Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

Would you like to see a hammer lynch tomorrow?

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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 4]

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The best thing about autocorrect is turning misspellings into new words altogether.
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 2]

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Nanook doesn't meaningfully engage with sig until Night 2:
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:39 am
sig wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:08 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:52 am A question: if we all know what a derp looks like, and we all could reasonably emulate it, why don’t you see it more often? I can’t remember the last time scum town cleated themself with something like that.
The only possible example in this game is Sig going after Radish for saying baddie. Sig might have been right. Ironically, because he might have been right, I need to re-examine Sig.
Yea maybe listen to sigs wild theories next time and we could've lynched scum day 1.
Uh listening to you D1 wouldve TKed me, so....pass :p
While this gets a playful tongue face, it's worth remembering that Nanook had a different role Day 1.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:40 pm To be clear I don’t super care about sig’s theory, but nothing between yesterday and today made me think “oh mac isn’t mafia”
These are two independent trains of thought regardless.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:46 pm To be clear I support a Mac TK and still think he’s >rand scum

Just don’t think he’s scum on the team I’m prioritizing today

SVS and tranq are also votes I’m happy with. Maybe even Dom, though he seems kinda different than what I remember from being his teammate.
I don't get this. "To be clear" (again, because Nanook must be aware that in some respect he isn't being clear), Mac should die but not "today." Which team were you prioritizing and why? And why were prioritizing teams?

And is that "player salad" I detect? :smoky: "Mac is bad, but Mac isn't on the team I want to lynch, but maybe lynch Dom."

Folks, this is mafia.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:09 am I mean I guess if I squint I can see sig making a bad “slip” read to get pushback (thus discouraging cases against radish) then tying me and radish together and pushing me over him based on me defending him...

Idk I guess I could see it as a stretch but I would TK so many people over him today
This is making excuses for sig instead of making sig explain himself.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:14 am Uh sig isn’t gonna die today, lol. There are at minimum 4 better choices 🤷‍♀️

And I’m saying that as someone who had him as my second blow up choice lol
"There are at minimum 4 better choices (shrug)" (but I'm not going to name any of them).

++++

I'm stopping there.

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Are you in the middle of a trip to the northwest USA? Cause that's some nice cherrypicking you've got there.
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:20 pm Are you in the middle of a trip to the northwest USA? Cause that's some nice cherrypicking you've got there.
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:49 pm I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow 🤷‍♀️
This is something you've not followed up on. It's another blanket thing to throw out there. You don't name anybody doing this.
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Town
Jack, Dom, Tony

Possibly Antimonitor
Michelle (probably just town), Sig (confirmed), Nanook, Sprityo

Possibly Master
Epi (probably just town), Jay, Juliets, Sloonei, TH, Speed (but probably not)

Possibly either scumteam
Tranq, Colin, GMan, Ted


Change my mind. Like in particular, tell me who I have as possibly on a scumteam they probably aren’t really on.
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I agree about Dom. Why is Tony good?
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Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:37 pm I agree about Dom. Why is Tony good?
His treatment of Mac and when I was isoing somebody else, I found him putting up a good argument to lynch Sig or more likely Radishes, I forget which.
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Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:49 pm I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow 🤷‍♀️
This is something you've not followed up on. It's another blanket thing to throw out there. You don't name anybody doing this.
Nutella was the hardest push on it and it looked weird, she flipped town, no need to follow up 🤷‍♀️
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:34 pm I’ll vote Radishes over Mac. I think a Mac lynch is wildly random, he’s at least hunting. In multiball or whatever that might be less effective, but I think his insight has been good.
But then he was all over Mac D3.

