Bike [END]

[Guillotine]

You either answered your own question or you are contradicting yourself.

Not really. I'd still like to know why Tutu town reads me. I'm just saying that I don't think throwing out early town reads in itself is scum indicative for many players. But the why/how/everything else is still relevant. Also, I'm just a bit sceptical to what I perceive as rigid rules when it comes to reading. Like "This is scummy" and then apply it to all players for all games. But I agree, I was thinking I should've probably just let Tutu answer you instead of butting in, but I butted in anyway cause that's what I do.

Ok i understand. Butting in to answer questions meant for others is generally a scum tell, be careful.

[Dyslexicon]

Did tutuu actually roll scum this game? Methinks yes.

Let's get her once D1 started. She was tres defensive towards me. Scum fo sho.

[Marmot]

This could turn out to be yet another game where I'm the only one around when I'm free. I hate having a normal sleep schedule again. We must break it.

If this is the common time you're posting, I'll probably be awake (yay west coast)

Actually, I don't think I will have a common thing, cause I already did done fucked up my sleep schedule. =p

It's really nice to see you here again. I remember you playing a lot when I first started playing over here. ^^

It's truuuuuue! Then I took a couple years off and well here we are. . It's great to see you too, I remember having it being a pleasure playing with you.

Here's to hoping this isn't the only time we're both online at the same time.

[Guillotine]

You replied inside the quote and i dont like that, it looks like I wrote it. Dont do it again please.

Then we both agree tutu should explain her reads.

It wasn't on purpose. Lol, you really are very paranoid and sceptical. It's rather endearing. Do you want to be town buddies and hard town read each other?

I figured but still. I got nailed and subsequently town lost the game for a planted reply inside a quote.
There are people that dont pay attention to details and judge rushly.

[Dyslexicon]

Ok i understand. Butting in to answer questions meant for others is generally a scum tell, be careful.

It totally isn't imo. This is kind of what I mean with using "general scum tells" that are meant to apply to everyone. I don't know, it's not my thing. But it's ok if it works for you.

I don't tend to be careful. =p

[Dyslexicon]

It's truuuuuue! Then I took a couple years off and well here we are. . It's great to see you too, I remember having it being a pleasure playing with you.

Here's to hoping this isn't the only time we're both online at the same time.

The love

[Dyslexicon]

I figured but still. I got nailed and subsequently town lost the game for a planted reply inside a quote.
There are people that dont pay attention to details and judge rushly.

Oof. I find that a pretty dirty tactic tbh. I wouldn't ever do that myself. But you don't know that, and even when I say it, you may not trust me on it. =p

[Marmot]

seanzie town

I'm always town.

False. This statement is incorrect. Lie. False positive. Untruth.

I will call out every single lie and false truth posted by anyone in this thread.

This aggressive post leads to the following:

Question. What kind of bear is best.

Question. What kind of bear is best.

That's a ridiculus question.

False. Black bear.

Question. What kind of bear is best.

That's a ridiculus question.

False. Black bear.

Well, that's debatable. There are basically two schools of thought...

Fact.

Bears eat beets.

Bears.

Beets.

Battlestar Galactica.

The rest of it is fine, it's just that one aggressive post mixed in that looks kinda forced. I agree with the scummate interaction theory proposed by Epignosis.

[Marmot]

You replied inside the quote and i dont like that, it looks like I wrote it. Dont do it again please.

Then we both agree tutu should explain her reads.

It wasn't on purpose. Lol, you really are very paranoid and sceptical. It's rather endearing. Do you want to be town buddies and hard town read each other?

I figured but still. I got nailed and subsequently town lost the game for a planted reply inside a quote.
There are people that dont pay attention to details and judge rushly.

That's so rude!

There's literally evidence in the thread to prove if something is the original quote or not. Well, if it happens here, I will definitely vote you for it look for said evidence before making a call.

[Guillotine]

I figured but still. I got nailed and subsequently town lost the game for a planted reply inside a quote.
There are people that dont pay attention to details and judge rushly.

Oof. I find that a pretty dirty tactic tbh. I wouldn't ever do that myself. But you don't know that, and even when I say it, you may not trust me on it. =p

Lol stop!

[Guillotine]

You literally stopped?

This game is too weird to me.

[Marmot]

You literally stopped?

This game is too weird to me.

