Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Dom]

dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

I understand and am not communicating clearly.

I still don't get it.

[Urist]

to this post. Big yuck!
Maybe it's because I don't know this player, but posts like this scream "I am contributing SEE!" rather than "let us have consensus my fellow human beings."

i want that sweet sweet towncred when LC/Poison flip mafia so that i can coast the rest of the game

And I want your head on a pike.

I think u need to calm down

[staypositivefriend]

dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

I understand and am not communicating clearly.

I still don't get it.

what specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concern

[Dom]

to this post. Big yuck!
Maybe it's because I don't know this player, but posts like this scream "I am contributing SEE!" rather than "let us have consensus my fellow human beings."

i want that sweet sweet towncred when LC/Poison flip mafia so that i can coast the rest of the game

And I want your head on a pike.

I think u need to calm down

I think you need real content.
Let's pretend LC isn't in the game. Who are you looking at?

dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

I understand and am not communicating clearly.

I still don't get it.

what specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concern

What changed in your willingness to share your reads?

[staypositivefriend]

to this post. Big yuck!
Maybe it's because I don't know this player, but posts like this scream "I am contributing SEE!" rather than "let us have consensus my fellow human beings."

i want that sweet sweet towncred when LC/Poison flip mafia so that i can coast the rest of the game

And I want your head on a pike.

I think u need to calm down

I think you need real content.
Let's pretend LC isn't in the game. Who are you looking at?

dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

I understand and am not communicating clearly.

I still don't get it.

what specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concern

What changed in your willingness to share your reads?

i got the reactions that i wanted. it felt a little mean to continue hiding my reads when my refusal to out them had become a focal point of conversation, and when it was directly annoying someone that i had started townreading from it (foresight)

are you wolf that's piggybacking off of sloonei's argument

[Sloonei]

dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

I understand and am not communicating clearly.

I still don't get it.

what specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concern

It is a question I asked as well.

First, you teased the two town reads. Then you revealed that I was one of them. You also suggested that you’d been hesitant or unwilling to announce a town read on me just a few minutes earlier.

What happened in between that made you go from “I don’t want to reveal my town read on Sloonei” to “I better announce my town read on Sloonei”?

[Urist]

I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

[Sloonei]

I see you already answered the question.

Why were you satisfied with the pair of reactions you got from your two town reads? I don’t recall anyone other than c4 and myself “reacting” prior to your reveal of the reads.

[Sloonei]

I see you already answered the question.

Why were you satisfied with the pair of reactions you got from your two town reads? I don’t recall anyone other than c4 and myself “reacting” prior to your reveal of the reads.

@spf

[staypositivefriend]

dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

I understand and am not communicating clearly.

I still don't get it.

what specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concern

It is a question I asked as well.

First, you teased the two town reads. Then you revealed that I was one of them. You also suggested that you’d been hesitant or unwilling to announce a town read on me just a few minutes earlier.

What happened in between that made you go from “I don’t want to reveal my town read on Sloonei” to “I better announce my town read on Sloonei”?

the progression went like:

-i wanted to share that i had specific townreads, but i didn't want to state the names for a plurality of reasons

-i got a lot of reactions, discussions, and provocation from my choice to not share the names

-i decided to share the names

the focus on this specific progression on me is weirding me out a bit tbh, but i don't think it's inherently scummy. it just feels nitpicky

[Dom]

to this post. Big yuck!
Maybe it's because I don't know this player, but posts like this scream "I am contributing SEE!" rather than "let us have consensus my fellow human beings."

i want that sweet sweet towncred when LC/Poison flip mafia so that i can coast the rest of the game

And I want your head on a pike.

I think u need to calm down

I think you need real content.
Let's pretend LC isn't in the game. Who are you looking at?

dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

I understand and am not communicating clearly.

I still don't get it.

what specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concern

What changed in your willingness to share your reads?

i got the reactions that i wanted. it felt a little mean to continue hiding my reads when my refusal to out them had become a focal point of conversation, and when it was directly annoying someone that i had started townreading from it (foresight)

are you wolf that's piggybacking off of sloonei's argument

What reactions did you get and what did you learn from them? So this was a premeditated move?

