Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[MartinGG99]

also i townread martin's posts on day 0 and nobody can stop me

wut

now idk if I was summoned by the Mighty Coincidence or not

[c4e5g3d5]

cards on the table: i'm worried about foresight's defense of me being TMI

he seemed actively suspicious, if not enraged about the fact that i was refusing to out my reads in the early game

and even though a lot of the pressure i've faced today has revolved around that EXACT dynamic, foresight has written it off as "nothing" and downplayed the suspicion on me as being dumb

and like, it is dumb. but i don't know if foresight would organically think that given the reaction that he showed to my posts at the time - i do feel like it lacks a bit of internal consistency

I'm pretty sure you can find the exact moment my read switched if you ISO me. Dig that up if I don't first, lmk what you think when that happens.

[DaughterOfOmega]

It's going to take a lot for me to get into this game, we shall see how it goes

[MartinGG99]

okay so I am finally here

ready to fall on my face

Top 3 Town, Top 3 Scum.



GO!

Martin
Martin
Martin

Martin
Martin
Martin

not sure about the last two but definitely the first

though if the 2nd one is Enclave and the fourth one is NCR then I am at a loss for words

[falcon45ca]

oh it's day one cool

Which faction are you?

[falcon45ca]

okay so I am finally here

ready to fall on my face

Top 3 Town, Top 3 Scum.



GO!

Martin
Martin
Martin

Martin
Martin
Martin

not sure about the last two but definitely the first

though if the 2nd one is Enclave and the fourth one is NCR then I am at a loss for words

Alright, so Martin's being coached.

[KZA]

@staypositivefriend to clear something up I couldn't have been TMI'ing you since my issue was with the merit of Sloonei's case, not because it was on you specifically

[DaughterOfOmega]

oh it's day one cool

Which faction are you?

I see no benefit coming to me from others knowing this

[c4e5g3d5]

spf the thread is dead an hour and a half in, this isn't the time to play coy.

there's 26 people here - i'm definitely not concerned about the thread being dead. and i feel like being coy right now :P

The fact should make you even more concerned. We have 26 slots to sort, chop chop.

You may be feeling a bit of extra urgency if these phases are shorter than you're used to. This is a relatively slow start, but I'm not concerned about the pace. It's the weekend, we have four active games on this site right now, lots of people just don't seem to be here right now. They'll show up.

I couldn't care less about the people that aren't here. Someone is here and is actively choosing to keep the game slow.

i would argue that my choice to not immediately share my two early townleans is provoking more conversation than it would if i had chosen to share them immediately

i just dont feel a sense of urgency about this game, in all honesty. the majority of people not posting on a sunday does not concern me - there's still a lot of time

Okay fine it's not scummy anymore but it's still annoying af. The discussion it's provoking is one guy saying "spf bad". That's it.

Found it @staypositivefriend

[MartinGG99]

I've played this game for 11 years, and I've very very rarely see two readslist formatted so alike. Each person has their own unique way of formatting their readslist, like a personal signature, and the BK readslist and the foresight readslist were formatted identically. When two signatures from two different people are identical I start to think one is a forgery.

who in the world is foresight

[Sloonei]

I've played this game for 11 years, and I've very very rarely see two readslist formatted so alike. Each person has their own unique way of formatting their readslist, like a personal signature, and the BK readslist and the foresight readslist were formatted identically. When two signatures from two different people are identical I start to think one is a forgery.

who in the world is foresight

Clairvoyant Craig

[c4e5g3d5]

I've played this game for 11 years, and I've very very rarely see two readslist formatted so alike. Each person has their own unique way of formatting their readslist, like a personal signature, and the BK readslist and the foresight readslist were formatted identically. When two signatures from two different people are identical I start to think one is a forgery.

who in the world is foresight

Alright this is legit Martin doesn't have BTSC fite me

[TonyStarkPrime]

Scumreading Sloonei is a tactic for keeping him alive until d2 and is therefore NAI

scumreading sloonei is clearly AI

I don't like this post at all

Do I need to start marking all of my posts that ought not be taken seriously

[falcon45ca]

oh it's day one cool

Which faction are you?

