Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[TonyStarkPrime]

But the tonal shift thing is good and the sort of thing town would 100 percent be thinking about so idk. I didn't really notice that sort of thing from LC

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like I think Esooa's scumread of LC is contrived and then the fact that they move from that to an associative scumread of Sloonei for townreading LC feels even more contrived

[TonyStarkPrime]

If anything Sloonei is TMIing LC as town with something like that, you don't not like that townread and still think that LC is a wolf

[Epignosis]

[TonyStarkPrime]

hot take: KZA is Epi bait and this read from Epi is >rand town for Epi and conveys nothing about KZA

[KZA]

hot take: KZA is Epi bait and this read from Epi is >rand town for Epi and conveys nothing about KZA

pretty good take since I was Epi bait last game too

[Sloonei]

hot take: KZA is Epi bait and this read from Epi is >rand town for Epi and conveys nothing about KZA

pretty good take since I was Epi bait last game too

I think he raises a point worth addressing RE: your response to my spf suspicion.

[Epignosis]

[KZA]

hot take: KZA is Epi bait and this read from Epi is >rand town for Epi and conveys nothing about KZA

pretty good take since I was Epi bait last game too

I think he raises a point worth addressing RE: your response to my spf suspicion.

yeah so I thought your case was dumb but I realized others might not and it would be worth hearing SPF's response instead of continuing to pee on your shoes

that's why the shift

[Sloonei]

hot take: KZA is Epi bait and this read from Epi is >rand town for Epi and conveys nothing about KZA

pretty good take since I was Epi bait last game too

I think he raises a point worth addressing RE: your response to my spf suspicion.

yeah so I thought your case was dumb but I realized others might not and it would be worth hearing SPF's response instead of continuing to pee on your shoes

that's why the shift

Why did you vote for me?

[Sloonei]

I would never

[KZA]

hot take: KZA is Epi bait and this read from Epi is >rand town for Epi and conveys nothing about KZA

pretty good take since I was Epi bait last game too

I think he raises a point worth addressing RE: your response to my spf suspicion.

yeah so I thought your case was dumb but I realized others might not and it would be worth hearing SPF's response instead of continuing to pee on your shoes

that's why the shift

Why did you vote for me?

cuz I did

[Sloonei]

hot take: KZA is Epi bait and this read from Epi is >rand town for Epi and conveys nothing about KZA

pretty good take since I was Epi bait last game too

I think he raises a point worth addressing RE: your response to my spf suspicion.

yeah so I thought your case was dumb but I realized others might not and it would be worth hearing SPF's response instead of continuing to pee on your shoes

that's why the shift

Why did you vote for me?

cuz I did

What events in the thread precipitated your decision to select my name in the poll?

[KZA]

hot take: KZA is Epi bait and this read from Epi is >rand town for Epi and conveys nothing about KZA

pretty good take since I was Epi bait last game too

I think he raises a point worth addressing RE: your response to my spf suspicion.

yeah so I thought your case was dumb but I realized others might not and it would be worth hearing SPF's response instead of continuing to pee on your shoes

that's why the shift

Why did you vote for me?

cuz I did

What events in the thread precipitated your decision to select my name in the poll?

Ya

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: kza] aubergine then

[Epignosis]

[Sloonei]

I take no offense, EpiBoy!

[Gavial]

I'm town :cheers:

That’s not how you claim Mafia.

[Gavial]

This amazing work of art gets a TR.

[Epignosis]

[MacDougall]

...

Huh

[Dom]

Hi all-- I am catching up and hope to keep up throughout the game going forward. This school year has proven especially challenging for us teachers this year, so I will do my best. I'm glad to see new faces and some old friends. <3

Hey guys, metadiving is a huge PITA and so is figuring out whether NAI playstyle stuff is actually NAI playstyle stuff or not, so everyone gimme some playstyle cliffnotes. Here are mine.

Pros: Bunch o' stuff.
Cons: Can't brown nose for shit. Can't PR read for shit.
Gameplan: Make bad reads until I can make good reads.
Misc.: *deep inhale*

The shortest cycle length ever to be run on my home site was one 3/1 game, and most cycle lengths are things like 10/2 and 14/2, so TS cycles are definitely pretty fast for me. I've played a few 2/1 games on MU, so I can still keep up with reading for sure, and I can still make reads for sure, but don't expect me to highpost unless I really want to. For the same reason, I'm not so experienced with the live interaction side of this time format, which is something I'm hoping to learn more about.

