Grasslands [Game Thread]

[tutuu]

people usually tell me wtf tutuu why have u towncleared 3 quarters of the game by page 7

so im surprised to see that i have no reads, and ppl already going wild with the townreads. hmm. maybe some change has occured.i cant wait to experience the change further, see where it leads

[Thunal33]

tutuu town
spf prob town
martin and nanook light townleans
sloonei, hally, thunal have done nothing ai, all of their posts so far can easily be in their scumranges imo

What have all these town reads done that is outside of their respective scumranges?

I'm wondering the same thing - I don't know tutuu but I've spectated spf's finals game and I know she's a top tier player so she would probably have a good scum game even though I haven't seen it.

[tutuu]

tutuu town
spf prob town
martin and nanook light townleans
sloonei, hally, thunal have done nothing ai, all of their posts so far can easily be in their scumranges imo

What have all these town reads done that is outside of their respective scumranges?

if u think nutella is town why are u asking her to explain her reads? at least to me it looks like a "i am asking u this to try to guess ur alignment better" question rather than "i am asking u cuz i wanna see what i can sheep" question

[MartinGG99]

I also think I can town-lean Thunal33 so far.

His explanation didn't match what I think a scum would be possibly inclined to say.

[Sloonei]

can you articulate your sloonei townread that you had off of his first post nutella? (its ok if u cant, i cant articulate mine)

i didnt say i townread him i said spf did

nutella town

why do u tr nutella for that post?

She’s not letting her reads be influenced by the question. Her original statement re:sloonei was ambiguojs and she didn’t let it be construed as something that it wasn’t. That seems like a good strong nutella-town mindset.

[Sloonei]

tutuu town
spf prob town
martin and nanook light townleans
sloonei, hally, thunal have done nothing ai, all of their posts so far can easily be in their scumranges imo

What have all these town reads done that is outside of their respective scumranges?

if u think nutella is town why are u asking her to explain her reads? at least to me it looks like a "i am asking u this to try to guess ur alignment better" question rather than "i am asking u cuz i wanna see what i can sheep" question

I am not done reading nutella, and regardless of what I think of her I think we would benefit from having this information brought out in the thread.

Do you object to this question?

[staypositivefriend]

I also think I can town-lean Thunal33 so far.

His explanation didn't match what I think a scum would be possibly inclined to say.

can you expand on this a little bit more? how would you expect scum to react to your question, and how did her answer differ?

[tutuu]

Do you object to this question?

wtf? do u rly expect any answer different than no here?

[nutella]

tutuu town
spf prob town
martin and nanook light townleans
sloonei, hally, thunal have done nothing ai, all of their posts so far can easily be in their scumranges imo

What have all these town reads done that is outside of their respective scumranges?

I've never seen the first three as scum so big shrug lol

and nanook is nanook, of course he's not outside of his scumrange but his comment about his record was good and I'd rather townlean him to begin with and see what he does

[Thunal33]

I also think I can town-lean Thunal33 so far.

His explanation didn't match what I think a scum would be possibly inclined to say.

What do you think a scum would be inclined to say?

[Dyslexicon]

[mention]tutuu[/mention]
[mention]Hally[/mention]
[mention]Long Con[/mention]
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]
[mention]Sloonei[/mention]
[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]
[mention]staypositivefriend[/mention]
[mention]Thunal33[/mention]
[mention]nutella[/mention]
[mention]MartinGG99[/mention]
[mention]Alison[/mention]
[mention]Carotenoid[/mention]
[mention]Scirrus[/mention]

* Um. I'm unsure if the poll works the way I want it to work. I'm unfamiliar with the poll creation on Cindy Kate, as it's my first time hosting here. I'm currently trying to fix the poll so that one can add a vote at any time, but never subtract one. Please be patient while I'm doing my best to be less clumsy. (PM me for any suggestions if you have knowledge about how polls work).

But as long as you all also vote with vote tags in thread, we should be fine regardless!

Do not discuss this in thread. Thanks.

[nutella]

yeah I don't think there's a way to only add votes without making them all changeable, I think we'll have to make them all at once lol

[Sloonei]

Do you object to this question?

wtf? do u rly expect any answer different than no here?

I didn’t have any particular answer in mind. I wanted to know why you were asking and what your response to me would be.

