Modern Family Hydra Mafia [GAME END]

[FalconKnows]

Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

It is. You're assuming HK is town. That's ridiculous.


BK read a post as having TMI. You don't have to agree with his reasoning, but to call it opportunistic when he made a legit read is disingenuous.

this makes me feel like falcon is a wolf and knows that the other slot is a wolf and is upset they're not getting town credit for the bus

What?


You keep inventing new reasons that we're Maf. The timing of this post, the read of that post...so if we're Maf, and the "other slot" HK is Maf, then what the heck is with your other reads on us being opportunistic? What, we're pushing HK who's Maf w/ us? So why don't you vote HK? Why are you TR them?


WTF. Makes no sense

you're saying you pushed on two and through? you never voted on them on d1, and the only "pushing" i see from your slot is calling one of their reads manufactured, and you never followed up after that. sure, you asked them some questions but... i don't see much else.

if you "pushed" on two and through, it was rather uninspiring to say the least.

Huh? Were did I say I pushed 2 m Thru?


Though I did call them scum back in the day, I was absent much of last RD. I'm not making any claim I pushed 2Thru, and if that came across thats not my intention

[FalconKnows]

ah okay. sorry about that.

regardless, falconknows posts on two and through are noteworthy.

Sure. Which one's and why?

[Toopy and Binoo]

As a side-note, I really don't like H&K thus far and I really don't like Falcon's re-entry, but I also don't find it plausible that scum!Falcon would vote scum!H&V there. I guess you could argue distancing, but I feel like distancing would be more planned out than the reasoning Falcon had prepped.

- Binoo

[trans rights]

Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

It is. You're assuming HK is town. That's ridiculous.


BK read a post as having TMI. You don't have to agree with his reasoning, but to call it opportunistic when he made a legit read is disingenuous.

this makes me feel like falcon is a wolf and knows that the other slot is a wolf and is upset they're not getting town credit for the bus

What?


You keep inventing new reasons that we're Maf. The timing of this post, the read of that post...so if we're Maf, and the "other slot" HK is Maf, then what the heck is with your other reads on us being opportunistic? What, we're pushing HK who's Maf w/ us? So why don't you vote HK? Why are you TR them?


WTF. Makes no sense

you're saying you pushed on two and through? you never voted on them on d1, and the only "pushing" i see from your slot is calling one of their reads manufactured, and you never followed up after that. sure, you asked them some questions but... i don't see much else.

if you "pushed" on two and through, it was rather uninspiring to say the least.

Huh? Were did I say I pushed 2 m Thru?


Though I did call them scum back in the day, I was absent much of last RD. I'm not making any claim I pushed 2Thru, and if that came across thats not my intention

that was a mistake on my end. i thought you two were referring to hollowkatt, who was apart of the two and through hydra. hence, why i thought you were talking about them.

ah okay. sorry about that.

regardless, falconknows posts on two and through are noteworthy.

Sure. Which one's and why?

fun fact - i have only signed as 2 of my 3 favorite fairy types yet

whoever can guess the third and why i haven’t is entitled to

something. not really sure how to articulate what, but it’s indicative of a fairly thorough understanding of how i work that indicates that they actually do know how to read me

~ninetales

Why the focus on particular people that "know how to read you"?

i’m bored and like making people guess things about myself so i can talk about myself more

~mawile

My concern is that you are fishing for a "god read" from someone who knows you well that you will then try to ride past the rest of us when we try to read you off...I dunno, wolfy behavior?

Seems an awful deep read for this stage of the game

This is the only stage of the game worth making reads off of

Sure, some reads...but that one doesn't strike me as such, it seems manufactured

now who's tim?

Sorry actual tim, two and through

no worries

Also, like, not answering questions you don't want to is not inherently scummy

I agree...but neither is asking the question. And yet here I am with the usual pack of "oh Tim doesn't pay our "gut reads and feelies" respect tax" gang all joining hands to sing kumbaya together. Super cool, just after I flip do town a favor and notice the aroma of wolf where you are sniffing.

panicking about flipping already... interesting

well, let's see...been the lead wagon literally all day and clearly think most of the town players are...not playing particularly well...so sure, I believe I could flip...but it would be more a relief than a cause for panic at this point.