I see no benefit coming to me from others knowing this

Think not of what your town can do for you, but rather what you can do for your town

[TonyStarkPrime]

If Urist is serious about the vault city post we should still chop LC I think

In what world does Urist's alleged level of seriousness equate to chopping me?

In the world of Urist's post

Perhaps you are confusing seriousness with prescience?

Uh no but let me explain in a different way:
If Urist means the things he says, he should come to the conclusion that we should chop LC

But that still doesn't mean that we should chop LC. It just means that you townread Urist.

No it means neither of those things.

[c4e5g3d5]

I've played this game for 11 years, and I've very very rarely see two readslist formatted so alike. Each person has their own unique way of formatting their readslist, like a personal signature, and the BK readslist and the foresight readslist were formatted identically. When two signatures from two different people are identical I start to think one is a forgery.

who in the world is foresight

Alright this is legit Martin doesn't have BTSC fite me

Don't make me ping the entire playerlist with this post when you wagon up Martin for some dumb reason.

[falcon45ca]

I've played this game for 11 years, and I've very very rarely see two readslist formatted so alike. Each person has their own unique way of formatting their readslist, like a personal signature, and the BK readslist and the foresight readslist were formatted identically. When two signatures from two different people are identical I start to think one is a forgery.

who in the world is foresight

Alright this is legit Martin doesn't have BTSC fite me

What in the sam hell is BTSC?


Kinda sounds like a sammich

[TonyStarkPrime]

If Urist is serious about the vault city post we should still chop LC I think

In what world does Urist's alleged level of seriousness equate to chopping me?

In the world of Urist's post

Perhaps you are confusing seriousness with prescience?

Uh no but let me explain in a different way:
If Urist means the things he says, he should come to the conclusion that we should chop LC

i don't think you understand the setup

No I don’t think /you/ understand the setup

[MartinGG99]

honestly BK dropping 3 beers consecutively on posts was maybe some secret role mechanic involving posts with emoticons

but then I realized this is fallout and not GoC

[TonyStarkPrime]

I've played this game for 11 years, and I've very very rarely see two readslist formatted so alike. Each person has their own unique way of formatting their readslist, like a personal signature, and the BK readslist and the foresight readslist were formatted identically. When two signatures from two different people are identical I start to think one is a forgery.

who in the world is foresight

Alright this is legit Martin doesn't have BTSC fite me

What in the sam hell is BTSC?


Kinda sounds like a sammich

Now this is a step too far

[c4e5g3d5]

I've played this game for 11 years, and I've very very rarely see two readslist formatted so alike. Each person has their own unique way of formatting their readslist, like a personal signature, and the BK readslist and the foresight readslist were formatted identically. When two signatures from two different people are identical I start to think one is a forgery.

who in the world is foresight

Alright this is legit Martin doesn't have BTSC fite me

What in the sam hell is BTSC?


Kinda sounds like a sammich

Behind The Scenes Communication

[c4e5g3d5]

I've played this game for 11 years, and I've very very rarely see two readslist formatted so alike. Each person has their own unique way of formatting their readslist, like a personal signature, and the BK readslist and the foresight readslist were formatted identically. When two signatures from two different people are identical I start to think one is a forgery.

who in the world is foresight

Alright this is legit Martin doesn't have BTSC fite me

What in the sam hell is BTSC?


Kinda sounds like a sammich

Now this is a step too far

And "Heehokun" wasn't?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I've played this game for 11 years, and I've very very rarely see two readslist formatted so alike. Each person has their own unique way of formatting their readslist, like a personal signature, and the BK readslist and the foresight readslist were formatted identically. When two signatures from two different people are identical I start to think one is a forgery.

who in the world is foresight

Alright this is legit Martin doesn't have BTSC fite me

What in the sam hell is BTSC?


