Modern Family Hydra Mafia [GAME END]

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

We sent them this:
Hello Two and Through! We are the Traitor!
We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die.
We also have a 1-Shot Vanillaizer that we can only use if a dead mafia tells us who to use it on!
If you need proof, we softed traitor in 1202 hoping maybe a scummate would pick up on it
Can you tell us who we should Vanalize and maybe also tell us your scum team? Just so we don’t end up pushing them.
Don’t worry we will avenge you!

They responded with this:
“We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die."
This is obviously a lie since we were town...nice try.

amazing

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

the reason the claim is believeable is because I don't think they could possibly imitate Tim that well

[Honey & Vinegar]

Most likely two and through are town who were so utterly bewildered by toopy's obviously fake claim that they forgot to claim their role

[Bottom Text]

mist also thinks two and through being a 3p in a 13er is unlikely.

9v3v1 is plausible depending on the general power level

1x vig flip and my role make me think it's not unreasonable

for the record i don't think our role is very strong.

cool i dont really care and this isn't necessary to talk about

i've already claimed the basis of my role so im not uncomfortable speculating things like this

you have no reason to do this with your own claim publicly, so cease; speculate privately if you want.

im currently trying to rationalize seths role existing with precisely a D1 janitoring and think that if it were a slot i didn't townread that their role would proooobably be a part of why the D1 flip was janitored (ergo a >rand W role) but

shrug

not thinking too hard bout it, seths still villaging imo.

[Honey & Vinegar]

Hey toopy can you just send one msg and they send one back? Or how did it work exactly

[Akemi Hazelnut]

the reason the claim is believeable is because I don't think they could possibly imitate Tim that well

This is a very salient point actually.

I believe in town medium way more than mafia medium so Toopy might be clear.

[FalconKnows]

Two & through could have been n0 janitor'd or something.
Or d1 janitored when they were a big wagon.
Also possible they were a wolf with a passive self janitor yeah.
I don't think we should play as if he was obv a wolf.

why did I read this as tmi

Well guys.
We yeeted Town.
And now me and Binoo have no ability.

I read you explanation but you still lost me

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I think the nice try thing is NAI, if TAT is town they said it because they knew for a fact Toopy was lying, if TAT is scum they said it because they suspect Toopy was baiting them.

I still think TAT is most likely >rand scum

[Timsup2gettinserious]

mostly the "we yeeted town" part

thats what matters more

1-Shot Med.
Tried to fake claim traitor and made like so much effort into making it believable but they were just Town.

Doesn't a Medium visit dead people? Why did it lead to them getting janitored?

- Hyena

[Poop Explosions]

@Akemi Hazelnut what's my least dumb read?

[Akemi Hazelnut]

I think the fact that TAT was janitored isn't itself AI. Not claiming a role is kinda scummy. The nice try thing was NAI.

I believed they were decently >rand scum yesterday so I'm ok with treating them as probable scum now with the caveat that we should at least keep an eye on town TAT worlds.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

@Akemi Hazelnut what's my least dumb read?

Let me fully catch up first

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

seems. reasonable

[trans rights]

I think the fact that TAT was janitored isn't itself AI. Not claiming a role is kinda scummy. The nice try thing was NAI.

I believed they were decently >rand scum yesterday so I'm ok with treating them as probable scum now with the caveat that we should at least keep an eye on town TAT worlds.

yeah i was also going to say that them not claiming a role was pretty wolfy, especially when they earlier said they would. plus it doesn't seem like they claimed what they actually are to toopy.

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

also the fact that jpic posted 9 times more than me on day 1 means we're lock clear and anyone who voted for us and should have known better is therefore a wolf

[Bottom Text]

shrug. think it's >rand W to not claim a role, even if gav is doing their typical nonsense.

i mean tbh if you're not claiming wolf in a neighborhood/medium chat then ur doing it wrong so

[Akemi Hazelnut]

interesting... so you don't know what the action was that got redirected to us?

any actions targetting X targeted you instead

I see.. and you dont want to share who X is, right?

if we're going to die i'll obviously out who X was but if we're not dying then i'm going to... not do that

You probably should because someone might have an investigative on X

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

gotta be honest if i were town on that walrus and got sent that message I dunno if I'd have had a different reaction

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Question. When you mistakenly believed your role redirected all actions targeted at X and Y to you, did you believe it redirected all actions or only lethal actions?

[dunya]

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to hammer. Please remember you have a post cap of 200, which is lifted one hour before EoD- from 6.30pm to 7.30pm EST May 8

[Bottom Text]

interesting... so you don't know what the action was that got redirected to us?

any actions targetting X targeted you instead

I see.. and you dont want to share who X is, right?

if we're going to die i'll obviously out who X was but if we're not dying then i'm going to... not do that

You probably should because someone might have an investigative on X

would be a pretty shit tier invest target

[Bottom Text]

Question. When you mistakenly believed your role redirected all actions targeted at X and Y to you, did you believe it redirected all actions or only lethal actions?

all. (which it does)

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Question. When you mistakenly believed your role redirected all actions targeted at X and Y to you, did you believe it redirected all actions or only lethal actions?

all. (which it does)

It's weird that you described it as a bodyguard initially then, BG explicitly only targets lethal actions. If you thought it redirected all actions it would make more sense to call it a lightning rod or self redirector, no?

[Honey & Vinegar]

If tat were mafia i assume they'd at least have the good sense to tell toopy to vanillize one of their scum partners.

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

kinda think kat's claim is >rand town but it might just be >rand kat

[Poop Explosions]

We agreed AH and H&V are town with basically no discussion. I'm not sure what changed Mac's mind either.