Congratulations by the way...this single post catapulted you right up there into the ranks of the best town player displays in this game.

epic

yeah but like it's early enough. Could just be frustrating boiling over cause I've been there. What are your reads?

The way the chainsaw is buzzing one of Trans Rights and Blooy and Flooey are almost certainly a wolf. Very likely not both because getting that tightly associated on an early town flip is something wolves know to avoid so they are a wolf and a pocket toy...I'd say 60% on Blooy and Flooey, 40% on Trans Rights.

I'd probably tilt that even further towards Blooy and Flooy because their chainsaw has been much more pockety towards TR than the other way, but TR has some really weird interactions with Mana also, and I could see a possible team there since Mana isn't particularly town either.

All my town reads at this point would probably start with "playing badly in a way that is fairly typical for them so..." and I'd rather not make that list.

Then there are nulls.

So Trans Rights, B&F, and Mana are your scum reads.

I know Trans rights oinged Falcon but I'm not sure why. Mana also had a read on us which felt a little forced but I'm considering it NAI for now.

they were these two exchanges. what i'm noting is, despite that fact that you initially called one of tim's reads manufactured for being "too deep at the point of the game it was occurring in", you never followed through with the read. later you also start questioning the slot for their reads, but this exchange doesn't go anywhere. both of these interactions are shallow. your slot also hasn't been following through with any of the reads you've been making all game, and i don't like that.

[Toopy and Binoo]

I think it’s better to get rid of the lovers now, rather then have them sit in LYLO.

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

As a side-note, I really don't like H&K thus far and I really don't like Falcon's re-entry, but I also don't find it plausible that scum!Falcon would vote scum!H&V there. I guess you could argue distancing, but I feel like distancing would be more planned out than the reasoning Falcon had prepped.

- Binoo

Hey Binoo, don’t underestimate FalconKnows!

-Toopy

[trans rights]

yeah can I just say that I'm playing nothing like my scum game

show us how or this post is meaningless.

scum game I know who is who so I can frame myself into bullshit arguments easier, and push people on stupid reads because I know they're stupid reads and here I don't know anyone alignment and I can't do that so I'm left with my thumb up my ass

so you're saying if you were a wolf you'd have a better sense of direction in the game?

that may be true but i'm only taking this with a grain of salt. everyone in the game should be taking the stance that the game they're playing isn't their wolf game regardless of alignment. that's why i don't put much stock into self-meta; i've been burned by believing it too often. sure, i've given self-meta this game, but that's because i have nothing to hide and everything i've said about my meta, i perceive to be true.

anyways, if this truly is your meta, then i'm unlikely to v read you without it. sure, wolves do want to make sure they have a high impact in the game and get townread; it's how i wolf for sure! but it's not always true and it's player dependent. some people struggle with wolfing for than others. the only reason i've had for townreading you all game is from other people's reads on you, and some of your posts seem wolfy, like when you tried to put bottom text and honey and vinegar into a dichotomy without committing to anything regarding it whatsoever. sure, i also think there's likely a wolf in there, but my stance is that that wolf is bottom text, and that's been our stance for pretty much the entire dayphase.

[trans rights]

fwiw hyena, i actually do not townread nutella's head of that hydra super hard, but i historically don't have a great read on her. but i do think alison has been villagery, and if two and through was a wolf slot, the slot is spewed village to me anyways.

[Timsup2gettinserious]

I think it’s better to get rid of the lovers now, rather then have them sit in LYLO.

-Toopy

lol what

[Timsup2gettinserious]

how is literally every post you make completely and utterly absurd

[Toopy and Binoo]

how is literally every post you make completely and utterly absurd

Stop underestimating FalconKnows!