You’ve commented on your own lack of town reads so far relative to the general thread climate. Can you talk some more about that? Are there any town reads/leans you’ve seen that you actively disagree with?

[tutuu]

Do you object to this question?

wtf? do u rly expect any answer different than no here?

I didn’t have any particular answer in mind. I wanted to know why you were asking and what your response to me would be.

You’ve commented on your own lack of town reads so far relative to the general thread climate. Can you talk some more about that? Are there any town reads/leans you’ve seen that you actively disagree with?

nah i dont disagree with anything. ppl are free to read ppl for whatever they want, they could always see something im not seeing, i try not to knock on ppl doors usually when i play

[Dyslexicon]

@tutuu
@Hally
@Long Con
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Sloonei
@novaselinenever
@staypositivefriend
@Thunal33
@nutella
@MartinGG99
@Alison
@Carotenoid
@Scirrus

* Um. I'm unsure if the poll works the way I want it to work. I'm unfamiliar with the poll creation on Cindy Kate, as it's my first time hosting here. I'm currently trying to fix the poll so that one can add a vote at any time, but never subtract one. Please be patient while I'm doing my best to be less clumsy. (PM me for any suggestions if you have knowledge about how polls work).

But as long as you all also vote with vote tags in thread, we should be fine regardless!

Do not discuss this in thread. Thanks.

I made the votes technically changeable, but that doesn't mean you're allowed to change them! This is only so that you will be able to add votes at any time during the day. Vote tags in thread as well, players! Thanks!

[Sloonei]

yeah I don't think there's a way to only add votes without making them all changeable, I think we'll have to make them all at once lol

if the poll itself is uncooperative we could always resort to manual voting, but that adds like two extra steps to the game.

[MartinGG99]

I also think I can town-lean Thunal33 so far.

His explanation didn't match what I think a scum would be possibly inclined to say.

can you expand on this a little bit more? how would you expect scum to react to your question, and how did her answer differ?

I think a scum would point to my aforementioned level of experience in FM games with regards to my comfort level in response. As in, that would be the easy argument to make; a new player who's scum may be more uncomfortable than most players.

Instead, Thunal33 starts talking about themselves in comparison, and that's why they think my comfort level can be AI at the moment.

As to whether that's something they can do as part of one's "scumrange", I don't know and time will tell.

For the moment though, I think that process of thought or reasoning was more likely to be from town than scum.

[tutuu]

i dont think martin and thunal are not w/w. i did a thing

[tutuu]

no like

dont think theyre w/w. but then i forgot i wrote dont. so ichanged it to not. so double ngative. but i wanted single negative

[MartinGG99]

I also think I can town-lean Thunal33 so far.

His explanation didn't match what I think a scum would be possibly inclined to say.

What do you think a scum would be inclined to say?

See my last post. In order to conserve posts, I won't be doing this ("see my last post") much.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ok fine I’ll make one more

Optimal is for everyone to vote [n-Nanook] where n is all the players

Then nanook votes one person

Then you all give me a gun at night and I shoot it and scum dies

Rinse and repeat


K now I’m done posting

[Long Con]

Who has played this setup before?

[Carotenoid]

Hello!

[tutuu]

Hello!

[Sloonei]

[mention]MartinGG99[/mention] plz

hello all

First, a small disclaimer: I'm relatively new to FM, and I only have about 6 games across all sites I've been on.

4 of them so far have been on my home-site, sc2mafia.com

So I hope you all can bear with me if I do something foolish or don't completely understand something initially.

If you have any questions regarding me, feel free to ask! IF not, I hope I can contribute to this game in some meaningful way

Welcome welcome! How have your forum games gone so far? What strategies have worked for you or appealed to you? How do you plan on approaching this game?

[tutuu]

growing up and changing urself is fun. i keep alternating beween scumread sux townread rox but now i have no townreads and wanna do a scummie

i wanna say i lightly scumread u sloonei boyo

(i was about to begin my next line with butter my biscuits but then i googled it and its actually something sexual WTF????? i have used it before in a completely innocent way, cuz that unit from starcraft 1 says it, the marine i think, wtf?)

ANYWAY.

