Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[MartinGG99]

I was falsely hinting earlier about murdering Syn as having KP (I don't), but I figured I was probably a more disposable role since it has the unusual inability to not communicate to whoever it targets.

[MartinGG99]

So assuming I didn't get deleted today, maybe I would've attracted a night-kill in the night.

[MartinGG99]

Anyways I gotta go do homework for Mental Abuse To Humans so I can't do much else; especially when I got other stuff starting tomorrow as well as classes.

I likely won't be here again before EoD.

[MartinGG99]

So once again I appreciate and it ironically makes me happy (rather than angry) to be day-killed for TMI suspicions

but I hope you all will realize Tutuu + Thunal are likely town slots and maybe the rest of my reads are somewhat correct as well

Goodnight everyone.

[tutuu]

it just breaks my heart voting for martin

[nutella]

well (a) we still have 22 hours and (b) him being ok with it makes it feel less bad? but also maybe makes me think he is telling us true things about his role and stuff and that he'll flip town

im not voting him anyway i dont really prefer him as the chop atm

[tutuu]

him being ok with it makes it feel 10 times badder for me

[nutella]

dizzy>marmot>made>nook prob my choices

seems like a good number of us could compromise on made

[nutella]

[VOTE: made] aubergine

[Made]

dizzy>marmot>made>nook prob my choices

seems like a good number of us could compromise on made

I object

[nutella]

idk maybe it's best to stay course on martin esp if he even thinks his flip can help us assuming hes town

meh

[Made]

legit, is there even a case on me?? like why am I considered scummy besides by consensus

[nutella]

thing is hes saying it helps by confirming tutuu and thunal and i already have them as likely town

wonder if the info of his action on falcon will help tho


wonder if he has info and we should take a hint that we should just chop falcon lol

[MacDougall]

legit, is there even a case on me?? like why am I considered scummy besides by consensus

are you serious?

[Timsup2nothin]

legit, is there even a case on me?? like why am I considered scummy besides by consensus

Mac was pretty strong on you being partners with Cat, yeah. Ha has wandered off in a lot of directions today but I don't think he has made a better case.

[Made]

legit, is there even a case on me?? like why am I considered scummy besides by consensus

are you serious?

okay, so the cat thing? I'm not that scummy for that. I didn't even do anything there. Cat just voted an easy target (me), and I voted a baddie(him)

[MacDougall]

oh my voters. already said some of this.. but.
best look - cat. saw scummy play, voted scummy player, left.

i don't think any of my voters look particularly bad, but that might just be because the whole multi team thing.. voting scummy looking people doesn't have the same advantage it normally does and i'm still internalizing that. more thinking required, but i'm leaving the processor running on that one.

Likes cat

I make case, suddenly doesn't like cat

@Made what do you think of cat?

if they vote the wrong wagon today, I forecast an early D2 wagon based on EOD today.
Not sure how sustainable it will be D2, but definitely potential staying power tinfoil into the late game

There is an entire day left made

that's why it's a forecast.

in terms of baddie behavior, cat is probably bad (likely for the same post you think they're bad for), but I don't feel confident enough in that read rn to push it

Lets just kill them today instead.

I'm actually really really cool with this.

Y'all let's just skip to day 2 and [VOTE: Cat] aubergine

[MacDougall]

oh my voters. already said some of this.. but.
best look - cat. saw scummy play, voted scummy player, left.

i don't think any of my voters look particularly bad, but that might just be because the whole multi team thing.. voting scummy looking people doesn't have the same advantage it normally does and i'm still internalizing that. more thinking required, but i'm leaving the processor running on that one.

Likes cat

I make case, suddenly doesn't like cat

@Made what do you think of cat?

if they vote the wrong wagon today, I forecast an early D2 wagon based on EOD today.
Not sure how sustainable it will be D2, but definitely potential staying power tinfoil into the late game

There is an entire day left made

that's why it's a forecast.

in terms of baddie behavior, cat is probably bad (likely for the same post you think they're bad for), but I don't feel confident enough in that read rn to push it

Lets just kill them today instead.

