MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:21 amStraight for that card ay.
Anywho so far Creature and Rej are top town reads. I think Nutella is also town. I'd like to see fellow towns towning a bit harder.
I think we're also looking at wolfjay lol. I know he says he's busy but I can't help but feel if he was town he'd have used the posts he has made for more townie purposes. More FPS to see what happens less "please hold for assistance.
Jack worries me. Speedchuck also.
But Dragomir doing the ol' "hello fellow townies" thing can take some scrutiny for now.
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This is scummy imo.
My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.
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What if I told you that, statistically, mafia tend to check in earlier?sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:05 pmThis is scummy imo.
My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.
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My main thought is her reaction to my post and less the statistics of when they may check in, if that makes any sense?Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:11 pmWhat if I told you that, statistically, mafia tend to check in earlier?sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:05 pmThis is scummy imo.
My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.
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Lolno? You just made a random unfounded two-way statement about whether the scum had checked in. It made no sense.sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:05 pmThis is scummy imo.
My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.
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I do find it difficult to condemn her for her reaction, because I agree with her. That idea of your about check-ins seems to be completely random and nonsensical. I do appreciate its quasi-relevance as a vehicle for promoting spirited and conflicting discussion.sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:34 pmMy main thought is her reaction to my post and less the statistics of when they may check in, if that makes any sense?Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:11 pmWhat if I told you that, statistically, mafia tend to check in earlier?sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:05 pmThis is scummy imo.
My hypothesis is nutella is mafia and at that time her teammates had yet to check in so she was trying to indirectly counter my point.
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Speed your posts have all been garbage lol. You can read better than that
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Sig is fine. Drago and speed not so much.
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Survivor is a bad role.sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 amGonna play the culture card here, I like to try to distinguish third party, no point in hunting survivors SKs you should go after. Same with Cult.Rej wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:51 am1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:08 pmRej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:53 pmthe way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying mesig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:21 pmI could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.
I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.
I note it down
It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.
I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.
Thats why I said noteworthy.
It is way too easy to win with, when it loses, it is rarely the fault of the survivor player, optimal survivor play leads to a less interesting game and survivors can easily become kingmakers at endgame, which is against the spirit of the game.
Change my mind.
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I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 amWhat do you think it is?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am??? What is thisspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
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Probably cause of that whole scalpel politics conversation, eh?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:21 amStraight for that card ay.
Anywho so far Creature and Rej are top town reads. I think Nutella is also town. I'd like to see fellow towns towning a bit harder.
I think we're also looking at wolfjay lol. I know he says he's busy but I can't help but feel if he was town he'd have used the posts he has made for more townie purposes. More FPS to see what happens less "please hold for assistance.
Jack worries me. Speedchuck also.
But Dragomir doing the ol' "hello fellow townies" thing can take some scrutiny for now.
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How is what Sig said different from “I townread everyone who has posted so far?”
I’m not saying he’s town or correct. I’m just not getting why his checkin statement is confusing.
I’m not saying he’s town or correct. I’m just not getting why his checkin statement is confusing.
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Last time I accused speed of being mafia in a game it was because he was saying something scummy on purpose to gather reactions that could be analysed, and he was actually civ, so I fell into his trap (tho I was civ myself too).
This time around speed is wishing jack hadn't commented on creature's meta so me and other people would attack him. Producing reactions that can be analysed.
Second paragraph of this post reminds me a lot of the first one. In other words, I don't feel like suspecting speed for doing something I've noticed civ speed likes to do (do things on purpose to gather reactions).
This time around speed is wishing jack hadn't commented on creature's meta so me and other people would attack him. Producing reactions that can be analysed.
Second paragraph of this post reminds me a lot of the first one. In other words, I don't feel like suspecting speed for doing something I've noticed civ speed likes to do (do things on purpose to gather reactions).
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Something about Rej made me feel suspicious but I can't put my finger on it.
Why do people trust Rej?
Why do people trust Rej?
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Fair enough re: speed but I will see what he says.
I thought Rej overreacted to the 3p thing but that seemed like a culture clash issue. I don't feel strongly about him either way so far.
I thought Rej overreacted to the 3p thing but that seemed like a culture clash issue. I don't feel strongly about him either way so far.
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[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] reread what sig said. "Either most or none of the scum have checked in." It's baseless and meaningless.
Like I said I don't particularly suspect him tho.
Like I said I don't particularly suspect him tho.
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Nutella is yucky. And her response doesn’t inspire confidence.
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I mean survivor is a terrible role but this site isn't above using it.
Or nova. Though nova is this weird multi-site creature who started playing everywhere at the same time so I can't even use site culture to predict his setup.
Besides it is possible to make survivor work. It needs some extra requirements or handicaps.
Or nova. Though nova is this weird multi-site creature who started playing everywhere at the same time so I can't even use site culture to predict his setup.
Besides it is possible to make survivor work. It needs some extra requirements or handicaps.
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What are you even talking about lol. Why am I yucky?
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Nutella doesn't give any reason to trust her but lynching nutella earlier gives me dejavu. Of bad things. She tends to be lynchbait.
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I definitely know that Drago can be stronger in entrances, he is worthy to observe.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:21 amStraight for that card ay.
Anywho so far Creature and Rej are top town reads. I think Nutella is also town. I'd like to see fellow towns towning a bit harder.
I think we're also looking at wolfjay lol. I know he says he's busy but I can't help but feel if he was town he'd have used the posts he has made for more townie purposes. More FPS to see what happens less "please hold for assistance.
Jack worries me. Speedchuck also.
But Dragomir doing the ol' "hello fellow townies" thing can take some scrutiny for now.
What are the town hunches on nutella?
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Seems you had your hunches on me, but you didn't dig in further, how come?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:23 pm Something about Rej made me feel suspicious but I can't put my finger on it.