-Toopy

[trans rights]

@Bottom Text

i feel mildly insulted that i wasnt shown this before it was posted

anyway hi im catching up

~mawile

[Toopy and Binoo]

[Toopy and Binoo]

-Toooopy

[trans rights]

-Toooopy

this is a surprisingly high level of self-awareness

~mawile

[Akemi Hazelnut]

TAT would never admit to being scum to a potential medium, that makes no sense. They either clam up and say nothing or they anti spew if they are wolf. If they are town they most likely claim their role + legacy, and to a more unlikely extent clam up.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I think trans rights overthinking Esooa's post this deeply is probably villagery

Also Mana is an obvious wolf

Okay, so, it looks like this read on Mana was given sometime after the last post I quoted from Mana, but before the next one they made?

Why did you call Mana an obvious wolf at this point? Everything in their ISO up to this point (aside from the stuff that I -just- resolved to be likely towny) seems extremely towny to me. There wasn't any mech stuff surrounding Mana at this point.

Have you read their EOD

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I'm starting to get concerned about the Akemi hydra. Them calling Mana scummy was just the latest thing that I've seen that kinda made me nervous.

When Both Nutella and Alison initially pushed on me early D1, I didn't really it was AI at the time, even if it was a little opportunistic. I think worse of it now that they've been calling me extremely towny. I don't understand the progression they made on our slot.

Also, there was the sudden vote on Bottom Text after Bottom Text admitted they were lying to me when I was questioned them.

And then, when I outed that H&V loverized us, it seemed like they were quick to jump on H&V.

I don't think they're obvtown at the moment. Counterpoint of course is that H&V seemed to think they were likely to get NKed N1?

I dunno.

I think you might be mixing us up with someone else or misremembering events, because a lot of the stuff you're describing in this post didn't happen.

- AFAIK my slot never pushed on yours. We spoke briefly about playstyle stuff regarding you in hydra chat early on but the conclusion was a big shrug both ways. I saw you were pushing basically the exact same worldview I was and was happy to give you a day pass for it: later on I started townreading you more and more actively as I saw you were putting in a bunch of work to solve, and the conviction Syn had on Tim was very much against his UTR scum meta.

- The vote on Bottom Text was based on trans rights' pseudo-CC, not because Bottom Text lied:

Anyway I'm just going to vote BT since trans rights has claimed that she doesn't believe her role, Poop's and BT's can coexist.

[VOTE: Bottom Text] aubergine

And yes I was quick to jump on H&V because it was an absurdly anti-town move to loverize you.

[Timsup2gettinserious]

I think trans rights overthinking Esooa's post this deeply is probably villagery

Also Mana is an obvious wolf

Okay, so, it looks like this read on Mana was given sometime after the last post I quoted from Mana, but before the next one they made?

Why did you call Mana an obvious wolf at this point? Everything in their ISO up to this point (aside from the stuff that I -just- resolved to be likely towny) seems extremely towny to me. There wasn't any mech stuff surrounding Mana at this point.

Have you read their EOD

Not yet. You made that read long before EoD. What were you guys scumreading them for when you guys made this post?

[Timsup2gettinserious]

Akemi's early D1 push on me P1:

[VOTE: Timsup2gettinserious] aubergine

Points to whoever tells me why

theyre dissonant and hate that another hydra is being scumread for dissonance

Eerily specific and wrong

[VOTE: timsup2gettinserious] aubergine

well i like my reasoning anyway

[Timsup2gettinserious]

Akemi's early D1 push on me P2:

I don't have any reads

my only read is that your slot has already demonstrated hydra dissonance(tm) to the extent to where it might be wolfy

I kinda want to scumread this.