I'm actually really really cool with this.

Y'all let's just skip to day 2 and [VOTE: Cat] aubergine

[nutella]

oh my voters. already said some of this.. but.
best look - cat. saw scummy play, voted scummy player, left.

i don't think any of my voters look particularly bad, but that might just be because the whole multi team thing.. voting scummy looking people doesn't have the same advantage it normally does and i'm still internalizing that. more thinking required, but i'm leaving the processor running on that one.

Likes cat

I make case, suddenly doesn't like cat

@Made what do you think of cat?

if they vote the wrong wagon today, I forecast an early D2 wagon based on EOD today.
Not sure how sustainable it will be D2, but definitely potential staying power tinfoil into the late game

There is an entire day left made

that's why it's a forecast.

in terms of baddie behavior, cat is probably bad (likely for the same post you think they're bad for), but I don't feel confident enough in that read rn to push it

Lets just kill them today instead.

I'm actually really really cool with this.

Y'all let's just skip to day 2 and [VOTE: Cat] aubergine

first quote specifically bad bc he claimed he was being scummy as a reaction test and it seems like a setup that the one person he calls good for voting him is mafia

last quote specifically bad bc like. yikes lol

[Made]

he started looking scummy to me when he changed his vote off of me.
Cat's vote at the time looked the least opportunistic. voters like LC, Wilgy, Tutuu looked worse for their vote on me.

[Made]

also context y'all I predicted a wagon of 112 vs falcon, Mac comes in and says "but what if we voted Cat", I say cat looks like someone who'd be easy to push, but probably not today. Mac says, what if we just chop cat first. i say "okay"!

I was Second vote on the wagon, and never try to kick y'all else where. Y'all should be praising me tbh

[Timsup2nothin]

Isn't there some rule of wagonomics that says second on is usually bad?

[Made]

oh my voters. already said some of this.. but.
best look - cat. saw scummy play, voted scummy player, left.

i don't think any of my voters look particularly bad, but that might just be because the whole multi team thing.. voting scummy looking people doesn't have the same advantage it normally does and i'm still internalizing that. more thinking required, but i'm leaving the processor running on that one.

Likes cat

I make case, suddenly doesn't like cat

it's almost like i trusted your read and voted there because i believed you when you outlined the case.

[MacDougall]

Isn't there some rule of wagonomics that says second on is usually bad?

third

[MacDougall]

oh my voters. already said some of this.. but.
best look - cat. saw scummy play, voted scummy player, left.

i don't think any of my voters look particularly bad, but that might just be because the whole multi team thing.. voting scummy looking people doesn't have the same advantage it normally does and i'm still internalizing that. more thinking required, but i'm leaving the processor running on that one.

Likes cat

I make case, suddenly doesn't like cat

it's almost like i trusted your read and voted there because i believed you when you outlined the case.

fair

[Made]

Isn't there some rule of wagonomics that says second on is usually bad?

i'd assume 1st is the worst 2nd is the best politics would be in play--but I don't think Mac is bad here. Why is second bad? it really wouldn't of been hard to either stay off the wagon, or switch off to falcon before cat gained real momentum.

I've been switching my vote around willynilly all day, and the person I ended up stay on longest is my teammate, who eventually gets chopped?

couldn't be me

[Kylemii]

[VOTE: made] aubergine

[Made]

That's what I thought.

Stay quiet sheep. Make up your own takes or be made to look like a fool

[Made]

[VOTE: made] aubergine

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine
omgusing here with pride

[nutella]

be made to look like a fool

hmmyes

[nutella]

idk let's yeet the concept of time or somethin

[Timsup2nothin]

That's what I thought.

Stay quiet sheep. Make up your own takes or be made to look like a fool

I never claimed otherwise. But see, here's the thing...on day one I was really hesitant about sheeping Mac, because until he gets a hit I generally tinfoil too much to just pile along. You just jumped right on there, seemingly against your own read.

