Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 9:57 pm
I don't know if this means anything to new people, but I think JJJ will back me up if it helps.
I don't lynch JJJ Day 1 (I've said this much) but I don't kill JJJ Night 1 either. I consider him prime competition when I am bad and he is not.
If you care enough to believe that, then you will know I'm good. I understand if you don't.
Why did you feel the need to post your mafia thought process?
It's a code, not a thought process.
Okay then why did you feel the need to tell everyone your code. I just dont see how you connected those dots to need to post this
You misunderstand.
I don't feel the need to discuss any of that. I do it because if people who know me have any sense, they'll know I'm telling the truth and trust me and encourage others to do the same. It would save everybody a lot of time.
Mac is slow though, so I can't speak for him.
So the point is lost on me I see I see
What was the purpose of your asking me the question then?
I dont see the point of you posting it. It’s kinda random, you’re not really up for a wagon, and you havent come under hard suspicion up to that point.
I just dont see a reason as to why you felt the need to make that statement
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:02 pm
Consider this too:
Killing JJJ Night 1 in this particular setup is a rookie mistake.
If there is a civilian watcher, a civilian tracker, and a civilian jailer, and you know this, then taking a shot at the most active person who just nailed Ultra is not very wise. I would have advised against such a thing myself.
So that directs me to consider who is not wise or not paying attention to the setup.
At the time that Epi posted this DDL was equal vote leader. DDL is not a "rookie". I think this post is a very clever way of deconstructive the DDL suspicion before it takes off.
You can see how it's bullshit because he is now, even though he made this post, pushing a speedchuck wagon. Speedchuck is a very regular player on these forums. So if he genuinely believed what he wrote here, why is he pushing suspicion against speedchuck?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:02 pm
Consider this too:
Killing JJJ Night 1 in this particular setup is a rookie mistake.
If there is a civilian watcher, a civilian tracker, and a civilian jailer, and you know this, then taking a shot at the most active person who just nailed Ultra is not very wise. I would have advised against such a thing myself.
So that directs me to consider who is not wise or not paying attention to the setup.
At the time that Epi posted this DDL was equal vote leader. DDL is not a "rookie". I think this post is a very clever way of deconstructive the DDL suspicion before it takes off.
You can see how it's bullshit because he is now, even though he made this post, pushing a speedchuck wagon. Speedchuck is a very regular player on these forums. So if he genuinely believed what he wrote here, why is he pushing suspicion against speedchuck?
Why did you feel the need to post your mafia thought process?
It's a code, not a thought process.
Okay then why did you feel the need to tell everyone your code. I just dont see how you connected those dots to need to post this
You misunderstand.
I don't feel the need to discuss any of that. I do it because if people who know me have any sense, they'll know I'm telling the truth and trust me and encourage others to do the same. It would save everybody a lot of time.
Mac is slow though, so I can't speak for him.
So the point is lost on me I see I see
What was the purpose of your asking me the question then?
I dont see the point of you posting it. It’s kinda random, you’re not really up for a wagon, and you havent come under hard suspicion up to that point.
I just dont see a reason as to why you felt the need to make that statement
Two reasons.
First, I believe in narrowing the suspect pool down as much as possible. If people can do that and be honest with their assessments and objections, then civilians have a better chance.
Second, I think if regulars here can get over themselves and recognize a sign that clears me (i.e., that I do not kill JJJ Night 1), it will give new people here a chance to direct their efforts to more fruitful endeavors.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:02 pm
Consider this too:
Killing JJJ Night 1 in this particular setup is a rookie mistake.
If there is a civilian watcher, a civilian tracker, and a civilian jailer, and you know this, then taking a shot at the most active person who just nailed Ultra is not very wise. I would have advised against such a thing myself.
So that directs me to consider who is not wise or not paying attention to the setup.
At the time that Epi posted this DDL was equal vote leader. DDL is not a "rookie". I think this post is a very clever way of deconstructive the DDL suspicion before it takes off.
You can see how it's bullshit because he is now, even though he made this post, pushing a speedchuck wagon. Speedchuck is a very regular player on these forums. So if he genuinely believed what he wrote here, why is he pushing suspicion against speedchuck?
Okay then why did you feel the need to tell everyone your code. I just dont see how you connected those dots to need to post this
You misunderstand.
I don't feel the need to discuss any of that. I do it because if people who know me have any sense, they'll know I'm telling the truth and trust me and encourage others to do the same. It would save everybody a lot of time.
Mac is slow though, so I can't speak for him.
So the point is lost on me I see I see
What was the purpose of your asking me the question then?
I dont see the point of you posting it. It’s kinda random, you’re not really up for a wagon, and you havent come under hard suspicion up to that point.
I just dont see a reason as to why you felt the need to make that statement
Two reasons.
First, I believe in narrowing the suspect pool down as much as possible. If people can do that and be honest with their assessments and objections, then civilians have a better chance.
Second, I think if regulars here can get over themselves and recognize a sign that clears me (i.e., that I do not kill JJJ Night 1), it will give new people here a chance to direct their efforts to more fruitful endeavors.
I can see why the first one is good
The second one is still lost on me since I am a newer player, and nothing like that has happened.
I think he’s been mostly townie so far outside of the Ultra stuff.
It does look like Ultra was trying to distance himself from Speed, but I would only consider that really bad if Speed was calling Ultra town, or was doing it as blatantly. At the moment it just looks more like Ultra shading someone who’s gotten a lot of towncred in order to displace town
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:33 pm
Fuck it. I don't know what I saw. I'm tired.
