Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Long Con]

@Long Con

What's your read on Marmot

Town I think.

[MartinGG99]

LC is probably town I think.

Though I'm not very familiar with their scum meta; I haven't studied it. GTH town though.

[MartinGG99]

Or at the very least not w/w

I think in general answers would be more built-upon if its a known teammate.

[MartinGG99]

Names within categories are not ordered.

Town of some degree; includes both town reads and town-leans
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Alison (If slaver then she's still not my enemy)
TonyStarkPrime
Spacedaisy
Long Con
Grogu
Chop Chop

Null
Jackofhearts2005
Marmot
Kylemii
Epignosis
Dom


Maybe Scum
Urist
MacDougall
Poison


I think this is a rough idea of where I am at.

[MartinGG99]

I don't have any super-confident scum-reads, but I'm thinking of getting rid of Mac or Poison.

Urist could be due to playstyle difference so I'm not as confident on him. I don't trust my reads on him to be quite accurate.

[Grogu]

Names within categories are not ordered.

Town of some degree; includes both town reads and town-leans
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Alison (If slaver then she's still not my enemy)
TonyStarkPrime
Spacedaisy
Long Con
Grogu
Chop Chop

Null
Jackofhearts2005
Marmot
Kylemii
Epignosis
Dom


Maybe Scum
Urist
MacDougall
Poison


I think this is a rough idea of where I am at.

Urist is top town for me

[Long Con]

So Urist cleared Grogu, is that right?

[Grogu]

So Urist cleared Grogu, is that right?

Idk. I cleared myself

[Long Con]

So Urist cleared Grogu, is that right?

Idk. I cleared myself

Can you go over that again in a quick post? For my multigaming mind.

[MartinGG99]

*Quotes from Mac and Epi ISO's*

Spoiler: show

Kyle appears to be obvious mafia.

Made is clearly mafia.

Epi is probably just mafia.

Dom is probably town.

Epi/Sloonei is t/w 150,000 percent

I still think Sloonei is likely just a hit which means Epi is probs town.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

you're just outed mafia at this point, there's no world in which you can have me as made or esooa's teammate

Jack
Rej
Epi
Sloonei
TSP

Fire torpedoes into this pile of humanity

TSP, LC, Jack, Kyle or something?

I still don't understand why there were 0 enclave voters on the chop wagon yesterday if chop is enclave.

Unless the entire enclave team decided to just vote Mac and hope nobody reads the vote count.

Made, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KZA
DaughterOfOmega

So you know that TSP, Nanook and KZA are not enclave how?

Also Made was voting there.

Or is it that you meant to say made wagon in which case

MartinGG99, Long Con, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, Sloonei, Marmot
Dom

So you know LC, Kyle, Jack, Mac, Marmot and Dom are not enclave how?

None of what you just said makes sense wot.

KZA is flipped town.

Nanook red checked a flipped enclave.

If ChopChop is enclave then TSP is not enclave because they've been fighting way too harshly to be buddies.

Look this is all kinda reasonable I guess

so that means TSP is mafia

TSP is seriously very mafia in this game though.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

What bothers me a fair bit is why Epi + Mac are voting the same guy (TSP) but kinda hate each other at the same time

like how does that happen

I think Mac's vote was made after Epi, and Epi hasn't come back since his vote. But Mac recently called Epi "outed mafia"

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

It also felt strange that out of all of the people in the world who could've joined me in voting TSP

it was Epi and Mac

like I wouldn't have imagined that

[MartinGG99]

Kina hoping to see if I glean anything from Marmot if he does make some sort of reads list or if not or what he does

Flipping Mac might help with that read in the future as well, but I'm not saying to info-yeet Mac because of it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Names within categories are not ordered.

Town of some degree; includes both town reads and town-leans
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Alison (If slaver then she's still not my enemy)
TonyStarkPrime
Spacedaisy
Long Con
Grogu
Chop Chop

Null
Jackofhearts2005
Marmot
Kylemii
Epignosis
Dom


Maybe Scum
Urist
MacDougall
Poison


I think this is a rough idea of where I am at.

Which scum team do you think he is

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

He being urist

[Long Con]

*Quotes from Mac and Epi ISO's*

Spoiler: show

Kyle appears to be obvious mafia.