Kinda sounds like a sammich

Now this is a step too far

And "Heehokun" wasn't?

What in tarnation is heehokun

[c4e5g3d5]

I've played this game for 11 years, and I've very very rarely see two readslist formatted so alike. Each person has their own unique way of formatting their readslist, like a personal signature, and the BK readslist and the foresight readslist were formatted identically. When two signatures from two different people are identical I start to think one is a forgery.

who in the world is foresight

Alright this is legit Martin doesn't have BTSC fite me

What in the sam hell is BTSC?


Kinda sounds like a sammich

Now this is a step too far

And "Heehokun" wasn't?

What in tarnation is heehokun

Nice to meet you.

[Urist]

If Urist is serious about the vault city post we should still chop LC I think

In what world does Urist's alleged level of seriousness equate to chopping me?

In the world of Urist's post

Perhaps you are confusing seriousness with prescience?

Uh no but let me explain in a different way:
If Urist means the things he says, he should come to the conclusion that we should chop LC

i don't think you understand the setup

No I don’t think /you/ understand the setup

No I don't think you understand the setup

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can we have an outside interpreter determine which of us understands the setup

[c4e5g3d5]

Can we have an outside interpreter determine which of us understands the setup

As an outside interpreter, I don't understand the setup.

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend to clear something up I couldn't have been TMI'ing you since my issue was with the merit of Sloonei's case, not because it was on you specifically

what's your read on me

[Sloonei]

I've played this game for 11 years, and I've very very rarely see two readslist formatted so alike. Each person has their own unique way of formatting their readslist, like a personal signature, and the BK readslist and the foresight readslist were formatted identically. When two signatures from two different people are identical I start to think one is a forgery.

who in the world is foresight

Alright this is legit Martin doesn't have BTSC fite me

What in the sam hell is BTSC?


Kinda sounds like a sammich

bacon tomato swiss cheese

[staypositivefriend]

there's 26 people here - i'm definitely not concerned about the thread being dead. and i feel like being coy right now :P

The fact should make you even more concerned. We have 26 slots to sort, chop chop.

You may be feeling a bit of extra urgency if these phases are shorter than you're used to. This is a relatively slow start, but I'm not concerned about the pace. It's the weekend, we have four active games on this site right now, lots of people just don't seem to be here right now. They'll show up.

I couldn't care less about the people that aren't here. Someone is here and is actively choosing to keep the game slow.

i would argue that my choice to not immediately share my two early townleans is provoking more conversation than it would if i had chosen to share them immediately

i just dont feel a sense of urgency about this game, in all honesty. the majority of people not posting on a sunday does not concern me - there's still a lot of time

Okay fine it's not scummy anymore but it's still annoying af. The discussion it's provoking is one guy saying "spf bad". That's it.

Found it @staypositivefriend

that's reasonable. makes me a little less worried

[Sloonei]

I don’t think there is a setup.

[Alison]

"martin doesn't have BTSC because he doesn't know who foresight is" is a bad read since I doubt the scum BTSC is filled with discussion about the etymology of foresight's name

however, martin has given me no cause for concern thus far, and seems fairly textbook town martin to me.

[falcon45ca]

I've played this game for 11 years, and I've very very rarely see two readslist formatted so alike. Each person has their own unique way of formatting their readslist, like a personal signature, and the BK readslist and the foresight readslist were formatted identically. When two signatures from two different people are identical I start to think one is a forgery.

who in the world is foresight

Alright this is legit Martin doesn't have BTSC fite me

What in the sam hell is BTSC?


Kinda sounds like a sammich

bacon tomato swiss cheese

Thats a solid sounding sammie

[Alison]

i think alison is considerably townier in this game than she was in bread mafia, btw. that's a huge part of my basis for my townlean on her

why am i townier?

bump

I am fairly aware of my own play and how townie/scummy it is and I don't think there's a marked jump in towniness

[KZA]

@staypositivefriend to clear something up I couldn't have been TMI'ing you since my issue was with the merit of Sloonei's case, not because it was on you specifically

what's your read on me

good enough

[falcon45ca]

i think alison is considerably townier in this game than she was in bread mafia, btw. that's a huge part of my basis for my townlean on her

why am i townier?

bump

I am fairly aware of my own play and how townie/scummy it is and I don't think there's a marked jump in towniness

Do you feel SPF is being false?