H&V are town

Yeah, no, fuck that. Practically everyone ignored H&V's existence yesterday. You don't get to come in here and suddenly have a read on them. I'm calling bullshit. I bet you didn't even read a single post of their's.

- Hyena

that is extremely incorrect

[Honey & Vinegar]

Question. When you mistakenly believed your role redirected all actions targeted at X and Y to you, did you believe it redirected all actions or only lethal actions?

all. (which it does)

It's weird that you described it as a bodyguard initially then, BG explicitly only targets lethal actions. If you thought it redirected all actions it would make more sense to call it a lightning rod or self redirector, no?

Bad post

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

@mac is nutealla a wolf

[Akemi Hazelnut]

If tat were mafia i assume they'd at least have the good sense to tell toopy to vanillize one of their scum partners.

Hm

If Tim is a wolf and receives what he thinks is a reaction test from a town medium, does he:

a) Clam up to avoid spewing people, or
b) Try to fake clear one of his partners?

If it's b) he has to calculate the possibility that Toopy goes public with it and thread suspect he anti spewed one of his teammates.

[Bottom Text]

Question. When you mistakenly believed your role redirected all actions targeted at X and Y to you, did you believe it redirected all actions or only lethal actions?

all. (which it does)

It's weird that you described it as a bodyguard initially then, BG explicitly only targets lethal actions. If you thought it redirected all actions it would make more sense to call it a lightning rod or self redirector, no?

well basically

i've seen the term lightning rod like once ever in a mafia setting tbh

but my mentality was that my role, as i originally perceived, was unlikely to exist in a setup with other protective roles (bg/doc/jk) so i mentally assigned myself the role of super bodyguard and aspired to die night one

kinda think kat's claim is >rand town but it might just be >rand kat

>rand kat is a scary concept

[Toopy and Binoo]

Hey toopy can you just send one msg and they send one back? Or how did it work exactly

I send a message and then I receive their response at the start of the next day.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

anyways we're deathtunneling bottom text. i'm doing it somewhat out of policy. don't spaghetti your role claims as a villager. it also would stun me if such a mechanically minded player like katze would blunder a claim like this.

here's another tidbit of info: i rolled village redirector in a game before. it was actually inception mafia on this very site. i played lax that game but not out of me thinking the role was "self-resolving"; in fact i didn't think that whatsoever and my role basically did nothing the entire game. the game also forbid role claims for the record. i don't really believe katze/esooa believed their self-resolving plan given how shallow it was and the fact you need to direct 2 wolves for it to even work. if they are a villager, they miscalculated this exceptionally poorly.

I don't think it's unreasonable to call the role they thought they were self resolving

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

bottom text has died
they were
1 shot doctor

[Honey & Vinegar]

bottom text has died
they were
1 shot doctor

Vt

[Akemi Hazelnut]

BT's D1 play kinda makes sense if they planned on using their role as a pseudo BG.

poop explosions I think your tunnel on trans rights is bad and they are fairly obviously townie on play.

[Toopy and Binoo]

mostly the "we yeeted town" part

thats what matters more

1-Shot Med.
Tried to fake claim traitor and made like so much effort into making it believable but they were just Town.

Doesn't a Medium visit dead people? Why did it lead to them getting janitored?

- Hyena

WDYM?
I targeted them at night.

[Toopy and Binoo]

I originally assumed or at least hoped they were Mafia with the effort they clean themselves via yeet.
But they were Town sadly.

[Toopy and Binoo]

-Toopy

[Poop Explosions]

Guess the townread Mac's talking me out of

[Poop Explosions]

Alright I want to talk about something.

Urist (I think) evidently was able to guess our identity on the basis that Urist:

a) Believes that he correctly identified that the Phil Dunphy character is the most likely janitor because he's a magician? And apparently in flavour a magician would "make a flip disappear"?
b) Is so thoroughly convinced we are mafia that he took his epiphany that the janitor was Phil, to the extreme of applying it to his top scum read.

The logical hoops I have to jump through to be okay with this are TOO DAMN HIGH.

[Poop Explosions]

@mac is nutealla a wolf

Unlikely.

[Toopy and Binoo]

BT's D1 play kinda makes sense if they planned on using their role as a pseudo BG.

poop explosions I think your tunnel on trans rights is bad and they are fairly obviously townie on play.

I kinda think you might be a deep wolf and I’m like sad that Binoo put you in the town core and it’s like if your deep wolf I want to be cool and not have you in the core.

I hope a Cop can check you to confirm your alignment and end my paranoia

[Poop Explosions]

BT's D1 play kinda makes sense if they planned on using their role as a pseudo BG.

poop explosions I think your tunnel on trans rights is bad and they are fairly obviously townie on play.

How do you feel about the Hyena slot?

[Toopy and Binoo]

-Tooopy

[Toopy and Binoo]

@mac is nutealla a wolf

Unlikely.

Mac is Nanook a wolf?

[trans rights]

kinda think kat's claim is >rand town but it might just be >rand kat

elaborate as to why this would be the case.

[Poop Explosions]

I think that if Alison and Nutella were a wolf that I would have had more reason to feel that way by now. I had one fleeting ping from Nutella and have had zero pings from Alison. I know they're good but I can read them both as good as anyone really.

[Poop Explosions]

@mac is nutealla a wolf

Unlikely.

Mac is Nanook a wolf?

The better question is, is Juliets a wolf. To which the answer would appear to be no.

[Poop Explosions]

kinda think kat's claim is >rand town but it might just be >rand kat

elaborate as to why this would be the case.

I am reading Bottom Text as inno child level town. Explain how they are not?

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Also we should never be voting BT today regardless. They are essentially claimed doc with the upside that if they land their doc save they also get a vigilante shot that night. I am never going to vote that claim on D2 with no counterclaim or mech info implicating them.