Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[EllieDelight]

so you're just going to copy other people's reads?

[Made]

the thing that bothers me about made's issue with the "towncore" is that it feels like a half-finished thought

~if~ made believes that the towncore is coming from a place of manufactured consent, it logically follows that multiple people approving of the town-core are mafia

but i don't see much intent on their part to figure out who would be disingenuously supporting the towncore - it feels like a broad complaint that puts a lot of peoples alignment into question without getting into specifics

that's the sneaky part. I don't think that towncore is a bad idea generally. Where the manufactored consent is coming from for me is in the concensus that a towncore exist this game, where it's seemly like there isn't one.

like if everyone has their own different towncore, there is no towncore.

I think the maliciousness comes from assuming there is one.

Is anyone following my line of reasoning at least?

[tutuu]

DaughterOfOmega. Shrug.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.

I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.

I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.

I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.

Jay and Nutella can read spf

Nutella and Mac can read jay

[tutuu]

so you're just going to copy other people's reads?

If this is directed at me - yes. I am town and I am going to copy some reads. Problem?

[tutuu]

I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.

I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.

I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.

I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.

Jay and Nutella can read spf

Nutella and Mac can read jay

I deserved to get put in the treehouse in n1 in Grassland. That memory is fresh in my mind. I don't trust nutella to read spf. I will consider trusting her on Jay.

[staypositivefriend]

the thing that bothers me about made's issue with the "towncore" is that it feels like a half-finished thought

~if~ made believes that the towncore is coming from a place of manufactured consent, it logically follows that multiple people approving of the town-core are mafia

but i don't see much intent on their part to figure out who would be disingenuously supporting the towncore - it feels like a broad complaint that puts a lot of peoples alignment into question without getting into specifics

that's the sneaky part. I don't think that towncore is a bad idea generally. Where the manufactored consent is coming from for me is in the concensus that a towncore exist this game, where it's seemly like there isn't one.

like if everyone has their own different towncore, there is no towncore.

I think the maliciousness comes from assuming there is one.

Is anyone following my line of reasoning at least?

to me, it feels like the base core of: alison/nutella/nanook are in the majority of everyones towncore. it's likely that everyone has a different "towncore" past that point - but there are a few base strong townreads that seem to be shared by the majority of people who've posted so far

the concept of the towncore is so abstract that i'm starting to think it's a waste of time discussing its viability until we can define it in more concrete terms

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.

I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.

I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.

I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.

Jay and Nutella can read spf

Nutella and Mac can read jay

I deserved to get put in the treehouse in n1 in Grassland. That memory is fresh in my mind. I don't trust nutella to read spf. I will consider trusting her on Jay.

Why are you salty about grasslands

We won

[staypositivefriend]

i can read me

[Michelle]

i refuse to read the thread. i am at work and you made it too big

so you're just going to copy other people's reads?

this is the best way

[tutuu]

I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.

I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.

I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.

I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.

Jay and Nutella can read spf

Nutella and Mac can read jay

I deserved to get put in the treehouse in n1 in Grassland. That memory is fresh in my mind. I don't trust nutella to read spf. I will consider trusting her on Jay.

Why are you salty about grasslands

We won

I deserved to be determined the most towny player on day 1 and not spf.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

so you're just going to copy other people's reads?

You say that like it’s a bad thing

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.

I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.

I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.

I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.

Jay and Nutella can read spf

Nutella and Mac can read jay

I deserved to get put in the treehouse in n1 in Grassland. That memory is fresh in my mind. I don't trust nutella to read spf. I will consider trusting her on Jay.

Why are you salty about grasslands

We won

I deserved to be determined the most towny player on day 1 and not spf.

Are you serious

We won the game let it go

[Michelle]

i can read me

[EllieDelight]

idk i always felt like copying other people's reads is scummy. obviously im wrong. so im sorry tutuu, that was needlessly rude. my bad.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Sheeting reads is plus EV

[Made]

Okay y'all. Write out your hypotetical towncores, because i don't think they line up.

Like Alison, SPF isn't even in your towncore???

