Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[Michelle]

You jumped on me like wolves on a deer folks

[Michelle]

Hally I will not read that, i have a life

okay. well then it’s hard to care about your defense of ted unless you have mechanical information suggesting he’s a villager

I note this as role fishing and put you in my Poe

once again, i’m lock clear

Proove it

ask anyone else to tell you why i’m clear

No one said, you were the one telling you are clear, you explain

[Justplayingitcool]

Hally I will not read that, i have a life

okay. well then it’s hard to care about your defense of ted unless you have mechanical information suggesting he’s a villager

I note this as role fishing and put you in my Poe

once again, i’m lock clear

Proove it

Hally I will not read that, i have a life

okay. well then it’s hard to care about your defense of ted unless you have mechanical information suggesting he’s a villager

I note this as role fishing and put you in my Poe

once again, i’m lock clear

GOC flashbacks

[Strawhenge]

What? I don't dodge mech questions

What do you call this then?

Hally I will not read that, i have a life

okay. well then it’s hard to care about your defense of ted unless you have mechanical information suggesting he’s a villager

I note this as role fishing and put you in my Poe

[Michelle]

I said i will not post about meta

you're not helping by refusing to elaborate on your reads.

I reffuse to elaborate on a read everyone should know about because is meta for a player who just played with us in a very different way the GoC game

Enlighten me I didn't play in the GoC.

But you played with Ted?

[Michelle]

What? I don't dodge mech questions

What do you call this then?

Hally I will not read that, i have a life

okay. well then it’s hard to care about your defense of ted unless you have mechanical information suggesting he’s a villager

I note this as role fishing and put you in my Poe

That is not a mechanical question, that's role fishing

[Justplayingitcool]

FWIW I also had a meta read that ted was town D1, but the reads put forth by others such as Sloonei and co far trumps the meta read.

[Strawhenge]

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

[BoKnows]

I said i will not post about meta

you're not helping by refusing to elaborate on your reads.

I reffuse to elaborate on a read everyone should know about because is meta for a player who just played with us in a very different way the GoC game

Enlighten me I didn't play in the GoC.

But you played with Ted?

Maybe. I don't remember much about shadow corridors and fallout mafia.

[Michelle]

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Who's not cooperating?
Poll runs till Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:00 am
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AL_sama
2
10%
Voters: falcon45ca, staypositivefriend
Alison
0
No votes
Voters: None
BoKnows
0
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Voters: None
Dom
0
No votes
Voters: None
Esooa
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
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fingersplints
0
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Hally
0
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Voters: None
Justplayingitcool
0
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Voters: None
KZA
0
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Voters: None
Long Con
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Voters: None
Marmot
0
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Voters: None
Michelle
0
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Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
2
10%
Voters: Michelle, Sloonei
Oddmerta
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
Strawhenge
0
No votes
Voters: None
tedxtr
5
25%
Voters: Justplayingitcool, Strawhenge, Hally, TonyStarkPrime, BoKnows
TonyStarkPrime
6
30%
Voters: Oddmerta, Alison, Esooa, fingersplints, KZA, tedxtr
Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
No Elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
I'm cooperatin' here darn tooting! (Host/Dead/Non)
5
25%
Voters: MacDougall, nutella, novaselinenever, JaggedJimmyJay, Marmot
Total votes: 20

VC

Ted is counter wagon for TSP
Nanok's wagon doesn't grow

This is interesting

[Strawhenge]

Ted is counter wagon for TSP
Nanok's wagon doesn't grow

This is interesting

You're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.

[Hally]

You jumped on me like wolves on a deer folks

i’m not jumping on you. i think you’re a villager. i’m just trying to understand why you v read ted and see if we can’t bridge the gap in our reads because i value your input. you’re making communicating with you impossible though

[falcon45ca]

Maybe Bo?

Sloonei talk to me about Bo, who I think we're volume clearing but also occupies a weird thread position

TonyStarkPrime seems sus *Vote TSP*

tbh I don't like his first post

do we just assume that's out of his range as a wolf? It'd be out of a lot of people's ranges. Jay likes to make charts when he's a wolf though so idk. Most people aren't jay.

An Analysis of Marmot's Mentions

Earlier today I finished my analytics course so I thought it would be nice to do something analytically to celebrate. This is a basic breakdown of Marmot's posts and how he mentioned every single one of us. I went through Marmot's ISO and counted the number of times he quoted someone, and mentioned someone in one of his posts. I then categorized every single one of Martin's mentions into three categories; Null, Town, and Scum.