You stratgy is working, townperson

[Guillotine]

You literally stopped?

This game is too weird to me.

You stratgy is working, townperson

What strategy would that be furry being?

[Seanzie]

seanzie town

I'm always town.

False. This statement is incorrect. Lie. False positive. Untruth.

I will call out every single lie and false truth posted by anyone in this thread.

This aggressive post leads to the following:

Question. What kind of bear is best.

Question. What kind of bear is best.

That's a ridiculus question.

False. Black bear.

Question. What kind of bear is best.

That's a ridiculus question.

False. Black bear.

Well, that's debatable. There are basically two schools of thought...

Fact.

Bears eat beets.

Bears.

Beets.

Battlestar Galactica.

The rest of it is fine, it's just that one aggressive post mixed in that looks kinda forced. I agree with the scummate interaction theory proposed by Epignosis.

Eh, I didn't really read Tutuu's first post as particularly aggressive. It just seemed like Tutuu being Tutuu. If you're scumreading Tutuu because you think this is teammate interaction, I have to tell you that sadly you are wrong.

If you want a better reason to scumread Tutuu though, look at how she seemed like she wanted to townread me pretty bad, until people started suggesting her and I might be scum together, and now she is not townreading me. She knows that we are not scum together, so she isn't basing her read on me off the same thing the rest of the thread is (her and me being potential scummates), but I haven't seen any other reason why she went from town--->not town on me, and that I think is a bit suspicious.

[Seanzie]

seanzie town

I'm always town.

False. This statement is incorrect. Lie. False positive. Untruth.

I will call out every single lie and false truth posted by anyone in this thread.

This aggressive post leads to the following:

Question. What kind of bear is best.

Question. What kind of bear is best.

That's a ridiculus question.

False. Black bear.

Question. What kind of bear is best.

That's a ridiculus question.

False. Black bear.

Well, that's debatable. There are basically two schools of thought...

Fact.

Bears eat beets.

Bears.

Beets.

Battlestar Galactica.

The rest of it is fine, it's just that one aggressive post mixed in that looks kinda forced. I agree with the scummate interaction theory proposed by Epignosis.

Eh, I didn't really read Tutuu's first post as particularly aggressive. It just seemed like Tutuu being Tutuu. If you're scumreading Tutuu because you think this is teammate interaction, I have to tell you that sadly you are wrong.

If you want a better reason to scumread Tutuu though, look at how she seemed like she wanted to townread me pretty bad, until people started suggesting her and I might be scum together, and now she is not townreading me. She knows that we are not scum together, so she isn't basing her read on me off the same thing the rest of the thread is (her and me being potential scummates), but I haven't seen any other reason why she went from town--->not town on me, and that I think is a bit suspicious.

[Seanzie]

Whoops, didn't mean to post that twice? Sorry, not sure what happened there.

[Marmot]

I'm not fully convinced that Seanzie is tutuu's scummate. It's a not a terrible theory on its own, but I did read back to Overtime mafia where Tutuu and I were teammates. In that game, her second post of the game was to call "esooa town" in that many words. Tutuu then proceeded to openwolf, giving Syn and myself (her teammates) cuddles, headpats, and cute animal pictures. She also defended Syn to his death as the Day 1 chop. Her handling of seanzie here doesn't match that teammate behavior at all.

I also don't find that post particularly aggressive on its own, but the tone in that post doesn't match the tone before or after it.

[Marmot]

You literally stopped?

This game is too weird to me.

You stratgy is working, townperson

What strategy would that be furry being?

The one where you asked her to stop.

[Guillotine]

You literally stopped?

This game is too weird to me.

You stratgy is working, townperson

What strategy would that be furry being?

The one where you asked her to stop.

If that was an strategy, what was the purpose? Don't answer “to make her stop”, go beyond that.

[Marmot]

You literally stopped?

This game is too weird to me.

You stratgy is working, townperson

What strategy would that be furry being?

The one where you asked her to stop.

If that was an strategy, what was the purpose? Don't answer “to make her stop”, go beyond that.

I don't see it as a strategy, more of a single action.

That said, my goal was to make a joke, since I called you townperson in the process of suggesting your attempt to stop Dizzy was working.

[Dyslexicon]

Me? I went to do other things.