[VOTE: Timsup2gettinserious] aubergine

Points to whoever tells me why

theyre dissonant and hate that another hydra is being scumread for dissonance

Y'all are bad. I'm scumreading Van and Mist because they're Van and Mist. <3

[VOTE: Timsup2gettinserious] aubergine

Points to whoever tells me why

theyre dissonant and hate that another hydra is being scumread for dissonance

Y'all are bad. I'm scumreading Van and Mist because they're Van and Mist. <3

They were scum together in the two previous mashes on MU, so I'm betting they are scum again here, as a hydra. <3

Awkward/hesitant scumread -> increasingly worse explanations when asked to justify it. You are a wolf.

[VOTE: Timsup2gettinserious] aubergine

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Akemi's early D1 push on me P1:

[VOTE: Timsup2gettinserious] aubergine

Points to whoever tells me why

theyre dissonant and hate that another hydra is being scumread for dissonance

Eerily specific and wrong

[VOTE: timsup2gettinserious] aubergine

well i like my reasoning anyway

I wasn't a part of this so you'll have to ask nutella

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Akemi's early D1 push on me P1:

[VOTE: Timsup2gettinserious] aubergine

Points to whoever tells me why

theyre dissonant and hate that another hydra is being scumread for dissonance

Eerily specific and wrong

[VOTE: timsup2gettinserious] aubergine

well i like my reasoning anyway

that was me (nut) and i think before alison got here

got to a townread on you by like halfway through d1 iirc

[Timsup2gettinserious]

Akemi's early D1 push on me P3:

i think hyena's slot is villagery for now

~klefki

Why?

i was softening on hyena before alison got back but she's convincing me again in chat aa

i was softening on hyena before alison got back but she's convincing me again in chat aa

I don't understand how you can recognize when I'm baiting people in one game and then not recognize when I'm doing it in another.

if youre referring to the van/mist thing that specifically i didn't take as seriously as alison does lol but your entrance and tone set me off

[Akemi Hazelnut]

my janitorial duties

holy SHIT is that a fucking SCUMSLIP

when the n1 flip comes up cleaned dont look at me pls

I was going back to quote some Mana posts from D1 to explain why I scumread them and found this gem

[Timsup2gettinserious]

My concern is that you are fishing for a "god read" from someone who knows you well that you will then try to ride past the rest of us when we try to read you off...I dunno, wolfy behavior?

If someone has a god read on her and she's wolf then wouldn't this have a very obvious chance of backfiring

... Are you scum with Mist? Was your restart of your scumread on me a reaction to me correctly telling Mist which fairy pokemon she hadn't signed as yet?

No. My scumread on you was a reaction to you being scummy.

My concern is that you are fishing for a "god read" from someone who knows you well that you will then try to ride past the rest of us when we try to read you off...I dunno, wolfy behavior?

If someone has a god read on her and she's wolf then wouldn't this have a very obvious chance of backfiring

... Are you scum with Mist? Was your restart of your scumread on me a reaction to me correctly telling Mist which fairy pokemon she hadn't signed as yet?

No. My scumread on you was a reaction to you being scummy.

That was your initial reason, yeah, but then you went and posted a bunch of other stuff, only to come back and out of nowhere make a stronger push on me. Why didn't you come in with that sort of strength when you initially scumread me? :P

That was not me, that was nutella.

The push on you for an awkward scumread on trans rights is the first post I have made this game.

Town: FalconKnows, julinook, Poop Explosions

Scum: Timsup2gettinserious, TwoAndThrough, Toopy and Binoo

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Do I need to go on?

[Timsup2gettinserious]

Also, just in case people don't notice, both Alison AND Nutella were part of the push on me at different points. Don't let them tell you otherwise.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Wait, we have two votes? tf?

but like actually tho, low volume might just mean low engagement. I don't have anything to say so i'm not saying anything of consequence. that's kinda how that works

you got reads? anything

looking for a scapegoat i found a wolf. falconknow's iso is awful, they're prob just bad
[VOTE: Falconknows] aubergine

I bias towards thinking most day 1 death matches are t/t so w/o reading it closely, i think transrights and bottom text are probably town. Bouncing off of that, wagonomics says I should give a closer look at poop to see if that's a wolf trying to push a civvie death match, so i'mma do that really quick

These were the three posts that pinged me about Mana's entrance.