Made is clearly mafia.

Epi is probably just mafia.

Dom is probably town.

Epi/Sloonei is t/w 150,000 percent

I still think Sloonei is likely just a hit which means Epi is probs town.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

you're just outed mafia at this point, there's no world in which you can have me as made or esooa's teammate

Jack
Rej
Epi
Sloonei
TSP

Fire torpedoes into this pile of humanity

TSP, LC, Jack, Kyle or something?

I still don't understand why there were 0 enclave voters on the chop wagon yesterday if chop is enclave.

Unless the entire enclave team decided to just vote Mac and hope nobody reads the vote count.

Made, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KZA
DaughterOfOmega

So you know that TSP, Nanook and KZA are not enclave how?

Also Made was voting there.

Or is it that you meant to say made wagon in which case

MartinGG99, Long Con, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, Sloonei, Marmot
Dom

So you know LC, Kyle, Jack, Mac, Marmot and Dom are not enclave how?

None of what you just said makes sense wot.

KZA is flipped town.

Nanook red checked a flipped enclave.

If ChopChop is enclave then TSP is not enclave because they've been fighting way too harshly to be buddies.

Look this is all kinda reasonable I guess

so that means TSP is mafia

TSP is seriously very mafia in this game though.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

What bothers me a fair bit is why Epi + Mac are voting the same guy (TSP) but kinda hate each other at the same time

like how does that happen

I think Mac's vote was made after Epi, and Epi hasn't come back since his vote. But Mac recently called Epi "outed mafia"

I could see how it can happen... maybe Epi thinks Joseph is bussing TSP, or vice-versa.

[MartinGG99]

He being urist

I have no clue. I haven't had more than 1 mafia team to deal with in my mafia career, though technically only one of them in this game is my enemy.

I just thought they were scummy and that's it. I can't really afford to be paranoid if they're VC or not unless they claim it in which case I'll consider not voting them if I see more prime suspects.

Chances are I may vote them anyways since one of my potential allies is an enemy of VC, and VC can accidentally kill towns with their limited night-kills.

[MartinGG99]

*Quotes from Mac and Epi ISO's*

Spoiler: show

Kyle appears to be obvious mafia.

Made is clearly mafia.

Epi is probably just mafia.

Dom is probably town.

Epi/Sloonei is t/w 150,000 percent

I still think Sloonei is likely just a hit which means Epi is probs town.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

you're just outed mafia at this point, there's no world in which you can have me as made or esooa's teammate

Jack
Rej
Epi
Sloonei
TSP

Fire torpedoes into this pile of humanity

TSP, LC, Jack, Kyle or something?

I still don't understand why there were 0 enclave voters on the chop wagon yesterday if chop is enclave.

Unless the entire enclave team decided to just vote Mac and hope nobody reads the vote count.

Made, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KZA
DaughterOfOmega

So you know that TSP, Nanook and KZA are not enclave how?

Also Made was voting there.

Or is it that you meant to say made wagon in which case

MartinGG99, Long Con, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, Sloonei, Marmot
Dom

So you know LC, Kyle, Jack, Mac, Marmot and Dom are not enclave how?

None of what you just said makes sense wot.

KZA is flipped town.

Nanook red checked a flipped enclave.

If ChopChop is enclave then TSP is not enclave because they've been fighting way too harshly to be buddies.

Look this is all kinda reasonable I guess

so that means TSP is mafia

TSP is seriously very mafia in this game though.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

What bothers me a fair bit is why Epi + Mac are voting the same guy (TSP) but kinda hate each other at the same time

like how does that happen

I think Mac's vote was made after Epi, and Epi hasn't come back since his vote. But Mac recently called Epi "outed mafia"

I could see how it can happen... maybe Epi thinks Joseph is bussing TSP, or vice-versa.

Maybe if Mac is town he'll reiterate that belief instead of being quiet about it?

He likes to push his scum-reads when they're actual, and when they're fake they're meant to test.

I don't see a town mac being quiet here, given my somewhat limited experience of having never seen a scum mac or a town mac live to late game.

