character claims aren't alignment or role indicative. they're randomized. you could figure this out from the op.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:21 pm Alright I want to talk about something.
Urist (I think) evidently was able to guess our identity on the basis that Urist:
a) Believes that he correctly identified that the Phil Dunphy character is the most likely janitor because he's a magician? And apparently in flavour a magician would "make a flip disappear"?
b) Is so thoroughly convinced we are mafia that he took his epiphany that the janitor was Phil, to the extreme of applying it to his top scum read.
The logical hoops I have to jump through to be okay with this are TOO DAMN HIGH.
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is this a wolf claim or am i confusedPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:21 pm Alright I want to talk about something.
Urist (I think) evidently was able to guess our identity on the basis that Urist:
a) Believes that he correctly identified that the Phil Dunphy character is the most likely janitor because he's a magician? And apparently in flavour a magician would "make a flip disappear"?
b) Is so thoroughly convinced we are mafia that he took his epiphany that the janitor was Phil, to the extreme of applying it to his top scum read.
The logical hoops I have to jump through to be okay with this are TOO DAMN HIGH.
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Poop your best read is probably your read on Mana.
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Did you read what I said correctly? I am of the view that people skimmed over Honey & Vinegar outing themselves. Try re-reading with that in mind.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pmcharacter claims aren't alignment or role indicative. they're randomized. you could figure this out from the op.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:21 pm Alright I want to talk about something.
Urist (I think) evidently was able to guess our identity on the basis that Urist:
a) Believes that he correctly identified that the Phil Dunphy character is the most likely janitor because he's a magician? And apparently in flavour a magician would "make a flip disappear"?
b) Is so thoroughly convinced we are mafia that he took his epiphany that the janitor was Phil, to the extreme of applying it to his top scum read.
The logical hoops I have to jump through to be okay with this are TOO DAMN HIGH.
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i am baffled as to how this makes any sense. walk me through the mechanics behind this.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pm Also we should never be voting BT today regardless. They are essentially claimed doc with the upside that if they land their doc save they also get a vigilante shot that night. I am never going to vote that claim on D2 with no counterclaim or mech info implicating them.
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Yeah you appear to be very confused.TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pmis this a wolf claim or am i confusedPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:21 pm Alright I want to talk about something.
Urist (I think) evidently was able to guess our identity on the basis that Urist:
a) Believes that he correctly identified that the Phil Dunphy character is the most likely janitor because he's a magician? And apparently in flavour a magician would "make a flip disappear"?
b) Is so thoroughly convinced we are mafia that he took his epiphany that the janitor was Phil, to the extreme of applying it to his top scum read.
The logical hoops I have to jump through to be okay with this are TOO DAMN HIGH.
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yeah it supports what you're saying.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:26 pmDid you read what I said correctly? I am of the view that people skimmed over Honey & Vinegar outing themselves. Try re-reading with that in mind.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pmcharacter claims aren't alignment or role indicative. they're randomized. you could figure this out from the op.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:21 pm Alright I want to talk about something.
Urist (I think) evidently was able to guess our identity on the basis that Urist:
a) Believes that he correctly identified that the Phil Dunphy character is the most likely janitor because he's a magician? And apparently in flavour a magician would "make a flip disappear"?
b) Is so thoroughly convinced we are mafia that he took his epiphany that the janitor was Phil, to the extreme of applying it to his top scum read.
The logical hoops I have to jump through to be okay with this are TOO DAMN HIGH.
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Are you serious? You don't understand why it's mechanically correct to leave an uncc'd doctor alive? Have you played mafia before?trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:26 pmi am baffled as to how this makes any sense. walk me through the mechanics behind this.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pm Also we should never be voting BT today regardless. They are essentially claimed doc with the upside that if they land their doc save they also get a vigilante shot that night. I am never going to vote that claim on D2 with no counterclaim or mech info implicating them.
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They seem pretty obvtown to mePoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:22 pmHow do you feel about the Hyena slot?Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:19 pm BT's D1 play kinda makes sense if they planned on using their role as a pseudo BG.
poop explosions I think your tunnel on trans rights is bad and they are fairly obviously townie on play.
Townie on play, have done a lot of solving/interaction, threatening Walrus with a fakeclaim was kinda townie for Hyena/Syn, are lock clear if TAT is wolf which is very possible, and have had a worldview that aligns pretty closely with mine throughout the game in general.
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i'm not going to say that they couldn't misinterpret their role as a villager, but i think the way they played d1, what their role does, and how they claimed in this dayphase are all incredibly at odds with each other.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:24 pmI am reading Bottom Text as inno child level town. Explain how they are not?trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:23 pmelaborate as to why this would be the case.TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:11 pm kinda think kat's claim is >rand town but it might just be >rand kat
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Possibly but I am currently transfixed by Honey & Vinegar correctly guessing our role and then trying to justify knowing it by having incorrectly presumed that our character makes the most sense to be a janitor role in flavour.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pm Poop your best read is probably your read on Mana.