I categorized something a "Town" post/mention when Marmot labelled you as a town-read/lean, defended you, or gave you props for one of your posts.
I categorized something a "Scum" post/mention when Marmot scum read you, disliked what you were saying, or voted for you.
Null is everything else

It is important to keep in mind that the data doesn't fully account for sarcasm and tone. If Marmot said "I think BoKnows is scum for posting twice in a row", I would count that as a scum post. These numbers also do not show the progression of Marmots reads. These are just raw numbers that will visualize Marmot's interactions. In my opinion, these graphs will be best paired with all the analyses Jay already did.

Complete Overview

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Individual Breakdown
*Disclaimer: if you can't find a certain player all of their posts were considered null

► Show Spoiler

wolfy pie charts

I think Bo is probably town for making graphs if we can get back to that conversation. He's pretty high on the list

None of this progression on Bo makes sense. TSP calls the pie charts wolfy, but the pie charts have interesting data on Ted implicating him as a possible scum teammate of Marmot's....TSP has his vote on Ted & has him as a high scum read, so what's wolfy about the charts to TSP?

This is a snared wolf trying to widen the POE. He's thrashing like mad, almost surely a guarantee scum lynch IMO

[Hally]

Hally I will not read that, i have a life

okay. well then it’s hard to care about your defense of ted unless you have mechanical information suggesting he’s a villager

I note this as role fishing and put you in my Poe

once again, i’m lock clear

Proove it

ask anyone else to tell you why i’m clear

No one said, you were the one telling you are clear, you explain

i can’t

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: VOTE TSP] aubergine

[Michelle]

Ted is counter wagon for TSP
Nanok's wagon doesn't grow

This is interesting

You're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.

I don't even try, to convince you, you have big scum equity fmpov

[Justplayingitcool]

Michelle is playing incredibly similar to how she did in GoC. I still think she is a villager

[AL_sama]

hi, tutuu didn’t dip. i replaced her

ah I missed that

how much of the thread have you read? what are your thoughts?

pretty much most of it

I've noticed something that no one really brought up yet

alison have been kinda trying to avoid lynching ted to an extent and I wanna know why??

alison is lock clear. she can do what she wants

who do you want to kill today?

what makes you lock alison as town?? her play??

ted as I think he is scum and his flip will provide good info

Al vote Nanook with me

I'll go with my reads here mich

[Hally]

@falcon45ca i highly doubt tony was seriously saying the pie charts were wolfy. that was a joke because people were saying sometimes wolves do charts to look villagery. tony made it very clear he thought that bo was a villager for the charts

[Strawhenge]

Ted is counter wagon for TSP
Nanok's wagon doesn't grow

This is interesting

You're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.

I don't even try, to convince you, you have big scum equity fmpov

I'll agree that, 'No guys, just vote for this other person, come on,' is not trying.

I'm not sure what 'scum equity' means, but if you're saying I'm scummy for wanting better reasons to chop someone, then I guess I'm scummy.

[falcon45ca]

it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead

Quality posting from a town mindset right here

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca i highly doubt tony was seriously saying the pie charts were wolfy. that was a joke because people were saying sometimes wolves do charts to look villagery. tony made it very clear he thought that bo was a villager for the charts

It's hard to tell if he's joking or being serious with most of his posting lately

[Hally]

Michelle is playing incredibly similar to how she did in GoC. I still think she is a villager

similar in what way?

[Michelle]

You jumped on me like wolves on a deer folks

i’m not jumping on you. i think you’re a villager. i’m just trying to understand why you v read ted and see if we can’t bridge the gap in our reads because i value your input. you’re making communicating with you impossible though

I don't like few things in mafia, and one is unnecessary aggresivity. I said I will not expand on meta, and 3 people wanted details about what i said i don't want to talk about, and all your speculations put a pressure on your town read. Why are you doing this?

[Hally]

Ted is counter wagon for TSP
Nanok's wagon doesn't grow

This is interesting

You're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.

I don't even try, to convince you, you have big scum equity fmpov

why?