[MacDougall]

*Quotes from Mac and Epi ISO's*

Spoiler: show

Kyle appears to be obvious mafia.

Made is clearly mafia.

Epi is probably just mafia.

Dom is probably town.

Epi/Sloonei is t/w 150,000 percent

I still think Sloonei is likely just a hit which means Epi is probs town.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

you're just outed mafia at this point, there's no world in which you can have me as made or esooa's teammate

Jack
Rej
Epi
Sloonei
TSP

Fire torpedoes into this pile of humanity

TSP, LC, Jack, Kyle or something?

I still don't understand why there were 0 enclave voters on the chop wagon yesterday if chop is enclave.

Unless the entire enclave team decided to just vote Mac and hope nobody reads the vote count.

Made, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KZA
DaughterOfOmega

So you know that TSP, Nanook and KZA are not enclave how?

Also Made was voting there.

Or is it that you meant to say made wagon in which case

MartinGG99, Long Con, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, Sloonei, Marmot
Dom

So you know LC, Kyle, Jack, Mac, Marmot and Dom are not enclave how?

None of what you just said makes sense wot.

KZA is flipped town.

Nanook red checked a flipped enclave.

If ChopChop is enclave then TSP is not enclave because they've been fighting way too harshly to be buddies.

Look this is all kinda reasonable I guess

so that means TSP is mafia

TSP is seriously very mafia in this game though.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

What bothers me a fair bit is why Epi + Mac are voting the same guy (TSP) but kinda hate each other at the same time

like how does that happen

I think Mac's vote was made after Epi, and Epi hasn't come back since his vote. But Mac recently called Epi "outed mafia"

This is a really poor way to find mafia friend. A really good way to find scummy town though. So if your objective is to hide behind what on the surface appears to be genuine reasons for suspicion but once peeled back are found to be NAI considerations, well good job.

[MartinGG99]

Like it also feels odd to think as town in general

"Hey scum are bussing I should be quiet about it instead of saying they're probably bussing"

Feels a bit impure. Heck there's chance for friendly fire if town thinks its scummy that one is taking advantage of a wolf flip to immediately press an issue rather than having raised that issue before.

[MacDougall]

I am voting for TSP because I think he is the most off meta player in the game.

I don't care about who else is voting there at the mid point of the day.

Epi can be town, can be mafia. If TSP is town and I am wrong on him then Epi being mafia is more likely.

I am not going to not push my top scum just because someone independent of that read that may or may not be scum but is drastically less likely to be in my view is voting there.

tl;dr get gud nerd.

[MacDougall]

if you flip me today over TSP or Chop it is going to reduce town's win percentage from around 45% to around <1% imo.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

He being urist

I have no clue. I haven't had more than 1 mafia team to deal with in my mafia career, though technically only one of them in this game is my enemy.

I just thought they were scummy and that's it. I can't really afford to be paranoid if they're VC or not unless they claim it in which case I'll consider not voting them if I see more prime suspects.

Chances are I may vote them anyways since one of my potential allies is an enemy of VC, and VC can accidentally kill towns with their limited night-kills.

Well they're pretty likely not aligned with made so that narrows the possibilities

[MacDougall]

I am also extremely unaligned to both Made and Esooa so...

[MartinGG99]

tl;dr get gud nerd.

Ironically, that's partially why I came to TS because apparently good players are here.

That's also the reason I have to be suspicious of them.

I'm not convinced you're town, though. Plain and simple, and maybe Alison will give me a point I really hadn't considered before since I trust their current instincts with regards to you.

[MacDougall]

People are more suspicious of me than usual because I am not overwhelming top poster. I get it.

But this is not unprecedented. I have gone large periods of my mafia life playing this way. It doesn't make me scum and it doesn't make my reads any worse either.

I just thousand posted as mafia. So if you have it in your mind that slanking is NAI for me then ya not gud.

[MartinGG99]

He being urist

I have no clue. I haven't had more than 1 mafia team to deal with in my mafia career, though technically only one of them in this game is my enemy.

I just thought they were scummy and that's it. I can't really afford to be paranoid if they're VC or not unless they claim it in which case I'll consider not voting them if I see more prime suspects.