Anyway. Marmot is very likely town, so that is neat. I think I agree with what he's saying, but I've only skimmed. But it's like, yeah, I can see why Epi jumped on the Tutu/Sean thingy. Which may be a + on Epi's side. But also, I think Sean is kind of ok. Maybe. I don't know if I suspect Tutu or just want to suspect Tutu. But I haven't gotten a clear town vibe off her at least.

[Dyslexicon]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Sean is fine tbh

[Marmot]

Me? I went to do other things.

Anyway. Marmot is very likely town, so that is neat. I think I agree with what he's saying, but I've only skimmed. But it's like, yeah, I can see why Epi jumped on the Tutu/Sean thingy. Which may be a + on Epi's side. But also, I think Sean is kind of ok. Maybe. I don't know if I suspect Tutu or just want to suspect Tutu. But I haven't gotten a clear town vibe off her at least.

I'm always town

[TonyStarkPrime]

Right now Seanzie is getting my Day 1 vote.

Everyone is welcome to tell me why that's a bad idea.

It is a bad idea because I am town Then again... if you aren't town, maybe it is not such a bad idea for you. Probability suggests you are probably town though. We'll see.

In what do you base Epignosis' probability of being town?

Simply off the fact that there are pretty much always more town than mafia, so everyone has >50% chance of being town until I get a read on them.

Does ">50%" mean "less than 50%".

smh

[TonyStarkPrime]

Also HI DIZZY! There's litke 5141 reasons I luv u. Let's roleswap again. <3

(It's nice to see you're town as always, btw.)

*writes down MR JOAT*

[TonyStarkPrime]

Unfortunately I'm getting the feeling this game is going to be one of the inactive ones.

Tell me about dizzy

[TonyStarkPrime]

The mechanical intrigue part is missing in the OP, keep it in mind and don't forget about it please.

My guess would be a Mafia Framer and Town Cop, or perhaps a Mafia role that invalidates player's votes (Jay likes roles that mess with vote powers) or perhaps it's a Cop 13er where all Town are unaware Millers and the Mafia are all Godfathers.

Jay is hosting and you think those things are possible smh

[TonyStarkPrime]

The mechanical intrigue part is missing in the OP, keep it in mind and don't forget about it please.

My guess would be a Mafia Framer and Town Cop, or perhaps a Mafia role that invalidates player's votes (Jay likes roles that mess with vote powers) or perhaps it's a Cop 13er where all Town are unaware Millers and the Mafia are all Godfathers.

I scum read you hard for this. So early and you are already trying to create confusion.

I don’t think this is a good read

[TonyStarkPrime]

Dizzy asked about the Dizzy TR too and Tutuu hasn’t answered yet. This has been noted.

[TonyStarkPrime]

And I’m back out

[Long Con]

Dizzy asked about the Dizzy TR too and Tutuu hasn’t answered yet. This has been noted.

Has tutuu been back in the thread since?

[tutuu]

It would appear I have 9 notifications. What, am I famous. Also the post count of the thread seems to have doubled in the last 3 hours. That's pretty cool, I take my words back.

[tutuu]

► Show Spoiler

I've been reading but I'm not sure if this is a real day phase or not, I've never started on D0 before.

This is a period for everyone to check in. Day 1 will begin tomorrow, and then people can vote.

Congratulations on becoming the second civilian on my list.

Why? Because I didn't know about the D0 mechanic?

It was your phrasing.

"I've been reading but I'm not sure if this is a real day phase or not, I've never started on D0 before."

Your first post indicates to me that you have a character lined up and ready to play as, and then I call you out on the one post you made.

You look like you are waiting for Day 1 to begin.

Yah, I assume that D0 was not a real game phase day, like we could choose to post or not and it wouldn't be counted towards reads and judgement, sort of like an introduction to players phase.

That being said, do you think that is alignment indicative? Because to me it is NAI.

I scumread the post. To me the "I think its NAI" and "No player judgement" is truthful but could be a scummy excuse of someone who was worried he wasn't posting Day 0 and could have been worried he would be scumread off of it.

Also, my townreads are TonyStarkPrime, Epignosis and Dyslexicon. (Seanzie and Made were not)

I disagree, not knowing what to do in D0 in completely NAI. I don’t deserve a town read for it as much as I don’t deserve a scum read for it.

I suspect you though. I don’t trust people giving easy townreads early D1 or in this case D0.
Why do you town read all those people?

I don't feel like going into it right now.