The first post is performative and meaningless. It's like they're giving off this affronted "what the hell is going on, how dare you vote us when we have been so townie" post that feels super fake to me. It's page 16, you have two votes, there was zero need for this post.

The second post is a pre-emptive excuse for contributing nothing. I find it hard to believe that a townie has literal nothing to say at that point in time, but even if that was the case I'd expect some attempt to try to force their way into the game or get a lead. "I don't have anything, sorry, shrug, I'm out" is not a townie mindset.

Third post has extremely sketchy wording ("looking for a scapegoat") and I'm not convinced their FK push was based on anything at all, I thought the entrance was fine, even townie, and I have not seen anything from Mana that refutes that. They're just drive by dropping a spicy read with no followup.

Fourth post is a super premature read. They're calling TR/BT both villagers without reading the interaction closely, and going as far as to suspect Poop for trying to push a V/V thunderdome. There doesn't seem to be anything connecting premise to conclusion or any way they could have of getting from A to B other than TMI, other than a throwaway line about being biased towards assuming early thunderdomes are V/V shoehorned in.

[Timsup2gettinserious]

Before I get to the Bottom Text stuff, here's some more shading from Akemi when I re-enter the thread later on:

hyena: "x has randed wolf a bunch of times lately they must be wolf"
also hyena: "y hasnt randed wolf in a while they must be wolf"

peak comedy

You're welcome. <3

And here's them suggesting that one scum in Bottom Text/Trans Rights has some implication on my alignment:

Me thinks BT and TR is TvTZ
Me see what Binoo thinksZ

I think I saw a couple people mention that there's one scum between BT and TR? What are your reads on those people? :P

Here's one hydra that said it, for example:

alright it's time for my branded early bad idea level1 dichotomy read that everyone should probably ignore

one in transrights/bottomtext

What do you think about Nutella+Alison's alignment? :3

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Also,

now i want to figure out what that means for hyena

I have no clue yet, but I ended up coming away from my Vanity+Mist interactions liking them okay!

And then here's where I start questioning Bottom Text:

trans rights is my top town

What do you think about Alison and Nutella then? :3 They think you two are NOT TvT.

I didn't read that or really care. They seem fine from my skimming

why didnt you care

I didn't read it so I had no thoughts and I don't really cause I don't see why it would matter

I'm not rly going to go back to read stuff unless you show me the posts btw hyena lol

I think you're bullshitting and didn't even skim their posts.

(will continue in the next post)

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Also, just in case people don't notice, both Alison AND Nutella were part of the push on me at different points. Don't let them tell you otherwise.

I'm going to be perfectly honest with you I have no memory at all of making that push on you. I might have suspected you as an early first post read or reaction test and then dropped it when I got bigger fish to fry. At any rate once the push on TAT started coalescing I was happy to give you a pass (and my interactions with you in that period were mostly just agreeing/leaving you alone), and once Syn started really pushing on TAT I noticed that conviction and started actively townreading your slot.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I think the posts you have an issue with in #2779 border on the nitpicky. Like come on. First one was clearly a joke about a reasoning that everyone in this game except Gavial knows is bad. Nobody is seriously going to undermine your solving or disbelieve your scumreads based on it. I have no idea what you dislike about the second one.

[Timsup2gettinserious]

Wait, we have two votes? tf?

but like actually tho, low volume might just mean low engagement. I don't have anything to say so i'm not saying anything of consequence. that's kinda how that works

you got reads? anything

looking for a scapegoat i found a wolf. falconknow's iso is awful, they're prob just bad
[VOTE: Falconknows] aubergine

I bias towards thinking most day 1 death matches are t/t so w/o reading it closely, i think transrights and bottom text are probably town. Bouncing off of that, wagonomics says I should give a closer look at poop to see if that's a wolf trying to push a civvie death match, so i'mma do that really quick

These were the three posts that pinged me about Mana's entrance.

