Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Long Con]

100% mech clear
Jack

Very likely mech clear but okay fine a tiny sliver of doubt could remain
Kyle
Long Con
tutuu

Just…super town
JPIC
Made
Syn

Mech stuff reflects well on them and have handled things in a townie way, but I guess we look here before the above groups?
Tim
Martin
Dizzy

Mostly think they’re okay on their own merits (solving etc) but I guess nothing stops them being a wolf
Michelle
Sloonei
Ted

The rest
TSP
Wilgy
Hollowkatt
112
Hyena


Let me know if I have any mech conclusions wrong.

Looks good, where's Radishes?

[TonyStarkPrime]

yep

[Master Radishes]

I can expand on any if need be. And probably will if I get a chance/if I live to tomorrow.

[Syn]

JustPlayingitcool - claims that there was some kind of benefit to the number of people on marmot's wagon reaching 8 or more. also claimed to have received something during n2 that he isnt sure whether or not its positive or negative

Not to be pedantic, but in this specific situation, it had to be MORE than 8. Not an exact of 8.

is that true today too

[TonyStarkPrime]

Radishes is probably above sloonei

[Made]

100% mech clear
Jack

Very likely mech clear but okay fine a tiny sliver of doubt could remain
Kyle
Long Con
tutuu

Just…super town
JPIC
Made
Syn

Mech stuff reflects well on them and have handled things in a townie way, but I guess we look here before the above groups?
Tim
Martin
Dizzy

Mostly think they’re okay on their own merits (solving etc) but I guess nothing stops them being a wolf
Michelle
Sloonei
Ted

The rest
TSP
Wilgy
Hollowkatt
112
Hyena


Let me know if I have any mech conclusions wrong.

Imo swap hyena to super town, then move jpic to Michelle’s category

[Master Radishes]

100% mech clear
Jack

Very likely mech clear but okay fine a tiny sliver of doubt could remain
Kyle
Long Con
tutuu

Just…super town
JPIC
Made
Syn

Mech stuff reflects well on them and have handled things in a townie way, but I guess we look here before the above groups?
Tim
Martin
Dizzy

Mostly think they’re okay on their own merits (solving etc) but I guess nothing stops them being a wolf
Michelle
Sloonei
Ted

The rest
TSP
Wilgy
Hollowkatt
112
Hyena


Let me know if I have any mech conclusions wrong.

Looks good, where's Radishes?

I think I'm in JPIC's group but I accept people now have me in the Michelle group.

[Justplayingitcool]

JustPlayingitcool - claims that there was some kind of benefit to the number of people on marmot's wagon reaching 8 or more. also claimed to have received something during n2 that he isnt sure whether or not its positive or negative

Not to be pedantic, but in this specific situation, it had to be MORE than 8. Not an exact of 8.

is that true today too

Yes, it needs to be more than 8 (this phase), but this time it's fine if it's exactly 8.

The number was different last phase.

[Master Radishes]

100% mech clear
Jack

Very likely mech clear but okay fine a tiny sliver of doubt could remain
Kyle
Long Con
tutuu

Just…super town
JPIC
Made
Syn

Mech stuff reflects well on them and have handled things in a townie way, but I guess we look here before the above groups?
Tim
Martin
Dizzy

Mostly think they’re okay on their own merits (solving etc) but I guess nothing stops them being a wolf
Michelle
Sloonei
Ted

The rest
TSP
Wilgy
Hollowkatt
112
Hyena


Let me know if I have any mech conclusions wrong.

Imo swap hyena to super town, then move jpic to Michelle’s category

Hard disagree on both, personally, but I think it's healthy to have differing opinions from towncore members so I'm not going to argue or anything.

Probably worth discussing tomorrow.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Hyena and michelle should move in and I should be considered omega town but I do apparently have a hard time voting for wolf wagons or remembering when eod is so I understand why I'm not

[Syn]

sorry sweatie you need a wagon of more than 8

"but epi, there's only 5 players left"

[TonyStarkPrime]

I said move in but I meant swap

[Master Radishes]

JustPlayingitcool - claims that there was some kind of benefit to the number of people on marmot's wagon reaching 8 or more. also claimed to have received something during n2 that he isnt sure whether or not its positive or negative

Not to be pedantic, but in this specific situation, it had to be MORE than 8. Not an exact of 8.

is that true today too

Yes, it needs to be more than 8 (this phase), but this time it's fine if it's exactly 8.