[tutuu]

Also, my townreads are TonyStarkPrime, Epignosis and Dyslexicon. (Seanzie and Made were not)

Why for me?

I don't feel like going into it right now.

[tutuu]

The mechanical intrigue part is missing in the OP, keep it in mind and don't forget about it please.

My guess would be a Mafia Framer and Town Cop, or perhaps a Mafia role that invalidates player's votes (Jay likes roles that mess with vote powers) or perhaps it's a Cop 13er where all Town are unaware Millers and the Mafia are all Godfathers.

I scum read you hard for this. So early and you are already trying to create confusion.

Quote the opposite. I am trying to solve since I am Town-aligned. The sign-up thread written by the host announced that there will be some amount of "mechanical intrigue". Therefore, I am reminding of this ITT and I am speculating on what it could be.

[tutuu]

Also, my townreads are TonyStarkPrime, Epignosis and Dyslexicon. (Seanzie and Made were not)

Why for me?

I suspect you though. I don’t trust people giving easy townreads early D1 or in this case D0.
Why do you town read all those people?

I think this is pretty normal for Tutu tbh. It's pretty normal for a lot of players, myself included. They even tend to be good. =p

You either answered your own question or you are contradicting yourself.

I think the perception here from Guillotina is towny. I didn't even notice this about Dizzy's posts, but I can imagine Guillotina reading them in detail and pointing out the contradiction. My scumread on Guillotina is reversed to a townread.

[tutuu]

@Long Con @Master Radishes @Marmot Requests. On a scale of 1 to 100, please rate your perceived strength of Epignosis as a wolf player.

My understanding is that it isn't as strong as his town game.

I realize that's not saying much, because town Epi is stronk

Thank you for the answer.

Epi is town then. He starts the game by wrongly scumreading me right after our last game where he wrongly scumread me and he talked about how disappointed he is at himself.

Therefore, if he was mafia here, he:

1) Believes his case to misyeet me is solid, so he pushes it
2) Purposely makes a wrong scumread based off of little reason to mimic his town game

Since your claim that his scum game is not as strong as town game, I'm elimination option 2.

Between option 1, and the option of Epi being town and believing his read that me and Seanzie roleplaying The Office makes us mafia/mafia partners, I'm leaning to believe the latter.

Ergo, I townread Epi.

[tutuu]

Did tutuu actually roll scum this game? Methinks yes.

Imagine playing multiple games with me where I was town and you knew I was town due to your TMI, being scum teammates with me when I rolled scum and having TMI on me from the start and seeing how I play like from the start, and still getting me wrong.

[tutuu]

seanzie town

I'm always town.

False. This statement is incorrect. Lie. False positive. Untruth.

I will call out every single lie and false truth posted by anyone in this thread.

This aggressive post leads to the following:

Question. What kind of bear is best.

Question. What kind of bear is best.

That's a ridiculus question.

False. Black bear.

Question. What kind of bear is best.

That's a ridiculus question.

False. Black bear.

Well, that's debatable. There are basically two schools of thought...

Fact.

Bears eat beets.

Bears.

Beets.

Battlestar Galactica.

The rest of it is fine, it's just that one aggressive post mixed in that looks kinda forced. I agree with the scummate interaction theory proposed by Epignosis.

The first post was aggressive as a joke. That's the type of humor I was representing. The scummate teammate interaction theory is absurd.

[tutuu]

Dizzy asked about the Dizzy TR too and Tutuu hasn’t answered yet. This has been noted.

Yeah this post is atrocious. I was clearly not present in the thread. Removing my townread on Tony, as this could be one of those posts wolves make where they point out something that could be perceived as scummy by a townsperson, and they don't do anything with it, they just point it out, see if another townsperson scumreads based off of it.

[tutuu]

Nothing I have posted has been scummy. The scumreads on me are silly. You guys are scumreading the first person to stick their nose up and make multiple posts in the thread. How often does your strategy result in you correctly scumreading members of the Mafia?

[tutuu]

Dizzy asked about the Dizzy TR too and Tutuu hasn’t answered yet. This has been noted.

Has tutuu been back in the thread since?

I believe that this might be sort of scummy from Long Con, as (I believe) he ignored some of the stuff happening earlier, and what he pointed out here is true, but it's also something wolves do. Point out obvious truths / misunderstanding in naked and discrete posts like this.