And here's something I know...if I'm wolfing against Mac I sheep him...and just kill him. It works out better than antagonizing him. So, yeah I can see plenty of wolf possibilities in the way you sheeped, and merit in his initial case. And he has a pelt now, so I feel better about sheeping.

[Made]

Made: a way out of no way

Now are we here to shoot the breeze or are we here to attack and dethrone god, my fellow champions.

I, my friends, am here for the latter.

[Made]

That's what I thought.

Stay quiet sheep. Make up your own takes or be made to look like a fool

I never claimed otherwise. But see, here's the thing...on day one I was really hesitant about sheeping Mac, because until he gets a hit I generally tinfoil too much to just pile along. You just jumped right on there, seemingly against your own read.

And here's something I know...if I'm wolfing against Mac I sheep him...and just kill him. It works out better than antagonizing him. So, yeah I can see plenty of wolf possibilities in the way you sheeped, and merit in his initial case. And he has a pelt now, so I feel better about sheeping.

you don't sheep mac against your teammate tho. Not first anyways.

The flaw in this reasoning is that in this hypothetical Cat, the person I sheeped mac on, is my teammate. You don't have to antagonize mac to not agree with him and vote elsewhere. If cat was my teammate, I decided to bus him before the wagon even arrived.

[tutuu]

>>>u dont have to read this post, its pointless and a waste of your time to read it, nothing game relevant<<<

Spoiler: show

im already exhausted with this game and im wasting too much time on it like an idiot. ill limit myself to 1 more post on day 2 and then 10 posts per day phase for the following days. i will also refrain from defending myself and the only thing ill be doing is sharing my reads

i hate thinking that someone might be townreading me due to perceived AtE which would be wrong for two reasons 1) for a change i actually defended myself properly and the most "ate" i allowed myself to do was call posts silly or call plays poor, which wasnt even wrong and 2) it would be wrong since i do it equally much as mafia

im still in shock over the sudden 7 vote wagon on me that just came out of nowhere and ppl (potetnially town) popping in and faking their scumreads on me despite being town, justifying them on the spot only after seeing the consensus and feeling the need that that they have to be on the right side of history. what up with this lack of backbone? whats up with that circlejerk? or more like multiple people jerking off one person instead of doing it in a circle, i dont know the word for that though

if im right that people stopped scumreading me due to perceived AtE this just also isnt correct. i would have no qualms faking any kind of frustration as mafia, i am more cold blooded in mafia games than i am perceived to be, and i would derive satisfaction from fooling all of you in this very moment and gloating about it in this current moment if i was mafia

two wrongs just dont make a right in my eyes. it just wasnt done properly. there was so much stuff in this game that wasnt done properly. and i care about it so much because im so passionate about mafia and i want people to become better players but its inevitable that people will perceive my intentions as me getting mad that i got scumread and i didnt like it and i arbitrarily called the scumreads silly. like thats a possibility but its also a possibiltiy i actually analyzed them and found them absurd and me being on the receiving end could have been irrelevant, and really i just want to improve people's solving algorithms so that we can have higher quality mafia games on the syndicate. and i cant really prove that so it just boils down to anyone believing whatever they want. fmpov the game has crashed down and burned and even if we yeet mafia every single day phase for the rest of the game and sweep it will be hollow for me. comparing this game to my last two games here (bike and bread mafia) is like night and day. those two games were so much more elite and competitive than this one. its like that movie where that guy had those special glasses that allowed him to see that some humans are hidden aliens when he put them on. i briefly put those glasses on, i saw a bunch of ppl being aliens here, and u expect me to just take off those glasses and pretend i didnt see anything and move on? wtf how. this has just been way too absurd of a mafia game for me to take seriously. i think being a downer isn't +ev but i have a right to speak my mind and im going to take it, and i did put a warning that this post is pointless

finally i just want to stress again that i can easily fake all of this as mafia and i wouldnt feel bad and if anyone thinks its dirty for a wolf to play like i have this game then they can eat my dab cuz theyre being silly. the last time i wrote a post like this i laughed about it in wolf chat with alison and koba just saying

[nutella]

[VOTE: dizzy] aubergine

[nutella]

if im right that people stopped scumreading me due to perceived AtE

not what happened, for me at least


i just started to see a bigger picture

[nutella]

the last time i wrote a post like this i laughed about it in wolf chat with alison and koba just saying

lol

[Made]

fwiw, from my POV, Tutuu should of fell out of PoE when we realized there was only one mafia team. The fact that she didn't is kinda weird ngl

[Timsup2nothin]

That's what I thought.

