Modern Family Hydra Mafia [GAME END]

[Bottom Text]

Watcher is a pretty pro-town role. Unfortunate that it ‘failed’ or whatever, but don’t think a mafia would lie about that it failed in that position

what kind of argument is this

"watcher is a pro town role" okay so is literally every claimed role except maybe the loverizer

Spoiler: show

lets policy them their role is maybe anti-town!

i claim town alignment cop you cant kill me its pro-town

I also think from claim that mana is probably town, I dont want to get into why

how sheepable is this read

given i think the opposite

also i still think TR is a villager and have liked poop a decent bit more today so shrugze

could be v/v/v

Without knowing their target or yours i wouldn't push it


I'm very skeptical they're all three town. Its...not impossible, bit given what I'm aware of setup wise, i don't find it likely.

they claimed to target alison/nute, i havent claimed my target

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

ill unvote for now, but with what you know, what should my general concern level be if i did or did not target alison/nute as my first target?

[Honey & Vinegar]

only voting for falcon, poop or toopy today.
will be back at eod to see where the wagons are at

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

Poop is obvious mafia

I don’t see it

[Bottom Text]

Poop is obvious mafia

go on

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

Watcher is a pretty pro-town role. Unfortunate that it ‘failed’ or whatever, but don’t think a mafia would lie about that it failed in that position

what kind of argument is this

"watcher is a pro town role" okay so is literally every claimed role except maybe the loverizer

Spoiler: show

lets policy them their role is maybe anti-town!

i claim town alignment cop you cant kill me its pro-town

I also think from claim that mana is probably town, I dont want to get into why

how sheepable is this read

given i think the opposite

also i still think TR is a villager and have liked poop a decent bit more today so shrugze

could be v/v/v

Without knowing their target or yours i wouldn't push it


I'm very skeptical they're all three town. Its...not impossible, bit given what I'm aware of setup wise, i don't find it likely.

they claimed to target alison/nute, i havent claimed my target

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

ill unvote for now, but with what you know, what should my general concern level be if i did or did not target alison/nute as my first target?

What mafia claims watcher.

Ok bad argument i claimed cop as mafia too

[dunya]

For ease of reference: Day 2 Post Caps until 6.30PM EST May 8.

@Akemi Hazelnut - 432
@Bottom Text - 421
@FalconKnows - 242
@Honey & Vinegar - 266
@Julinook - 353
@Mana - 258
@Poop Explosions - 404
@Timsup2gettinserious - 335
@TonyStarkPlaysItCool - 347
@Toopy and Binoo - 331
@trans rights - 456

[Bottom Text]

What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

[Julinook]

Watcher is a pretty pro-town role. Unfortunate that it ‘failed’ or whatever, but don’t think a mafia would lie about that it failed in that position

what kind of argument is this

"watcher is a pro town role" okay so is literally every claimed role except maybe the loverizer

Spoiler: show

lets policy them their role is maybe anti-town!

i claim town alignment cop you cant kill me its pro-town

I also think from claim that mana is probably town, I dont want to get into why

how sheepable is this read

given i think the opposite

also i still think TR is a villager and have liked poop a decent bit more today so shrugze

could be v/v/v

Without knowing their target or yours i wouldn't push it


I'm very skeptical they're all three town. Its...not impossible, bit given what I'm aware of setup wise, i don't find it likely.

they claimed to target alison/nute, i havent claimed my target

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

ill unvote for now, but with what you know, what should my general concern level be if i did or did not target alison/nute as my first target?

I wouldn't be overly concerned but I wouldn't be unconcerned

[Bottom Text]

I wouldn't be overly concerned but I wouldn't be unconcerned

i was asking two different questions

one if i did target alison/nute
one if i didn't

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

[Julinook]

I wouldn't be overly concerned but I wouldn't be unconcerned

i was asking two different questions

one if i did target alison/nute
one if i didn't

Yes

[Bottom Text]

What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

...this is going to go back and forth if i continue it now so i'll just say "okay we can continue playing this i have reasons to believe someones claim but i won't divulge into it game that every player seems to be playing"

I wouldn't be overly concerned but I wouldn't be unconcerned

i was asking two different questions

one if i did target alison/nute
one if i didn't

Yes

noted

[Toopy and Binoo]

Poop is obvious mafia

Well one of you are.