[Guillotine]

The mechanical intrigue part is missing in the OP, keep it in mind and don't forget about it please.

My guess would be a Mafia Framer and Town Cop, or perhaps a Mafia role that invalidates player's votes (Jay likes roles that mess with vote powers) or perhaps it's a Cop 13er where all Town are unaware Millers and the Mafia are all Godfathers.

Jay is hosting and you think those things are possible smh

The mechanical intrigue part is missing in the OP, keep it in mind and don't forget about it please.

My guess would be a Mafia Framer and Town Cop, or perhaps a Mafia role that invalidates player's votes (Jay likes roles that mess with vote powers) or perhaps it's a Cop 13er where all Town are unaware Millers and the Mafia are all Godfathers.

I scum read you hard for this. So early and you are already trying to create confusion.

I don’t think this is a good read

No? Then explain this.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The mechanical intrigue part is missing in the OP, keep it in mind and don't forget about it please.

My guess would be a Mafia Framer and Town Cop, or perhaps a Mafia role that invalidates player's votes (Jay likes roles that mess with vote powers) or perhaps it's a Cop 13er where all Town are unaware Millers and the Mafia are all Godfathers.

Jay is hosting and you think those things are possible smh

The mechanical intrigue part is missing in the OP, keep it in mind and don't forget about it please.

My guess would be a Mafia Framer and Town Cop, or perhaps a Mafia role that invalidates player's votes (Jay likes roles that mess with vote powers) or perhaps it's a Cop 13er where all Town are unaware Millers and the Mafia are all Godfathers.

I scum read you hard for this. So early and you are already trying to create confusion.

I don’t think this is a good read

No? Then explain this.

It’s not trying to create confusion it’s just wrong

[TonyStarkPrime]

Dizzy asked about the Dizzy TR too and Tutuu hasn’t answered yet. This has been noted.

Has tutuu been back in the thread since?

I believe that this might be sort of scummy from Long Con, as (I believe) he ignored some of the stuff happening earlier, and what he pointed out here is true, but it's also something wolves do. Point out obvious truths / misunderstanding in naked and discrete posts like this.

well I clearly missed it :P

[tutuu]

If you want a better reason to scumread Tutuu though, look at how she seemed like she wanted to townread me pretty bad, until people started suggesting her and I might be scum together, and now she is not townreading me. She knows that we are not scum together, so she isn't basing her read on me off the same thing the rest of the thread is (her and me being potential scummates), but I haven't seen any other reason why she went from town--->not town on me, and that I think is a bit suspicious.

I think the speculation here is towny. I never townread you and Made, I was simply getting the game started. However this looks solid to me.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tutuu are you still in character

[tutuu]

Dizzy asked about the Dizzy TR too and Tutuu hasn’t answered yet. This has been noted.

Has tutuu been back in the thread since?

I believe that this might be sort of scummy from Long Con, as (I believe) he ignored some of the stuff happening earlier, and what he pointed out here is true, but it's also something wolves do. Point out obvious truths / misunderstanding in naked and discrete posts like this.

well I clearly missed it :P

Irrelevant to my point, I believe it was obvious for everyone else. If I am town and Long Con is scum that post was aimed to make me townread him. If you are town, and I was in your shoes, I would think the same towards me (me in your shoes) (suspecting Long Con for that).

[tutuu]

Tutuu are you still in character

Humans are not one dimensional creatures, they are fluid in their personality.

[Guillotine]

The mechanical intrigue part is missing in the OP, keep it in mind and don't forget about it please.

My guess would be a Mafia Framer and Town Cop, or perhaps a Mafia role that invalidates player's votes (Jay likes roles that mess with vote powers) or perhaps it's a Cop 13er where all Town are unaware Millers and the Mafia are all Godfathers.

Jay is hosting and you think those things are possible smh

The mechanical intrigue part is missing in the OP, keep it in mind and don't forget about it please.

My guess would be a Mafia Framer and Town Cop, or perhaps a Mafia role that invalidates player's votes (Jay likes roles that mess with vote powers) or perhaps it's a Cop 13er where all Town are unaware Millers and the Mafia are all Godfathers.

I scum read you hard for this. So early and you are already trying to create confusion.

I don’t think this is a good read

No? Then explain this.

It’s not trying to create confusion it’s just wrong

Then explain why you are shaking your head off to her mechanics ridiculous speculation