Stay quiet sheep. Make up your own takes or be made to look like a fool

I never claimed otherwise. But see, here's the thing...on day one I was really hesitant about sheeping Mac, because until he gets a hit I generally tinfoil too much to just pile along. You just jumped right on there, seemingly against your own read.

And here's something I know...if I'm wolfing against Mac I sheep him...and just kill him. It works out better than antagonizing him. So, yeah I can see plenty of wolf possibilities in the way you sheeped, and merit in his initial case. And he has a pelt now, so I feel better about sheeping.

you don't sheep mac against your teammate tho. Not first anyways.

The flaw in this reasoning is that in this hypothetical Cat, the person I sheeped mac on, is my teammate. You don't have to antagonize mac to not agree with him and vote elsewhere. If cat was my teammate, I decided to bus him before the wagon even arrived.

Or hopped on hoping to appease Mac expecting to be able to slide off later. It doesn't require a decision to bus to lay down a vote. I vote my partners all the time when I wolf, I just always have an exit strategy...and yeah sometimes the exit strategy fails and turns into a bus.

[Made]

to say it another way, there's is almost definitely a few wolves in Mac's sheep a pack

@MacDougall u might wanna look into this...

[Made]

That's what I thought.

Stay quiet sheep. Make up your own takes or be made to look like a fool

I never claimed otherwise. But see, here's the thing...on day one I was really hesitant about sheeping Mac, because until he gets a hit I generally tinfoil too much to just pile along. You just jumped right on there, seemingly against your own read.

And here's something I know...if I'm wolfing against Mac I sheep him...and just kill him. It works out better than antagonizing him. So, yeah I can see plenty of wolf possibilities in the way you sheeped, and merit in his initial case. And he has a pelt now, so I feel better about sheeping.

you don't sheep mac against your teammate tho. Not first anyways.

The flaw in this reasoning is that in this hypothetical Cat, the person I sheeped mac on, is my teammate. You don't have to antagonize mac to not agree with him and vote elsewhere. If cat was my teammate, I decided to bus him before the wagon even arrived.

Or hopped on hoping to appease Mac expecting to be able to slide off later. It doesn't require a decision to bus to lay down a vote. I vote my partners all the time when I wolf, I just always have an exit strategy...and yeah sometimes the exit strategy fails and turns into a bus.

I bought gamestop stocks. Do you really think I know what an exit strategy is?

Made no play fancy. Made play simple. Simple made no plan. Simple head no thoughts. Simple made no plan exit. Plan chop baddies.

[Timsup2nothin]

That's what I thought.

Stay quiet sheep. Make up your own takes or be made to look like a fool

I never claimed otherwise. But see, here's the thing...on day one I was really hesitant about sheeping Mac, because until he gets a hit I generally tinfoil too much to just pile along. You just jumped right on there, seemingly against your own read.

And here's something I know...if I'm wolfing against Mac I sheep him...and just kill him. It works out better than antagonizing him. So, yeah I can see plenty of wolf possibilities in the way you sheeped, and merit in his initial case. And he has a pelt now, so I feel better about sheeping.

you don't sheep mac against your teammate tho. Not first anyways.

The flaw in this reasoning is that in this hypothetical Cat, the person I sheeped mac on, is my teammate. You don't have to antagonize mac to not agree with him and vote elsewhere. If cat was my teammate, I decided to bus him before the wagon even arrived.