My home site doesn't have pages, just long scrolls of posts, which actually makes wallposts easier to read than quintaposts n stuff. Wallposting is a habit I've been told to break on a couple of sites with actual pages. Will work on that.

Esooa is the only player here that I've played with before (I mean, who hasn't played with Esooa before at this point?), but I'm sorta familiar with spf's playstyle because I read G6. I'm also familiar with the playstyles of some other players here for reasons I can't talk about.

I feel icky about this. I have never liked when folks explain away n00bish behavior or cultural differences when it hasn't been a problem yet.

im gay

You are my friend :3

hey checking in
will come back later

be still my heart

All that talk of trying extra hard huh.

What is your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for on Day 1?

My experience is a bunch of games, most on AoPS, some on MU, and I'm looking for AI posts like a normal person.

What the fresh hell does this mean? Vague on vague on vague. I am not entertained.
[VOTE: C4] aubergine

[Epignosis]

[Dom]

I'm gay

no me

sloonei is mafia

I'm not seeing this, but it could become clear as I catch up.

Now, when I voted at the end of my last post, I got to see the votes. I was surprised to see votes on Long Con, tbh. Then, I saw these two, spoilered below.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: c4e5g3d5] aubergine

Poison & Long Con are mafia as well.
TSP is a maybe

why are poison & long con mafia

Their posts are bad.
I guess you agree on c4 since you didn't ask about that one

I think you should look again, mine are all 100% pure town. Wine from the towny vine, and steaks from purebred town cows, raised in Town.

sloonei is mafia

No, I don't believe he is.

I owe someone a thing. I was going to do this before eod0 but then I fell asleep. The best laid plans...

pros: limited
cons: f3 thrower
gameplan: sheep smart people then make a passionate case on d3 and get a townie chopped

Wait you are still alive? Aren't you supposed to get lynched the moment you say mafia or "maphia"

after that game three people tried it in other games and it didn't work so well for them

Sounds like a threat.

And I just look at these tonally as a potential LC as baddie vibe. I'll be looking for this as I continue my reading tonight

[Esooa]

claiming mason with the mayor of gaytown person

[Dom]

Holy crap @Dom is playing. Welcome back.

You think the people stan you?
Sis, you got some bad news coming now that I'm back in town.

I kinda regret this

Why, did you rand scum?

I prefer scum homie

she's not lying

kza town read is cause of this post where he very casually gave information to defend me

towny because he felt prompted to say something in it without a clear motive

so I figure the motive is a genuine want for discussion

Which discussion? Whether you prefer scum roles or not? It's towny to want to delve deeper into that? Was he even doing that?? His comment sounds quite offhanded to me, not indicative of "genuine want for discussion" or an opposition to it. Are you sure this is a real read?

yes, the discussion is relating to my alignment, or you know, solving. And the off handed nature of it is why it's genuine. He did it because he wanted to. He didn't have any clear goal with his read

Now you seem to be contradicting yourself.

How can he display a motive of genuine want for discussion and also have no clear goal with his read?

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine You're being fishy.

this post is yucky!

Mac is stealing my reads tho what do i do

to this post. Big yuck!
Maybe it's because I don't know this player, but posts like this scream "I am contributing SEE!" rather than "let us have consensus my fellow human beings."

lc can you talk about your approach to this game?

I'd do better if you ask more specific questions. Self-analysis is not a strength of mine.

People who have known my Elsie as long as I have: how did we feel about this post?
It feels like an exact medium of what I expect LC to post. I can't tell how I feel.

dislike lc so far

As a person or as an alignment?

I think you're pretty cool but the seriousness you're expressing at the start of the first day is making me question you

Interesting. This is not what I've gotten from Elsie at all.

[Urist]

to this post. Big yuck!
Maybe it's because I don't know this player, but posts like this scream "I am contributing SEE!" rather than "let us have consensus my fellow human beings."

i want that sweet sweet towncred when LC/Poison flip mafia so that i can coast the rest of the game

[KZA]

Dom seems good

Epi I cant "backtrack" when I was under 0 pressure. I had no reason to pull back if I'm a wolf

Sloonei I dont know what to tell you, I throw my vote around based on mood

[Long Con]

to this post. Big yuck!
Maybe it's because I don't know this player, but posts like this scream "I am contributing SEE!" rather than "let us have consensus my fellow human beings."

i want that sweet sweet towncred when LC/Poison flip mafia so that i can coast the rest of the game

[Dom]

LC remains town.

how

- No player will ever change from one alignment or faction to another.

