don't think Made's ever used a gimmick like this before. But I could see him being blatant about it after rolling mafia and getting yeeted Day 1 in our last game.

and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

Why?

[Marmot]

and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

Nice backhand. What's the point of this post?

[Syn]

because he's sheeping you a minute after you asked him to and pretending like it's logical

"made is gimmick posting because he's game-throwing after getting chopped d1 last game :zany-face:"

whew let's go

[Syn]

and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

Nice backhand. What's the point of this post?

it is not a backhand

it's very direct

your post made you scummy

[DaisyCloud]

@Marmot are you on MU? I have 2-3 games i played there that I randed mafia on that site. im not at home so I can't exactly go on there and link them for you directly. u can look at my profile tho. iirc it will say? if u r not in a hurry then I can have it for you before eod.

and yeah all the games I have played here I randed town.

far as I know my town and scum me is pretty much the same. I think on MU when I randed mafia I was waaaay more awkward.

I have been told im more concise and clear as mafia, more logical. idk I have tried to be more like mafia!daisy as she is away smarter but it doesn't work out.

[Timsup2nothin]

and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

Nice backhand. What's the point of this post?

it is not a backhand

it's very direct

your post made you scummy

He put pressure on a gimmick poster that easily could be a wolf. Maybe Made makes a case for himself as town. Maybe he cracks. At least Marmot is putting forth an effort. What does town gain from snarking at him for that?

[DaisyCloud]

oh wait, you want me to town read you? your reads r wrong and jks. why would I town read you

stay in null and be grateful.

idc how you read me, i'm asking you this shit cus i'm trying to read you

Kyle using the word "shit" has me all sorts of confused. Are you annoyed?

I was annoyed, but i wasn't meaning to be aggressive with the wording just like "I'm tired and need to be blunt to get my point across because I feel like I'm not being taken seriously"

you've heard and seen me me swear before, and you've seen me be annoyed in similar circumstances in a mafia game before, why confused?

I. sorry I annoyed you. idk what u want from me. I still am confusion.

[Marmot]

oh wait, you want me to town read you? your reads r wrong and jks. why would I town read you

stay in null and be grateful.

idc how you read me, i'm asking you this shit cus i'm trying to read you

Kyle using the word "shit" has me all sorts of confused. Are you annoyed?

I was annoyed, but i wasn't meaning to be aggressive with the wording just like "I'm tired and need to be blunt to get my point across because I feel like I'm not being taken seriously"

you've heard and seen me me swear before, and you've seen me be annoyed in similar circumstances in a mafia game before, why confused?

No, this is completely opposite what I generally see from you in mafia. Or what I expect to anyway. I expect a lot of fluff with a little dose of mafia-ing mixed in. But now that you mention it, I do remember you having some frustration in our last game together, and that stemmed from my teammate gaslighting you. I dunno, it does seem out of character in general.

Also, you're wallposting way more than I ever see from you (but maybe you're just practicing for champs).

[Syn]

and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

Nice backhand. What's the point of this post?

it is not a backhand

it's very direct

your post made you scummy

He put pressure on a gimmick poster that easily could be a wolf. Maybe Made makes a case for himself as town. Maybe he cracks. At least Marmot is putting forth an effort. What does town gain from snarking at him for that?

again

it is not snark

it is very direct

his post made him scummy

you and marmot need to try harder at this

[Syn]

"maybe he cracks" lol

can either of you make a case on Made that doesn't rely on calling him bad at the game?

[Timsup2nothin]

and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

Nice backhand. What's the point of this post?

it is not a backhand

it's very direct

your post made you scummy

He put pressure on a gimmick poster that easily could be a wolf. Maybe Made makes a case for himself as town. Maybe he cracks. At least Marmot is putting forth an effort. What does town gain from snarking at him for that?

again

it is not snark

it is very direct

his post made him scummy

you and marmot need to try harder at this

How does putting pressure on Made cause "town equity plummets"?

[Marmot]

because he's sheeping you a minute after you asked him to and pretending like it's logical

"made is gimmick posting because he's game-throwing after getting chopped d1 last game :zany-face:"

whew let's go

Do you think Made is town using a random gimmick for the lulz?

Sheeping is a fine strategy, and it's often needed to work together as town. Also, technically I didn't sheep, tim asked me for my thoughts on Made, and I gave them.