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they claimed redirector, not doc, no? or am i misunderstanding something about their claim?Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:27 pmAre you serious? You don't understand why it's mechanically correct to leave an uncc'd doctor alive? Have you played mafia before?trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:26 pmi am baffled as to how this makes any sense. walk me through the mechanics behind this.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pm Also we should never be voting BT today regardless. They are essentially claimed doc with the upside that if they land their doc save they also get a vigilante shot that night. I am never going to vote that claim on D2 with no counterclaim or mech info implicating them.
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yeah i thought that was weirdPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:21 pm Alright I want to talk about something.
Urist (I think) evidently was able to guess our identity on the basis that Urist:
a) Believes that he correctly identified that the Phil Dunphy character is the most likely janitor because he's a magician? And apparently in flavour a magician would "make a flip disappear"?
b) Is so thoroughly convinced we are mafia that he took his epiphany that the janitor was Phil, to the extreme of applying it to his top scum read.
The logical hoops I have to jump through to be okay with this are TOO DAMN HIGH.
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BT is claiming that they can redirect night actions performed on X to Y.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:26 pmi am baffled as to how this makes any sense. walk me through the mechanics behind this.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pm Also we should never be voting BT today regardless. They are essentially claimed doc with the upside that if they land their doc save they also get a vigilante shot that night. I am never going to vote that claim on D2 with no counterclaim or mech info implicating them.
The obvious use of this ability is to make an obvious nightkill target X and a POE slot Y.
If someone tries to kill X, not only does X not die, Y dies.
That is functionally equivalent to stopping a nightkill on X, and at the same time using a vigilante shot on Y.
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I haven't actually tried to understand their claim if I am being honest I just took at face value that it is what Alison described it as.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:29 pmthey claimed redirector, not doc, no? or am i misunderstanding something about their claim?Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:27 pmAre you serious? You don't understand why it's mechanically correct to leave an uncc'd doctor alive? Have you played mafia before?trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:26 pmi am baffled as to how this makes any sense. walk me through the mechanics behind this.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pm Also we should never be voting BT today regardless. They are essentially claimed doc with the upside that if they land their doc save they also get a vigilante shot that night. I am never going to vote that claim on D2 with no counterclaim or mech info implicating them.
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@Bottom Text can you self target?
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okay so i thought that it was redirecting someone's action to someone else, not redirecting an action performed on someone to someone else
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I'm actually just ridiculously good at mafiaPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:21 pm Alright I want to talk about something.
Urist (I think) evidently was able to guess our identity on the basis that Urist:
a) Believes that he correctly identified that the Phil Dunphy character is the most likely janitor because he's a magician? And apparently in flavour a magician would "make a flip disappear"?
b) Is so thoroughly convinced we are mafia that he took his epiphany that the janitor was Phil, to the extreme of applying it to his top scum read.
The logical hoops I have to jump through to be okay with this are TOO DAMN HIGH.
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TSPIC has had a good SOD today, and I especially thought that them clearing Toopy (who they've been pretty negative on) for being unable to fake Tim's tone was a townie move by them. They also don't seem W/W with TAT, so if TAT is wolf (which is what I am leaning towards right now) then TSPIC looks even better. I am willing to give TSPIC a day pass for today.
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correctAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:29 pmBT is claiming that they can redirect night actions performed on X to Y.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:26 pmi am baffled as to how this makes any sense. walk me through the mechanics behind this.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pm Also we should never be voting BT today regardless. They are essentially claimed doc with the upside that if they land their doc save they also get a vigilante shot that night. I am never going to vote that claim on D2 with no counterclaim or mech info implicating them.
The obvious use of this ability is to make an obvious nightkill target X and a POE slot Y.
If someone tries to kill X, not only does X not die, Y dies.
That is functionally equivalent to stopping a nightkill on X, and at the same time using a vigilante shot on Y.
wolves can try to find that out tonight if theyd like
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I'm assuming Urist correctly guessed our flavor because he rolecopped us
Which means there's no damn way he should still be pushing us if he's town
Which means there's no damn way he should still be pushing us if he's town
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Did anyone actually see my role claim btw? Bodyguard lol.
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I was weirded out by it too but I can't think of any alternative explanations other than a coincidental guess. Flavor isn't tied to alignment or role so it doesn't make sense for flavor cop to exist. Mayyyybe some kind of weird lover/executioner variant where you know the flavor but not player name of your target.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:28 pmPossibly but I am currently transfixed by Honey & Vinegar correctly guessing our role and then trying to justify knowing it by having incorrectly presumed that our character makes the most sense to be a janitor role in flavour.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pm Poop your best read is probably your read on Mana.
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Oh hmmmmmPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:33 pm Did anyone actually see my role claim btw? Bodyguard lol.
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Yeah this is actually the part that is giving me pause because if he rolecopped us the last thing he is going to do is out that he knows our identity honestly. I think that it's NAI that he guessed our identity after giving it some thought.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:33 pm I'm assuming Urist correctly guessed our flavor because he rolecopped us
Which means there's no damn way he should still be pushing us if he's town
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there's like plausibility that bottom text could still be a wolf because it's not exactly confirmable, but now that i actually understand what the claim is it's more likely to be mechanically correct to defenestrate elsewhere
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What I have to rationalise is that Urist correctly guessed our identity using bad logic. Which, I mean, why not I suppose.