The first post is performative and meaningless. It's like they're giving off this affronted "what the hell is going on, how dare you vote us when we have been so townie" post that feels super fake to me. It's page 16, you have two votes, there was zero need for this post.

The second post is a pre-emptive excuse for contributing nothing. I find it hard to believe that a townie has literal nothing to say at that point in time, but even if that was the case I'd expect some attempt to try to force their way into the game or get a lead. "I don't have anything, sorry, shrug, I'm out" is not a townie mindset.

Third post has extremely sketchy wording ("looking for a scapegoat") and I'm not convinced their FK push was based on anything at all, I thought the entrance was fine, even townie, and I have not seen anything from Mana that refutes that. They're just drive by dropping a spicy read with no followup.

Fourth post is a super premature read. They're calling TR/BT both villagers without reading the interaction closely, and going as far as to suspect Poop for trying to push a V/V thunderdome. There doesn't seem to be anything connecting premise to conclusion or any way they could have of getting from A to B other than TMI, other than a throwaway line about being biased towards assuming early thunderdomes are V/V shoehorned in.

Okay, so, I'll agree with you on the first post. The second post is bad only if you don't realize they were already contributing towards the game beforehand, which I showed earlier that they were. So, that point doesn't make sense. The third post is similar in nature to my post towards Trans Rights that you thought was scummy, and I can say this with confidence because again, Made is a similar play to me. He does the same kinds of things I do early on to get reads on people. As for the fourth post, eh, okay, I don't care -- though I think that's mostly just thinking that the first three points didn't make any sense.

Anyway, lemme get to the BR stuff I was talking about with regard to you.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Their contributions to the game before the "excuse for contributing nothing" post:

- Asking who to bully, and then saying they're down to bully Tim. Asserts later that there's no reasoning behind the bullying.
- Asking "why" in response to TSPIC voting them.
- TSPIC asks if they have any thoughts, they say they don't really have any.
- H&V accuses them of having a scum post, they say "nah" and leave it at that.

That's literally it. I don't care how deep you want to read into the line about bullying Tim, it's not contributing in my book and it certainly doesn't justify a "welp, I have nothing. Peace!" post.

Re: the third post not being scummy because Made is a similar player to you and you always do these things as town, sure, but I'm not sure how you expect me to make that read or why you're upset that I didn't reach the same conclusion on it.

[Timsup2gettinserious]

And here's the series of posts that I noticed that made me think you jumped onto BT because of us.

Starts with you jumping into my interaction with Bottom Text:

trans rights is my top town

What do you think about Alison and Nutella then? :3 They think you two are NOT TvT.

I didn't read that or really care. They seem fine from my skimming

why didnt you care

Followed by (admittedly with a couple posts between):

alison can't stop me yolo

[VOTE: bottom text] aubergine

Then I ask you what you thought about Bottom Text lying to me here:

Hmm. Nutella, what do you make of Bottom Text admitting that they were lying to me?

And you follow up with:

Hmm. Nutella, what do you make of Bottom Text admitting that they were lying to me?

don't love it. they don't seem interested in solving me and it smells of tmi / accepting that i'll just be obvtown and not worth fighting

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I'll let nutella answer this one since these are her posts

I made it pretty clear why I (Alison) voted BT initially

[Timsup2gettinserious]

Their contributions to the game before the "excuse for contributing nothing" post:

- Asking who to bully, and then saying they're down to bully Tim. Asserts later that there's no reasoning behind the bullying.
- Asking "why" in response to TSPIC voting them.
- TSPIC asks if they have any thoughts, they say they don't really have any.
- H&V accuses them of having a scum post, they say "nah" and leave it at that.

That's literally it. I don't care how deep you want to read into the line about bullying Tim, it's not contributing in my book and it certainly doesn't justify a "welp, I have nothing. Peace!" post.

Re: the third post not being scummy because Made is a similar player to you and you always do these things as town, sure, but I'm not sure how you expect me to make that read or why you're upset that I didn't reach the same conclusion on it.