SLOONEI.

do NOT butter my biscuits

but i wanna say i lightly scumread u cuz

can you articulate your sloonei townread that you had off of his first post nutella? (its ok if u cant, i cant articulate mine)

i didnt say i townread him i said spf did

nutella town

why do u tr nutella for that post?

She’s not letting her reads be influenced by the question. Her original statement re:sloonei was ambiguojs and she didn’t let it be construed as something that it wasn’t. That seems like a good strong nutella-town mindset.

i think this read is a stretch. nutella corrected my misunerstanding thats all. ur townreading her cuz ur assuming wolf!nutella would just go along with my misunderstanding? and she would now pretend she townreads sloonei when she originally didnt want to fake that, all cuz i misunderstood her? u wot mate?

[Long Con]

Now I have to look up the biscuits thing.

[Thunal33]

I also think I can town-lean Thunal33 so far.

His explanation didn't match what I think a scum would be possibly inclined to say.

can you expand on this a little bit more? how would you expect scum to react to your question, and how did her answer differ?

I think a scum would point to my aforementioned level of experience in FM games with regards to my comfort level in response. As in, that would be the easy argument to make; a new player who's scum may be more uncomfortable than most players.

Instead, Thunal33 starts talking about themselves in comparison, and that's why they think my comfort level can be AI at the moment.

As to whether that's something they can do as part of one's "scumrange", I don't know and time will tell.

For the moment though, I think that process of thought or reasoning was more likely to be from town than scum.

That makes sense, I don't think I would talk about how I'm often nervous at the start as scum if I'm nervous scum.

[dunya]

hi cuties, how cool is this, i'm so excited to be modding my first dizzy game! i'm your friendly face, and moderator on duty or game facilitator. that means my job is to make sure everyone has as much fun in this game as possible. please reach out to me if you're having any problems with another player, the host, the game, or just feel frustrated about anything! i'm always here to help. and when emotions run high as they do in any competitive sport, remember we're all friends here, playing a fun game of mafia. good luck! x

[Carotenoid]

omg tutuu I love you

[Sloonei]

nutella's response reminds me of the type of thing i will say when people misunderstand my (often deliberately) confusing words early in games.

nutella-or-sloonei says X.
Player asks nutella-or-sloonei about Y.
nutella-or-sloonei stresses Not Y, Only X.

I like it. It's a thing I do when I'm town. I see nutella do it and think town.

at tutuu

[tutuu]

hi cuties, how cool is this, i'm so excited to be modding my first dizzy game! i'm your friendly face, and moderator on duty or game facilitator. that means my job is to make sure everyone has as much fun in this game as possible. please reach out to me if you're having any problems with another player, the host, the game, or just feel frustrated about anything! i'm always here to help. and when emotions run high as they do in any competitive sport, remember we're all friends here, playing a fun game of mafia. good luck! x

why hello there sweet cheeks

[tutuu]

omg tutuu I love you

love u 10 times more fluffy ears!

[dunya]

just confirmed: tutuu has stolen my heart and i am hers forever.

[Thunal33]

Who has played this setup before?

I have once before on PerC awhile ago but it didn't go very well lol. Here's the time I played it: https://www.personalitycafe.com/threads ... d.1322681/

[tutuu]

just confirmed: tutuu has stolen my heart and i am hers forever.

[mention]Timsup2nothin[/mention]



nya nya nya nya nya nya u mad bro? u mad bro? u mad bro? u mad bro? u jelly? u jelly? u jelly? huh huh huh?

[MartinGG99]

@MartinGG99 plz

hello all

First, a small disclaimer: I'm relatively new to FM, and I only have about 6 games across all sites I've been on.

4 of them so far have been on my home-site, sc2mafia.com

So I hope you all can bear with me if I do something foolish or don't completely understand something initially.

If you have any questions regarding me, feel free to ask! IF not, I hope I can contribute to this game in some meaningful way

Welcome welcome! How have your forum games gone so far? What strategies have worked for you or appealed to you? How do you plan on approaching this game?

Oh, sorry! I missed this.

My strategy is kinda at a fluid moment, at least my town one. I'm not sure about it. Im on phone at the moment, so my typing is a fair bit slower.

