Inception [Inception Phase 4]

[Dom]

I don’t understand why anyone in this game suspects me.

I’ve heard one reason for me being suspected today and it’s that Epi doesn’t think I have original thoughts, which is a damn silly thing to say as everyone else is complaining that my reads are too counter to the consensus.

What are your reads?

Why do you think I have no original thoughts if you don’t know what my reads are?

See... that's the exact problem.

Yeah, that is a problem.

You have the third most posts in this thread and I can't recall a single position you've taken.

Who’s fault do you think that is? I have very very very clear positions that I have numbered and explained multiple times. Read the damn thread, Dom. Form some educated opinions so that when you say things, I can evaluate if you’re a townie or a wolf.

Have you considered that you have not communicated them well?

The events, sprit, that you're mentioning happened during Phase 2.

You're not adding up.

Oh yeaaaaa
Epi did his whole shtick in the last thread

My bad

....yeah so....you're not looking so hot.

[sprityo]

So.
Sprit keeps emphasizing how much I'm not participating.

I have more posts than he this day period.

Post number does not equal content

Also I’m not emphasizing it?

[iaafr]

ok so jack has pawn radishes and me

i got pawn radishes jack

lets compromise with pawn radishes sprityo?

[iaafr]

i also read jacks iso just now and i didnt hate it

ill read more isos tomorrow probably

[Dom]

So.
Sprit keeps emphasizing how much I'm not participating.

I have more posts than he this day period.

Post number does not equal content

Also I’m not emphasizing it?

Footage Found
1. Exhibit A
2. Exhibit B

[Dom]

2/50 posts is about 4% of your posts being about how I don't participate enough.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you ain't living your truth.

[iaafr]

Generally anyone who was like “I strongly suspect Dom and Colin/Rej” sets off warning bells because those players barely said anything.

I asked for reasons for those suspicions and got one semi satisfactory answer from one out of the six or so players at the time who had those reads.

Several players going from “I suspect Nova/Colin/Dom for undisclosed or tinfoily reasons” to “I suspect Colin/Dom/Jack for undisclosed or tinfoily reasons” doesn’t make me want to flip my reads. Neither does a few “I guess Jack can be town for undisclosed reasons. Now I suspect yet another quiet Syndicate player in Sprityo.”

I 100% agree with you. I don't like that we're consolidating around the quieter players. (Before you go claiming I've done that too, I gave my reason for suspecting Nova based on his D1 vote, and I disagreed with Colin and Dom as options yesterday and early today; at the moment they're in my PoE but I'm not scumreading them per se. The only one I found scummy in his own right was Sprityo.)

So let's change that then, Jack. I've already stated my belief that Pawn could be a deepwolf. I have nothing on him, but if you want to interrogate him I'll back you. Let's shake things up if you don't like how it is going.

hm radishes and pawn maybe less likely together for this

[Jackofhearts2005]

Okay so maybe I explained my read on Radishes better on a thread nobody can see. That’s on me.

My other reads are pretty damn clear.

Spoiler: show

When did I become a consensus scumread?

I’m obviously town.

My three are still iaafr, Radishes and new challenger Pawn, who has basically just repeated consensus shit today and the back half of yesterday.

If I broke quiet players into groups they would look like

Town
Dom
Nova
Sprityo


Scum
Colin
Quin
LLD

talk to me about my rederivation of this shitty, shitty PoE

which of my assumptions are wrong

Walk me through how Rabbit being a double voter makes Rabbit town or why a town double voter wouldn’t have voted the scumread he “obviously” secretly had.

I don’t get it.

I admit this is a weak point in my case for Iaafr, but I am ok with it and still think he's town

Do you have further reasons to scumread him?

I don’t remember if I answered this.

Yeah. I think his pushes on players for scumreading him don’t make any damn sense.

Like if I’m a wolf (or if Sprityo’s a wolf or whatever), anyone but Rabbit is an easier mislynch. So why does me pushing a Rabbit make me scum?

It should be the opposite. A wolf that sees a hard to lynch townie with a stupid tunnel should just let that happen or if they’re one of the several players being tunneled, just focus on outrunning the friend instead of the bear.

I don’t get why town!Rabbit omgus tunnels anyone who voiced suspicion of him.

There are lots of little things that bug me like going along with the double voter thing, saying he’ll self resolve when there are no flips, saying he’s spewed by D1 posts we can’t see and pushing away suspicion by saying anyone that suspects him is scumclaiming. I’m not sure how much of that is trolling tbf.