I'm not upset that you didn't reach the same conclusion as me. I'm concerned that you came to that conclusion and did a bunch of other stuff (like pushing me, jumping on BT and Q&V) that didn't sit well with me. It's the combination of those things together, not just the Mana thing, or just the push on me, that makes me super-concerned about you.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

And here's the series of posts that I noticed that made me think you jumped onto BT because of us.

Starts with you jumping into my interaction with Bottom Text:

trans rights is my top town

What do you think about Alison and Nutella then? :3 They think you two are NOT TvT.

I didn't read that or really care. They seem fine from my skimming

why didnt you care

Followed by (admittedly with a couple posts between):

alison can't stop me yolo

[VOTE: bottom text] aubergine

Then I ask you what you thought about Bottom Text lying to me here:

Hmm. Nutella, what do you make of Bottom Text admitting that they were lying to me?

And you follow up with:

Hmm. Nutella, what do you make of Bottom Text admitting that they were lying to me?

don't love it. they don't seem interested in solving me and it smells of tmi / accepting that i'll just be obvtown and not worth fighting

bottom text made a series of scummy posts around that time, i dont remember you having anything to do with it?

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Okay well I'm not going to apologize for not having the same read on Mana as you/pushing you early D1, or jumping on people who have objectively scummy claims/actions so unless you have specific questions you want to ask me about why I did certain things there's not much I can help you with here.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I think I made it pretty clear when I was moving my vote without alison's input, hyena i think youre reading too much into things that are unrelated

[Timsup2gettinserious]

And this is the H&V stuff:

BT's 4 voters - Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough
Mana's 3 voters - Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions
TwoAndThrough's 4 voters - Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text
TSPIC voter - The Walrus
No voters - Falcon

Hmmm. The Walrus then dies? Only voter on the TSPIC wagon. Probably never a wolf kill they would make it's too obvious.
Mana wagon is very pure.
But Mana is voting for BT in a tie. If Mana wagon is pure >rand wolf and that means their vote is >rand on a town.
So if Mana is a wolf, and TAT WAS a wolf, then the other teammate is probably either trans rights or Akemi Hazelnut, or an absent FalconKnows I guess?
But Akemi Hazelnut is currently operating inside that very POE so it's almost certainly not them. Trans Rights also playing the POE game in a tight window.
Makes me think TAT is always a wolf. Which strongly clears all the TAT voters. But then why did none of them die? Why kill The Walrus? Perhaps @Bottom Text did you actually get an action in?

Doesn't QUITE stack up. So what if TAT AND BT are both town. The janitoring might be a passive (no flips til you die) wolf role maybe.
Mana wolf equity is through the roof no matter what. I take TSPIC and Julinook as town for it. I take the kill as pure wifom. I take the mafia teammates of mana to be probably Falcon and ONE active wolf in this case.
I think this makes the most sense. Falcon + someone getting more townreads, that isn't on the Mana wagon. I feel like ... Timsup2gettingserious profiles.

So, I talked to Syn, and he's okay with me revealing what happened to us last night.

H&V loverized us last night. We've got a lover chat with them right now. I've been going back and forth whether I fully trust them or not because I don't understand why they thought we wouldn't be considered a potential NK after the amount of townreads we got D1?

Wait

this is

outing?

You immediately jump on H&V. You even put a vote on them at one point.

I also found it weird how neither of you really told me immediately how bad of a play it was for me to do that until Bottom Text mentioned that it was:

ngl i think outting that you were loverized was terrible play especially given the gamestate but whatever

yeah i kinda agree

You seemed SUPER focus on H&V possibly being scum, which came off super opportunistic to me.

Also, why would you want to chop the both of us today when it ends up killing the other? You went into some reasoning why it wouldn't be better later on, but it seemed like you were set on going through with killing us both initially.