Are we really gonna entertain this lazy no u?

[Urist]

Tbh it's a little distracting & hard to do much when c4 is outted to the extent that he is

[Esooa]

I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

[Urist]

I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

Vault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him

[Sloonei]

Tbh it's a little distracting & hard to do much when c4 is outted to the extent that he is

Feel free to clue us in whenever you get a sec.

[Esooa]

I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

Vault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him

lol I see

You're that confident on c4?

[Spacedaisy]

And Spacedaisy! Wow. What's the occasion. Are you all here to celebrate my glory?

I was intrigued by the faction setup. And also here to celebrate your glory.

let's be honest who here understands this game

Not me

]

Holy fuck are you forced to talk like this or something?

Anyway, ISO me and you should find it pretty quickly.

I did when I hit this post, and I like your look. Townlean.

Epi I love your gimmicks please never stop doing them I find them deeply entertaining

Agreed.

@staypositivefriend Sloon said the thing. Was it the right thing?

nah sadly, it was in the ballpark, but it wasn't The Thing

i actually do think his concerns are towny though

I do too, not because I think what he said was town, but rather because it's needlessly complicated. Unless this was an openly known thing between you two or in a previous game thread had been discussed, this makes Sloonei look town. No read on you though. I found that whole, "guess why these are my reads" thing kind of useless. It literally just made me skip over your reads. I frequently read people based on how they arrive at their reads, not just unexplained reads. So it did nothing for me either way. Also it looked to me like the only conversation it started was, "You tell me first," "No you tell me first," and I skipped most of that.

Like I think Esooa's scumread of LC is contrived and then the fact that they move from that to an associative scumread of Sloonei for townreading LC feels even more contrived

I feel this way too. Esooa basically was all serious and then pointed suspicion at LC for being serious (despite the fact LC had started the game making jokes about a Mason poly relationship)... um what?

Look at Dom, coming in hot! Welcome back!

Ok so... after all that I have a few impressions, and feel confused because they are sometimes conflicting, but I think that's the nature of this game because we have a shit ton of factions.

I'm leaning town on Epi, Sloonei, c4e, and Dom

slight mafia lean on Esooa and possibly LC.

I don't see anything really in the KZA stuff.

@Sloonei Are you still reading SPF bad?

[Urist]

I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

Vault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him

But also like, general reactions to the lc wagon look like those you'd expect of a town wagon, but like lc isn't town so he must be alt-scum

[Spacedaisy]

To be fair, I've never played with probably 75% of the players in this game, so I'm trying to keep in mind that I don't know how to read most of you all.

[Dom]

I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what

dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

I understand and am not communicating clearly.

I still don't get it.

what specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concern

It is a question I asked as well.

First, you teased the two town reads. Then you revealed that I was one of them. You also suggested that you’d been hesitant or unwilling to announce a town read on me just a few minutes earlier.

What happened in between that made you go from “I don’t want to reveal my town read on Sloonei” to “I better announce my town read on Sloonei”?

the progression went like:

-i wanted to share that i had specific townreads, but i didn't want to state the names for a plurality of reasons

-i got a lot of reactions, discussions, and provocation from my choice to not share the names

-i decided to share the names

the focus on this specific progression on me is weirding me out a bit tbh, but i don't think it's inherently scummy. it just feels nitpicky

Do you find it important that I apply pressure to an inconsistency I see to see someone's motivations?
Why are you concerned about being nitpicked?
Are you more concerned about being nitpicked than understood?

Tbh it's a little distracting & hard to do much when c4 is outted to the extent that he is

I live in a different reality than you folks.

[Esooa]

Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird

He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1

don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo

[Sloonei]

Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird

He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1

don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo

There is nothing that LC never is.

[Urist]

I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

Vault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him

lol I see

You're that confident on c4?

He was clearly incredibly anxious under the slightest bit of pressure, selfvoted and then quickly changed it to another "joke" vote, and is just saying generally silly maf-indicative things like "u accuse me but ur not voting me!!!1!"