I missed you, Sloonei. :3

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

^ This guy ain't towny, I think we can all agree.

LC and I do agree on something, though.

spf is mafia, why does everyone stop talking whenever i bring this up?

Because you give us nothing to talk about.

A BIG OLD LINK TO NOTHING

Sloonei, I'm interested in this take. Specifically, I am befuddled with the thirty minute changeover you point out. I'll be looking for any sort of rationale as I continue my read.

[Epignosis]

[Sloonei]

Dom seems good

Epi I cant "backtrack" when I was under 0 pressure. I had no reason to pull back if I'm a wolf

Sloonei I dont know what to tell you, I throw my vote around based on mood

What events dictated your mood in such a way that you felt compelled to vote for me? And if I ask you to reflect on that mood swing, could you guess why it occurred?

[Sloonei]

@ dom

[Dom]

Can I say that the best thing to happen in my absence is the new multi-quote feature?

Because you give us nothing to talk about.

A BIG OLD LINK TO NOTHING

I disagree with the post

Oh

is spf doing this something you think she would need to cognizantly replicate or just something she would do unintentionally?

I don't know. She could do it unintentionally, semi-intentionally, or fully intentionally.

My concern is twofold: A) it is something she has seen me do and earn town credit for in a high profile spot.
B) I do not feel like there was an organic reason for her to utilize that play at that moment.

well I'd argue two things

if spf is aware of you and minor facets of your playstyle to the degree she unintentionally replicates it, it's likely she would do the same as town too

and if it's something spf would need to consciously replicate, well I just don't think spf is someone who considers the player list and get play to that extent as scum because:

I believe she intends to not high effort this game

jess doesn't actively plan out what to do as scum

I assume spf is Jess.
Do you think baddies usually plan every single action out as a massive manipulation tactic? If you really think this, I have news for you.

let's be honest who here understands this game

This is super towny in a way that I might articulate after a good night's sleep but that you guys can probably vaguely see the angle behind.

These two... they on a team together or something? This weird.

Holy fuck are you forced to talk like this or something?

Anyway, ISO me and you should find it pretty quickly.

"Hopefully they'll answer my question"
"no ( : <3"

I'm not reading any of these

Why not?

Because that makes is very easy to avoid someone who could absolutely wreck them.

[Dom]

two primary reasons:

1. cloaking my townreads in ambiguity almost always gets interesting and telling interactions out of people. in this case, i think that foresight's intense amount of stress that only grew larger as i refused to directly answer his question is likely to come from a town indicative place. his irritation felt completely authentic- i honestly don't think that foresight would care that much at all if he was playing from a scum mindset

2. one of my early townleans was on you, but i felt uncomfortable outing that early into the game for a number of reasons. (partially out of the vanity of not wanting to be wrong). the other was on foresight

My concern, as TSP alludes to, is that spf's secret town reads maneuver is something I do often, and notably did in the Champs Finale to the frustration of about half the roster. Part of me feels like spf is mirroring my town meta here, maybe unconsciously, as a way to earn my trust.

We have played... three? games together. Two were in the Champs setting (both town/town), and more recently we were scum partners in Grasslands here on The Syndicate. When we've been town together, we were both distinctly aware of one another (I think. I was aware of her, at least) because our playstyles are similar. I would expect a mafia staypositivefriend to be hyper aware of my perception of her in this game, in what would be the first game we've ever been aligned opposite each other. So kicking the game off by doing a combative thing that Town Sloonei does for attention would be a viable way to do that.

Except, like Foresight says, there really wasn't much call for that play here. When I did it in Champs, the thread was moving at a breakneck pace, but I felt it was lacking traction. I did it to slow things down and get people to focus on particular issues. This thread was not moving at a fast pace when spf dropped her post. If anything, it needed more spiciness.

I'm also unclear why she was hesitant to declare a town read on me a half hour ago, but is comfortable doing so now.

the thing is - i do the "I Have Secret Reads That I'm Not Gonna Share Yet" is a maneuver that i do very commonly as either alignment

i did it in grasslands when we were teamed together, i did it in the rock falls invitational game when i was town, and i even did it multiple times in champs. it's just a style of scumhunting/provoking discussion that i really like doing, and i think it's a mistake to assume that this tactic that i do incredibly often of my own accord is something that i'm doing to appeal specifically to ~you~. truthfully, i didn't even associate that tactic with your playstyle at all

i would probably be incredibly aware about your perception of me if i rolled mafia against you, but your analysis implies a depth of thought that i haven't actually put into my posts so far.

my choice to withhold my reads provoked a lengthy discussion that we are still discussing right now 5 pages later - do you not agree that this might be more valuable than if i had simply said: "i townlean foresight and sloonei' and left it at that?

do not trust !