They don't even have to. Not everyone in the towncore has to share the exact same reads. It's about a critical mass of trust coming into play. Sure, I may not have a solid reason to trust X personally, but I don't have any particular suspicion on them, and I trust Y and Z greatly, and Y and Z both trust X. So I extend trust to X as a result of that, and take them out of the POE. I don't need to directly townread everyone else in the towncore so much as I do need to not scumread them and trust that my actual townreads can read them.

I get that. it's about consolidating around trust.
but like there doesn't seem to be much if any overlap, unless you define towncore to be a process where trust is defined implicitly: Where the people who are trusted the most trust the reads of the people they trust most and a PoE appears organically, but that doesn't not sound like what towncore is.

towncore from my understanding is an explict list of players who town trust. sure, the list isn't going to be the same exact for all players-- one person off here one person off there-- but what it feels like you're describing here as a towncore is a town daisychain.
I think the difference there is less than just semantic

[Made]

i was supposed to stop playing an hour ago. gn y'all

[tutuu]

I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.

I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.

I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.

I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.

Jay and Nutella can read spf

Nutella and Mac can read jay

I deserved to get put in the treehouse in n1 in Grassland. That memory is fresh in my mind. I don't trust nutella to read spf. I will consider trusting her on Jay.

Why are you salty about grasslands

We won

I deserved to be determined the most towny player on day 1 and not spf.

Are you serious

We won the game let it go

You are the one calling me salty over it. That's your own interpretation. What I'm saying is that I don't trust nutella to read spf.

[tutuu]

idk i always felt like copying other people's reads is scummy. obviously im wrong. so im sorry tutuu, that was needlessly rude. my bad.

It wasn't rude, don't wory.

[Alison]

Okay y'all. Write out your hypotetical towncores, because i don't think they line up.

Like Alison, SPF isn't even in your towncore???

They don't even have to. Not everyone in the towncore has to share the exact same reads. It's about a critical mass of trust coming into play. Sure, I may not have a solid reason to trust X personally, but I don't have any particular suspicion on them, and I trust Y and Z greatly, and Y and Z both trust X. So I extend trust to X as a result of that, and take them out of the POE. I don't need to directly townread everyone else in the towncore so much as I do need to not scumread them and trust that my actual townreads can read them.

I get that. it's about consolidating around trust.
but like there doesn't seem to be much if any overlap, unless you define towncore to be a process where trust is defined implicitly: Where the people who are trusted the most trust the reads of the people they trust most and a PoE appears organically, but that doesn't not sound like what towncore is.

towncore from my understanding is an explict list of players who town trust. sure, the list isn't going to be the same exact for all players-- one person off here one person off there-- but what it feels like you're describing here as a towncore is a town daisychain.
I think the difference there is less than just semantic

I mean I think there's significant overlap

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.

I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.

I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.

I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.

Jay and Nutella can read spf

Nutella and Mac can read jay

I deserved to get put in the treehouse in n1 in Grassland. That memory is fresh in my mind. I don't trust nutella to read spf. I will consider trusting her on Jay.

Why are you salty about grasslands

We won

I deserved to be determined the most towny player on day 1 and not spf.

Are you serious

We won the game let it go

You are the one calling me salty over it. That's your own interpretation. What I'm saying is that I don't trust nutella to read spf.

K

[Grogu]

Hello friends. May the force be with us
ToWn!

[Grogu]

i refuse to read the thread. i am at work and you made it too big

so you're just going to copy other people's reads?

this is the best way

This is NOT the way!

[Grogu]

Long con is a great name, but also scummy.

[Grogu]

Banana. This is the way, add some walnuts too

[Michelle]

Hello friends. May the force be with us
ToWn!

Hi

i refuse to read the thread. i am at work and you made it too big

so you're just going to copy other people's reads?

this is the best way

This is NOT the way!

enlighten me, show me the way

[Michelle]

page 5

Made accused me of being too helpful. that's one of those reads that happens a lot but i don't recall seeing much of it from mafia-aligned people. it's the most basic "my distrustful instincts have been triggered by your kindness" sort of perspective that town people uniquely have.

did the tone of that post from made ping you at all? it bothered me in the sense that made was outing three distinct thoughts (a reaction to tutuu, a read on you, a general comment on the game), but they were meshed together in a way that gave me the vibe that made felt uncomfortable/nervous

this is a tell i've noticed that scum tend to do in the beginning of games recently, but i don't know how to fully explain it so i might just be crazy talking

this theory spins my head

so: anyone wanna volunteer to enter the PoE willingly :3

:raises hand:

I'm sorry about the rand michelle

me too tbh, don't tell anyone, let it be our secret

when work can wait, and i know i can catch up while Made sleeps

[Michelle]

also smh marmot for not including dates

like a bread with dates? i want some

[tutuu]

I can't look at Michelle's avatar without imagining that it's nutella posting.