The number was different last phase.

So it's related to how many players are in the game.

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii pls make sure u place ur vote appropriately and steal a potential scum power role

I'm not really sure what a scum power role would look like tbh. I feel weird about voting.

I haven't caught up but I think I endorse the 112 yeet. but if I vote there, does that mean that Syn doesn't get to use 112's role?

Yea u shouldnt vote on the wagon we yeet

Are u gonna be around for eod?

If u wanna sheep, listen to either JPIC or Master Radish to tell u where to vote and steal power from @Master Radishes @Justplayingitcool

I'm only around for the next 30 minutes, otherwise I'm at registers.

[tutuu]

sorry sweatie you need a wagon of more than 8

"but epi, there's only 5 players left"

ROFL

[Michelle]

wait hang on, what is the mech on tutuu

I asked you to confirm me, you confirmed so is your fault i don't still tunnel hard tutuu, and now you come with this

[Long Con]

Hyena's proven role is kind of towny, isn't it? Connecting the dead with the living?

[Justplayingitcool]

JustPlayingitcool - claims that there was some kind of benefit to the number of people on marmot's wagon reaching 8 or more. also claimed to have received something during n2 that he isnt sure whether or not its positive or negative

Not to be pedantic, but in this specific situation, it had to be MORE than 8. Not an exact of 8.

is that true today too

Yes, it needs to be more than 8 (this phase), but this time it's fine if it's exactly 8.

The number was different last phase.

So it's related to how many players are in the game.

I don't know if it matters. I haven't really paid attention.

The number was bigger D3.

[tutuu]

@Kylemii vote tonystarkprime and steal his power, him and ted and me are the only ones who havent outed their role at this point

[TonyStarkPrime]

pls don't steal my power either I might actually use it today

[Master Radishes]

Hyena's proven role is kind of towny, isn't it? Connecting the dead with the living?

So...sure. But the roles we know of don't feel very AI. Like the Tetris thing could've been either team. My role can be something that's on a scum team tbh.

I mainly just think Hyena is acting classically scummy all role stuff aside.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think my power might clear me though idk

[tutuu]

TSP or wilgy or hollowkatt - choose one of those

[tutuu]

no i want to learn tony's role

pls vote tony

[Timsup2nothin]

[Long Con]

no i want to learn tony's role

pls vote tony

I am an easy Tony voter. Could Tone it up.

[TonyStarkPrime]

no i want to learn tony's role

pls vote tony

my role is obvious from my iso

[Justplayingitcool]

no i want to learn tony's role

pls vote tony

No, wilgy or HK.

[Michelle]

112
11
39%
Voters: Sloonei, Michelle, TonyStarkPrime, Made, tedxtr, Long Con, Master Radishes, tutuu, Dyslexicon, DrWilgy, Justplayingitcool

The biggest wagon, of course should contain a lot of wolves, 112 is right, but is a kind of NAI logic.

[TonyStarkPrime]

no i want to learn tony's role

pls vote tony

I am an easy Tony voter. Could Tone it up.

no we're just voting tony to steal tony's power not to kill him

[Long Con]

no i want to learn tony's role

pls vote tony

my role is obvious from my iso

Save me some time broseph.

[Justplayingitcool]

Michelle's random paranoia of tutuu is probably town imo

[TonyStarkPrime]

I swear if Tim blasts me Hyena you better connect me and Tim so I can bombard him with taylor swift gifs

[Long Con]

no i want to learn tony's role

pls vote tony

I am an easy Tony voter. Could Tone it up.

no we're just voting tony to steal tony's power not to kill him

How embarrassing.