Basically, when I orignally started out, I did a bunch of studying of games but what I first came across was the Champs. What really appealed to me at the time was JJJ's spreadsheets on game 6. While I didnt read the whole game or the entire championships (I probably have, but dont remember due having to remember college sttuffs as of late). On my first few games I took a really strict approach to try to collect reads and what not, but then i quickly found a fair few bits of it faults. Ive also learned (thanks to an MU user named Quick) the importance of always hiding some thoughts or information even as town.

Right now, I guess im going with the flow of my mind at the moment. My last game was on an anonymous ?krc game on my homesite (as S-FM Jolly Rancher), and I was super happy that when i took a tone or gut scum read I was actually right on that read for once as town lol. So im still debating more "methodical" play and just "gut" play, if that makes sense.

My scum game is lukely going to be similar to how it was in Spirits II though. I think I did fairly well there all things considered (except fall on my face at finding the thrid party Virus). Here's the link:

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthre ... dder-Game)

Though, of course, my play as scum needs a few improvements.

[Sloonei]

nutella's response reminds me of the type of thing i will say when people misunderstand my (often deliberately) confusing words early in games.

nutella-or-sloonei says X.
Player asks nutella-or-sloonei about Y.
nutella-or-sloonei stresses Not Y, Only X.

I like it. It's a thing I do when I'm town. I see nutella do it and think town.

at tutuu

I would also note that the "misunderstanding" is irrelevant: a hypothetical mafioso might be less sure of their position right there. Even if tutuu is misunderstanding their initial point, they might see the question and think they need to come up with an answer for it. Instead nutella just stuck to the initial point and didn't budge.

[tutuu]

nutella's response reminds me of the type of thing i will say when people misunderstand my (often deliberately) confusing words early in games.

nutella-or-sloonei says X.
Player asks nutella-or-sloonei about Y.
nutella-or-sloonei stresses Not Y, Only X.

I like it. It's a thing I do when I'm town. I see nutella do it and think town.

at tutuu

I would also note that the "misunderstanding" is irrelevant: a hypothetical mafioso might be less sure of their position right there. Even if tutuu is misunderstanding their initial point, they might see the question and think they need to come up with an answer for it. Instead nutella just stuck to the initial point and didn't budge.

alright fair enuff. i wouldnt make a read like that cuz its based off on a large assumption imo (u townreading nutella based off a sloonei towntell) but its fine that u choose to townread her for it, u can still be town, u can still be correct on her being town and all those jolly good stuff

[Sloonei]

@MartinGG99 plz

hello all

First, a small disclaimer: I'm relatively new to FM, and I only have about 6 games across all sites I've been on.

4 of them so far have been on my home-site, sc2mafia.com

So I hope you all can bear with me if I do something foolish or don't completely understand something initially.

If you have any questions regarding me, feel free to ask! IF not, I hope I can contribute to this game in some meaningful way

Welcome welcome! How have your forum games gone so far? What strategies have worked for you or appealed to you? How do you plan on approaching this game?

Oh, sorry! I missed this.

My strategy is kinda at a fluid moment, at least my town one. I'm not sure about it. Im on phone at the moment, so my typing is a fair bit slower.

Basically, when I orignally started out, I did a bunch of studying of games but what I first came across was the Champs. What really appealed to me at the time was JJJ's spreadsheets on game 6. While I didnt read the whole game or the entire championships (I probably have, but dont remember due having to remember college sttuffs as of late). On my first few games I took a really strict approach to try to collect reads and what not, but then i quickly found a fair few bits of it faults. Ive also learned (thanks to an MU user named Quick) the importance of always hiding some thoughts or information even as town.

Right now, I guess im going with the flow of my mind at the moment. My last game was on an anonymous ?krc game on my homesite (as S-FM Jolly Rancher), and I was super happy that when i took a tone or gut scum read I was actually right on that read for once as town lol. So im still debating more "methodical" play and just "gut" play, if that makes sense.

My scum game is lukely going to be similar to how it was in Spirits II though. I think I did fairly well there all things considered (except fall on my face at finding the thrid party Virus). Here's the link:

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthre ... dder-Game)

Though, of course, my play as scum needs a few improvements.

Groovy, thanks.
What sort of things do you look for when you're reading people?

[Long Con]

Groovy?

[Sloonei]

Groovy?

Groovy, Long Con. Groovy. Far out.

Is anything groovy or not groovy to you so far in this game?