[Syn]

and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

Nice backhand. What's the point of this post?

it is not a backhand

it's very direct

your post made you scummy

He put pressure on a gimmick poster that easily could be a wolf. Maybe Made makes a case for himself as town. Maybe he cracks. At least Marmot is putting forth an effort. What does town gain from snarking at him for that?

again

it is not snark

it is very direct

his post made him scummy

you and marmot need to try harder at this

How does putting pressure on Made cause "town equity plummets"?

you'll find out when you're older, son

[Syn]

because he's sheeping you a minute after you asked him to and pretending like it's logical

"made is gimmick posting because he's game-throwing after getting chopped d1 last game :zany-face:"

whew let's go

Do you think Made is town using a random gimmick for the lulz?

Sheeping is a fine strategy, and it's often needed to work together as town. Also, technically I didn't sheep, tim asked me for my thoughts on Made, and I gave them.

that explains 99% of gimmicks yes

[Timsup2nothin]

"maybe he cracks" lol

can either of you make a case on Made that doesn't rely on calling him bad at the game?

Maybe, if we can get him to participate. This is just so weird coming from you. You had a front row seat for "gimmick posting wolf goes unchallenged for two days, leads wolf sweep." Why would you of all people be here saying "awww, Made's just got a cute gimmick, leave him be"?

[Marmot]

"maybe he cracks" lol

can either of you make a case on Made that doesn't rely on calling him bad at the game?

Point 1: Made does not appear to be solving the game

Point 2: Made parked a vote on Nanook, another player who is using a pseudo-gimmick.

Point 3: To his point about slanking and skating along, I think it's reasonable to apply pressure and get input from him.

[DaisyCloud]

and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

Nice backhand. What's the point of this post?

it is not a backhand

it's very direct

your post made you scummy

He put pressure on a gimmick poster that easily could be a wolf. Maybe Made makes a case for himself as town. Maybe he cracks. At least Marmot is putting forth an effort. What does town gain from snarking at him for that?

again

it is not snark

it is very direct

his post made him scummy

you and marmot need to try harder at this

I'm like not either of them but like I think made is kinda playing like last game. and in last game he randed mafia. but I don't go 100% with meta only. so he is null and maybe leaning scum.

not enough to vote him yet.

I don't like how tim seems so sure about stuff. what r your thoughts on that?

[Timsup2nothin]

because he's sheeping you a minute after you asked him to and pretending like it's logical

"made is gimmick posting because he's game-throwing after getting chopped d1 last game :zany-face:"

whew let's go

Do you think Made is town using a random gimmick for the lulz?

Sheeping is a fine strategy, and it's often needed to work together as town. Also, technically I didn't sheep, tim asked me for my thoughts on Made, and I gave them.

that explains 99% of gimmicks yes

You just pulled that number out of your butt, and I think the last two times you have encountered gimmick posters they were both wolfing and rode the gimmick to wins for the wolves so it seems odd that as town you wouldn't have any concerns about Made.

[Marmot]

because he's sheeping you a minute after you asked him to and pretending like it's logical

"made is gimmick posting because he's game-throwing after getting chopped d1 last game :zany-face:"

whew let's go

Do you think Made is town using a random gimmick for the lulz?

Sheeping is a fine strategy, and it's often needed to work together as town. Also, technically I didn't sheep, tim asked me for my thoughts on Made, and I gave them.

that explains 99% of gimmicks yes

Please host a Gimmick Mafia game, where everyone is forced to post in a different gimmick each day.

[DaisyCloud]

"maybe he cracks" lol

can either of you make a case on Made that doesn't rely on calling him bad at the game?

Maybe, if we can get him to participate. This is just so weird coming from you. You had a front row seat for "gimmick posting wolf goes unchallenged for two days, leads wolf sweep." Why would you of all people be here saying "awww, Made's just got a cute gimmick, leave him be"?

oh, so this happened.

but remember in Upick and that one player was only posting with memes and gifs and he was 3rd party scum and u was okay with that?

how is this different?

see typically I scum read these kinds of gimmicks because it maybe fun for them but it isn't helping to find scum. but like I learned it can be different. so how is this not different

[Timsup2nothin]

because he's sheeping you a minute after you asked him to and pretending like it's logical

"made is gimmick posting because he's game-throwing after getting chopped d1 last game :zany-face:"

whew let's go

Do you think Made is town using a random gimmick for the lulz?

Sheeping is a fine strategy, and it's often needed to work together as town. Also, technically I didn't sheep, tim asked me for my thoughts on Made, and I gave them.

that explains 99% of gimmicks yes

Please host a Gimmick Mafia game, where everyone is forced to post in a different gimmick each day.

He just did that.

Oh, wait.

Yeah that wasn't everyone.

[Marmot]

@Marmot are you on MU? I have 2-3 games i played there that I randed mafia on that site. im not at home so I can't exactly go on there and link them for you directly. u can look at my profile tho. iirc it will say? if u r not in a hurry then I can have it for you before eod.

and yeah all the games I have played here I randed town.

far as I know my town and scum me is pretty much the same. I think on MU when I randed mafia I was waaaay more awkward.