[c4e5g3d5]

"martin doesn't have BTSC because he doesn't know who foresight is" is a bad read since I doubt the scum BTSC is filled with discussion about the etymology of foresight's name

"Foresight" is the single most common nick I've gotten so far. Even if my earlier BTSC theory was pure tinfoil, my name sure came up in BTSC soon after. Way too many ways he would know, way too few ways he wouldn't.

[MartinGG99]

skimming the past few pages I've discovered no insights other than my god how many protracted conversations there seems to be about reads made a million years ago

I feel like Jack pings me in a good way though but if I'm wrong that's probably just me falling for the idea of something not in a protracted covo or topic

I'm unsure about Bo on the basis that it seems intentional for him to have done that to get attention to himself but I have no clue for what purpose that serves

his tone feels odd in a null way tbh and I feel like saying TWTBAW but then I don't want to call this towny (and reward it as such) behavior

other than that no comments

[Alison]

i think alison is considerably townier in this game than she was in bread mafia, btw. that's a huge part of my basis for my townlean on her

why am i townier?

bump

I am fairly aware of my own play and how townie/scummy it is and I don't think there's a marked jump in towniness

Do you feel SPF is being false?

that would depend on her explanation wouldn't it

[Alison]

"martin doesn't have BTSC because he doesn't know who foresight is" is a bad read since I doubt the scum BTSC is filled with discussion about the etymology of foresight's name

"Foresight" is the single most common nick I've gotten so far. Even if my earlier BTSC theory was pure tinfoil, my name sure came up in BTSC soon after. Way too many ways he would know, way too few ways he wouldn't.

I don't see why you're so certain about this

this is honestly a bullshit read and you're back to being just scum for trying to force narratives like this

[c4e5g3d5]

"martin doesn't have BTSC because he doesn't know who foresight is" is a bad read since I doubt the scum BTSC is filled with discussion about the etymology of foresight's name

"Foresight" is the single most common nick I've gotten so far. Even if my earlier BTSC theory was pure tinfoil, my name sure came up in BTSC soon after. Way too many ways he would know, way too few ways he wouldn't.

I don't see why you're so certain about this

this is honestly a bullshit read and you're back to being just scum for trying to force narratives like this

Bruh

Well, actually talking to you about this read will probably be aimless, but you should at least show me the scum motivation, and how this isn't purely a playstyle conflict.

[Alison]

the most obvious motivation is that you have TMI on martin being town and are trying to pocket him with a quick and strong townread

[KZA]

[VOTE: C4] aubergine

I haven't called you Foresight once and neither has half the game

[staypositivefriend]

i think alison is considerably townier in this game than she was in bread mafia, btw. that's a huge part of my basis for my townlean on her

why am i townier?

bump

I am fairly aware of my own play and how townie/scummy it is and I don't think there's a marked jump in towniness

oh i forgot to respond to this

it's actually a little bit hard to explain - the difference is really just in how methodical your analysis is

like for example, this is how you responded to me in bread mafia when i asked you for your read on me:

alison what made u go from scumleaning me to townreading me? the progression was pretty swift

I'm sorta null on you atm. My reason for scumreading you was that you seemed a little too quick to townread Dk even though you repped seeing them as a really scary scum player who you'd be paranoid to townread too easily. You had an okay response that shows you've put some thought into how scum!Dk would act here, which is congruent with seeing them as a strong scum player. So that soothes most of my concerns with your townread on Dk.