[tutuu]

Groovy?

wait u rly dont know groovy? ur between gen X and millenials right. interesting u never heard of it. it means, like. swag

i wanna townread the L to the C cuz he seems very very preoccupied with expanding his slang vocabulary. i vibe with it (like i can empathize with posting itt whatever u want and not caring if ppl might not townread u when u rand town)

its a bit of a stretch logically thinking but i emotionally speaking it feesl good about making the read so here we go

[MartinGG99]

Groovy, thanks.
What sort of things do you look for when you're reading people?

1. Anything I haven't said before that i would find as AI. For example, I probably wont repeat or reuse the information I just publically said for Town leaning Thunal33. Scum, if they wanted to, could abuse information I give out if its too much in order to manipulate me. Quick taught me this, when i was scum for the first time.

2. I used to look for associations a lot but I'm trying to move away on that a bit given my scum game where I failed to find the Virus before it was too late for a wolf win. Though this isn't to say I don't use it as a reaons at all.

I generally dont answer broad questions like this, so i try to be very context specific with the information or arguments that i give out. However, if I make a case I will very rarely hide information or reasons from my perspective .

[tutuu]

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention]

tutuu
Hally
Long Con
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Sloonei
novaselinenever
staypositivefriend
Thunal33
nutella
MartinGG99
Alison
Carotenoid
Scirrus

[staypositivefriend]

I also think I can town-lean Thunal33 so far.

His explanation didn't match what I think a scum would be possibly inclined to say.

can you expand on this a little bit more? how would you expect scum to react to your question, and how did her answer differ?

I think a scum would point to my aforementioned level of experience in FM games with regards to my comfort level in response. As in, that would be the easy argument to make; a new player who's scum may be more uncomfortable than most players.

Instead, Thunal33 starts talking about themselves in comparison, and that's why they think my comfort level can be AI at the moment.

As to whether that's something they can do as part of one's "scumrange", I don't know and time will tell.

For the moment though, I think that process of thought or reasoning was more likely to be from town than scum.

i like this response from martin, and it's because my approach to scumhunting is very similar to the reasoning he's using to townread thunal (ie: coming in with an assumption of how the scum is likely to act and then measuring that w/the actions of the players)

i actually had a different feeling from thunal's opening read on you, though. i've noticed that scum usually feels pressured to out reads early on to give the impression of gamesolving, and thunal outing a tr on you almost immediately raised my eyebrows a little bit. still, i can believe that you believe it

Hello!

hey carrote! it's nice to play with you again

[MartinGG99]

i like this response from martin, and it's because my approach to scumhunting is very similar to the reasoning he's using to townread thunal (ie: coming in with an assumption of how the scum is likely to act and then measuring that w/the actions of the players)

i actually had a different feeling from thunal's opening read on you, though. i've noticed that scum usually feels pressured to out reads early on to give the impression of gamesolving, and thunal outing a tr on you almost immediately raised my eyebrows a little bit. still, i can believe that you believe it

I tend to think the timing aspect of early reads aren't AI, though I'm sure there are people who would disagree. I will admit though, I didnt think of the "scum out reads earlier than usual" aspect.

I value game discussion/progression, and an early read promotes that very well in most cases. Or at least I think it does.

[Thunal33]

i like this response from martin, and it's because my approach to scumhunting is very similar to the reasoning he's using to townread thunal (ie: coming in with an assumption of how the scum is likely to act and then measuring that w/the actions of the players)

i actually had a different feeling from thunal's opening read on you, though. i've noticed that scum usually feels pressured to out reads early on to give the impression of gamesolving, and thunal outing a tr on you almost immediately raised my eyebrows a little bit. still, i can believe that you believe it

I tend to think the timing aspect of early reads aren't AI, though I'm sure there are people who would disagree. I will admit though, I didnt think of the "scum out reads earlier than usual" aspect.

I value game discussion/progression, and an early read promotes that very well in most cases. Or at least I think it does.

I would agree that the timing of reads isn't AI overall. It might be for some players specifically but I actually tend to have the opposite trend, as scum I like to fluff and delay posting reads.

[tutuu]

wtf why yall aint posting. yall shy?

[tutuu]

well i hope for like 7 new pages when i wake up! im, like, a social vampire dude, i need yall to post to recharge me with energy. come here and let me suck ur vitality