I have a hard time believing either but was bussing.
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:49 pm I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow 🤷‍♀️
This is something you've not followed up on. It's another blanket thing to throw out there. You don't name anybody doing this.
Nutella was the hardest push on it and it looked weird, she flipped town, no need to follow up 🤷‍♀️
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Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:49 pm I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow 🤷‍♀️
This is something you've not followed up on. It's another blanket thing to throw out there. You don't name anybody doing this.
Nutella was the hardest push on it and it looked weird, she flipped town, no need to follow up 🤷‍♀️
Who's bad in here?
Not sure tbh. Haven’t really had time to go through vote stuff, initial leaning is like you sprit Colin in some order

I think I had some reason for backing off Colin D2 but I don’t remember it tbh, gonna have to go back and check when/if I have time
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I'm looking forward to your observations.
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I wouldn’t hold my breath tbh, I’m pretty busy this game day 🤷‍♀️
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I don't mind freeing you up then. :)
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I think I’m a pretty easy push for scum to make tbh
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:46 am I think I’m a pretty easy push for scum to make tbh
Yep.

And I'm about to make you an easy push for a civilian to make TBBHGHBGHGHG.
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Ok 🤷‍♀️

I’ve only had like two or three good reads this game so it’s fine
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[VOTE: tedextr] aubergine
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GtH tedextr civ or scum? [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] [mention]Dom[/mention] [mention]Epignosis[/mention] [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] [mention]sprityo[/mention] [mention]s~v~s[/mention] [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention]
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I think gth is stupid and refuse to participate in it 🤷‍♀️
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[VOTE: sprityo ] aubergine
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prob highest anti-monitor equity in the thread as of right now.
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Turnip Head wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:30 am GtH tedextr civ or scum? @ColinIsCool @Dom @Epignosis @Jackofhearts2005 @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @sprityo @s~v~s @Dyslexicon
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I don’t understand why we’d even lynch for antimonitor equity.

2 wolves on that team, one has been IDed and isn’t here.

The other team has 3 wolves and....Jay, Sloonei and Juliets aren’t here but still.
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he needs me to defend me, his read on me is bogus, he's not in same thread as sig, nobody's defending him, he needs to pocket me and i've been pocketed way too many times by frolicking wolves before

nothing about my play indicates his reasoning for town reading me here, not to mention he barely has any understanding of my town meta. his pre-conceived idea of how I play should've landed him easily on one of my posts and thus expressing a town read on them. he's stalling. he doesn't have a reason for town reading me, his reads list is weaksauce and he has no suspect.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] why do you town read sprit off that horrible list again?

also, he has th and nook pinned to the wall for a colin early vote and nothing else, which is the surface level of a wolf posting just to survive. not to mention he now has all 3 of them at likely candidates for wolves.

also the amount of cherry picking on that nanook push is baffling, "don't you have other reads, you have a lot more posts"

man's had a 6 page iso and in his 6th he replaced a vacant slot. he had plenty of them. what the fuck are you even talking about?

he moved the goal posts from "nanook didn't have an explanation for his colin vote, thus it appears opportunistic" - and when once presented with the reason for the push - he goes "ok but don't you have any other reads?"

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:05 pm I don’t understand why we’d even lynch for antimonitor equity.

2 wolves on that team, one has been IDed and isn’t here.

The other team has 3 wolves and....Jay, Sloonei and Juliets aren’t here but still.
i'm lynching for scum equity but this would explain a lot of his early hedge off radishes and sig, where he blatantly goes "idgaf about the radishes , nook, sig fight" and focuses on mac instead lol.

then he makes a sarcastic colored post saying all 3 of those plus him should vote jack to make a tie or something.

i just lynch wolf behaviour, this is an extra guess of mine, you know how it goes
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jack what's that switch on me? i honestly am starting to wonder about your little jabs as well.
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tedxtr wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:17 pm jack what's that switch on me? i honestly am starting to wonder about your little jabs as well.
I’m just generally townreading you but haven’t seen a reason you can’t be scum with one or both teams.

As opposed to like Epi, who I think specifically isn’t on either team.

