Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[hollowkatt]

Also, just so I can understand the logic going forward, why would a player vote their teammate and then ghost thread?

:towncred:

not sure if this is sarcasm?

not at all, actually.

[tutuu]

Mades cool mades with me i like made

Also his wagon the sketchiest

I think made town

[Timsup2nothin]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

how about why mr nanook?

How about just not Nanook. There are a number of "feelie readers" who have expressed that Nanook "doesn't feel right." As far as I've seen (and admittedly I haven't gone looking) these feelie reads haven't even gone to "feels wrong"...just "doesn't feel right." My conversations with Nanook when he has happened to be around at the same time I was have gotten me the absolutely NAI nothing I expect from Nanook, so I see no reason for an early chop there.

if not feelie reads, what do you prefer?

On day one feelie reads are kinda all there is. This isn't day one. Mac associated you with Cat. Cat flipped red. The next thing to be done stands out as sort of obvious to me.

[Marmot]

Why sheep JPIC?

Why not?

"I'm super town" isn't super appealing?
Why is JPIC super town?

I defended your slot D1, but then was concerned I was wrong with the Dya NK who was heavily suspecting you D1

Oh I forgot about that.

I also defended Thunal Day 1. Please live up to those expectations hk

[tutuu]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

how about why mr nanook?

How about just not Nanook. There are a number of "feelie readers" who have expressed that Nanook "doesn't feel right." As far as I've seen (and admittedly I haven't gone looking) these feelie reads haven't even gone to "feels wrong"...just "doesn't feel right." My conversations with Nanook when he has happened to be around at the same time I was have gotten me the absolutely NAI nothing I expect from Nanook, so I see no reason for an early chop there.

if not feelie reads, what do you prefer?

On day one feelie reads are kinda all there is. This isn't day one. Mac associated you with Cat. Cat flipped red. The next thing to be done stands out as sort of obvious to me.

Mac is quite capable of being wrong

[Justplayingitcool]

Mades cool mades with me i like made

Also his wagon the sketchiest

I think made town

Why do you think made town?

[Timsup2nothin]

Mades cool mades with me i like made

Also his wagon the sketchiest

I think made town

Who on Made's wagon is sketchy, specifically?

[Made]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

how about why mr nanook?

How about just not Nanook. There are a number of "feelie readers" who have expressed that Nanook "doesn't feel right." As far as I've seen (and admittedly I haven't gone looking) these feelie reads haven't even gone to "feels wrong"...just "doesn't feel right." My conversations with Nanook when he has happened to be around at the same time I was have gotten me the absolutely NAI nothing I expect from Nanook, so I see no reason for an early chop there.

if not feelie reads, what do you prefer?

On day one feelie reads are kinda all there is. This isn't day one. Mac associated you with Cat. Cat flipped red. The next thing to be done stands out as sort of obvious to me.

Just be clear, when you say "Mac associated you with Cat" are you saying the case is valid because Mac made it, or that the case is valid generally.

If you're saying the case is valid generally, then why bring Mac into it?

[Made]

Mades cool mades with me i like made

Also his wagon the sketchiest

I think made town

[hollowkatt]

Mades cool mades with me i like made

Also his wagon the sketchiest

I think made town

whos sketchy on the made wagon and why?

[Made]

Just to be clear, when you say "Mac associated you with Cat" are you saying the case is valid because Mac made it, or that the case is valid generally?

If you're saying the case is valid generally, then why bring Mac into it?

ebwop

[hollowkatt]

Why sheep JPIC?

Why not?

"I'm super town" isn't super appealing?
Why is JPIC super town?

I defended your slot D1, but then was concerned I was wrong with the Dya NK who was heavily suspecting you D1

Oh I forgot about that.

I also defended Thunal Day 1. Please live up to those expectations hk

plx don't have expectations for me, no matter what they are I assure you I can disappoint them.

[hollowkatt]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

how about why mr nanook?

How about just not Nanook. There are a number of "feelie readers" who have expressed that Nanook "doesn't feel right." As far as I've seen (and admittedly I haven't gone looking) these feelie reads haven't even gone to "feels wrong"...just "doesn't feel right." My conversations with Nanook when he has happened to be around at the same time I was have gotten me the absolutely NAI nothing I expect from Nanook, so I see no reason for an early chop there.

if not feelie reads, what do you prefer?

