Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Jackofhearts2005]

the thing about poes is there are like six names and four are right but there's an outsized effort to choose the wrong two

By who on who?

[Kylemii]

and how many enclave are we working with here probablt

[Long Con]

I looked at your Epi case, it looks like you're making the same (or similar) case on him that he made on Kyle.

That's weird, that wasn't intentional.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

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Is this a serious vote or am I just trying to tilt Chopchop?

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Guess you’ll have to wait and see.

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Mostly serious.

Why were you voting TSP? I was about to look into it, but you're here, and you just changed it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

and how many enclave are we working with here probablt

3-4 but I'm betting 4 because of rules

[TonyStarkPrime]

weird answer: if there are 3 then alison is always the slaver so the contrapositive holds

[Marmot]

weird answer: if there are 3 then alison is always the slaver so the contrapositive holds

heh?

[TonyStarkPrime]

or martin's a wolf

[Marmot]

Oh, that was a possible answer, not a confident assertion if there is 3.

[TonyStarkPrime]

if there are 3 then either alison is the slaver or martin is a wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

I've spent too much time in logic classes recently

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

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Is this a serious vote or am I just trying to tilt Chopchop?

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Guess you’ll have to wait and see.

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Mostly serious.

Why were you voting TSP? I was about to look into it, but you're here, and you just changed it.

Poe/Chop urging/gut.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Alison still can’t be the slaver because they were still “peeked as the slaver” by a player whose wincon doesn’t include eliminating the Slaver.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Alison still can’t be the slaver because they were still “peeked as the slaver” by a player whose wincon doesn’t include eliminating the Slaver.

And that does include eliminating the town role Alison claimed.

[TonyStarkPrime]

and i have no clue what part of martin's iso i'm remembering to take the stab I'm currently going for because I just read it and I didn't find what I was looking for

[TonyStarkPrime]

Alison still can’t be the slaver because they were still “peeked as the slaver” by a player whose wincon doesn’t include eliminating the Slaver.

we don't know any of this

[Kylemii]

and how many enclave are we working with here probablt

3-4 but I'm betting 4 because of rules

3-4 Remaining????

[TonyStarkPrime]

yeah. could? be 5 i guess but then we're already screwed

[Jackofhearts2005]

Alison still can’t be the slaver because they were still “peeked as the slaver” by a player whose wincon doesn’t include eliminating the Slaver.

we don't know any of this

That’s what Falcon said.

[Jackofhearts2005]

if there are 3 then either alison is the slaver or martin is a wolf

What?

[TonyStarkPrime]

i mean you're taking the interpretation that we can trust (an interpretation of) what falcon said but that we also can't trust it because lying is in his interest. you can't have both. if he's telling the truth he's telling the truth.

[TonyStarkPrime]

no im right on martin's alignment i think

[Jackofhearts2005]

i mean you're taking the interpretation that we can trust (an interpretation of) what falcon said but that we also can't trust it because lying is in his interest. you can't have both. if he's telling the truth he's telling the truth.

No, he’s just predictably lying.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The choices are not “trust 100%” or “ignore.”

[TonyStarkPrime]

i mean you're taking the interpretation that we can trust (an interpretation of) what falcon said but that we also can't trust it because lying is in his interest. you can't have both. if he's telling the truth he's telling the truth.

No, he’s just predictably lying.

I don't want to discuss this further because game integrity wrt modkill reasons but I find this perspective to be not really correct. alison had already claimed a role that falcon needed dead, he doesn't need to say that he checked her in that case

[TonyStarkPrime]

And also the assumption of rational action with strict obedience to win con here just seems farfetched

[TonyStarkPrime]

i mean you're taking the interpretation that we can trust (an interpretation of) what falcon said but that we also can't trust it because lying is in his interest. you can't have both. if he's telling the truth he's telling the truth.

No, he’s just predictably lying.