[mention]Dom[/mention]

[sprityo]

@sprityo @Jackofhearts2005

Let's talk. Gimme a hot take.

Hot take on what dom?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t even know how I feel about Radishes today cause he seems more reasonable.

[sprityo]

ColinIsCool - ColinisCool is here because someone else has to be. He's bad. Lynch him.
Jackofhearts2005 - I cannot recall a single original idea Jack has had. I do not know where he stands.
sprityo - I agreed to talk to sprityo this evening when he was around and then he didn't talk to me. I don't know why that is.

[sprityo]

ColinIsCool - ColinisCool is here because someone else has to be. He's bad. Lynch him.
Jackofhearts2005 - I cannot recall a single original idea Jack has had. I do not know where he stands.
sprityo - I agreed to talk to sprityo this evening when he was around and then he didn't talk to me. I don't know why that is.

My time zone is way fucked so evening for you is sleepy time for me

[sprityo]

ColinIsCool - ColinisCool is here because someone else has to be. He's bad. Lynch him.
Jackofhearts2005 - I cannot recall a single original idea Jack has had. I do not know where he stands.
sprityo - I agreed to talk to sprityo this evening when he was around and then he didn't talk to me. I don't know why that is.

1) Can you explain colin more? I've not understood that yet.
2) that's my feel on jack too.
3) it's because he simply has nothing to say and was hoping you'd say it for him.

Ouch

[iaafr]

i like jack's read on me he can be town tier for today actually

evenstar iaafr jack
dom colin epignosis
sprityo radishes pawn

[iaafr]

evenstar iaafr jack
colin sprityo dom
radishes pawn epignosis

maybe this feels better after all

[sprityo]

So as usual, there is scum on my wagon. Except my wagon is like most of the players so...

You don't even know that you have a wagon.

I’ve been in every player’s bottom 3 at some point and at least 3 players’ bottom 3 right now.

With no real case.

Someone is faking suspicion on me. Probably a couple someones. Probably you.

I second this statement both about jack and myself

[Dom]

Okay so maybe I explained my read on Radishes better on a thread nobody can see. That’s on me.

My other reads are pretty damn clear.

Spoiler: show

When did I become a consensus scumread?

I’m obviously town.

My three are still iaafr, Radishes and new challenger Pawn, who has basically just repeated consensus shit today and the back half of yesterday.

If I broke quiet players into groups they would look like

Town
Dom
Nova
Sprityo


Scum
Colin
Quin
LLD

talk to me about my rederivation of this shitty, shitty PoE

which of my assumptions are wrong

Walk me through how Rabbit being a double voter makes Rabbit town or why a town double voter wouldn’t have voted the scumread he “obviously” secretly had.

I don’t get it.

I admit this is a weak point in my case for Iaafr, but I am ok with it and still think he's town

Do you have further reasons to scumread him?

I don’t remember if I answered this.

Yeah. I think his pushes on players for scumreading him don’t make any damn sense.

Like if I’m a wolf (or if Sprityo’s a wolf or whatever), anyone but Rabbit is an easier mislynch. So why does me pushing a Rabbit make me scum?

It should be the opposite. A wolf that sees a hard to lynch townie with a stupid tunnel should just let that happen or if they’re one of the several players being tunneled, just focus on outrunning the friend instead of the bear.

I don’t get why town!Rabbit omgus tunnels anyone who voiced suspicion of him.

There are lots of little things that bug me like going along with the double voter thing, saying he’ll self resolve when there are no flips, saying he’s spewed by D1 posts we can’t see and pushing away suspicion by saying anyone that suspects him is scumclaiming. I’m not sure how much of that is trolling tbf.

Dom

I need to think on this, but thank you, Jack.

@sprityo @Jackofhearts2005

Let's talk. Gimme a hot take.

Hot take on what dom?

Make a hot take. Show me you ain't the bad guy I think you are.

[iaafr]

but the way radishes and epignosis both push pawn gives me pause and im not quite sure how to make it work in a 3 scum world but again i dont even know if its a 3 scum layer

[Dom]

So as usual, there is scum on my wagon. Except my wagon is like most of the players so...

You don't even know that you have a wagon.

I’ve been in every player’s bottom 3 at some point and at least 3 players’ bottom 3 right now.