Chances are I may vote them anyways since one of my potential allies is an enemy of VC, and VC can accidentally kill towns with their limited night-kills.

Well they're pretty likely not aligned with made so that narrows the possibilities

You presume I can be as certain about that as you :/

I have a personal policy that a person subbing into a slot underfire can create any spew they want and they will regardless of people's alignment. Made did put real effort into being there for that day, but he really didn't have to try to convince Urist that he's town. Instead, he started pushing him a decent bit.

Either because Urist is indeed a wolf and he knew it, and therefore was anti-spew, or he saw a scummy town and tried to anti-spew. Like, I don't see either realm being impossible, especially since I was the one who started the push initially.

[MartinGG99]

People are more suspicious of me than usual because I am not overwhelming top poster. I get it.

But this is not unprecedented. I have gone large periods of my mafia life playing this way. It doesn't make me scum and it doesn't make my reads any worse either.

I just thousand posted as mafia. So if you have it in your mind that slanking is NAI for me then ya not gud.

I never accused you of being scummy on the basis of activity.

Or at least I don't think so.

You have more posts than me after all.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

He being urist

I have no clue. I haven't had more than 1 mafia team to deal with in my mafia career, though technically only one of them in this game is my enemy.

I just thought they were scummy and that's it. I can't really afford to be paranoid if they're VC or not unless they claim it in which case I'll consider not voting them if I see more prime suspects.

Chances are I may vote them anyways since one of my potential allies is an enemy of VC, and VC can accidentally kill towns with their limited night-kills.

Well they're pretty likely not aligned with made so that narrows the possibilities

You presume I can be as certain about that as you :/

I have a personal policy that a person subbing into a slot underfire can create any spew they want and they will regardless of people's alignment. Made did put real effort into being there for that day, but he really didn't have to try to convince Urist that he's town. Instead, he started pushing him a decent bit.

Either because Urist is indeed a wolf and he knew it, and therefore was anti-spew, or he saw a scummy town and tried to anti-spew. Like, I don't see either realm being impossible, especially since I was the one who started the push initially.

They're unlikely to be aligned in large part because of his interactions with doom

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like the reason I was able to out doom is cause urist pushed them into a specific claim, and it taking made almost 24 hours to claim something else suggests that urist probably isn't aligned with that slot

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Thus urist is probably not enclave

[MartinGG99]

He being urist

I have no clue. I haven't had more than 1 mafia team to deal with in my mafia career, though technically only one of them in this game is my enemy.

I just thought they were scummy and that's it. I can't really afford to be paranoid if they're VC or not unless they claim it in which case I'll consider not voting them if I see more prime suspects.

Chances are I may vote them anyways since one of my potential allies is an enemy of VC, and VC can accidentally kill towns with their limited night-kills.

Well they're pretty likely not aligned with made so that narrows the possibilities

You presume I can be as certain about that as you :/

I have a personal policy that a person subbing into a slot underfire can create any spew they want and they will regardless of people's alignment. Made did put real effort into being there for that day, but he really didn't have to try to convince Urist that he's town. Instead, he started pushing him a decent bit.

Either because Urist is indeed a wolf and he knew it, and therefore was anti-spew, or he saw a scummy town and tried to anti-spew. Like, I don't see either realm being impossible, especially since I was the one who started the push initially.

They're unlikely to be aligned in large part because of his interactions with doom

Okay, maybe its better for understanding to put it this way: I don't think its likely that they're teamed. I just don't think its unlikely enough as to believe its impossible for them to not be teamed, or enough that I shouldn't be considering it.

Besides, I don't think we've caught a scum based on supposed Made/Doom spew yet? That doesn't just suddenly imply everyone who was apparently "not" "spewed" as scum is inherently town.

[MartinGG99]

scum is inherently not teamed with them.

ebwop

[MartinGG99]

Like the reason I was able to out doom is cause urist pushed them into a specific claim, and it taking made almost 24 hours to claim something else suggests that urist probably isn't aligned with that slot

I think its potentially faciliatory towards the fake claim, not outside of the realm of possibility. Besides, DOOM could've just gone off with early bread crumbs if they wanted for their fake claim without consulting the team much.

Not every scum plays optimally, after all.