You haven't really stood out as town the way I know you can, but the biggest actual concern I had with you was satisfied, so I'm just nullish on you right now.

it's a fine post, but it's also very A to B to C. your intent was probably to get me off of your back

here's a post from you in this game where you described your read/opinion of me:

@Sloonei I think your points make sense and I like them

I wanna ask about something else now though which is, I'd rather move on from this at this point (which maybe is a bit selfish because I understand your point and don't need to talk about it more while others might) though, because I think it'd be better in the case spf is town to not push it for the next 28 hours we have, and still useful if she's mafia anyway

This is me saying I think SPF could be mafia but I also want to find her town, and if you wanna do the same our way to do that right now is drop the push until tonight imo

as I made this post like 5 other people said something similar which makes me uncomfortable, though

my take on SPF is that as much as she would like to pretend to be a tryhard player who brings energy to the game she's not-so-secretly in it for the fun of interacting with people she enjoys playing with, which is why her play amps up when she gets to play with hally tutuu etc., and because of this she routinely tries to engage the thread as a whole with high-effort stuff like reaction tests, asking for thoughts on X and minigames (GTH games, trust falls) as either alignment. I've seen similar patterns of behavior play out even when SPF is town where she does something "tryhard", doesn't seem to have the conviction to really fish for reactions or scum thinking behind it, and gets scumread for not contributing enough or not having authentic enough solving.

the upshot of all this is that I don't really see much of her play up until this point as being really powerfully indicative of alignment. it's just bread and butter SPF stuff. if mac or sloonei does a reaction test and there's no bite behind it then maybe someone's a wolf. but if SPF or tutuu does a reaction test and there's no bite behind it then they're just being their usual high energy high participation look at me selves.

in both cases, your stances are the same (SPF null), but the way you speak about the read is considerably different

in bread mafia, you were content to nullread me and then let me fall into the POE - that was the extent of the "solving" you did for my alignment, save for a few softball questions

in this game, you are content to nullread me, but your nullread comes with highly specific conditions (ie: "spf can be inno child in a couple of days", "spf is being pushed on for similar reasons to bread mafia"), and most importantly, your nullread on me is not the end of your attempts to solve me. i've noticed a similar dynamic with your reads in this game in general - they feel considerably more fluid and thoughtful, as vague as that might come off

i can expand on this further if you really want

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend to clear something up I couldn't have been TMI'ing you since my issue was with the merit of Sloonei's case, not because it was on you specifically

what's your read on me

good enough

nice

[c4e5g3d5]

the most obvious motivation is that you have TMI on martin being town and are trying to pocket him with a quick and strong townread

I mean, all the more reason to trust my read, but calling a guy an idiot is a shit way to pocket him.

[c4e5g3d5]

[VOTE: C4] aubergine

I haven't called you Foresight once and neither has half the game

The half that hasn't is slankers.

[Long Con]

boknows, a couple of things:

-can you explain your townread on me?

-can you explain your scumread on poison?

-can you explain your scumread on long con?

-how did you get enough confidence to make an entire reads list when your solving up until this point has been non-existent? why didn't you post any notes or thoughts inbetween you fillering and you outing that list of reads?

Yeah sure

Yourself: I like the questions you've been asking all game long. They aren't just wall questions that I would post if I'm a wolf but actually meaningful questions that can help us solve the game.
Poison: Very passive game from poison (I know the irony). I feel that there is no urgency to their game. It seems like Poison is just trying to post enough to not be labelled as a slacker but not going into depth in their posts.
Long: Long is giving me "drive-by" wolf vibes. They pop in make a quick comment, agree with a player and leave. LongCon isn't in a rush to make a rush difference it seems like.

I just made the list cause why not. I'm already sussed so what do I have to lose.

this looks like the exact same reasons for Poison and Long but one is a wolf cause of it one is a town

I'm sorry I scumread you back there. I take it back, this is nice and towny. [VOTE: C4] aubergine

[Long Con]

Damn, now I see that she misread Bo's post. Still towny though.

[Long Con]

cards on the table: i'm worried about foresight's defense of me being TMI

I think the same of Seefour's defense of Esooa.