I have been told im more concise and clear as mafia, more logical. idk I have tried to be more like mafia!daisy as she is away smarter but it doesn't work out.

I won't have time to read before EOD (I need to fill out a couple job apps). I do have an MU account, so thanks, I'll check when I can!

[Syn]

"maybe he cracks" lol

can either of you make a case on Made that doesn't rely on calling him bad at the game?

Maybe, if we can get him to participate. This is just so weird coming from you. You had a front row seat for "gimmick posting wolf goes unchallenged for two days, leads wolf sweep." Why would you of all people be here saying "awww, Made's just got a cute gimmick, leave him be"?

I had a front row seat to you actively utilizing the gimmick to manipulate town

Made hasn't done shit with his gimmick, there's no manipulation happening, there's no fake "woe betide my unholy fate to gif post by the evil host" going on, he's just posting some music while a solid portion of the player list outright isn't even posting

focusing on only the people who are doing gimmicks is just bottom tier if you can't point to motive or interactions

because he's sheeping you a minute after you asked him to and pretending like it's logical

"made is gimmick posting because he's game-throwing after getting chopped d1 last game :zany-face:"

whew let's go

Do you think Made is town using a random gimmick for the lulz?

Sheeping is a fine strategy, and it's often needed to work together as town. Also, technically I didn't sheep, tim asked me for my thoughts on Made, and I gave them.

that explains 99% of gimmicks yes

You just pulled that number out of your butt, and I think the last two times you have encountered gimmick posters they were both wolfing and rode the gimmick to wins for the wolves so it seems odd that as town you wouldn't have any concerns about Made.

what's the second game?

[Syn]

and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

Nice backhand. What's the point of this post?

it is not a backhand

it's very direct

your post made you scummy

He put pressure on a gimmick poster that easily could be a wolf. Maybe Made makes a case for himself as town. Maybe he cracks. At least Marmot is putting forth an effort. What does town gain from snarking at him for that?

again

it is not snark

it is very direct

his post made him scummy

you and marmot need to try harder at this

I'm like not either of them but like I think made is kinda playing like last game. and in last game he randed mafia. but I don't go 100% with meta only. so he is null and maybe leaning scum.

not enough to vote him yet.

I don't like how tim seems so sure about stuff. what r your thoughts on that?

do you really need to ask what my thoughts on tim are

[Timsup2nothin]

"maybe he cracks" lol

can either of you make a case on Made that doesn't rely on calling him bad at the game?

Maybe, if we can get him to participate. This is just so weird coming from you. You had a front row seat for "gimmick posting wolf goes unchallenged for two days, leads wolf sweep." Why would you of all people be here saying "awww, Made's just got a cute gimmick, leave him be"?

oh, so this happened.

but remember in Upick and that one player was only posting with memes and gifs and he was 3rd party scum and u was okay with that?

how is this different?

see typically I scum read these kinds of gimmicks because it maybe fun for them but it isn't helping to find scum. but like I learned it can be different. so how is this not different

In UPick I was kinda sure that Epi was gif posting as required by his role, not out of his own intent. I worked with him pretty hard on "translating" his gifs and while he was a serial killer we did get him leashed.

If Made wants to lean into his gimmick, but still actually communicate thoughts and contribute to solving the game I have some time and I'll try to work with it, although the music vids thing is a higher level of pain in the butt because they are time eaters compared to gif posts. But hey, I am the last person who would condemn gimmick posters out of hand...if they are working to solve.

[falcon45ca]

Hello! Sorry for my absence so far - I'm reading through the game a little now but will catch up in full tonight when I am settled in and done with errands!

Don't forget to apologize for your absence again when you pop in to tell us you're still catching up on the game!

I want nacho to come post and play too, but this is kind of a passive-aggressive way to request it of him.

@Nachomamma8 come play with us!

It is? Well, fuck.



I was going for just plain ol' aggressive, guess I missed the mark.

[Timsup2nothin]

"maybe he cracks" lol

can either of you make a case on Made that doesn't rely on calling him bad at the game?

Maybe, if we can get him to participate. This is just so weird coming from you. You had a front row seat for "gimmick posting wolf goes unchallenged for two days, leads wolf sweep." Why would you of all people be here saying "awww, Made's just got a cute gimmick, leave him be"?

I had a front row seat to you actively utilizing the gimmick to manipulate town

Made hasn't done shit with his gimmick, there's no manipulation happening, there's no fake "woe betide my unholy fate to gif post by the evil host" going on, he's just posting some music while a solid portion of the player list outright isn't even posting

focusing on only the people who are doing gimmicks is just bottom tier if you can't point to motive or interactions

because he's sheeping you a minute after you asked him to and pretending like it's logical

"made is gimmick posting because he's game-throwing after getting chopped d1 last game :zany-face:"

whew let's go

Do you think Made is town using a random gimmick for the lulz?