Is there a reason to think you shouldn’t be on either team?
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Hi guys, I didn't have the permissions to view this thread until now so I was pretty in the dark as to what's been going on but I just got in and found out I died anyway lol. :sigh: and SVS too, though it's nice her role confirmed sig is bad -- some of the theorizing during the night phase was starting to make me worry he had a higher chance of being town than I thought but never mind that. Not that you guys in this dream level or whatever can lynch him anyway apparently. (I can only view this one btw) I haven't read any of the day phase yet but looking at the poll the names I'm most concerned with are TH and Ted. Though several others I'm pretty null on. I don't think I'll be much help here.
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 4]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:21 pm
tedxtr wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:17 pm jack what's that switch on me? i honestly am starting to wonder about your little jabs as well.
I’m just generally townreading you but haven’t seen a reason you can’t be scum with one or both teams.

As opposed to like Epi, who I think specifically isn’t on either team.

Is there a reason to think you shouldn’t be on either team?
yeah i'm town

like i honestly don't know what answer you wanted here. what's this question achieving. were you expecting to town case myself, i've never done that lmao. it's because i'm so irrational to the point where town casing myself would sell nothing for you and you know it. when have you ever played a game with me and went "off his logic, he's town"? Let's not lie to ourselves, whenever you played with me, the general feeling you got was "is he talking and feeling like a civ here?" or "did he lynch a scum yet?" asking me to make a logical case on myself when people expect to read me off general feeling is :confused:

maybe not people here, but you would anyway. and michelle probs
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let me do what i do best and that is lynching wolfies and just connect to me on a whole new level, it will be an awesome experience
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[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine :shrug:
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What do you guys think the other dream is doing right now?
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OoooOOOooOOooOoOO GHOST oOOOOoOOOOoooOOooooo

I went through ISOs, but honestly I think I became blind in the process.


The two likeliest for anti-monitor is still Sprit and Ted.

Ted:

- Has no progression on Radish, but votes him D1.
- Weird arch nemesis interaction with Sabie N2 (??)

tedxtr wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:39 amFrom what I understood, his suspicion came from a place of him believing mac targeted him along with sprit's sudden push on him, which he called sprit scum for, which I can follow through. Sprit's vote and push is completely nonsensical unless he has TMI and I don't see anything scummy about connecting the dots that way?
This post is a problem. Why is it logical to call Sprit scum for TMI, but then it's also logical to call Sig town for the same thing?
I have big trouble seeing this mindset.

Like, you're basically saying that it makes sense for Sig to accuse Sprit of the exact same thing I accused Sig of. "Sig thinks Sprit has TMI of Mac being scum and calls Sprit scum for it. That makes sense." But somehow, in the case of Sig who's word by word showing actual TMI, that's just being interpreted as town for Sig.

So explain that please.

tedxtr wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:30 pm There’s just something illogical that doesn’t sit right with me. If there’s the slightest chance sig is a town, why are you voting for him instead of basically outed wolf Mac no matter sig’s alignment? If it’s so clear to you that he TMI’d Mac, why wouldn’t you ask yourself “is this a wolf tming or a town tming” and vote for him instead of Mac?

:shrug:
This is also confusing. How was Mac outed scum? He was no more outed scum than Sig. Confusing. Was he outed for you? And when did you start to suspect Mac? Cause you town read him earlier in the game.

-One thing that makes Ted not anti-monitor though, is his insistence that Sig's theory of Mac being Saitama-guy was ill informed and bad. He insisted that Mac was definitely not on that team.

There's some bravado about being on Sabie that feels off. Also the dip in activity around the Sig accusation. I don't know.


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sprityo wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:25 pm Obviously the dead know nothing and should shut the hell up :meany:

Go be done with the game and wait for town to win like a normal person

No. I'm not going to shut up. I'm still in the game per the ghost mechanics. I literally gave you all a Sig is 100% scum and tried to shoot Mac and that's why Sig assumes Mac is scum. Why are you so angry about that if you're town?

This really just looks like salt about town doing good right now. Why the "wait for town to win" - what town would be so confident and sure about this, and have such a salty tone about it?

I'm really asking everyone here. This does not look like town to me at all. It looks like salty scum having lost their team. And after this it's like "I wouldn't mind being the lynch" and moments later "I'll be damned if I'm lynched". I just really don't get the a town vibe from this attitude.


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-Michelle honestly have some pretty awkward Radish-team interaction as well. But she's not on the poll.