With no real case.

Someone is faking suspicion on me. Probably a couple someones. Probably you.

I second this statement both about jack and myself

I articulated my thoughts on you very nicely.

You are choosing to ignore it.

[sprityo]

So.
Sprit keeps emphasizing how much I'm not participating.

I have more posts than he this day period.

Post number does not equal content

Also I’m not emphasizing it?

Footage Found
1. Exhibit A
2. Exhibit B

So the first one is a funny jab

The second is me explaining the truth to evenstar, one that you even acknowledged already as true? Don’t push your fake shade on me please

[iaafr]

maybe doms the pawn partner with his awkward reaction to flipping on pawn?

i just realized that the scum in these layers can scumread partners without having to back up their scumreads with a vote so maybe theres more distancing than usual

[sprityo]

Okay so maybe I explained my read on Radishes better on a thread nobody can see. That’s on me.

My other reads are pretty damn clear.

Spoiler: show

When did I become a consensus scumread?

I’m obviously town.

My three are still iaafr, Radishes and new challenger Pawn, who has basically just repeated consensus shit today and the back half of yesterday.

If I broke quiet players into groups they would look like

Town
Dom
Nova
Sprityo


Scum
Colin
Quin
LLD

talk to me about my rederivation of this shitty, shitty PoE

which of my assumptions are wrong

Walk me through how Rabbit being a double voter makes Rabbit town or why a town double voter wouldn’t have voted the scumread he “obviously” secretly had.

I don’t get it.

I admit this is a weak point in my case for Iaafr, but I am ok with it and still think he's town

Do you have further reasons to scumread him?

I don’t remember if I answered this.

Yeah. I think his pushes on players for scumreading him don’t make any damn sense.

Like if I’m a wolf (or if Sprityo’s a wolf or whatever), anyone but Rabbit is an easier mislynch. So why does me pushing a Rabbit make me scum?

It should be the opposite. A wolf that sees a hard to lynch townie with a stupid tunnel should just let that happen or if they’re one of the several players being tunneled, just focus on outrunning the friend instead of the bear.

I don’t get why town!Rabbit omgus tunnels anyone who voiced suspicion of him.

There are lots of little things that bug me like going along with the double voter thing, saying he’ll self resolve when there are no flips, saying he’s spewed by D1 posts we can’t see and pushing away suspicion by saying anyone that suspects him is scumclaiming. I’m not sure how much of that is trolling tbf.

Dom

I need to think on this, but thank you, Jack.

@sprityo @Jackofhearts2005

Let's talk. Gimme a hot take.

Hot take on what dom?

Make a hot take. Show me you ain't the bad guy I think you are.

Hot take like suggest some ridiculous shit or hot take like say some controversial shit. I don’t know how to do hot takes and wouldn’t know where and how to start

[Dom]

So.
Sprit keeps emphasizing how much I'm not participating.

I have more posts than he this day period.

Post number does not equal content

Also I’m not emphasizing it?

Footage Found
1. Exhibit A
2. Exhibit B

So the first one is a funny jab

The second is me explaining the truth to evenstar, one that you even acknowledged already as true? Don’t push your fake shade on me please

no no no no no no no no no

You can't be out here being like LOL DOM IS NEVER AROUND AND DOESN'T SHOW UP and then get shown up by me in terms of content.

[Dom]

maybe doms the pawn partner with his awkward reaction to flipping on pawn?

i just realized that the scum in these layers can scumread partners without having to back up their scumreads with a vote so maybe theres more distancing than usual

what do you mean?

Hot take like suggest some ridiculous shit or hot take like say some controversial shit. I don’t know how to do hot takes and wouldn’t know where and how to start

I dunno sprityo, talk about something game related that isn't just telling me why my suspicion of you isn't good.

[sprityo]

I’m not being shown up by your content, I never have. I’ve been actively participating since the game started.

It’s more so it wasn’t until I engaged you earlier today that you started to put out content rather than shout blasphemy at everyone else who was also voicing suspicion on you due to your poor behavior on day 2

[iaafr]

im going to assume youre asking about the second part

since votes arent public, scum have no reason to be honest with where theyre voting. they can distort traditional associations more by lying about where they intend to vote more.

idk if the scum in this game actually thought of that though. maybe whoops for bringing it up but whatever

[sprityo]

(While admittedly we are doing the same thing) ummm I mean do you want me to lay out what I think of everyone? Is that what you want?