On day one feelie reads are kinda all there is. This isn't day one. Mac associated you with Cat. Cat flipped red. The next thing to be done stands out as sort of obvious to me.

Mac is quite capable of being wrong

Isn't mac the one that delivered cat unto us? That's what I gather anyways.
So if your argument is "mac can be wrong" Imma need you to show me the wrong please.

[Marmot]

i dont disagree with blindly sheeping a player who has a consistent track record of yeeting mafia - if there is such a player then this is a good play

From the games ive played with town mac the only one that stands out to me is radiohead wrt his accuracy. Nothing else stands out i dont think. My sample size is low

Perhaps other people have played more games with him and have seen more of his great games, thats my only logical explanation for this discrepancy in our perceptions

Making Friends and Enemies, he nailed nutella and I pretty accurately (but I killed him before he could really push me)

He had me pegged in Shadow Corridors as well. I don't recall who else he nailed.

And also yes, he got cat this game.


He's at least better than I am at catching scum.

[Syn]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

His name is in there

If ur asking "why not nanook first" - i dont think it will matter if i explain it, chances are my read will get ignored, both in terms of ppl considering my reads since i dont have mac's clout, and also in terms of me coming off as towny as evidenced by my solving effort getting gnored earlier when i was a wagon. So im being pragmatic here sorry friend

how is it pragmatic to withhold information

[Marmot]

Should I just sheep you tutuu?

[hollowkatt]

Mades cool mades with me i like made

Also his wagon the sketchiest

I think made town

Who on Made's wagon is sketchy, specifically?

Mades cool mades with me i like made

Also his wagon the sketchiest

I think made town

whos sketchy on the made wagon and why?

oh dear, we're not supposed to meld this openly Tim, they'll start to get ideas

[Timsup2nothin]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

how about why mr nanook?

How about just not Nanook. There are a number of "feelie readers" who have expressed that Nanook "doesn't feel right." As far as I've seen (and admittedly I haven't gone looking) these feelie reads haven't even gone to "feels wrong"...just "doesn't feel right." My conversations with Nanook when he has happened to be around at the same time I was have gotten me the absolutely NAI nothing I expect from Nanook, so I see no reason for an early chop there.

if not feelie reads, what do you prefer?

On day one feelie reads are kinda all there is. This isn't day one. Mac associated you with Cat. Cat flipped red. The next thing to be done stands out as sort of obvious to me.

Mac is quite capable of being wrong

Oh, no question. And if you recall I was very skeptical about his "lock it in" on day one. But we now actually know that he was right on Cat...and a big part of his Cat case was that Cat and Made were doing the w/w dance in their interactions. So he is actually proven right on the Cat part of that read. In my opinion that makes the Made part of that read the best thing to move forward on.

[tutuu]

Mades cool mades with me i like made

Also his wagon the sketchiest

I think made town

Why do you think made town?

The way that hes defending himself: repeating that he was just not online to vote cat, and that post he just wrote that he doesnt wanna appear too scummy coz hes realizing how easily ppl in this game scumread stuff and i could empathize with it. Like im just reading his posts and they seem town

Also probbaly relevant that my townread on tim dropped after i realized game isnt multiball since that was the only reason why i townread him. I dont like mades wagon, i townread syn and marmot there but. Yea

Hard to verbalize, my motivation is at 0, my desire to ask ppl to follow me is 0, i wish this game to be over so theres that. i think made town thats all i gonna commit soz

[Marmot]

Ftr, I don't think anyone would disagree that Made is cool. Like really cool.

[Marmot]

Where did Made say or repeat "that he was just not online to vote cat"?

[Made]

i dont disagree with blindly sheeping a player who has a consistent track record of yeeting mafia - if there is such a player then this is a good play

From the games ive played with town mac the only one that stands out to me is radiohead wrt his accuracy. Nothing else stands out i dont think. My sample size is low

Perhaps other people have played more games with him and have seen more of his great games, thats my only logical explanation for this discrepancy in our perceptions

Making Friends and Enemies, he nailed nutella and I pretty accurately (but I killed him before he could really push me)

He had me pegged in Shadow Corridors as well. I don't recall who else he nailed.

And also yes, he got cat this game.


He's at least better than I am at catching scum.

Okay wait. I was the one who convinced you not to vote Martin, Mac's top scum read. No?