[Hally]

it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead

Quality posting from a town mindset right here

this is a reach. that post is entirely NAI

[Hally]

@falcon45ca i highly doubt tony was seriously saying the pie charts were wolfy. that was a joke because people were saying sometimes wolves do charts to look villagery. tony made it very clear he thought that bo was a villager for the charts

It's hard to tell if he's joking or being serious with most of his posting lately

welcome to tony

[Michelle]

[VOTE: VOTE TSP] aubergine

it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead

Quality posting from a town mindset right here

[Michelle]

Ted is counter wagon for TSP
Nanok's wagon doesn't grow

This is interesting

You're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.

I don't even try, to convince you, you have big scum equity fmpov

why?

Gut

[AL_sama]

hi, tutuu didn’t dip. i replaced her

ah I missed that

how much of the thread have you read? what are your thoughts?

pretty much most of it

I've noticed something that no one really brought up yet

alison have been kinda trying to avoid lynching ted to an extent and I wanna know why??

alison is lock clear. she can do what she wants

who do you want to kill today?

what makes you lock alison as town?? her play??

ted as I think he is scum and his flip will provide good info

alison’s play + claimed role ~never comes from a wolf imo

not liking this post

from what I've seen so far in this game this kinda thing should be pretty easy for her to do

[Justplayingitcool]

Michelle is playing incredibly similar to how she did in GoC. I still think she is a villager

similar in what way?

Michelle was tunnelled on tutuu all game despite having multiple different mech pieces of information clearing her as town. Her post attacking you just gave me that same goosebumps and deja vu

[Hally]

You jumped on me like wolves on a deer folks

i’m not jumping on you. i think you’re a villager. i’m just trying to understand why you v read ted and see if we can’t bridge the gap in our reads because i value your input. you’re making communicating with you impossible though

I don't like few things in mafia, and one is unnecessary aggresivity. I said I will not expand on meta, and 3 people wanted details about what i said i don't want to talk about, and all your speculations put a pressure on your town read. Why are you doing this?

because i value your reads and insight so i want to understand where you’re coming from. no one is being aggressive with you. i don’t think anyone has even suspected you in this entire interaction. we just want to understand. if you don’t want to explain i can’t force you though. but it would help us out

[Hally]

ah I missed that

how much of the thread have you read? what are your thoughts?

pretty much most of it

I've noticed something that no one really brought up yet

alison have been kinda trying to avoid lynching ted to an extent and I wanna know why??

alison is lock clear. she can do what she wants

who do you want to kill today?

what makes you lock alison as town?? her play??

ted as I think he is scum and his flip will provide good info

alison’s play + claimed role ~never comes from a wolf imo

not liking this post

from what I've seen so far in this game this kinda thing should be pretty easy for her to do

what makes you say that?

[Hally]

Michelle is playing incredibly similar to how she did in GoC. I still think she is a villager

similar in what way?

Michelle was tunnelled on tutuu all game despite having multiple different mech pieces of information clearing her as town. Her post attacking you just gave me that same goosebumps and deja vu

was she a villager or a wolf in GoC?

[Michelle]

Ted is counter wagon for TSP
Nanok's wagon doesn't grow

This is interesting

You're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.

I don't even try, to convince you, you have big scum equity fmpov

I'll agree that, 'No guys, just vote for this other person, come on,' is not trying.

I'm not sure what 'scum equity' means, but if you're saying I'm scummy for wanting better reasons to chop someone, then I guess I'm scummy.

I want a wagon on a player. We are far from Eod.
But
You don't want to go there, at all.
That means you are
1 possible really scum reading Ted
2 mafia with Nanook

My mind goes to the second version

[Justplayingitcool]

Michelle is playing incredibly similar to how she did in GoC. I still think she is a villager

similar in what way?

Michelle was tunnelled on tutuu all game despite having multiple different mech pieces of information clearing her as town. Her post attacking you just gave me that same goosebumps and deja vu

was she a villager or a wolf in GoC?

Villager

[Hally]

Michelle is playing incredibly similar to how she did in GoC. I still think she is a villager

similar in what way?

Michelle was tunnelled on tutuu all game despite having multiple different mech pieces of information clearing her as town. Her post attacking you just gave me that same goosebumps and deja vu

was she a villager or a wolf in GoC?

Villager

ah okay, for some reason i thought she was a wolf in that game. well then i agree with your read. she’s probably a villager

[Strawhenge]

Ted is counter wagon for TSP
Nanok's wagon doesn't grow

This is interesting

You're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.