[Michelle]

I can't look at Michelle's avatar without imagining that it's nutella posting.

don't tell me it's because the Doppelgangsters game

[tutuu]

I can't look at Michelle's avatar without imagining that it's nutella posting.

don't tell me it's because the Doppelgangsters game

No I just imagine nutella like a samurai.

[Michelle]

I'm sorry about the rand michelle

the alison mindmelds go on and on and on

idk if there's one in esooa/tutuu ehhh

could be one in jay/made, prolly made

i will keep this in mind

town
dkkoba
alison

townlean
spf
esooa

meh
jay
long con

scum lean??
tutuu

scum
made
michelle

i finally rand scum with Made, and you had to find out

nutella is town

how did i forget nanook hes townlean

others left out are no impression or havent posted

are you pocketing Nanook?

who the fuck actually LIKES playing scum???

i do if i have a team i like to play with and I can teamwork with them

who the fuck actually LIKES playing scum???

*raises hand*

i can believe this

who the fuck actually LIKES playing scum???

i do, but like, don't use that against me

i will use it, sorry for that

is anyone opposed to a JaggedJimmyJay, Esooa, nutella, tutuu PoE on D1?

Yes lol

+1

i do need to exercise caution with alison but like shes good for now

then you forgot about caution

oh, there's probably a baddie in the anime avatar association

i have a manga ava, that counts as anime for you? Just asking

[DaughterOfOmega]

hi

[tutuu]

Hi DOOM (Can I call you DOOM? Daughter Of OMega)

DOOM, how does one read you?

[DaughterOfOmega]

Hi DOOM (Can I call you DOOM? Daughter Of OMega)

DOOM, how does one read you?

I don't think me answering this question would be helpful at all.

1) I never read myself, so I'm no expert in that department.

2) Anything I say about myself could be manipulated or lied about

[staypositivefriend]

michelle, i'm kinda scumreading the stuff youve been posting

do you have any reads or general impressions from your catch-up so far?

[Michelle]

I can't look at Michelle's avatar without imagining that it's nutella posting.

don't tell me it's because the Doppelgangsters game

No I just imagine nutella like a samurai.

why?

[Michelle]

michelle, i'm kinda scumreading the stuff youve been posting

do you have any reads or general impressions from your catch-up so far?

yea but i still have a work in progress for page 6, so
Do your best to scum read me, I don't mind

[staypositivefriend]

michelle, i'm kinda scumreading the stuff youve been posting

do you have any reads or general impressions from your catch-up so far?

yea but i still have a work in progress for page 6, so
Do your best to scum read me, I don't mind

do you mind sharing a few of the initial reads u have right now? they dont need to be fleshed out, i just wanna hear where you're at

[Michelle]

Page 6

michelle is burning and the oven isn't even finished preheating

where Nut wants to burn le petit pain au chocolat
but
i have evidence that's not true

oh, there's probably a baddie in the anime avatar association

This is a wolfy ass post

what if it's a reaction test?

I find Made to be the most innocent

Spoiler: show

Which probably means the aren't!

this read is basically twtbaf

and that means?

I find Made to be the most innocent

Spoiler: show

Which probably means the aren't!

wolf pile for this one


game so easy

last person who said game is easy was wolfing

[Michelle/Made/LC/tutuu] is my POE. Maybe strike out tutuu and replace her with DoO if she's really changing her meta since that would invalidate my scumtell on her

is day 0 and you have a complete Poe, you are something else
Who's DoO?

if ur profile pic is of bread ur conftown

@Alison I read your posts again.

Once again the only thing that stands out to me is what I perceived as towny due to your post being illogical fmpov. Carry on doing your thing and hopefully I can end up reading you correctly.