Why do people trust Rej?
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You can forge a survivor as much as you can, survivors with immunities, survivors with defensive active abilities. X-Target wincon.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:00 pmSurvivor is a bad role.sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 amGonna play the culture card here, I like to try to distinguish third party, no point in hunting survivors SKs you should go after. Same with Cult.Rej wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:51 am1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:08 pmRej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:53 pmthe way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying mesig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:21 pmI could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.
I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.
I note it down
It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.
I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.
Thats why I said noteworthy.
It is way too easy to win with, when it loses, it is rarely the fault of the survivor player, optimal survivor play leads to a less interesting game and survivors can easily become kingmakers at endgame, which is against the spirit of the game.
Change my mind.
and I think it really depends on the setup. they are far away from being bastard like Jesters and they are not in town favour like an unjester.
A survivor can be an unhonest role and I like that.
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That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pmI honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 amWhat do you think it is?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am??? What is thisspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
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I don't mind a kingmaker 3p being present in the end. You better hope you treated them right. It's an extra level of game politics, and I think it makes things more interesting. I don't buy into the idea of "optimal survivor play" because each game is a unique organism whose optimal play is defined as it plays out. What works perfectly in one game gets you lynched in another.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:00 pmSurvivor is a bad role.sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 amGonna play the culture card here, I like to try to distinguish third party, no point in hunting survivors SKs you should go after. Same with Cult.Rej wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:51 am1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:08 pmRej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:53 pmthe way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying mesig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:21 pmI could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.
I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.
I note it down
It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.
I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.
Thats why I said noteworthy.
It is way too easy to win with, when it loses, it is rarely the fault of the survivor player, optimal survivor play leads to a less interesting game and survivors can easily become kingmakers at endgame, which is against the spirit of the game.
Change my mind.
I've had some of the most fun in games as a 3p survivor, but my taste is obviously for powerful roles , and a beefed-up survivor suits me to a T. You don't need to change your mind to understand another's perspective.
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Agreed.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:28 pm I mean survivor is a terrible role but this site isn't above using it.
Or nova. Though nova is this weird multi-site creature who started playing everywhere at the same time so I can't even use site culture to predict his setup.
Besides it is possible to make survivor work. It needs some extra requirements or handicaps.
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No, she tends to be super easy to read. Let Dom push. Then I’ll tell you her alignment.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:29 pm Nutella doesn't give any reason to trust her but lynching nutella earlier gives me dejavu. Of bad things. She tends to be lynchbait.
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Hard disagree, the smoother the game the more fun it is.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pmThat 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pmI honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 amWhat do you think it is?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am??? What is thisspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
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I can’t help myself. DDL expressing suspicion of a player for shit he always does and the opposite of suspicion on a player for shit he isn’t doing and never does. It’s funny.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pmThat 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pmI honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 amWhat do you think it is?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am??? What is thisspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
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Seems like something I would feel compelled to do too.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:49 pmI can’t help myself. DDL expressing suspicion of a player for shit he always does and the opposite of suspicion on a player for shit he isn’t doing and never does. It’s funny.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pmThat 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pmI honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 amWhat do you think it is?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am??? What is thisspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
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Optimal survivor play is to not have activity about a certain level so you don’t get nightkilled. That’s boring.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:45 pmI don't mind a kingmaker 3p being present in the end. You better hope you treated them right. It's an extra level of game politics, and I think it makes things more interesting. I don't buy into the idea of "optimal survivor play" because each game is a unique organism whose optimal play is defined as it plays out. What works perfectly in one game gets you lynched in another.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:00 pmSurvivor is a bad role.sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 amGonna play the culture card here, I like to try to distinguish third party, no point in hunting survivors SKs you should go after. Same with Cult.Rej wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:51 am1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:08 pmRej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:53 pmthe way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying mesig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:21 pm
I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.
I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.
I note it down
It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.
I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.
Thats why I said noteworthy.
It is way too easy to win with, when it loses, it is rarely the fault of the survivor player, optimal survivor play leads to a less interesting game and survivors can easily become kingmakers at endgame, which is against the spirit of the game.
Change my mind.
I've had some of the most fun in games as a 3p survivor, but my taste is obviously for powerful roles , and a beefed-up survivor suits me to a T. You don't need to change your mind to understand another's perspective.
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The universe where we have a little more self control.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:51 pmSeems like something I would feel compelled to do too.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:49 pmI can’t help myself. DDL expressing suspicion of a player for shit he always does and the opposite of suspicion on a player for shit he isn’t doing and never does. It’s funny.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pmThat 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pmI honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 amWhat do you think it is?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am??? What is thisspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
But I hold myself back.
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But it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pmThat 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pmI honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 amWhat do you think it is?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am??? What is thisspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
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DDL looks pretty townie regardless.
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Speed discouraging people from contributing their townreads is bad.
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I don't think anyone should be easing up on Creature just because Jack says he's Civ on Day 1. Is that what's happening?
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I assumed Creature would disagree, and then I could say he is biased and defending himself, and we could whirl down a spiral of blame and recursive arguments and THEN Jack could stop us.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:55 pmBut it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pmThat 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pmI honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 amWhat do you think it is?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am??? What is thisspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING
And people like you would comment on it and be all like "how scummy" and we'd have a lot to work with.
I guess that's happening anyway now, so thanks. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine
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Not the way he did it. He saw more potential for good discussion without it. I don't see that as bad.
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I independently townread creature, prob same reasons as jack bit not because of him. Creature is just in his clear town meta tone imo.
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All I have on him is his pessimism and subtle discouragement of the town side. Jack has me almost back at neutral.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:58 pmYes you should. I’ve correctly pegged town Creature on D1 in like four games.
But I didn’t say he was town here.
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