[Sloonei]

@Spacedaisy yeah I still lean not good on spf. But it’s early Day 1.

[Esooa]

Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird

He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1

don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo

There is nothing that LC never is.

it's the impression I've gotten from playing 3 town games with him

Could be wrong but I don't think my interpretation is generally inaccurate

[staypositivefriend]

@Sloonei and @Dom -

i had early townleans on sloonei and foresight in the early game. i know that sloonei is a strong player regardless of his alignment, and i was reluctant to out an early townread on him for a number of reasons (not wanting to be wrong, feeling like outing a tr on a player like sloonei that i could not fully substantiate would draw heat on me). i had an early townlean on foresight as well, but since both of my townleans more or less boiled down to: "tone", it seemed smarter to me to imply that i had townreads without saying the specific names. this almost always get interesting and alignment-indicative reactions, like i've gone over several times in my ISO already

my choice to not out reads got some immediate and strong reactions - sloonei and foresight (ironically, my two townleans at the time) aggressively interrogated me about it, and foresight showed some sincere annoyance/anger at my refusal to name the specific names. both of these reactions strengthened the reads that i already had - i didn't think that foresight would carry a high level of internal frustration about me not outing my reads if he was playing from a scum mindset, and sloonei's questioning toward me was direct and aggressive while still carrying a broader depth of thought that i heavily associate with his towngame

those compounding factors (along w/the fact that foresight seemed genuinely annoyed) made me decide to bite the bullets and name the names. it was not intended to be a game-long reaction test that would get me a read on EVERY player here, but it helped me get a more confident townread on the two townleans i already had

i want this post to be a reference for any lingering questions you have about my early reads - i don't want to get caught up in defending myself against points that i've already expanded on, because my scumhunting will probably suffer as a result

[Esooa]

I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

Vault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him

lol I see

You're that confident on c4?

He was clearly incredibly anxious under the slightest bit of pressure, selfvoted and then quickly changed it to another "joke" vote, and is just saying generally silly maf-indicative things like "u accuse me but ur not voting me!!!1!"

I didn't even realize he self voted lol

lemme ISO him and see that

[Dom]

Daisy-- why bad on LC. I wavered on him. We've known him a very long time.

[Sloonei]

I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

Vault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him

lol I see

You're that confident on c4?

He was clearly incredibly anxious under the slightest bit of pressure, selfvoted and then quickly changed it to another "joke" vote, and is just saying generally silly maf-indicative things like "u accuse me but ur not voting me!!!1!"

I do not feel any of this is necessarily indicative of a big bad wolf.

[Urist]

Good for you then sloonz

[Sloonei]

Good for you then sloonz

Thank you, I’m proud of myself.

[staypositivefriend]

Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird

He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1

don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo

i've played one wolf game and one town game w/long con, and in both cases, he had a lot of apathy/detachment from the general gamestate

the difference in his play in this game is certainly stark, but i don't think that starkness is inherently alignment indicative. i actually quite like his tone even if it's distinct from how i've seen him play in the past

[Esooa]

I’m the only civilian in this game. Y’all can stop hiding.

Fuck
[VOTE: c4e5g3d5] aubergine

little bit of a weird meme but I don't think it was a response to pressure really

That being said he has a few off things in his ISO. Mostly, I disagree his response to SPF was towny. It felt overly emotional in a performative way, similar feeling I've gotten from a couple of his other posts. I've played with c4 a couple times but tbh never paid particular attention to him (lol at this because I do remember the most previous game he said people don't pay him much attention), so I'll probably read those some time to see if he's normally overly emotive but I don't remember him being so day 1?

Also didn't like the way he responded to my question of "if you care about thread discussion so much why didn't you ask me about my read;" he said it was obvious and he didn't need to question me about it, then said he thought the read I was talking about was on Falcon not KZA and to give him a sec, then never actually talked about it again

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Holy shit spacedaisy in this game

Hell yeah

[Dom]

Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird

He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1

don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo

I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

Vault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him

lol I see

You're that confident on c4?