[MartinGG99]

And yet sometimes scum like to interact with other scum, though generally that admittedly doesn't happen often.

[Gavial]

@ChopChop

what makes you TR Nanook

The way they went about the obv wolf slot.

Nothing else at all?

I just don’t think that is ever scum theatre.
Nanook could be Vault City but I don’t think they are ever Enclave.

So you didn't in any way meta, town-read, or scum read a guy you've been harassing until he finally got that you were Seththeking (A.k.a Dark Magician on my homesite)? You apparently even played video mafia with him.

Did that even influence your thoughts on the mech claim by him against DOOM?

What I'm saying is that I don't see much of that publicly

Oh no, I don’t even remember Nanook’s meta nor paid enough attention to it, to meta read them.

[Gavial]

I think Mac is scum but not enclave. So he gets a pass

Well there’s really only one other option.

[Gavial]

Since Alison is Slaver.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

He being urist

I have no clue. I haven't had more than 1 mafia team to deal with in my mafia career, though technically only one of them in this game is my enemy.

I just thought they were scummy and that's it. I can't really afford to be paranoid if they're VC or not unless they claim it in which case I'll consider not voting them if I see more prime suspects.

Chances are I may vote them anyways since one of my potential allies is an enemy of VC, and VC can accidentally kill towns with their limited night-kills.

Well they're pretty likely not aligned with made so that narrows the possibilities

You presume I can be as certain about that as you :/

I have a personal policy that a person subbing into a slot underfire can create any spew they want and they will regardless of people's alignment. Made did put real effort into being there for that day, but he really didn't have to try to convince Urist that he's town. Instead, he started pushing him a decent bit.

Either because Urist is indeed a wolf and he knew it, and therefore was anti-spew, or he saw a scummy town and tried to anti-spew. Like, I don't see either realm being impossible, especially since I was the one who started the push initially.

They're unlikely to be aligned in large part because of his interactions with doom

Okay, maybe its better for understanding to put it this way: I don't think its likely that they're teamed. I just don't think its unlikely enough as to believe its impossible for them to not be teamed, or enough that I shouldn't be considering it.

Besides, I don't think we've caught a scum based on supposed Made/Doom spew yet? That doesn't just suddenly imply everyone who was apparently "not" "spewed" as scum is inherently town.

They aren't "not spewed" they're explicitly spewed town


God i hate the word spewed

[Epignosis]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like the reason I was able to out doom is cause urist pushed them into a specific claim, and it taking made almost 24 hours to claim something else suggests that urist probably isn't aligned with that slot

I think its potentially faciliatory towards the fake claim, not outside of the realm of possibility. Besides, DOOM could've just gone off with early bread crumbs if they wanted for their fake claim without consulting the team much.

Not every scum plays optimally, after all.

Why are you being so dense

[Gavial]

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

For the moment. I'll be looking at other people.

TSP is back to probably being not-scum/town.

watch out if you say this chop might sr you

Oh hush now he was the reason your wagon picked up.

[Gavial]

[VOTE: poison] aubergine I think this is best course of action today.

Why TF you Sheeping a wolf?

[Gavial]

Names within categories are not ordered.

Town of some degree; includes both town reads and town-leans
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Alison (If slaver then she's still not my enemy)
TonyStarkPrime
Spacedaisy
Long Con
Grogu
Chop Chop

Null
Jackofhearts2005
Marmot
Kylemii
Epignosis
Dom


Maybe Scum
Urist
MacDougall
Poison


I think this is a rough idea of where I am at.

You know looking at that list there it jumps at me again.
Jack exists.
But no one cares.
They only cared Day 1.

[Gavial]

I guess Kyle also applies as they were the only one vote Tony with me last day and they haven’t received that much attention either but they weren’t a tied 3 way day 1 wagon and still remains untouched today.

[Gavial]

It also felt strange that out of all of the people in the world who could've joined me in voting TSP

it was Epi and Mac

like I wouldn't have imagined that

I mean Tbf, Epi did make me their dog companion.

[Urist]

Why would anyone consider spacedaisy town omg

[Epignosis]

[Epignosis]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What do you think chop can do that would confirm Alison? Lol