I don't even try, to convince you, you have big scum equity fmpov

I'll agree that, 'No guys, just vote for this other person, come on,' is not trying.

I'm not sure what 'scum equity' means, but if you're saying I'm scummy for wanting better reasons to chop someone, then I guess I'm scummy.

I want a wagon on a player. We are far from Eod.
But
You don't want to go there, at all.
That means you are
1 possible really scum reading Ted
2 mafia with Nanook

My mind goes to the second version

I never said I didn't want to go there. I'm open to going there, but I need a reason to go there over where I'm currently going.

And ftr, yes, I'm scumreading ted.

[AL_sama]

how much of the thread have you read? what are your thoughts?

pretty much most of it

I've noticed something that no one really brought up yet

alison have been kinda trying to avoid lynching ted to an extent and I wanna know why??

alison is lock clear. she can do what she wants

who do you want to kill today?

what makes you lock alison as town?? her play??

ted as I think he is scum and his flip will provide good info

alison’s play + claimed role ~never comes from a wolf imo

not liking this post

from what I've seen so far in this game this kinda thing should be pretty easy for her to do

what makes you say that?

say what??

[falcon45ca]

tier 3: ehhhh
spf
jpic
nanook
bk
lc
Michelle

tier 4:
finger
kza
al
ted

unr: dom (but I think more likely wolf for reasons)

Let's talk about these tiers. Why are spf and bo stuck in ehhhh? A few minutes ago you said bo was probably town. SPF is a popular town read.

Why is nanook in tier 3 rather than tier 4? Why is fingersplints in tier 4 rather than tier 3? Why is Dom "more likely wolf"?
And lastly, have you given any consideration to how any of these folks would fit on either of the hypothetical teams?

the difference between tier 3 and tier 4 is not particuarly well thought out. I think Nanook is playing slightly in his town profile more here, especially in a multiball game. I generally expect mafia nanook to try to keep a hand on the wheel a bit more, and in a multiball game I think I'd expect that even more. As I don't see that, that's enough to raise him above a fair amount of the crowd. I just read Mac's iso and he said that he thought Bo was polarising or something. IDK. He's probably town. I would have had him in tier 4 before. SPF is at the top of tier 3 but I consider tier 1 and 2 to be what would colloquially be towncore (frankly I don't get all the reads there but okay) and SPF hasn't done enough to justify this assertion. I have done next to zero work on finger and honestly can't keep them and straw straight but my general impression is they fit on either team decently (I'm leaning towards not marmot though). Could be tier 3 but probably not higher than LC at least. I've thought about teams a bit but seeing as we have no information on one it's not a top priority. But people who I think are cleared from being teamed with marmot get boosts.

Prior to this TSP had his "BK scummy, BK maybe not scummy? Piecharts are wolfy, link me his scum games, BK prolly town" progression....



Which moved BK to "ehhhhhhh" status, not particularly well thought out difference between Tier 3 or 4, and some stuff about Mac's ISO saying Bo was polarizing, woulda been Tier 4.


How can BK be towny, but also be "ehhhhhhh, he's almost Tier 4"? It doesn't make sense from a towny perspective.

[Hally]

pretty much most of it

I've noticed something that no one really brought up yet

alison have been kinda trying to avoid lynching ted to an extent and I wanna know why??

alison is lock clear. she can do what she wants

who do you want to kill today?

what makes you lock alison as town?? her play??

ted as I think he is scum and his flip will provide good info

alison’s play + claimed role ~never comes from a wolf imo

not liking this post

from what I've seen so far in this game this kinda thing should be pretty easy for her to do

what makes you say that?

say what??

what makes you say “from what I've seen so far in this game this kinda thing should be pretty easy for her to do”?

[Hally]

tier 3: ehhhh
spf
jpic
nanook
bk
lc
Michelle

tier 4:
finger
kza
al
ted

unr: dom (but I think more likely wolf for reasons)

Let's talk about these tiers. Why are spf and bo stuck in ehhhh? A few minutes ago you said bo was probably town. SPF is a popular town read.