I don't want to discuss this further because game integrity wrt modkill reasons but I find this perspective to be not really correct. alison had already claimed a role that falcon needed dead, he doesn't need to say that he checked her in that case

well no, he said he knew she was slaver before she claimed eldridge, so he didn't even know necessarily if he needed her dead unless he checked her, found her NR, and somehow knew that, fortuitiously, it was about to become very easy to pin a slaver accusation on her, the very thing which he was already doing without that knowledge

[TonyStarkPrime]

all in all I'm choosing to ignore (but if I hypothetically weren't ignoring it I'd say you're wrong)

[Jackofhearts2005]

i mean you're taking the interpretation that we can trust (an interpretation of) what falcon said but that we also can't trust it because lying is in his interest. you can't have both. if he's telling the truth he's telling the truth.

No, he’s just predictably lying.

I don't want to discuss this further because game integrity wrt modkill reasons but I find this perspective to be not really correct. alison had already claimed a role that falcon needed dead, he doesn't need to say that he checked her in that case

Okay fair but Alison is still prty townie

[TonyStarkPrime]

get this putin pfp outta here

[TonyStarkPrime]

i mean you're taking the interpretation that we can trust (an interpretation of) what falcon said but that we also can't trust it because lying is in his interest. you can't have both. if he's telling the truth he's telling the truth.

No, he’s just predictably lying.

I don't want to discuss this further because game integrity wrt modkill reasons but I find this perspective to be not really correct. alison had already claimed a role that falcon needed dead, he doesn't need to say that he checked her in that case

Okay fair but Alison is still prty townie

do ya see me trying to chop Alison over here

[Alison]

i mean you're taking the interpretation that we can trust (an interpretation of) what falcon said but that we also can't trust it because lying is in his interest. you can't have both. if he's telling the truth he's telling the truth.

No, he’s just predictably lying.

I don't want to discuss this further because game integrity wrt modkill reasons but I find this perspective to be not really correct. alison had already claimed a role that falcon needed dead, he doesn't need to say that he checked her in that case

well no, he said he knew she was slaver before she claimed eldridge, so he didn't even know necessarily if he needed her dead unless he checked her, found her NR, and somehow knew that, fortuitiously, it was about to become very easy to pin a slaver accusation on her, the very thing which he was already doing without that knowledge

he said he knew I was slaver after I claimed elridge, not before

[Jackofhearts2005]

No. I’m just really attached to reads I’m sure aren’t multitasking mistakes.

[TonyStarkPrime]

i mean you're taking the interpretation that we can trust (an interpretation of) what falcon said but that we also can't trust it because lying is in his interest. you can't have both. if he's telling the truth he's telling the truth.

No, he’s just predictably lying.

I don't want to discuss this further because game integrity wrt modkill reasons but I find this perspective to be not really correct. alison had already claimed a role that falcon needed dead, he doesn't need to say that he checked her in that case

well no, he said he knew she was slaver before she claimed eldridge, so he didn't even know necessarily if he needed her dead unless he checked her, found her NR, and somehow knew that, fortuitiously, it was about to become very easy to pin a slaver accusation on her, the very thing which he was already doing without that knowledge

he said he knew I was slaver after I claimed elridge, not before

yeah idk it was a weird progression

[TonyStarkPrime]

No. I’m just really attached to reads I’m sure aren’t multitasking mistakes.

"alison might be a dangerous 3p, we should chop her" would have been a thing that would be nice to carry from this game into one that has recently concluded

[TonyStarkPrime]

3.5 hrs remaining. I don't know when dst is so if anything goes wrong I blame the government

[TonyStarkPrime]

wait what the hell was it this morning because if so I now understand why it took me so long to heat up that pizza and why all of a sudden my syndicate clock time is right

[Marmot]

Yeah, I was confused as hell why I woke up at 8:45 this morning. I never sleep past 8.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I fixed a clock last night and didn't even stop to think that it might have been wrong for a reason

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

@Jackofhearts2005 I noticed your vote is still on TSP in the poll.

[Marmot]

Oh wait no it wasn't, I had an old tab open that was wrong.

[Kylemii]

How long is actually left in day time

[Kylemii]

Is it 3 or 4 hours

[Urist]

About 3h left yes

[TonyStarkPrime]

lc has already claimed VT, right.

[TonyStarkPrime]

well I trust 1/2 of this wagon

[Kylemii]

so at 4pm got it

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine for now idk

[TonyStarkPrime]

no urist is probably right

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: dom[\vote]] aubergine