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

FalconKnows over BottomText anytime of the week.
If it comes down to it, know I have intent to vote FK so BT doesn’t die.

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Like if this isn’t Obv Town.
I don’t know what iiiiiiiiiiiiisssss!!!

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

Since Binoo is soooooo busy, I’ll post exactly what Binoo said to me in DM’s.

Honestly, I remember H&V's re-entry D1 pinging me as off. I'll have to do an ISO of their slot sometime, but they didn't read as genuine to me.

As far as the post is concerned, I'd be inclined to believe town!T&T. I feel like they would've tried to exploit it and get us to vanillarize a townie (regardless of who they said scum were). Most of our role comes later on if some sort of investigative role gets killed off and doesn't get to provide any of their info so we should keep the medium talk under wraps for now, but if scum dies toDay we should try again (and use both the in-thread crumb & say we know T&T was town because we didn't get to communicate with them).

-Toopy with the speech of Binoo

[Toopy and Binoo]

I also don’t think Binoo realizes we are 1-Shot.

-Toopy

[Bottom Text]

What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Like if this isn’t Obv Town.
I don’t know what iiiiiiiiiiiiisssss!!!

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

In my Mafia Game I was honest about everything I did regarding my role.

Sooooooooo.
Fine a different reason!!!

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

Find one.*
It’ll be fine.

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

Actually I’m wrong.
Poop/H&V can both be Town if FK/Tony is scum.

-Toopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

Poop/H&V are never W/W

-Toopt

[Akemi Hazelnut]

What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

Why can't they just be a completely different mafia role that is just making the Watcher thing up

[Poop Explosions]

Zero VT claims so far. What kinda firepower do wolves have?

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

Why can't they just be a completely different mafia role that is just making the Watcher thing up

If the goal was to make up the watcher claim, I doubt they would say their ability failed.

[Poop Explosions]

What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

Why can't they just be a completely different mafia role that is just making the Watcher thing up

If the goal was to make up the watcher claim, I doubt they would say their ability failed.

Why not? Don't wanna risk claiming a result that a townie who visited your target could disprove.

[FalconKnows]

Between H&V and Bottom Text who is more wolfy?

[Akemi Hazelnut]

What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

Why can't they just be a completely different mafia role that is just making the Watcher thing up

If the goal was to make up the watcher claim, I doubt they would say their ability failed.

Why not? If they say "I watched so and so, and they were not visited", all it takes is someone going "that's a lie, I visited them" and they're outed. Similarly if a tracker was on them they can disprove the claim. Claiming to be roleblocked is safe because it stops them from inadvertently claiming something impossible.

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

Why can't they just be a completely different mafia role that is just making the Watcher thing up

If the goal was to make up the watcher claim, I doubt they would say their ability failed.

Why not? Don't wanna risk claiming a result that a townie who visited your target could disprove.

It just seems... anticlimatic.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Between H&V and Bottom Text who is more wolfy?

TR and julinook have both hinted that they have mech info that BT's claim isn't believable and H&V have at least towntold today so probably BT.

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

The chances of being tracked is slim. I think I'd take the risk.

I did so in Fargo mafia.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

It just seems... anticlimatic.

This doesn't seem like a good reason to clear Mana.

[Bottom Text]

Between H&V and Bottom Text who is more wolfy?

TR and julinook have both hinted that they have mech info that BT's claim isn't believable and H&V have at least towntold today so probably BT.

when did nook say anything about my claim

i don't know how much more blatantly real i have to get but i fully believe mana TMIed me V and y'all are clearing them for... claiming no result? so whatever

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

Yeah but like I said I have other reasons to think they aren't mafia who had their actions fail.