-I ISOed Turnip a bit, but I'm not enthusiastic about the prospect of him being scum anymore. Could happen i guess.

-I don't see why Jack would drop the Nut case if teamed with competing D1 wagon Radish tbh. Unless he tried to push the wagon to someone else, but I don't remember.

-I have no fucking clue about Nanook. Most of his posts are defending himself or threading water. I don't see him making actual reads or pushes.


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Jay and Juliets are my biggest suspects for teamed with Mac.
I think all of Dom, G-Man, Tony and Epi looks town. Tranq honestly probs town, but I'll never understand hyper lurking.

I don't have a 100% now. =( Good luck, guys.
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Turnip Head wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:23 pm hello boys

sprityo could be the anti-monitor imo. His ISO only takes like ten minutes to read if anyone feels like going through it.

First half of sprit's ISO he weakly shades Jack (threatening to do so all the game), the second half he sinks his teeth into Mac and his posts become 90% about Mac. No consideration or banter, in sprit's mind Mac is basically confirmed bad, which makes sense if he was teamed with sig

anyways read his quick little ISO and tell me what you think
Mmm interesting. This is fine and could be right but could definitely be coming from a member of the Master mafia. :smoky:

Epignosis wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:53 pm
nutella wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:50 am Lol don't let this exercise fool you. Jay is Mac's teammate.





(I say this based on him being so quick to dismiss my Mac "equity" as if he knows I'm innocent. I'm not sure I actually think this yet but I thought it would sound smart. I'll do some homework on it tomorrow.)
JJJ has sounded like a tool to me this entire time. So phony. He's going through the motions.
Agreed. His interaction analyses have been lazy and I haven't agreed with all the conclusions so he could be putting some spin on them, and beyond those I agree that he generally doesn't feel quite right. Sadly he's not in this level but for future reference he is on my shortlist of potential Mac teammates. Though I never really did the homework on that like I said I was going to (not being able to see the thread at all for two days may be part of that XD )
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:04 am ColinIsCool - Colin is a big meh this game and has equity with Mac.
Dom - Dom is town
Epignosis - Epi is town
Jackofhearts2005 - Jack is town
Nanook - I don't have a great read on Nanook but he seems fine. Probably can say he's not scum with Mac.
sprityo - Not scum with Mac in spite of Jay's blahdyblah. I kinda don't feel like he's giving the least shits possible as the last member of team Sig/Sabie/Radishes but then again, I've seen Sprityo give no shits as a serial killer so I'm not locking him in as town. Also, he'd literally have to be exactly the Antimonitor to be scum.
tedxtr - Feels real town. Probably has antialignment with some of our lynches if I paid him enough attention.
Turnip Head - Pretty strong wolf equity with Mac what with defending him without really saying why and attacking players who attacked him. Like the best argument for TH being town is maybe wolf TH wouldn't be quite that blatant. Fairly sure he's not the 4th AM wolf.


So yeah, looking at Colin and TH. Open to hearing a case on Nanook or Ted but I doubt I'll follow one.
I mooooostly agree with these takes though I am more skeptical on ted and epi

Turnip Head wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:08 am I'm hearing strange and foreign names like JJJ, G-Man, and juliets bring bandied about. No, we don't need any of those. We're a family now. Let's smoke cigars, get matching jackets, and then at the end of the day ritualistically sacrifice the life force of one of our members
im having yun qui flashbacks dont pull this family shit :suspish:

sprityo wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:12 am Yeah I’ve been slacking this game

But it’s been on purpose I assure you

If anything I would be fine with taking the L for today, since we as a town have been doing really good.

Also let’s not forget the mechanics of inception mafia today, there’s at least one mafia for each level if it’s staying true to the original
Lol yikes. Yeah sprityo is the antimonitor lmao :haha:


And TH is looking pretty bad too yeah. Both scum teams are toast tbh :charlieblackmon:


MacDougall wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:53 am The ghost of Macdougall haunts this place.