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To be clear when you claim bodyguard you mean "I guard X, if someone tries to kill X, I die instead"? Who did you guard N1?
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k I conclude you're thinking too much about thisPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:26 pmYeah you appear to be very confused.TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pmis this a wolf claim or am i confusedPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:21 pm Alright I want to talk about something.
Urist (I think) evidently was able to guess our identity on the basis that Urist:
a) Believes that he correctly identified that the Phil Dunphy character is the most likely janitor because he's a magician? And apparently in flavour a magician would "make a flip disappear"?
b) Is so thoroughly convinced we are mafia that he took his epiphany that the janitor was Phil, to the extreme of applying it to his top scum read.
The logical hoops I have to jump through to be okay with this are TOO DAMN HIGH.
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If he rolecopped you as mafia he would just say "hey, kill Poop tonight" to his scum chat and zip his lips probably.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:34 pmYeah this is actually the part that is giving me pause because if he rolecopped us the last thing he is going to do is out that he knows our identity honestly. I think that it's NAI that he guessed our identity after giving it some thought.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:33 pm I'm assuming Urist correctly guessed our flavor because he rolecopped us
Which means there's no damn way he should still be pushing us if he's town
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there are other explanationsPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:35 pm What I have to rationalise is that Urist correctly guessed our identity using bad logic. Which, I mean, why not I suppose.
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It just now becometh apparent to me that what we have here are lots of people being very townie that are struggling to read each other town.
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Mac is now outing a pseudo CC so I'm torn againtrans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:34 pm there's like plausibility that bottom text could still be a wolf because it's not exactly confirmable, but now that i actually understand what the claim is it's more likely to be mechanically correct to defenestrate elsewhere
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I dunno, we're getting our fair share of suspicion, got wagoned yesterday and are only a BG.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:35 pmIf he rolecopped you as mafia he would just say "hey, kill Poop tonight" to his scum chat and zip his lips probably.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:34 pmYeah this is actually the part that is giving me pause because if he rolecopped us the last thing he is going to do is out that he knows our identity honestly. I think that it's NAI that he guessed our identity after giving it some thought.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:33 pm I'm assuming Urist correctly guessed our flavor because he rolecopped us
Which means there's no damn way he should still be pushing us if he's town
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bodyguard isn’t incompatible with their claimAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:36 pmMac is now outing a pseudo CC so I'm torn againtrans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:34 pm there's like plausibility that bottom text could still be a wolf because it's not exactly confirmable, but now that i actually understand what the claim is it's more likely to be mechanically correct to defenestrate elsewhere
I don’t believe 1-way bus driver tho
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I struggle to believe that town gets two redirecting pseudo-protectives in a 13P.
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iiii am very confuuuuuused
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Obviously, but there don't have to be is all I am saying.TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:35 pmthere are other explanationsPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:35 pm What I have to rationalise is that Urist correctly guessed our identity using bad logic. Which, I mean, why not I suppose.
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it's similar enough that i raise an eyebrow but not close enough for me to consider like, thunderdoming it or anythingtrans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:37 pmbodyguard isn’t incompatible with their claimAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:36 pmMac is now outing a pseudo CC so I'm torn againtrans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:34 pm there's like plausibility that bottom text could still be a wolf because it's not exactly confirmable, but now that i actually understand what the claim is it's more likely to be mechanically correct to defenestrate elsewhere
I don’t believe 1-way bus driver tho
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We are:Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:38 pm I struggle to believe that town gets two redirecting pseudo-protectives in a 13P.
a) 2 shot
b) die if we succeed
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who the hell has the second one
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]
anyways people not named tsp are not allowed to make mech reads or else bad stuff happens
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]
im trying to think if my role and bodyguard can cause paradoxical results in any way
i think the weirdest outcome is them bodyguarding and protecting themselves by killing themselves but
i think the weirdest outcome is them bodyguarding and protecting themselves by killing themselves but
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]
Well I asked you if you can self target because I was thinking that there might be a way for us to confirm one another through that but I also gave it zero thought beyond "seems like it'd do some weird shit".Bottom Text wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:41 pm im trying to think if my role and bodyguard can cause paradoxical results in any way
i think the weirdest outcome is them bodyguarding and protecting themselves by killing themselves but
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]
poop explosions is almost certainly a villager pretty sure.
i'll be back later. i'm processing some of the stuff that's going on.
i'll be back later. i'm processing some of the stuff that's going on.
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]
shrug. if it's real it's another point to tim/hk being a 3p and the game being 9v3v1, imo.
we can't self target. that'd be dumb, lol.
we can't self target. that'd be dumb, lol.
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]
how is it another point to that
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]
why lolBottom Text wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:43 pm shrug. if it's real it's another point to tim/hk being a 3p and the game being 9v3v1, imo.
we can't self target. that'd be dumb, lol.
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Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 2]
do not speculate about that which you do not understand