Are you looking for something like “I think evenstar and pawn are w/w”

[iaafr]

the nature of epignosis's questioning of me and push on me rings more fake than jack's, now that ive just read them in short succession

and like

i see no reason why epi and pawn couldnt be hard "bussing" each other at this point if they're both scum

[sprityo]

[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention] [mention]iaafr[/mention]

Why am I in your bottom three? Epi laid it out earlier for me, but I’m at a loss of why I’m there for you guys.

[iaafr]

i just found how you acted towards me and your first catchup this day a bit scummy

i think i mentioned that i didnt like that the only thing you quoted of epis was something that was unrelated to the giant thing between me and epi, which i think you shouldve commented at least something on, but idk

but im considering that you might be town now that im playing around with pawn scum worlds i dont know

[sprityo]

Also [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] spin me some of your reads directly so that I can retain knowledge of them and maybe I can finally form an opinion about you rather than sticking you in the bottom because I can’t get a grasp on what you’re doing?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t know how to make a 3 person dartboard. It’s 2 people or 5 people.

[Dom]

I’m not being shown up by your content, I never have. I’ve been actively participating since the game started.

It’s more so it wasn’t until I engaged you earlier today that you started to put out content rather than shout blasphemy at everyone else who was also voicing suspicion on you due to your poor behavior on day 2

I didn't have poor behavior day 2, but okay.

(While admittedly we are doing the same thing) ummm I mean do you want me to lay out what I think of everyone? Is that what you want?

Are you looking for something like “I think evenstar and pawn are w/w”

Literally any theory.
I don't know why this is hard.

@Pawn Lelouch @iaafr

Why am I in your bottom three? Epi laid it out earlier for me, but I’m at a loss of why I’m there for you guys.

This is a good start.
It's an excellent question I didn't think of and one that I don't know the answer to. And it's an important one at that.

[iaafr]

I don’t know how to make a 3 person dartboard. It’s 2 people or 5 people.

5 people is legal

[sprityo]

i just found how you acted towards me and your first catchup this day a bit scummy

i think i mentioned that i didnt like that the only thing you quoted of epis was something that was unrelated to the giant thing between me and epi, which i think you shouldve commented at least something on, but idk

but im considering that you might be town now that im playing around with pawn scum worlds i dont know

So like a OMGUS?

[sprityo]

@Pawn Lelouch @iaafr

Why am I in your bottom three? Epi laid it out earlier for me, but I’m at a loss of why I’m there for you guys.

This is a good start.
It's an excellent question I didn't think of and one that I don't know the answer to. And it's an important one at that.

I am like a puppy and enjoy praise

[sprityo]

Oops quotes

[iaafr]

conversely if im wrong on this whole flip on pawn then dom/epignosis/sprit/radishes still sounds plausible to me and thats where ive been the whole day

but i guess my new update is regardless of whether he's right or wrong, jack feels like nonconsensus town who actually believes what hes saying...?

which is actually pawns read on jack which should give jack pause on pawn imo but im really undecided if i should actually flip on pawn

[Dom]

@Pawn Lelouch @iaafr

Why am I in your bottom three? Epi laid it out earlier for me, but I’m at a loss of why I’m there for you guys.

This is a good start.
It's an excellent question I didn't think of and one that I don't know the answer to. And it's an important one at that.

I am like a puppy and enjoy praise

i know.

[sprityo]

@Pawn Lelouch @iaafr

Why am I in your bottom three? Epi laid it out earlier for me, but I’m at a loss of why I’m there for you guys.

This is a good start.
It's an excellent question I didn't think of and one that I don't know the answer to. And it's an important one at that.

I am like a puppy and enjoy praise

[iaafr]

i just found how you acted towards me and your first catchup this day a bit scummy

i think i mentioned that i didnt like that the only thing you quoted of epis was something that was unrelated to the giant thing between me and epi, which i think you shouldve commented at least something on, but idk

but im considering that you might be town now that im playing around with pawn scum worlds i dont know

So like a OMGUS?

no that would involve me saying something about your scumread of me, which wasn't part of my logic in the post you just quoted

it is more about what you chose to focus on during your first catchup

[sprityo]

i just found how you acted towards me and your first catchup this day a bit scummy

i think i mentioned that i didnt like that the only thing you quoted of epis was something that was unrelated to the giant thing between me and epi, which i think you shouldve commented at least something on, but idk

but im considering that you might be town now that im playing around with pawn scum worlds i dont know

So like a OMGUS?

no that would involve me saying something about your scumread of me, which wasn't part of my logic in the post you just quoted

it is more about what you chose to focus on during your first catchup

I assume you’re referring to my dismissal of your theory then?