Nanook is the anti monitor. Sprityo is the cop. My team is gonna win. Sorry about being a prick Dom.


hey no infodumping! :p I'm weirdly glad one of the mafia ghosts finally has the guts to spew bullshit to mess with us though, the others were cowards XD



Dizzy's post is, as usual, a holy revelation. The point that we should kill the AM before sig makes sense and I think that the dream levels work in our favor here, since sig can't really die in the other one yet, so if this thread lynches sprityo who I think is antimonitor, then the other level probably sends us sig after that and can at least try dizzy's isolation/blocking plan -- not really sure how it can be implemented reliably when ppl can't claim roles to coordinate, but then again he only has to be blocked every other night, right, so I guess alternating targeting isn't really an issue? Wait no but sig is the switching role which will definitely fuck it up. hmmmm idk

Also yeah makes sense that sig did this lol.

Anyway I'm p convinced sprityo is the best lynch for today.


....Now that I said that I'm feeling even more like TH is mac's teammate so once again it's a decision between lynching the two teams. Like dizzy said though it's probably good to lynch AM here? But also I want to lynch mac's teammates?? :ponder:

Like, this:

Turnip Head wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:05 pm I'm surprised Colin is willing to give such a decisive read of me, especially after I fooled him so thoroughly (and lovingly!) In Firefly
I have a hard time seeing this post as anything besides a wolf talking about a townie.
Turnip Head wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:13 pm Bad Colin would take advantage of me fooling him in Firefly to shade me bad here
So he's not bad, and you know it, and you know that you're bad and successfully fooling him again.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:47 pm
sprityo wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:39 pm Idk jack, it’s more and more tempting to just let town eat the shit and lynch me.

It’s obvious I’m not wanted outside of yourself in this level of the dream
Town most never be told to eat shit.

Nobody learns a lesson when a fellow townie throws up a middle finger and lets himself get lynched. Nobody feels bad. They just blame the lynchee for being salty instead of trying to help the town.

Plus, some of the players you think “don’t want you” really don’t. Because they’re wolves. They’re not gonna learn anything from this lynch beyond that you rolled over for them.
Bro he's scum lol.



Just got to Epi's theory on Nanook. I disagree but I can kinda see where he's coming from on a couple points... but it's also just one of those Epi pet theories that he seems to think is a slam dunk but I don't understand why. I just don't think the evidence is that strong. I think nanook is likely town.

I am feeling about 80% confident that TH is on the master team and 90% confident that Sprityo is the antimonitor. [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] the reason to lynch sprit over TH FMPOV is (a) I'm more confident sprit is bad and (b) dizzy's plan to isolate sig and neutralize a whole team. But there are arguments to be made for going after mac's teammates now as well. :shrug2:

Also yeah what dizzy said, I honestly don't know how you could think sprit's posts are coming from town at this point. Town is doing amazing so if he's salty and demoralized it's because he's the antimonitor.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:22 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:26 pm Hard defense of Mac, one which continues further down the thread. I also hard defended Mac so I can't hold it against them.

Throughout TH's ISO I find myself agreeing with them more often than not, and I don't have anything that I can say is especially scummy. :shrug:
You wanna make sure nobody feels like you’re a hypocrite or you wanna catch wolves? Cause I bet if we don’t find fault in anyone defending Mac just because at least one townie did so, we’re gonna have a hard time finding his partners.

What exactly are you agreeing with in TH’s iso? Like you said, he’s defended wolves would much explanation.
What are you talking about?

I don’t think defending Mac makes you scummy. I agreed with them on that, as well as on Radishes and a few other stray assessments I don’t remember right now.

What part of this is confusing?
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Turnip Head wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:06 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:05 pm I'm surprised Colin is willing to give such a decisive read of me, especially after I fooled him so thoroughly (and lovingly!) In Firefly
What does that tell you about his alignment?
That he likes me
I do :hug:

Real talk I just don’t see the scumread with any justification other than tinfoily “yeah but maybe they’re scum” ... and that’s a bad reason to lynch somebody
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We can't isolate sig because he can switch targets, which I assume counts roleblocks, or would the block take precedence over his architect power?
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tedxtr wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:21 pm
tedxtr wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:17 pm jack what's that switch on me? i honestly am starting to wonder about your little jabs as well.
I’m just generally townreading you but haven’t seen a reason you can’t be scum with one or both teams.