Why follow me to change away from a Mac read, but not follow Mac when he changes his scum read on me?

[hollowkatt]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

how about why mr nanook?

How about just not Nanook. There are a number of "feelie readers" who have expressed that Nanook "doesn't feel right." As far as I've seen (and admittedly I haven't gone looking) these feelie reads haven't even gone to "feels wrong"...just "doesn't feel right." My conversations with Nanook when he has happened to be around at the same time I was have gotten me the absolutely NAI nothing I expect from Nanook, so I see no reason for an early chop there.

if not feelie reads, what do you prefer?

On day one feelie reads are kinda all there is. This isn't day one. Mac associated you with Cat. Cat flipped red. The next thing to be done stands out as sort of obvious to me.

Just be clear, when you say "Mac associated you with Cat" are you saying the case is valid because Mac made it, or that the case is valid generally.

If you're saying the case is valid generally, then why bring Mac into it?

wait, hang on, what are you arguing here?
The case that associates you with cat was produced by mac, right? Seems like that's how you bring mac into it. He was right on cat, he associates you and cat together, and he's not been wrong yet this game (read as he's delivered a pelt). So like I'm struggling to understand what you're doing here.

[Syn]

marmot's wolfin tbh

[Made]

Ftr, I don't think anyone would disagree that Made is cool. Like really cool.

ily, but also if you're pocketing me rn, you're doing great, and I will probably never vote you this game.

[Master Radishes]

Made's coolness is not in question.

[Timsup2nothin]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

how about why mr nanook?

How about just not Nanook. There are a number of "feelie readers" who have expressed that Nanook "doesn't feel right." As far as I've seen (and admittedly I haven't gone looking) these feelie reads haven't even gone to "feels wrong"...just "doesn't feel right." My conversations with Nanook when he has happened to be around at the same time I was have gotten me the absolutely NAI nothing I expect from Nanook, so I see no reason for an early chop there.

if not feelie reads, what do you prefer?

On day one feelie reads are kinda all there is. This isn't day one. Mac associated you with Cat. Cat flipped red. The next thing to be done stands out as sort of obvious to me.

Just be clear, when you say "Mac associated you with Cat" are you saying the case is valid because Mac made it, or that the case is valid generally.

If you're saying the case is valid generally, then why bring Mac into it?

I'm saying that based on the ensuing flip of Cat as a wolf the case looks pretty damn valid, and I'm 'bringing Mac into it' because if I try to steal credit from him for Cat's pelt he will probably try to murder me, and rightfully so.

[Justplayingitcool]

Mades cool mades with me i like made

Also his wagon the sketchiest

I think made town

Why do you think made town?

The way that hes defending himself: repeating that he was just not online to vote cat, and that post he just wrote that he doesnt wanna appear too scummy coz hes realizing how easily ppl in this game scumread stuff and i could empathize with it. Like im just reading his posts and they seem town

Also probbaly relevant that my townread on tim dropped after i realized game isnt multiball since that was the only reason why i townread him. I dont like mades wagon, i townread syn and marmot there but. Yea

Hard to verbalize, my motivation is at 0, my desire to ask ppl to follow me is 0, i wish this game to be over so theres that. i think made town thats all i gonna commit soz

C'mon tutuu! I will encourage you with every patting in every fibre of my being. Turn that frown upside down!

not against a Tim chop tbhhhhh

[Syn]

Made's coolness is not in question.

only townies can be cool, mr. rad

so you're lock town now I think

[tutuu]

Should I just sheep you tutuu?

I dont want anyone to sheep me but both me and mac are voting martin so this could be a nice compromise (to ask u to vote martin)

[Marmot]

Okay wait. I was the one who convinced you not to vote Martin, Mac's top scum read. No?

Why follow me to change away from a Mac read, but not follow Mac when he changes his scum read on me?

Cuz this is mafia and we do weird stuff.

Did Mac rescind his scumread of you? I don't remember, or know why he would have. Can you point it out?

[Marmot]

Okay wait. I was the one who convinced you not to vote Martin, Mac's top scum read. No?

Why follow me to change away from a Mac read, but not follow Mac when he changes his scum read on me?

Cuz this is mafia and we do weird stuff.

Did Mac rescind his scumread of you? I don't remember, or know why he would have. Can you point it out?