He was clearly incredibly anxious under the slightest bit of pressure, selfvoted and then quickly changed it to another "joke" vote, and is just saying generally silly maf-indicative things like "u accuse me but ur not voting me!!!1!"

what

@Sloonei and @Dom -

i had early townleans on sloonei and foresight in the early game. i know that sloonei is a strong player regardless of his alignment, and i was reluctant to out an early townread on him for a number of reasons (not wanting to be wrong, feeling like outing a tr on a player like sloonei that i could not fully substantiate would draw heat on me). i had an early townlean on foresight as well, but since both of my townleans more or less boiled down to: "tone", it seemed smarter to me to imply that i had townreads without saying the specific names. this almost always get interesting and alignment-indicative reactions, like i've gone over several times in my ISO already

my choice to not out reads got some immediate and strong reactions - sloonei and foresight (ironically, my two townleans at the time) aggressively interrogated me about it, and foresight showed some sincere annoyance/anger at my refusal to name the specific names. both of these reactions strengthened the reads that i already had - i didn't think that foresight would carry a high level of internal frustration about me not outing my reads if he was playing from a scum mindset, and sloonei's questioning toward me was direct and aggressive while still carrying a broader depth of thought that i heavily associate with his towngame

those compounding factors (along w/the fact that foresight seemed genuinely annoyed) made me decide to bite the bullets and name the names. it was not intended to be a game-long reaction test that would get me a read on EVERY player here, but it helped me get a more confident townread on the two townleans i already had

i want this post to be a reference for any lingering questions you have about my early reads - i don't want to get caught up in defending myself against points that i've already expanded on, because my scumhunting will probably suffer as a result

OK- let me accept this for a moment.

Why so defensive about it? Can you explain why my prodding became an accusation you made?

[Spacedaisy]

For c4e, don't know how helpful it is:

Pros: I dunno
Cons: Takes me until mid game to really feel like I can start getting my feet under me, also the more people talk the more muddied my gut reads get, and I usually depend on my gut.
Gameplan: Try to keep up
Misc.: I don't shitpost much, and I don't stir up conversation. But I talk about stuff that jumps out at me.

[Spacedaisy]

Holy shit spacedaisy in this game

Hell yeah

Awe shucks

[Esooa]

im gay

You are my friend :3

??? At Dom's focus of me saying a positive thing about him when he did the same thing for the same reason here

@Dom does the fact you did similar things to my "buddying" change your mind about it at all? I saw you make friendly comments towards both myself and spf for saying this so I figured I'd return it

[Gavial]

to this post. Big yuck!
Maybe it's because I don't know this player, but posts like this scream "I am contributing SEE!" rather than "let us have consensus my fellow human beings."

i want that sweet sweet towncred when LC/Poison flip mafia so that i can coast the rest of the game

As a deep wolf?

[Spacedaisy]

Daisy-- why bad on LC. I wavered on him. We've known him a very long time.

I'm honestly a real slight bad lean, just because I have to agree that the one accusation really did look like a reach. I'd rather keep my eye on him than get too comfortable with him.

[Dom]

Good for you then sloonz

Are you always this lazy?

Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird

He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1

don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo

i've played one wolf game and one town game w/long con, and in both cases, he had a lot of apathy/detachment from the general gamestate

the difference in his play in this game is certainly stark, but i don't think that starkness is inherently alignment indicative. i actually quite like his tone even if it's distinct from how i've seen him play in the past

I haven't viewed lc as particularly serious this game.

[Gavial]

Hey Dom!
Your signature is too far!
Make it skinny!

[Gavial]

Fat*

[Dom]

im gay

You are my friend :3

??? At Dom's focus of me saying a positive thing about him when he did the same thing for the same reason here

@Dom does the fact you did similar things to my "buddying" change your mind about it at all? I saw you make friendly comments towards both myself and spf for saying this so I figured I'd return it

OK. Specific role based jokes threw me off there. This may be that we have very different backgrounds in this game.

