Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Master Radishes]

A third general observation:

Of the parameters we can be sure of (the three scum, the dead town, a couple mech things) I do not see any Grand Wolf Agenda that people always fear exists. I see wolves who were individually working to slide by as best they could. Cat was just trying to fend off some early suss without implicating teammates. Marmot was being opportunistic in all his pushes rather than powerwolfing. Nanook was doing jack and showed no inclination to get more involved to start dictating events. Both those latter two are capable of being manipulative wolves and were not doing it. Their flipped powers were weak and were clearly not being used to further any specific agenda either.

Conversely, the dead townies were active, pushy, and correct. The wolves were being boxed out and were picking it off the Big Scary Towny Leaders as they saw them.

This suggests the wolf team that remains is not in control of this game. The town is.

Agree/disagree?

Agree, but in this line of talk, if we are wrong on who's in control, who's the deepwolf?

I don't believe we need to discuss that yet. I don't think we should let ourselves overthink things. Plus it's all WIFOM dependent at this point.

[Long Con]

A third general observation:

Of the parameters we can be sure of (the three scum, the dead town, a couple mech things) I do not see any Grand Wolf Agenda that people always fear exists. I see wolves who were individually working to slide by as best they could. Cat was just trying to fend off some early suss without implicating teammates. Marmot was being opportunistic in all his pushes rather than powerwolfing. Nanook was doing jack and showed no inclination to get more involved to start dictating events. Both those latter two are capable of being manipulative wolves and were not doing it. Their flipped powers were weak and were clearly not being used to further any specific agenda either.

Conversely, the dead townies were active, pushy, and correct. The wolves were being boxed out and were picking it off the Big Scary Towny Leaders as they saw them.

This suggests the wolf team that remains is not in control of this game. The town is.

Agree/disagree?

Agree, but in this line of talk, if we are wrong on who's in control, who's the deepwolf?

...it’s Sloonei

Yeah.

[Made]

I don’t think a universal wagon is bad here. It might just mean we missed as a group. It happens

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think Dizzy should be lower than where he is in MR's POE

His category placement is because he has claimed a protect on nutella and this might verify Martin's claim.

Also he's just sorta townie when he does come along to post.

not sure on martin's claim (as in I have no clue what it is) but I sorta doubt that's a stable reason

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sloonei also isn't in control though

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don't even think Sloonei would be categorized as a deepwolf. A deepwolf would be like Made

[Master Radishes]

I think at least one wolf has finangled into a mechcleary spot by now

Experience says you're probably right. But I will continue to be the voice that says 'let's not worry about it yet'.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Or LC or Tim

[Master Radishes]

A third general observation:

Of the parameters we can be sure of (the three scum, the dead town, a couple mech things) I do not see any Grand Wolf Agenda that people always fear exists. I see wolves who were individually working to slide by as best they could. Cat was just trying to fend off some early suss without implicating teammates. Marmot was being opportunistic in all his pushes rather than powerwolfing. Nanook was doing jack and showed no inclination to get more involved to start dictating events. Both those latter two are capable of being manipulative wolves and were not doing it. Their flipped powers were weak and were clearly not being used to further any specific agenda either.

Conversely, the dead townies were active, pushy, and correct. The wolves were being boxed out and were picking it off the Big Scary Towny Leaders as they saw them.

This suggests the wolf team that remains is not in control of this game. The town is.

Agree/disagree?

Agree, but in this line of talk, if we are wrong on who's in control, who's the deepwolf?

...it’s Sloonei

Yeah.

Also yeah.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think at least one wolf has finangled into a mechcleary spot by now

Experience says you're probably right. But I will continue to be the voice that says 'let's not worry about it yet'.

100 percent

[Kylemii]

hmu if u wanna get robbed

[Master Radishes]

I think at least one wolf has finangled into a mechcleary spot by now

Experience says you're probably right. But I will continue to be the voice that says 'let's not worry about it yet'.