Or hopped on hoping to appease Mac expecting to be able to slide off later. It doesn't require a decision to bus to lay down a vote. I vote my partners all the time when I wolf, I just always have an exit strategy...and yeah sometimes the exit strategy fails and turns into a bus.

I bought gamestop stocks. Do you really think I know what an exit strategy is?

Made no play fancy. Made play simple. Simple made no plan. Simple head no thoughts. Simple made no plan exit. Plan chop baddies.

I frequently get in trouble thinking that all wolves wolf like I wolf.

[DrWilgy]

read martin's iso, it's not a bad chop

k

Wot

I was told to read Martins ISO. I will when I have the opportunity.

[DrWilgy]

>>>u dont have to read this post, its pointless and a waste of your time to read it, nothing game relevant<<<

Spoiler: show

im already exhausted with this game and im wasting too much time on it like an idiot. ill limit myself to 1 more post on day 2 and then 10 posts per day phase for the following days. i will also refrain from defending myself and the only thing ill be doing is sharing my reads

i hate thinking that someone might be townreading me due to perceived AtE which would be wrong for two reasons 1) for a change i actually defended myself properly and the most "ate" i allowed myself to do was call posts silly or call plays poor, which wasnt even wrong and 2) it would be wrong since i do it equally much as mafia

im still in shock over the sudden 7 vote wagon on me that just came out of nowhere and ppl (potetnially town) popping in and faking their scumreads on me despite being town, justifying them on the spot only after seeing the consensus and feeling the need that that they have to be on the right side of history. what up with this lack of backbone? whats up with that circlejerk? or more like multiple people jerking off one person instead of doing it in a circle, i dont know the word for that though

if im right that people stopped scumreading me due to perceived AtE this just also isnt correct. i would have no qualms faking any kind of frustration as mafia, i am more cold blooded in mafia games than i am perceived to be, and i would derive satisfaction from fooling all of you in this very moment and gloating about it in this current moment if i was mafia

two wrongs just dont make a right in my eyes. it just wasnt done properly. there was so much stuff in this game that wasnt done properly. and i care about it so much because im so passionate about mafia and i want people to become better players but its inevitable that people will perceive my intentions as me getting mad that i got scumread and i didnt like it and i arbitrarily called the scumreads silly. like thats a possibility but its also a possibiltiy i actually analyzed them and found them absurd and me being on the receiving end could have been irrelevant, and really i just want to improve people's solving algorithms so that we can have higher quality mafia games on the syndicate. and i cant really prove that so it just boils down to anyone believing whatever they want. fmpov the game has crashed down and burned and even if we yeet mafia every single day phase for the rest of the game and sweep it will be hollow for me. comparing this game to my last two games here (bike and bread mafia) is like night and day. those two games were so much more elite and competitive than this one. its like that movie where that guy had those special glasses that allowed him to see that some humans are hidden aliens when he put them on. i briefly put those glasses on, i saw a bunch of ppl being aliens here, and u expect me to just take off those glasses and pretend i didnt see anything and move on? wtf how. this has just been way too absurd of a mafia game for me to take seriously. i think being a downer isn't +ev but i have a right to speak my mind and im going to take it, and i did put a warning that this post is pointless

finally i just want to stress again that i can easily fake all of this as mafia and i wouldnt feel bad and if anyone thinks its dirty for a wolf to play like i have this game then they can eat my dab cuz theyre being silly. the last time i wrote a post like this i laughed about it in wolf chat with alison and koba just saying

<3

[TonyStarkPrime]

I didn't even read their interaction but tutuu said there was

how does nutella have 723 posts what nonsense is this

Are you shading Nutella?

no it's just nonsense

[TonyStarkPrime]

idk maybe it's best to stay course on martin esp if he even thinks his flip can help us assuming hes town

meh

this is on brand bad nutella logic which means nutella is town

[TonyStarkPrime]

jesus I'm getting outposted by wilgy what even is this

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

jesus I'm getting outposted by wilgy what even is this

That’s show biz baby

[DrWilgy]

jesus I'm getting outposted by wilgy what even is this

It's just a phase. I promise.