As opposed to like Epi, who I think specifically isn’t on either team.

Is there a reason to think you shouldn’t be on either team?
yeah i'm town

like i honestly don't know what answer you wanted here. what's this question achieving. were you expecting to town case myself, i've never done that lmao. it's because i'm so irrational to the point where town casing myself would sell nothing for you and you know it. when have you ever played a game with me and went "off his logic, he's town"? Let's not lie to ourselves, whenever you played with me, the general feeling you got was "is he talking and feeling like a civ here?" or "did he lynch a scum yet?" asking me to make a logical case on myself when people expect to read me off general feeling is :confused:

maybe not people here, but you would anyway. and michelle probs
I mean like, I can basically confirm as not on the master’s team because I lead the lynch on Mac. If you got anything like that for yourself or anyone else, I’d love to hear it.
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Dyslexicon wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:01 pm OoooOOOooOOooOoOO GHOST oOOOOoOOOOoooOOooooo

I went through ISOs, but honestly I think I became blind in the process.


The two likeliest for anti-monitor is still Sprit and Ted.

Ted:

- Has no progression on Radish, but votes him D1.
- Weird arch nemesis interaction with Sabie N2 (??)

tedxtr wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:39 amFrom what I understood, his suspicion came from a place of him believing mac targeted him along with sprit's sudden push on him, which he called sprit scum for, which I can follow through. Sprit's vote and push is completely nonsensical unless he has TMI and I don't see anything scummy about connecting the dots that way?
This post is a problem. Why is it logical to call Sprit scum for TMI, but then it's also logical to call Sig town for the same thing?
I have big trouble seeing this mindset.

Like, you're basically saying that it makes sense for Sig to accuse Sprit of the exact same thing I accused Sig of. "Sig thinks Sprit has TMI of Mac being scum and calls Sprit scum for it. That makes sense." But somehow, in the case of Sig who's word by word showing actual TMI, that's just being interpreted as town for Sig.

So explain that please.

tedxtr wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:30 pm There’s just something illogical that doesn’t sit right with me. If there’s the slightest chance sig is a town, why are you voting for him instead of basically outed wolf Mac no matter sig’s alignment? If it’s so clear to you that he TMI’d Mac, why wouldn’t you ask yourself “is this a wolf tming or a town tming” and vote for him instead of Mac?

:shrug:
This is also confusing. How was Mac outed scum? He was no more outed scum than Sig. Confusing. Was he outed for you? And when did you start to suspect Mac? Cause you town read him earlier in the game.

-One thing that makes Ted not anti-monitor though, is his insistence that Sig's theory of Mac being Saitama-guy was ill informed and bad. He insisted that Mac was definitely not on that team.

There's some bravado about being on Sabie that feels off. Also the dip in activity around the Sig accusation. I don't know.


Sprit:
sprityo wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:25 pm Obviously the dead know nothing and should shut the hell up :meany:

Go be done with the game and wait for town to win like a normal person

No. I'm not going to shut up. I'm still in the game per the ghost mechanics. I literally gave you all a Sig is 100% scum and tried to shoot Mac and that's why Sig assumes Mac is scum. Why are you so angry about that if you're town?

This really just looks like salt about town doing good right now. Why the "wait for town to win" - what town would be so confident and sure about this, and have such a salty tone about it?

I'm really asking everyone here. This does not look like town to me at all. It looks like salty scum having lost their team. And after this it's like "I wouldn't mind being the lynch" and moments later "I'll be damned if I'm lynched". I just really don't get the a town vibe from this attitude.


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-Michelle honestly have some pretty awkward Radish-team interaction as well. But she's not on the poll.

-I ISOed Turnip a bit, but I'm not enthusiastic about the prospect of him being scum anymore. Could happen i guess.