Daisy-- why bad on LC. I wavered on him. We've known him a very long time.

I'm honestly a real slight bad lean, just because I have to agree that the one accusation really did look like a reach. I'd rather keep my eye on him than get too comfortable with him.

I agree on that.
Do you think his tone has been particularly serious?

[staypositivefriend]

@Sloonei and @Dom -

i had early townleans on sloonei and foresight in the early game. i know that sloonei is a strong player regardless of his alignment, and i was reluctant to out an early townread on him for a number of reasons (not wanting to be wrong, feeling like outing a tr on a player like sloonei that i could not fully substantiate would draw heat on me). i had an early townlean on foresight as well, but since both of my townleans more or less boiled down to: "tone", it seemed smarter to me to imply that i had townreads without saying the specific names. this almost always get interesting and alignment-indicative reactions, like i've gone over several times in my ISO already

my choice to not out reads got some immediate and strong reactions - sloonei and foresight (ironically, my two townleans at the time) aggressively interrogated me about it, and foresight showed some sincere annoyance/anger at my refusal to name the specific names. both of these reactions strengthened the reads that i already had - i didn't think that foresight would carry a high level of internal frustration about me not outing my reads if he was playing from a scum mindset, and sloonei's questioning toward me was direct and aggressive while still carrying a broader depth of thought that i heavily associate with his towngame

those compounding factors (along w/the fact that foresight seemed genuinely annoyed) made me decide to bite the bullets and name the names. it was not intended to be a game-long reaction test that would get me a read on EVERY player here, but it helped me get a more confident townread on the two townleans i already had

i want this post to be a reference for any lingering questions you have about my early reads - i don't want to get caught up in defending myself against points that i've already expanded on, because my scumhunting will probably suffer as a result

OK- let me accept this for a moment.

Why so defensive about it? Can you explain why my prodding became an accusation you made?

i've been a little defensive/cagey about it in the last page or so because i've felt that i've been answering the exact same questions for the last 7 pages. it's a point that feels so nitpicky and semantic to me, so for it to be a heavy focus for multiple people is a little bit grating, especially since i tend to get overly focused on the pressure on me in the early game (which tends to make the situation worse, lol)

i asked you that question because your progression toward me rubbed me the wrong way a little bit. you came into the thread with a piggyback of a suspicion that sloonei had already outed - but then you misunderstood the reasons for his suspicion, and then still doubled down even when you got corrected. when i paired that with the fact that i felt i had already gone into detail about that progression already, it made me concerned that your scumhunting was coming from a shallow place. it wasn't an actual scumread though - moreso just me getting pinged in the moment and wanting to see how you reacted to shade

[Urist]

I’m the only civilian in this game. Y’all can stop hiding.

Fuck
[VOTE: c4e5g3d5] aubergine

little bit of a weird meme but I don't think it was a response to pressure really

That being said he has a few off things in his ISO. Mostly, I disagree his response to SPF was towny. It felt overly emotional in a performative way, similar feeling I've gotten from a couple of his other posts. I've played with c4 a couple times but tbh never paid particular attention to him (lol at this because I do remember the most previous game he said people don't pay him much attention), so I'll probably read those some time to see if he's normally overly emotive but I don't remember him being so day 1?

Also didn't like the way he responded to my question of "if you care about thread discussion so much why didn't you ask me about my read;" he said it was obvious and he didn't need to question me about it, then said he thought the read I was talking about was on Falcon not KZA and to give him a sec, then never actually talked about it again

Ya i went back to reread and there was less pressure there than i remembered, just alison and kza throwing out maf reads. I still generally don't love self votes tho, they feel real "jajaja i am so unphazed by suspicion on me, i am treating it as a joke". The quick switch off himself and onto another joke vote felt off to me as well, like a distancing vote bc it felt like he felt the need to change it or something idk.

c4 reads like a bit of a spaz, not sure i would put much stock into how emotive his posts are, that is probably nai for him (altho i don't have meta there so)

[Sloonei]

c4 is town.