Sheeping is a fine strategy, and it's often needed to work together as town. Also, technically I didn't sheep, tim asked me for my thoughts on Made, and I gave them.

that explains 99% of gimmicks yes

You just pulled that number out of your butt, and I think the last two times you have encountered gimmick posters they were both wolfing and rode the gimmick to wins for the wolves so it seems odd that as town you wouldn't have any concerns about Made.

what's the second game?

Mario 2, won by wolfGuillo.

As to the "not doing shit with his gimmick," as current reigning expert in the subject all you want from a gimmick on day one is to be left alone. I had a hydra partner and a wolf team, all of which were uncomfortable with the gimmick. If town had put me under significant day one pressure and I had been forced to try to "explain myself" in gifs my own team would have backed the town and with pressure from all sides I might have had to fold.

You are offering no better alternative, because your entire case for the only read or push you have is "well he's Tim." If you really are committed to defending Made's gimmick here you need to present something better for town to do.

[falcon45ca]

Syn, Kyle, Monkey, Quin.


I'd like to hear other player's thoughts on these 4 plz.

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Unless it’s their meta, I think KZA voting for low-hanging fruit Marmot right now is scummy. I can name about 5 other names that have more content and are objectively, subjectively scummier.

CMV

I didn't think anything of it, but I'm not compelled to TR him for it.

Nothing that has been brought forth has changed my view on this.

Actually, Qwags swooping in from his hoverboard to white knight KZA made me deepen my scum lean on both of them

Yeah I asked my hardcore slanking wolf bro to come in post his first read as hard shielding me with no attached reasoning, elite play

What do you make of that post? Do you and Qwags know each other?

Sorry to interrupt, but Qwags always mafia even when he isn't.
On our home site Qwags is mis-yeeted like clock work, but at the same time never does enough to prove town and the maf never kill him unless he's been sherif cleared. Even then they sometimes keep him around until F3.

He's impossible to solve without investigation or death. He gives nothing and his tone doesn't change.

Kza, falc and BK may have something to add, or disagree with, but imo Qwags is truly an enigma. One hell of a GM though. LA Kings are lucky to have him.

[Syn]

Syn, Kyle, Monkey, Quin.


I'd like to hear other player's thoughts on these 4 plz.

falcon is wolf

[KZA]

Qwags is probably town reading me for personal reasons rather than game reasons lol

[KZA]

Marmot looks better

Vote Made

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Syn, Kyle, Monkey, Quin.


I'd like to hear other player's thoughts on these 4 plz.

I was scum leaning syn, but the punchy IDGAF tone pulled me back to null.

Kyle, scum lean. Not the list so much as the way Daisy and Kyle had what I read as a fake fight.

Monkey is sketch. The wolfy pop in factor and really soft questioning is sirens.

I think Quin is town. Posting and tone seemed light and playful, they're comfortable from I gather, so if they're scum they've duped me for now.

[falcon45ca]

Syn, Kyle, Monkey, Quin.


I'd like to hear other player's thoughts on these 4 plz.

falcon is wolf

Syn is wolf

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Syn, Kyle, Monkey, Quin.


I'd like to hear other player's thoughts on these 4 plz.

falcon is wolf

Why? I'm not seeing his wolf meta. Not saying you're WRONG, but I'm curious what's pinging you.
I might be missing something

[KZA]

I dont think its "bottom tier" to pressure a gimmick slot that will probably never clear itself if left alone

[Timsup2nothin]

Syn, Kyle, Monkey, Quin.


I'd like to hear other player's thoughts on these 4 plz.

Syn is in the standard deathtunnel on me that characterizes his play as either alignment. He may be stretching too hard and using it as cover for doing literally nothing else to solve, and may be a wolf. Lean wolf.

Kyle I think was at least lightly spewed town by the way so many people sussed at him and no one ever voted. I think that is the kind of thing wolves join in on to lay the groundwork for getting on what seems a likely wagon to form. Just the number of participants in the suss Kyle game implies that there were wolves among them. Town probably.

Monkey has been...nondescript. Someone else said uninspiring, which is accurate. Could be a wolf talking to talk but not really saying anything, but more likely a town just trying to feel their way and not having anything to grab. Lean town.

Quin has also not registered on me much. I remember feeling vaguely good about some stuff, but would have to investigate to really say anything. I am pretty sure that there is material there to investigate though, so I wouldn't want to kill them without checking first. Null-not today.