[hollowkatt]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

His name is in there

If ur asking "why not nanook first" - i dont think it will matter if i explain it, chances are my read will get ignored, both in terms of ppl considering my reads since i dont have mac's clout, and also in terms of me coming off as towny as evidenced by my solving effort getting gnored earlier when i was a wagon. So im being pragmatic here sorry friend

how is it pragmatic to withhold information

Hi Syn! Why do people think you're wolfy?

[Justplayingitcool]

Should I just sheep you tutuu?

sheep jpic

[Syn]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

His name is in there

If ur asking "why not nanook first" - i dont think it will matter if i explain it, chances are my read will get ignored, both in terms of ppl considering my reads since i dont have mac's clout, and also in terms of me coming off as towny as evidenced by my solving effort getting gnored earlier when i was a wagon. So im being pragmatic here sorry friend

how is it pragmatic to withhold information

Hi Syn! Why do people think you're wolfy?

they don't unfortunately

[tutuu]

I tr syn and marmot on madrs wagon, waffling on hk, im sketched out by tim and radish

[hollowkatt]

marmot's wolfin tbh

kinda don't disagree with that

[Marmot]

I wasn't making an argument to sheep Mac so much as pointing out some recent scum he's caught.

[Made]

wait, hang on, what are you arguing here?
The case that associates you with cat was produced by mac, right? Seems like that's how you bring mac into it. He was right on cat, he associates you and cat together, and he's not been wrong yet this game (read as he's delivered a pelt). So like I'm struggling to understand what you're doing here.

I'm not arguing anything, I'm just clarifying whether the biggest weight of the case against me comes from Mac's Ethos or the Logos of the argument itself. It can obviously be both, but It sounds like to me that saying "Mac's case" makes it more like a Mac thing than a case thing.

[hollowkatt]

Should I just sheep you tutuu?

I dont want anyone to sheep me but both me and mac are voting martin so this could be a nice compromise (to ask u to vote martin)

MU G1 Champs 2020 wtf flashbacks

[Marmot]

marmot's wolfin tbh

Oh hai, I thought I sensed something in the shadows.

[hollowkatt]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

His name is in there

If ur asking "why not nanook first" - i dont think it will matter if i explain it, chances are my read will get ignored, both in terms of ppl considering my reads since i dont have mac's clout, and also in terms of me coming off as towny as evidenced by my solving effort getting gnored earlier when i was a wagon. So im being pragmatic here sorry friend

how is it pragmatic to withhold information

Hi Syn! Why do people think you're wolfy?

they don't unfortunately

would you feel better if I did? I mean I don't, but if you'd like me to I can work something up to get there.

[Timsup2nothin]

I tr syn and marmot on madrs wagon, waffling on hk, im sketched out by tim and radish

When did that happen? I have fond memories of having been a town read? Pretty sure I could go find lists in your ISO. How did I become not just sketchy, but sketchy enough to taint an entire wagon almost by myself?

[Made]

oh my voters. already said some of this.. but.
best look - cat. saw scummy play, voted scummy player, left.

i don't think any of my voters look particularly bad, but that might just be because the whole multi team thing.. voting scummy looking people doesn't have the same advantage it normally does and i'm still internalizing that. more thinking required, but i'm leaving the processor running on that one.

Likes cat

I make case, suddenly doesn't like cat

it's almost like i trusted your read and voted there because i believed you when you outlined the case.

fair

@Marmot

[hollowkatt]

I tr syn and marmot on madrs wagon, waffling on hk, im sketched out by tim and radish

What about me makes you waffling?

[Master Radishes]

Why don't we all just vote Hyena?

[tutuu]

I tr syn and marmot on madrs wagon, waffling on hk, im sketched out by tim and radish

When did that happen? I have fond memories of having been a town read? Pretty sure I could go find lists in your ISO. How did I become not just sketchy, but sketchy enough to taint an entire wagon almost by myself?

I said it a bit earlier timmie on this page, tldr i realized i tr u coz game multiball but game isnt multiball. that made me go like oh wait

[tutuu]

I tr syn and marmot on madrs wagon, waffling on hk, im sketched out by tim and radish

What about me makes you waffling?

i tr ur predecessor but then the n1 kill was convinced ur slot was maf, super super super convinced so im stuck between trsutinf my read and trustinf that read

[nutella]

What's up gamers

[Justplayingitcool]

Why don't we all just vote Hyena?

let's not