[Michelle]

@Kylemii vote tonystarkprime and steal his power, him and ted and me are the only ones who havent outed their role at this point

And me tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

Michelle's random paranoia of tutuu is probably town imo

Don't think it's so clear. Wolves might need to keep paranoia on that spot.

[DrWilgy]

I hate to use the S word, but statistically speaking, it’d be weird if 112 is a hit. I’m optimistic tho.

I feel this. Everyone's just cool w/112 and it makes sense per the cat stuff. It's scary that everyone's cool with it though.

[Timsup2nothin]

I swear if Tim blasts me Hyena you better connect me and Tim so I can bombard him with taylor swift gifs

I wouldn't open the chat

[Master Radishes]

Our numbers game is actually really good. We can get through a good chunk of the PoE and get some wrong before we may need to panic and tinfoil.


I strongly recommend even if we get it wrong today we stick to the general consensus PoE in D5. Discuss other options, maybe, but not let ourselves get tunnelled into new narratives. I've seen it a few times before on Syndicate where the town gets off to a strong start then shoots itself in the foot.

If we get to D6 with two green flips then sure, we can begin to widen our search.

[Michelle]

Michelle's random paranoia of tutuu is probably town imo

It's not random.. i can write a book

[TonyStarkPrime]

let's get this out of the way early: if 112 flips wolf dizzy is town

[Master Radishes]

let's get this out of the way early: if 112 flips wolf dizzy is town

Dizzy's probably already town tbh.

[DrWilgy]

A third general observation:

Of the parameters we can be sure of (the three scum, the dead town, a couple mech things) I do not see any Grand Wolf Agenda that people always fear exists. I see wolves who were individually working to slide by as best they could. Cat was just trying to fend off some early suss without implicating teammates. Marmot was being opportunistic in all his pushes rather than powerwolfing. Nanook was doing jack and showed no inclination to get more involved to start dictating events. Both those latter two are capable of being manipulative wolves and were not doing it. Their flipped powers were weak and were clearly not being used to further any specific agenda either.

Conversely, the dead townies were active, pushy, and correct. The wolves were being boxed out and were picking it off the Big Scary Towny Leaders as they saw them.

This suggests the wolf team that remains is not in control of this game. The town is.

Agree/disagree?

Agree, but in this line of talk, if we are wrong on who's in control, who's the deepwolf?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think Dizzy should be lower than where he is in MR's POE

[Master Radishes]

Btw I actually do sort of feel TSP could be town. But he remains core PoE for historic disengagement etc.

[Long Con]

Btw I actually do sort of feel TSP could be town. But he remains core PoE for historic disengagement etc.

Agreed.

[Michelle]

I hate to use the S word, but statistically speaking, it’d be weird if 112 is a hit. I’m optimistic tho.

I feel this. Everyone's just cool w/112 and it makes sense per the cat stuff. It's scary that everyone's cool with it though.

If 112 is wolf probably the others realised is hard to defend.
If is villager, then it's an ugly thing indeed

[Master Radishes]

I think Dizzy should be lower than where he is in MR's POE

His category placement is because he has claimed a protect on nutella and this might verify Martin's claim.

Also he's just sorta townie when he does come along to post.

[Made]

A third general observation:

Of the parameters we can be sure of (the three scum, the dead town, a couple mech things) I do not see any Grand Wolf Agenda that people always fear exists. I see wolves who were individually working to slide by as best they could. Cat was just trying to fend off some early suss without implicating teammates. Marmot was being opportunistic in all his pushes rather than powerwolfing. Nanook was doing jack and showed no inclination to get more involved to start dictating events. Both those latter two are capable of being manipulative wolves and were not doing it. Their flipped powers were weak and were clearly not being used to further any specific agenda either.

Conversely, the dead townies were active, pushy, and correct. The wolves were being boxed out and were picking it off the Big Scary Towny Leaders as they saw them.

This suggests the wolf team that remains is not in control of this game. The town is.

Agree/disagree?

Agree, but in this line of talk, if we are wrong on who's in control, who's the deepwolf?

...it’s Sloonei

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think at least one wolf has finangled into a mechcleary spot by now