Clarification - not necessarily the mechcleary group. But somewhere higher up the list, sure, someone has possibly escaped.

[Syn]

hmu if u wanna get robbed

rob alison lel

[Kylemii]

hmu if u wanna get robbed

rob alison lel

omfg

[Justplayingitcool]

I think at least one wolf has finangled into a mechcleary spot by now

Who do you think that would be? I guess LC?

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Or Jack

[Long Con]

Hey, I have a question that I have asked before, but I don't think it was answered. The wolves likely know my role. Should I share it? It's not particularly clearing, but it's provable.

[Syn]

Hey, I have a question that I have asked before, but I don't think it was answered. The wolves likely know my role. Should I share it? It's not particularly clearing, but it's provable.

why would they know your role

i mean you have Alison's tracker (in theory) so they know that

[Made]

Hey, I have a question that I have asked before, but I don't think it was answered. The wolves likely know my role. Should I share it? It's not particularly clearing, but it's provable.

No just in case soup type mechanic is 3p

[Master Radishes]

General observation number four:

I feel like this round, for the first time, we are coming together as a group. Our reads and PoEs are swirling into a nebulous consensus, with a natural amount of variants and disagreements. This is both a good sign, and potentially a dangerous one due to intertia. Let's not be afraid to challenge assumptions, but always with the understanding we are prodding the fringes for holes in an effort to find any leaks.

I may have mixed up some metaphors there.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think at least one wolf has finangled into a mechcleary spot by now

Who do you think that would be? I guess LC?

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Or Jack

since I thought nutella was the deep wolf...

[Long Con]

Hey, I have a question that I have asked before, but I don't think it was answered. The wolves likely know my role. Should I share it? It's not particularly clearing, but it's provable.

why would they know your role

i mean you have Alison's tracker (in theory) so they know that

They beat me in Tetris.

[Kylemii]

Tony or Wilgy, or Hollowkatt or.... Radishes? those are the main options?

[TonyStarkPrime]

my power is not interesting and you do not want it and if you do get it use it on me

[Master Radishes]

Hey, I have a question that I have asked before, but I don't think it was answered. The wolves likely know my role. Should I share it? It's not particularly clearing, but it's provable.

why would they know your role

i mean you have Alison's tracker (in theory) so they know that

They beat me in Tetris.

This is true.

[Justplayingitcool]

Tony or Wilgy, or Hollowkatt or.... Radishes? those are the main options?

Not Radishes or tony imo

[DrWilgy]

I don't even think Sloonei would be categorized as a deepwolf. A deepwolf would be like Made

I agree with this

[Sloonei]

I think the wolves are running this game at this point, but it's still early and we got those early scores so I'm not gonna fight it. Town will take a couple punches in the mouth and then wake up.

Three dead wolves in three days does not scream “wolves are in charge” to me.

[Master Radishes]

My deepwolf is Michelle atm, if she counts. (I know she's getting some attention now, but she was coasting clear up until recently.)

[Long Con]

Hey, I have a question that I have asked before, but I don't think it was answered. The wolves likely know my role. Should I share it? It's not particularly clearing, but it's provable.

No just in case soup type mechanic is 3p

I already signed up for the big surprise kill when I accepted the Gambit Demon deal.

[DrWilgy]

Hey, I have a question that I have asked before, but I don't think it was answered. The wolves likely know my role. Should I share it? It's not particularly clearing, but it's provable.

why would they know your role

i mean you have Alison's tracker (in theory) so they know that

Alright, but more importantly, did you ever say why you wanted to yeet me?

[Long Con]

My deepwolf is Michelle atm, if she counts. (I know she's getting some attention now, but she was coasting clear up until recently.)

That's believable as well.

[Master Radishes]

I actually don't see any reason LC can't claim. Scum stole his role and know it.

But we also don't *need* to know, so idk and idc.