[iaafr]

i just found how you acted towards me and your first catchup this day a bit scummy

i think i mentioned that i didnt like that the only thing you quoted of epis was something that was unrelated to the giant thing between me and epi, which i think you shouldve commented at least something on, but idk

but im considering that you might be town now that im playing around with pawn scum worlds i dont know

So like a OMGUS?

no that would involve me saying something about your scumread of me, which wasn't part of my logic in the post you just quoted

it is more about what you chose to focus on during your first catchup

I assume you’re referring to my dismissal of your theory then?

no the other stuff that wasnt me i didnt really like the focus

its not a strong case lets forget about it

whats your current read on pawn and why

[iaafr]

i feel like if im looking at a pawn/radishes scumworld then they tmi'd epignosis town

so pawn/radishes/dom still makes sense to me

they all kind of pushed each other a bit but i could see it still being partnery

[iaafr]

i mean dom also pretty much tmi'd epignosis town if he's scum

epignosis is like the rational voice the scum mostly townread until pawn was forced to flip on epig a bit...?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also Jackofhearts2005 spin me some of your reads directly so that I can retain knowledge of them and maybe I can finally form an opinion about you rather than sticking you in the bottom because I can’t get a grasp on what you’re doing?

Okay so if I’m talking about independent scumreads, I assume you’ve seen my big thing on Rabbit. I’m not getting a tone of agreement on it though. I also don’t like the push on quieter players yesterday.

Then Pawn basically has consensus reads and I don’t know why he has some of them. Like why he suspects me or trusts Rabbit. Feels fake and convenient. Ditto on the quiet player reads yesterday. In fairness, maybe he explained his reads better yesterday. I kinda think he didn’t. I remember asking for players with way different reads than me had those reads and I think only Radish really answered the question.

Radishes seemed like he was making unreasonable pushes on Eva and Epi yesterday. Same story on the quiet player scumreads.

Epi’s read on me is pretty garbo.

Dom has been more aggression than garbo and is sheepish some bad Epi reads. Buuuuut Dom always suspects me.

Colin, I don’t have a lot of reason to trust or suspect.

I townread Eva off the Drago flip and generally looking town. I townread you for effort without ever looking agenday. I did townread Epi but he basically told me not to. Idk.

That’s kinda where I’m at.

[Dom]

Dom has been more aggression than garbo and is sheepish some bad Epi reads. Buuuuut Dom always suspects me.

Jack I honestly read this about a dozen times and I still don't know what it says.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also Jackofhearts2005 spin me some of your reads directly so that I can retain knowledge of them and maybe I can finally form an opinion about you rather than sticking you in the bottom because I can’t get a grasp on what you’re doing?

Okay so if I’m talking about independent scumreads, I assume you’ve seen my big thing on Rabbit. I’m not getting a tone of agreement on it though. I also don’t like the push on quieter players yesterday.

Then Pawn basically has consensus reads and I don’t know why he has some of them. Like why he suspects me or trusts Rabbit. Feels fake and convenient. Ditto on the quiet player reads yesterday. In fairness, maybe he explained his reads better yesterday. I kinda think he didn’t. I remember asking for players with way different reads than me had those reads and I think only Radish really answered the question.

Radishes seemed like he was making unreasonable pushes on Eva and Epi yesterday. Same story on the quiet player scumreads.

Epi’s read on me is pretty garbo.

Dom has been more aggression than garbo and is sheepish some bad Epi reads. Buuuuut Dom always suspects me.

Colin, I don’t have a lot of reason to trust or suspect.

I townread Eva off the Drago flip and generally looking town. I townread you for effort without ever looking agenday. I did townread Epi but he basically told me not to. Idk.

That’s kinda where I’m at.

I forgot to say Radishes has seemed more reasonable today.

[iaafr]

jack can we agree on pawn/radishes/dom and call it a day

[Jackofhearts2005]

i mean dom also pretty much tmi'd epignosis town if he's scum

A scum Pawn might do the same for you and Radishes.

I don’t expect we’ll get a flip though.