Why is nanook in tier 3 rather than tier 4? Why is fingersplints in tier 4 rather than tier 3? Why is Dom "more likely wolf"?
And lastly, have you given any consideration to how any of these folks would fit on either of the hypothetical teams?

the difference between tier 3 and tier 4 is not particuarly well thought out. I think Nanook is playing slightly in his town profile more here, especially in a multiball game. I generally expect mafia nanook to try to keep a hand on the wheel a bit more, and in a multiball game I think I'd expect that even more. As I don't see that, that's enough to raise him above a fair amount of the crowd. I just read Mac's iso and he said that he thought Bo was polarising or something. IDK. He's probably town. I would have had him in tier 4 before. SPF is at the top of tier 3 but I consider tier 1 and 2 to be what would colloquially be towncore (frankly I don't get all the reads there but okay) and SPF hasn't done enough to justify this assertion. I have done next to zero work on finger and honestly can't keep them and straw straight but my general impression is they fit on either team decently (I'm leaning towards not marmot though). Could be tier 3 but probably not higher than LC at least. I've thought about teams a bit but seeing as we have no information on one it's not a top priority. But people who I think are cleared from being teamed with marmot get boosts.

Prior to this TSP had his "BK scummy, BK maybe not scummy? Piecharts are wolfy, link me his scum games, BK prolly town" progression....



Which moved BK to "ehhhhhhh" status, not particularly well thought out difference between Tier 3 or 4, and some stuff about Mac's ISO saying Bo was polarizing, woulda been Tier 4.


How can BK be towny, but also be "ehhhhhhh, he's almost Tier 4"? It doesn't make sense from a towny perspective.

our good friend @Sloonei would tell us that hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook

[Michelle]

You jumped on me like wolves on a deer folks

i’m not jumping on you. i think you’re a villager. i’m just trying to understand why you v read ted and see if we can’t bridge the gap in our reads because i value your input. you’re making communicating with you impossible though

I don't like few things in mafia, and one is unnecessary aggresivity. I said I will not expand on meta, and 3 people wanted details about what i said i don't want to talk about, and all your speculations put a pressure on your town read. Why are you doing this?

because i value your reads and insight so i want to understand where you’re coming from. no one is being aggressive with you. i don’t think anyone has even suspected you in this entire interaction. we just want to understand. if you don’t want to explain i can’t force you though. but it would help us out

Why don't you talk for yourself, why are you using we? Do you know others alignament?
'We want to understand' is a curious way of talking for a villager. Villagers are lonely scum hunters.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: VOTE TSP] aubergine

it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead

Quality posting from a town mindset right here

There are 2 scum teams. I'm happy with a Ted or TSP lynch.

[Hally]

it’s entirely possible tony is a wolf. i’m just not really convinced by a lot of the reasons i see being thrown around though and it kinda feels like he’s just getting piled on

[Michelle]

Imagine my face when Hally asks for my meta >.<

[falcon45ca]

it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead

Quality posting from a town mindset right here

this is a reach. that post is entirely NAI

Disagree. If he's town and getting pushed hard, I think he'd be taking it a bit more seriously. But perhaps you have a meta on him? I think those kind of posts are AI, but feel free to disagree. The tone of that post isn't that far off several of Marmot's

[Hally]

You jumped on me like wolves on a deer folks

i’m not jumping on you. i think you’re a villager. i’m just trying to understand why you v read ted and see if we can’t bridge the gap in our reads because i value your input. you’re making communicating with you impossible though

I don't like few things in mafia, and one is unnecessary aggresivity. I said I will not expand on meta, and 3 people wanted details about what i said i don't want to talk about, and all your speculations put a pressure on your town read. Why are you doing this?

because i value your reads and insight so i want to understand where you’re coming from. no one is being aggressive with you. i don’t think anyone has even suspected you in this entire interaction. we just want to understand. if you don’t want to explain i can’t force you though. but it would help us out

Why don't you talk for yourself, why are you using we? Do you know others alignament?
'We want to understand' is a curious way of talking for a villager. Villagers are lonely scum hunters.

never mind

[Michelle]

[VOTE: VOTE TSP] aubergine

it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead

Quality posting from a town mindset right here

There are 2 scum teams. I'm happy with a Ted or TSP lynch.

I see, it's understandable

Can you give me one sentence for each one as a mini case?

[Alison]

it’s entirely possible tony is a wolf. i’m just not really convinced by a lot of the reasons i see being thrown around though and it kinda feels like he’s just getting piled on

worth noting that "X is being dogpiled" means less than usual in a multiball game