[Kylemii]

if hollowkatt is telling the truth about having a passive then I can't borrow anything from them

[Long Con]

Hey, I have a question that I have asked before, but I don't think it was answered. The wolves likely know my role. Should I share it? It's not particularly clearing, but it's provable.

why would they know your role

i mean you have Alison's tracker (in theory) so they know that

Alright, but more importantly, did you ever say why you wanted to yeet me?

You voting me for ill-defined reasons and seemingly disregarding the various mild clears I have made me say "why is this guy not on the yeet list?"

[Timsup2nothin]

I think the wolves are running this game at this point, but it's still early and we got those early scores so I'm not gonna fight it. Town will take a couple punches in the mouth and then wake up.

Three dead wolves in three days does not scream “wolves are in charge” to me.

Is there something about "at this point" that wasn't clear?

[DrWilgy]

if hollowkatt is telling the truth about having a passive then I can't borrow anything from them

Could you borrow from me and target me with my own power? That'd be neat.

[Justplayingitcool]

if hollowkatt is telling the truth about having a passive then I can't borrow anything from them

Then wilgy then, but getting confirmation about HK's passive is not the worse thing

[Justplayingitcool]

I think the wolves are running this game at this point, but it's still early and we got those early scores so I'm not gonna fight it. Town will take a couple punches in the mouth and then wake up.

Three dead wolves in three days does not scream “wolves are in charge” to me.

Is there something about "at this point" that wasn't clear?

Who are the wolves from your PoV

[Made]

While we’re decorating the thread in tinfoil, is there any world where gambit demon changed alignments from neutral to scum?

[Master Radishes]

I think the wolves are running this game at this point, but it's still early and we got those early scores so I'm not gonna fight it. Town will take a couple punches in the mouth and then wake up.

Three dead wolves in three days does not scream “wolves are in charge” to me.

Is there something about "at this point" that wasn't clear?

All of it?

Who are the wolves running the show at this point?

[Michelle]

My deepwolf is Michelle atm, if she counts. (I know she's getting some attention now, but she was coasting clear up until recently.)

[Syn]

Hey, I have a question that I have asked before, but I don't think it was answered. The wolves likely know my role. Should I share it? It's not particularly clearing, but it's provable.

why would they know your role

i mean you have Alison's tracker (in theory) so they know that

Alright, but more importantly, did you ever say why you wanted to yeet me?

you mentioned not reading past d2 so I'd need to go reread that ISO to answer you

[DrWilgy]

Lets yeet Michelle.

[Master Radishes]

While we’re decorating the thread in tinfoil, is there any world where gambit demon changed alignments from neutral to scum?

I doubt it. Again, based on known roles and everything, I think Epi designed this game to need to be solved by old-fashioned methods. I don't think there are any Gamechanging Power Roles present.

Like even the cop role was different.

[Kylemii]

if hollowkatt is telling the truth about having a passive then I can't borrow anything from them

Then wilgy then, but getting confirmation about HK's passive is not the worse thing

I just don't think I'd be told anything with HK is the thing. I mean if I vote there and I'm told to target someone with like.... a tool for crime then that's another ball of spaghetti

[DrWilgy]

Hey, I have a question that I have asked before, but I don't think it was answered. The wolves likely know my role. Should I share it? It's not particularly clearing, but it's provable.

why would they know your role

i mean you have Alison's tracker (in theory) so they know that

Alright, but more importantly, did you ever say why you wanted to yeet me?

you mentioned not reading past d2 so I'd need to go reread that ISO to answer you

*blam*

[Kylemii]

if hollowkatt is telling the truth about having a passive then I can't borrow anything from them

Could you borrow from me and target me with my own power? That'd be neat.

Does anyone have objections to this?

[Michelle]

Lets yeet Michelle.

Don't

[Made]

Ooob, before scum gets any ideas, I’m not doc. Shoot someone else

[Kylemii]

this is probably how I find out Wilgy is a Paranoid Gun Owner