[Timsup2gettinserious]

I think I made it pretty clear when I was moving my vote without alison's input, hyena i think youre reading too much into things that are unrelated

They are unrelated, but that's why I think you could be scum. I think you're playing opportunistically rather than with any set agenda, and I think you're pushes on people have been pretty bad.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I think I made it pretty clear when I was moving my vote without alison's input, hyena i think youre reading too much into things that are unrelated

They are unrelated, but that's why I think you could be scum. I think you're playing opportunistically rather than with any set agenda, and I think you're pushes on people have been pretty bad.

yeah i play opportunistically lmao

[Timsup2gettinserious]

Do you know what I spent a lot of D1 doing? I spent it asking other people about the Akemi slot. You can go and look in my ISO at it. The funny thing is, is that I was actually townreading you at that point, and wanted to see how others would react to me asking about you. What I think now, though, is that you got nervous about me and thought that I was preparing to make a push on you at some point. That's why you had H&V loverize me. That way, when you bussed H&V at some point, I'd die, too, and you'd get the town cred for chopping H&V. Am I getting warm, Akemi?

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Do you know what I spent a lot of D1 doing? I spent it asking other people about the Akemi slot. You can go and look in my ISO at it. The funny thing is, is that I was actually townreading you at that point, and wanted to see how others would react to me asking about you. What I think now, though, is that you got nervous about me and thought that I was preparing to make a push on you at some point. That's why you had H&V loverize me. That way, when you bussed H&V at some point, I'd die, too, and you'd get the town cred for chopping H&V. Am I getting warm, Akemi?

....what on earth

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Ok so this discussion is going nowhere but

1) if I'm worried someone is going to catch me as scum I have a few options, including pocketing, nightkilling or just plain ignoring them. Asking my partner to loverize them and then bussing my partner is a pretty absurd theory. It makes more sense to just nightkill you in that scenario. At any rate, I had enough clout in the game that desperation plays like that don't make sense regardless. You aren't exeing me on D2.

2) If I came into the day planning to bus H&V I wouldn't out a readslist having them as a townread early on in D2.

3) I think a lot of the characteristics you're identifying as opportunistic are like, just the way nutella and I play. We see scummy shit, we jump on it. If someone claims a night action that is absolutely anti-town, I'm going to vote that person until I get a good explanation for why they did it. I don't know if it's a playstyle clash or what that's causing you to view that as scummy, but I personally believe town should not hold back from making forceful pushes when new info crops up, or when someone makes a really wolfy post.

In general I think you're (as Mac loves to say) jumping the shark. The stuff you're saying is scummy for us is literally just the way we play.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Also I don't think it's true at all that my pushes have been bad since I think there's a good chance I've nailed a wolf and almost certainly have one or two more in my bottom POE. Like it beggars belief that all of Mana/FK/BT are town and that's the POE I've identified.

[Timsup2gettinserious]

my janitorial duties

holy SHIT is that a fucking SCUMSLIP

when the n1 flip comes up cleaned dont look at me pls

I was going back to quote some Mana posts from D1 to explain why I scumread them and found this gem

lol

[Bottom Text]

my janitorial duties

holy SHIT is that a fucking SCUMSLIP

when the n1 flip comes up cleaned dont look at me pls

I was going back to quote some Mana posts from D1 to explain why I scumread them and found this gem

holy shit

i really am a mechanical wizard

[Bottom Text]

my janitorial duties

holy SHIT is that a fucking SCUMSLIP

when the n1 flip comes up cleaned dont look at me pls

I was going back to quote some Mana posts from D1 to explain why I scumread them and found this gem

holy shit

i really am a mechanical wizard

alternatively i scumslipped while making a joke about me scumslipping which would be waaaaay funnier and i kind of wish was the actual case

anyway i'd like to inform thread that minecraft is a good game

[Julinook]

This is a popin (I've read nothing) to say my sleep is wonky so I'm probably not gonna be doing anything for several hours

Or insomnia will kick in again and ill be back in 20 kek

Hopefully won't be for several hours at least tho