-I don't see why Jack would drop the Nut case if teamed with competing D1 wagon Radish tbh. Unless he tried to push the wagon to someone else, but I don't remember.

-I have no fucking clue about Nanook. Most of his posts are defending himself or threading water. I don't see him making actual reads or pushes.


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Jay and Juliets are my biggest suspects for teamed with Mac.
I think all of Dom, G-Man, Tony and Epi looks town. Tranq honestly probs town, but I'll never understand hyper lurking.

I don't have a 100% now. =( Good luck, guys.
This is the best point I’ve seen for Sprityo being scum and I kinda dig it.
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ColinIsCool wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:22 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:26 pm Hard defense of Mac, one which continues further down the thread. I also hard defended Mac so I can't hold it against them.

Throughout TH's ISO I find myself agreeing with them more often than not, and I don't have anything that I can say is especially scummy. :shrug:
You wanna make sure nobody feels like you’re a hypocrite or you wanna catch wolves? Cause I bet if we don’t find fault in anyone defending Mac just because at least one townie did so, we’re gonna have a hard time finding his partners.

What exactly are you agreeing with in TH’s iso? Like you said, he’s defended wolves would much explanation.
What are you talking about?

I don’t think defending Mac makes you scummy. I agreed with them on that, as well as on Radishes and a few other stray assessments I don’t remember right now.

What part of this is confusing?
“I hard defended Mac so I can’t held it against him.”

Yes you fucking can. You must.
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Turnip Head wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:14 pm We can't isolate sig because he can switch targets, which I assume counts roleblocks, or would the block take precedence over his architect power?
Not while making a kill he can’t.
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sprityo wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:01 am
MacDougall wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:43 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:41 pm Really though Mac, I draw zero inspiration from calling you an orange boy given that you've done nothing. Show me that I don't have to default.
In due time you sexy voiced man. If you can help me by giving me an outline of your current thoughts that might give me something to chew on. I am a very busy boy sadly so I'm probably gonna be less dog with a bone than most are acquainted with.
For Mac, horrible sound quality. :smile:

The meatiest stuff to dig into when time permits is probably sig vs. Nanook re: the Radish "slip". starts around here or so. Left to their own mortal kombat, they've both emerged looking less than bueno to me.
I guess, maybe? It didn’t interest me at all

Uninspired by it
Sprityo is uninterested in and uninspired by the Nanook1 vs Sig fight.
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sprityo wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:13 am Cool I’m caught up

@JaggedJimmyJay you said that I was nominated for mvp for a reason. Now I totally could’ve nominated myself but I didn’t (so thank you to whoever did that) but your statement for that was hollow in that I play mafia my way and that’s how I get results. Same as everyone. So if you want MVP material you’re just gonna have to wait for it because it’ll come with time.

What’d Mac say in Inception to the scum team? “Sprityo is a crucial mislynch” although I like to think of myself more like a snowball

Enough about me though-

I don’t care about this nanook sig radishes kerfuffle that happened between pages 6 and 10 roughly, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say jack is mafia this game. Just pure gut. I have no reason other than I think it.

Also Dom is here, huzzah! I enjoyed playing with Dom in Inception and can’t wait for another game with him. Same to Dizzy, I love their zanyness.

Jay is also 100% town. Don’t ask me why

That’s my lukewarm takes, Jack bad, jay good

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sprityo wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:14 am
Sloonei wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:13 am
sprityo wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:08 am
Sloonei wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:45 am
sprityo wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:36 am
Sloonei wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:15 pm
sig wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:13 pm

Why not
In the sense that we should dissect SVS for asking it. She’s been away for a while and was genuinely curious about the usage of an old vocabulary. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I’ll allow your angle about Radishes slipping though.
Wish I could get that kind of relief when I say something of no significance. :disappoint:

I’ll remember this for later, if not a later game sloonei :eye:
Wut
Don’t worry, I was just being petty and salty over what has transpired for the past 3 years of mafia :p
I got that. But we’re talking about it now. What’s your read on SVS and Radishes?
Don’t know, don’t care at the moment
Still nothing to say about Radishes.
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