These are the only blatant claims made so far. There was some discussion about Gemma leaving bread crumbs about being a Watcher by Owner due to bird posting
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:36 pm
Luxurious, you have my vote this round. Where you vote, I will vote.
Uh I’m on Dragomir atm just because I think he’s very reachy for towncred and hasnt actually been interacting with his reads at all.
He also really wanted town cred for that one post that was stuff I figured I already said. Still waiting for info about his switch on Owner based off claims because it was... weird, to say the least
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:36 pm
Luxurious, you have my vote this round. Where you vote, I will vote.
Uh I’m on Dragomir atm just because I think he’s very reachy for towncred and hasnt actually been interacting with his reads at all.
He also really wanted town cred for that one post that was stuff I figured I already said. Still waiting for info about his switch on Owner based off claims because it was... weird, to say the least
I already voted there too. Sometimes my utility is in backing up people I believe are good instead of trying to get my own way.
Luxurious wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:42 pm
I’m not sure I’m gonna stay on Dragomir until EoD but like, alright I guess
My problem with Dragomir is the insistence that DDL (or anybody) is bad.
To me DDL is a civilian.
I’m still leaning civ on DDL but damn if I dont think Mac has a good theory.
My only issue with it is that a doctor and jailkeeper have already outted to protecting JJJ. unless the JOAT is in town hands and used their protection on Nova, or even roleblocked someone to stop the Nova kill, there’s not much left for that theory
I'm tired and have to work tomorrow. I will not be available until close to time to vote for realies. If there is anything anybody wants from me now, speak.
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:38 pm
Please let's lynch DDL. There's not a speck of townie on him.
-Opportunistic jump on speedchuchk's bait and according from others, chuck is renowned as someone who hates no lynching so I'm not understanding how he doesn't see it as a joke.
-His post explaining why there could be a reason for wanting to no lynch is illogical in itself and a big contradiction to his previous actions. Not to note, he completely ignored it and is trying something now against Novas.
-His retreat after being confronted for his vote on Chuck was just bad. It just reeked of trying to appear better after realizing how bad they looked for what they did. This kinda self-awareness is very much from a scum POV and him admitting to it ain't really that much either as something so obvious, you're better off admitting then trying to find excuses.
-Now he's making a rather weak case against Novas, coming to this conclusion from Mac calling him out. Seems like the dude was trying to make a meta read that didn't work. Mans trying to get some town cred after doing much of nothing else huh? It ain't working fam.
These are all reasons I view DDL as a good little boy.
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:38 pm
Please let's lynch DDL. There's not a speck of townie on him.
-Opportunistic jump on speedchuchk's bait and according from others, chuck is renowned as someone who hates no lynching so I'm not understanding how he doesn't see it as a joke.
-His post explaining why there could be a reason for wanting to no lynch is illogical in itself and a big contradiction to his previous actions. Not to note, he completely ignored it and is trying something now against Novas.
-His retreat after being confronted for his vote on Chuck was just bad. It just reeked of trying to appear better after realizing how bad they looked for what they did. This kinda self-awareness is very much from a scum POV and him admitting to it ain't really that much either as something so obvious, you're better off admitting then trying to find excuses.
-Now he's making a rather weak case against Novas, coming to this conclusion from Mac calling him out. Seems like the dude was trying to make a meta read that didn't work. Mans trying to get some town cred after doing much of nothing else huh? It ain't working fam.
These are all reasons I view DDL as a good little boy.
The strength of your civilian read lies in observing the same things that Dragomir finds scummy, as not scummy?
I don't believe that you could formulate a strong civilian read on DDL based on just this. Do you have more?
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:38 pm
Please let's lynch DDL. There's not a speck of townie on him.
-Opportunistic jump on speedchuchk's bait and according from others, chuck is renowned as someone who hates no lynching so I'm not understanding how he doesn't see it as a joke.
-His post explaining why there could be a reason for wanting to no lynch is illogical in itself and a big contradiction to his previous actions. Not to note, he completely ignored it and is trying something now against Novas.
-His retreat after being confronted for his vote on Chuck was just bad. It just reeked of trying to appear better after realizing how bad they looked for what they did. This kinda self-awareness is very much from a scum POV and him admitting to it ain't really that much either as something so obvious, you're better off admitting then trying to find excuses.
-Now he's making a rather weak case against Novas, coming to this conclusion from Mac calling him out. Seems like the dude was trying to make a meta read that didn't work. Mans trying to get some town cred after doing much of nothing else huh? It ain't working fam.
These are all reasons I view DDL as a good little boy.
The strength of your civilian read lies in observing the same things that Dragomir finds scummy, as not scummy?
I don't believe that you could formulate a strong civilian read on DDL based on just this. Do you have more?
Mac, I frankly don't give a toss what you have to say about me. You do what you want. You lack the leadership skills to rally anybody to actually lynch me, so I'm not scared of you.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:35 am
Mac, I frankly don't give a toss what you have to say about me. You do what you want. You lack the leadership skills to rally anybody to actually lynch me, so I'm not scared of you.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:35 am
Mac, I frankly don't give a toss what you have to say about me. You do what you want. You lack the leadership skills to rally anybody to actually lynch me, so I'm not scared of you.
Do you realise that I take pride in the fact that I am actually a leader? Like irl in my job? You probably don't, but that's probably a good reason why you shouldn't just say dumb bullshit like that because you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:36 am
Like why is attacking me like that called for? Why do you feel the need to play the game with such a bad attitude?
I am sorry. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. You talk shit so I thought I could talk shit.