[Bottom Text]

you assume... redirection? why do you assume i'm even real?

i'll clarify on this because i think it's one of the more damning parts of the post

we are a slot in PoE

they are also a slot in PoE

if, for some reason, they are a villager, and their first thought is "wow, we must have been redirected by Bottom Text"

where is the spark of "holy shit, their claim is probably real, the PoE might just be wrong"

there isn't one

because they don't think like a villager

[Bottom Text]

i will take my applause in the form of joycats and/or unvotes

bye

[Poop Explosions]

I was informed by my other head that Dana is usually an innocent child and isn't one this game. Is this accurate?

[Poop Explosions]

Want FK/Mana wagons

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

Yeah but like I said I have other reasons to think they aren't mafia who had their actions fail.

I guess it's entirely possible that they lied about their action failing. in which case, it might be outing.

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

Where is TSP when I need to speak to him

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

help

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Without knowing their target or yours i wouldn't push it


I'm very skeptical they're all three town. Its...not impossible, bit given what I'm aware of setup wise, i don't find it likely.

@Bottom Text This is what I meant by nook hinting at having setup info that tr/poop/bt claims can't coexist (and between the three I trust tr and poop significantly more)

[Bottom Text]

Without knowing their target or yours i wouldn't push it


I'm very skeptical they're all three town. Its...not impossible, bit given what I'm aware of setup wise, i don't find it likely.

@Bottom Text This is what I meant by nook hinting at having setup info that tr/poop/bt claims can't coexist (and between the three I trust tr and poop significantly more)

noted

dno what to tell you

at this point i feel like our flip might solve things but that's quitter talk and im not a quitter

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

If Mana is scum then I'd look into TR a little bit more.

[Bottom Text]

im feeling like soon is about the time i claim n1 targets/uses/conditionals given there seems to be approximately 100 people vaguely claiming similar enough roles

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine for now

[Timsup2gettinserious]

katze is posting like ted in GoC tbh tbh

[Mana]

you assume... redirection? why do you assume i'm even real?

i'll clarify on this because i think it's one of the more damning parts of the post

we are a slot in PoE

they are also a slot in PoE

if, for some reason, they are a villager, and their first thought is "wow, we must have been redirected by Bottom Text"

where is the spark of "holy shit, their claim is probably real, the PoE might just be wrong"

there isn't one

because they don't think like a villager

okay maybe this is gonna sound bad but we did discuss how this makes you probably town in our hydra chat, and I asked if we should take it to the thread since you were getting heat and made said yes but maybe not right away so we can try and learn something from the people pushing you. I've never played a closed game before or a game with roleclaiming allowed/encouraged so im rly just following his lead here.

my first thought was "oh man our action failed " and then you said we were one of your targets so my second thought was "maybe that's related to why our action failed". has anyone claimed to block us directly yet? that's definitely also an option, but I'm still quite a few pages behind

[Mana]

I was informed by my other head that Dana is usually an innocent child and isn't one this game. Is this accurate?

I'm not sure I would say usually, I've only played a couple games ever and I've definitely been sussed a lot in the past, but most of those games were like half a decade ago

[Timsup2gettinserious]

you assume... redirection? why do you assume i'm even real?

i'll clarify on this because i think it's one of the more damning parts of the post

we are a slot in PoE

they are also a slot in PoE

if, for some reason, they are a villager, and their first thought is "wow, we must have been redirected by Bottom Text"

where is the spark of "holy shit, their claim is probably real, the PoE might just be wrong"

there isn't one

because they don't think like a villager

okay maybe this is gonna sound bad but we did discuss how this makes you probably town in our hydra chat, and I asked if we should take it to the thread since you were getting heat and made said yes but maybe not right away so we can try and learn something from the people pushing you. I've never played a closed game before or a game with roleclaiming allowed/encouraged so im rly just following his lead here.

my first thought was "oh man our action failed " and then you said we were one of your targets so my second thought was "maybe that's related to why our action failed". has anyone claimed to block us directly yet? that's definitely also an option, but I'm still quite a few pages behind

if anything, your result just means katze is a roleblocker and not a redirector