[Urist]

what

Do i need to use a larger font or smthg

[Dom]

Hey Dom!
Your signature is too far!
Make it skinny!

my signature was on trend when i was last active k
done :3

@Sloonei and @Dom -

i had early townleans on sloonei and foresight in the early game. i know that sloonei is a strong player regardless of his alignment, and i was reluctant to out an early townread on him for a number of reasons (not wanting to be wrong, feeling like outing a tr on a player like sloonei that i could not fully substantiate would draw heat on me). i had an early townlean on foresight as well, but since both of my townleans more or less boiled down to: "tone", it seemed smarter to me to imply that i had townreads without saying the specific names. this almost always get interesting and alignment-indicative reactions, like i've gone over several times in my ISO already

my choice to not out reads got some immediate and strong reactions - sloonei and foresight (ironically, my two townleans at the time) aggressively interrogated me about it, and foresight showed some sincere annoyance/anger at my refusal to name the specific names. both of these reactions strengthened the reads that i already had - i didn't think that foresight would carry a high level of internal frustration about me not outing my reads if he was playing from a scum mindset, and sloonei's questioning toward me was direct and aggressive while still carrying a broader depth of thought that i heavily associate with his towngame

those compounding factors (along w/the fact that foresight seemed genuinely annoyed) made me decide to bite the bullets and name the names. it was not intended to be a game-long reaction test that would get me a read on EVERY player here, but it helped me get a more confident townread on the two townleans i already had

i want this post to be a reference for any lingering questions you have about my early reads - i don't want to get caught up in defending myself against points that i've already expanded on, because my scumhunting will probably suffer as a result

OK- let me accept this for a moment.

Why so defensive about it? Can you explain why my prodding became an accusation you made?

i've been a little defensive/cagey about it in the last page or so because i've felt that i've been answering the exact same questions for the last 7 pages. it's a point that feels so nitpicky and semantic to me, so for it to be a heavy focus for multiple people is a little bit grating, especially since i tend to get overly focused on the pressure on me in the early game (which tends to make the situation worse, lol)

i asked you that question because your progression toward me rubbed me the wrong way a little bit. you came into the thread with a piggyback of a suspicion that sloonei had already outed - but then you misunderstood the reasons for his suspicion, and then still doubled down even when you got corrected. when i paired that with the fact that i felt i had already gone into detail about that progression already, it made me concerned that your scumhunting was coming from a shallow place. it wasn't an actual scumread though - moreso just me getting pinged in the moment and wanting to see how you reacted to shade

I was not actually misunderstanding. I was miscommunicating. I knew what sloonei meant. I just didn't express myself correctly. I stated this, however, very clearly.
Any reason you're trying to make this about me?

I’m the only civilian in this game. Y’all can stop hiding.

Fuck
[VOTE: c4e5g3d5] aubergine

little bit of a weird meme but I don't think it was a response to pressure really

That being said he has a few off things in his ISO. Mostly, I disagree his response to SPF was towny. It felt overly emotional in a performative way, similar feeling I've gotten from a couple of his other posts. I've played with c4 a couple times but tbh never paid particular attention to him (lol at this because I do remember the most previous game he said people don't pay him much attention), so I'll probably read those some time to see if he's normally overly emotive but I don't remember him being so day 1?

Also didn't like the way he responded to my question of "if you care about thread discussion so much why didn't you ask me about my read;" he said it was obvious and he didn't need to question me about it, then said he thought the read I was talking about was on Falcon not KZA and to give him a sec, then never actually talked about it again

Ya i went back to reread and there was less pressure there than i remembered, just alison and kza throwing out maf reads. I still generally don't love self votes tho, they feel real "jajaja i am so unphazed by suspicion on me, i am treating it as a joke". The quick switch off himself and onto another joke vote felt off to me as well, like a distancing vote bc it felt like he felt the need to change it or something idk.

c4 reads like a bit of a spaz, not sure i would put much stock into how emotive his posts are, that is probably nai for him (altho i don't have meta there so)

act i: spaghetti meet wall
act ii: spaghetti did not stick
act iii: back pedal

[staypositivefriend]

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