@sloonei -

thoughts on alison?

a player salad if you picked out all the tomatoes

[Sloonei]

Mayor of Domtown

[Dom]

Like I think Esooa's scumread of LC is contrived and then the fact that they move from that to an associative scumread of Sloonei for townreading LC feels even more contrived

I have shifted my views of LC as I have continued to read. His tone has changed. I agree that Esoooa is either tunnelling or has a motive.

The only shitty thing about your posts like this is that I may forget what you said and can't see it as I type my response.

claiming mason with the mayor of gaytown person

what does this mean again? Is it that he has btsc with me or something
as mayor of gaytown, i decline to be involved in this narrative.

to this post. Big yuck!
Maybe it's because I don't know this player, but posts like this scream "I am contributing SEE!" rather than "let us have consensus my fellow human beings."

i want that sweet sweet towncred when LC/Poison flip mafia so that i can coast the rest of the game

And I want your head on a pike.

This is exactly why I'm going to
[VOTE: spf] aubergine
I don't feel like I have an understanding of why they changed their mind so quickly unless they felt pressure to.

[Dom]

I am caught up.

anyone wanna talk before i go to bed?

[Dom]

I'm not quite sure I understand this KZA business.

[Sloonei]

I'm not quite sure I understand this KZA business.

My vote is 100% a product of annoyance. I wanted him to say things.

I like your vote where it is for now.

[Dom]

I'm not quite sure I understand this KZA business.

My vote is 100% a product of annoyance. I wanted him to say things.

I like your vote where it is for now.

What do you think of urist?
Esooa's buddying?

[Sloonei]

I'm not quite sure I understand this KZA business.

My vote is 100% a product of annoyance. I wanted him to say things.

I like your vote where it is for now.

What do you think of urist?
Esooa's buddying?

I think I have disagreed with every read Urist has put into the thread, but that’s not something I’ll judge their alignment of off just yet. I have never played with them before.

I think I would lean town on Esooa right now. I don’t know about the buddying you speak of, but she felt good in our long back-and-forth earlier.

[staypositivefriend]

dom, what did i change my mind about?

[Dom]

I'm not quite sure I understand this KZA business.

My vote is 100% a product of annoyance. I wanted him to say things.

I like your vote where it is for now.

What do you think of urist?
Esooa's buddying?

I think I have disagreed with every read Urist has put into the thread, but that’s not something I’ll judge their alignment of off just yet. I have never played with them before.

I think I would lean town on Esooa right now. I don’t know about the buddying you speak of, but she felt good in our long back-and-forth earlier.

I meant buddying of me, but if you didn't see it maybe I'm unfamiliar with this player.

[Dom]

dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

[Sloonei]

I'm not quite sure I understand this KZA business.

My vote is 100% a product of annoyance. I wanted him to say things.

I like your vote where it is for now.

What do you think of urist?
Esooa's buddying?

I think I have disagreed with every read Urist has put into the thread, but that’s not something I’ll judge their alignment of off just yet. I have never played with them before.

I think I would lean town on Esooa right now. I don’t know about the buddying you speak of, but she felt good in our long back-and-forth earlier.

I meant buddying of me, but if you didn't see it maybe I'm unfamiliar with this player.

That’s kind of just a new trend along the new school of players. Find someone who brings good energy to the thread and sheep them. I don’t read anything into it yet.

[staypositivefriend]

dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

i didn't....?

[Sloonei]

dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

[Dom]

I'm not quite sure I understand this KZA business.

My vote is 100% a product of annoyance. I wanted him to say things.

I like your vote where it is for now.

What do you think of urist?
Esooa's buddying?

I think I have disagreed with every read Urist has put into the thread, but that’s not something I’ll judge their alignment of off just yet. I have never played with them before.

I think I would lean town on Esooa right now. I don’t know about the buddying you speak of, but she felt good in our long back-and-forth earlier.

I meant buddying of me, but if you didn't see it maybe I'm unfamiliar with this player.

That’s kind of just a new trend along the new school of players. Find someone who brings good energy to the thread and sheep them. I don’t read anything into it yet.

Well it makes me deeply uncomfortable.

[Esooa]

im gay

You are my friend :3

??? At Dom's focus of me saying a positive thing about him when he did the same thing for the same reason here