Sorry if you felt slighted that I was ignoring you - it is not a sign of me liking you less, I never stopped liking you.

whaddaya mean?
for me this is like you have TMI on her and you expect her to show herself towny enough to force a TR from you, a read you already know she deserves.
i don't TR you for the first time and i am sad

I’m currently also TRing Michelle and omega

Not locked yet tho

noted :y:

esooa/tutuu is probably T/T

swap tutuu with DoO in my POE and I am happy with it.

you're repeating this, why?

I actually think Made is the highest scum equity player here because they can be scum in like every world but Michelle/Omega etc. have their scum equity reduced if Made isn't scum (becauase it doesn't make sense to pocket or TMI him in that situation)

Another post who's world building, and this time making associations..
What's up Alison? I want to be scum with Made, do you have a problem?

i'm pretty much in lockstep with Alison. i am not invested in my Made read so go ahead and POE 'em

what about your Poe sir?

alison what made u go from scumleaning me to townreading me? the progression was pretty swift

i like this question, even if until now I didn't find anything AI from SPF

oh, there's probably a baddie in the anime avatar association

all gut reads, but like...there actually might not be..
I'm incline to townlean all members of the AAA, beside tutuu who i read as null.
(playing to meta ain't alignment indicative even tho playing against it often is)

linki: ur probably going to find this really sus then

why so self conscious, is this something you're always doing mate?

when made called me helpful i thought he was referring to me answering new people's questions about how to vote and subscribe to the thread

and he wasn't referring at that?
nvm, i will ask in scum chat

oh, there's probably a baddie in the anime avatar association

all gut reads, but like...there actually might not be..
I'm incline to townlean all members of the AAA, beside tutuu who i read as null.
(playing to meta ain't alignment indicative even tho playing against it often is)

linki: ur probably going to find this really sus then

without looking as fast as you can, please tell me who has an anime avatar in this game

I actually think Made is the highest scum equity player here because they can be scum in like every world but Michelle/Omega etc. have their scum equity reduced if Made isn't scum (becauase it doesn't make sense to pocket or TMI him in that situation)

eboo
alison
tutuu
superbest friend...
i think that's it? i feel like there was a 5th

a baddie in 4 is a normal town/mafia ratio, idk why you pointd this out @Made, now that I am thinking again at it.

[Michelle]

michelle, i'm kinda scumreading the stuff youve been posting

do you have any reads or general impressions from your catch-up so far?

yea but i still have a work in progress for page 6, so
Do your best to scum read me, I don't mind

do you mind sharing a few of the initial reads u have right now? they dont need to be fleshed out, i just wanna hear where you're at

some unbaked thoughts:
I think Tutuu is wolfing no matter Alison's AI
Dk may be indeed town spewed by the thread and I liked the posts
I think is one wolf in no/low posters
I wouldn't bet my life on Made being villager in this moment of my catch up but i think his town equity is 90%
Nut is 50/50 for me rn
Nanook has no reason to town read me when all the thread says i am bad, so i think he is v
JJJ was not yet playing, but i am behind few pages
i don't want to have a read on you, so i blocked my radar in your direction.

[Michelle]

back to catching up, but i will make a dive in work first

[tutuu]

Hi DOOM (Can I call you DOOM? Daughter Of OMega)

DOOM, how does one read you?

I don't think me answering this question would be helpful at all.

1) I never read myself, so I'm no expert in that department.

2) Anything I say about myself could be manipulated or lied about

Any past games I could have a look at?

[tutuu]

I can't look at Michelle's avatar without imagining that it's nutella posting.

don't tell me it's because the Doppelgangsters game

No I just imagine nutella like a samurai.

why?

Joke

[tutuu]

I am stating that I can hopefully end up reading her correctly regardless of her alignment because I desire to be right and not wrong.

I am hopeful that she is town because I lean town on her and I like masoning with her.

[tutuu]

Michelle I would recommend breaking down your walls so they're easier to respond to if you're doing them on PC. If you're on mobile I'm not sure there's much you can do to improve your method so carry on.

[tutuu]

I would also recommend townreading me since that would be correct.

[tutuu]

Look At Me I am So Town.

[tutuu]

My name is literally green.