Community Mafia [GAME OVER]

#1501

Good fight mafiassholes. Doing well.

#1502

I need to stop assuming other people to be rational.

#1503

I won’t be able to say much until later. For now, a grievance:

In the absence of a counter-claim, why was leetic not given any space here? By the end of the day, it had been correctly reasoned that the only other player who could really be a cop was DFaraday (who I already have slotted for something else). We knew there was a cop.

I had tried to see a cop in leetic before I left and failed for the same reasons he was doubted. But then he claimed it with no obvious protest.

Needless to say that stinks, and I’ll be looking into it.

#1504

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:41 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:24 pm I have no idea why people are accepting a 7-2 lynch here, especially since there is no proof (like a negative cop result) that I am scum. Mafia is just taking advantage of an easy opportunity, and you better have a damn good plan for the next day.
And secondly, if you're the cop, how many cops are in here?

Got em.

What the hell is this?

#1505

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:12 am I won’t be able to say much until later. For now, a grievance:

In the absence of a counter-claim, why was leetic not given any space here? By the end of the day, it had been correctly reasoned that the only other player who could really be a cop was DFaraday (who I already have slotted for something else). We knew there was a cop.

I had tried to see a cop in leetic before I left and failed for the same reasons he was doubted. But then he claimed it with no obvious protest.

Needless to say that stinks, and I’ll be looking into it.

Fuck you dad

#1506

Dad is about to start outing people against their will.

#1507

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:02 pm I'm not a cop, I'm a vig (and I don't intend to use it).

What? Well you're clearly bad.

We have had a well-narrowed POE pool, and you're telling me you don't have any intention of shooting one of them? You're not a vigilante.

#1508

If the game began at 9 vs. 3, we're at 6 vs. 2 (probably headed for 5 vs. 2). There's still time to regroup, but that's only one mistake left. Don't let this thread take a shit or I swear

#1509

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:20 pm "Give me another day because I'll make it worth your while" is a hail Mary, because if you were genuine, you would 1) have to know you would be better off not saying anything at all because 2) you just invited the mafia to kill you.

This is horseshit. Being lynched is well worse than being killed by the mafia.

#1510

[mention]DFaraday[/mention], who did you target on Night 2? Don't claim your role yet if you're not ready; I already have an idea anyway. I just need to know who you targeted.

#1511

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:12 am I won’t be able to say much until later. For now, a grievance:

In the absence of a counter-claim, why was leetic not given any space here? By the end of the day, it had been correctly reasoned that the only other player who could really be a cop was DFaraday (who I already have slotted for something else). We knew there was a cop.

I had tried to see a cop in leetic before I left and failed for the same reasons he was doubted. But then he claimed it with no obvious protest.

Needless to say that stinks, and I’ll be looking into it.

The would be other cop (DF) went and voted him though. That make me feel good about it.

#1512

Last time someone tried to pull the "I am X but don't wanna use it" card it was Quin in the Fire Emblem game. He was bad.

#1513

I would like to assess the two-man team dynamics, but I don't even know if there are two mafia. I'll probably do it anyway.

#1514

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:45 pm I want to lynch Epi, DDL, or nova today. Maybe rey or Quin but they aren't at the top of POE. Not sabie, I think she checks out.

P L A Y E R

S A L A D

Textbook variety. I'm annoyed at myself for missing this until now. Annihilate Colin next or else. I might be dead, so make sure it happens.

"I would lynch X, Y, Z, or maybe W" is the encyclopedia example of the sort of salad that nets mafia flips. I did a review of this in a recent game about an INH post that I can share shortly.

#1515

Behold the magic of player salad

I compiled this review for Hogwarts Mafia to get INH lynched. He was a mafioso too. I am not talking about any accusations of salad you may encounter, because most people use the term wrongly. This is the good shit.

#1516

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:07 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:02 pm I'm not a cop, I'm a vig (and I don't intend to use it).
What? Well you're clearly bad.

We have had a well-narrowed POE pool, and you're telling me you don't have any intention of shooting one of them? You're not a vigilante.

I hate being a vig. I don’t trust myself to make the right call and there are just too few people for me to take the risk.

Of course, if there is a wide open sentiment that I should use it, I will, but I’d really rather not.

#1517

Potential teammate analyses

Colin and DF

~ Colin doesn't get the DF wagon on D1
~ Colin likes DF on D2
~ DF said nothing about Colin

Compatibility: Yes, but not to any interesting degree. Yellow

Colin and DDL

~ Here are three boring | reads-independent | exchanges.
~ Colin sees where DDL is coming from and thinks he looks good on D1 (both times mentioned alongside dunya).
~ Colin includes DDL in the aforementioned player salad mess on D2.
~ Colin voted DDL on D2 90 minutes prior to the deadline and left it there. I will have to examine the tally at that time to discern how much I care.
~ DDL excludes Colin and nova for some reason when I ask him about his eagerness to lynch the lowest-posting players on D1.
~ DDL refers to a dunya paragraph as disgusting when she is critical of Colin on D1.
~ DDL defends Colin against dunya regarding the Best New Player gag.
~ DDL accuses dunya of backpedaling on her suspicion of Colin on D1.
~ DDL doesn't have a read on Colin when I prod for one on D1. After all this Colin-related dialogue that's goofy as hell.

Spoiler: show

~ DDL expands on that and it's still nothing.
~ DDL looked into Colin's ISO and came up with nothing again apart from one puny "a bit pingy" comment. This is gross.
~ DDL grades Colin as a meh in the trustfall exercise.
~ DDL: "I guess Colin looks the least safe to be civ" Link -- "I guess" is never inspiring
~ DDL recommends Colin claim cop if he's the cop to counter leetic. At this point the lynch was well-decided, so meh.

Compatibility: Yes. Loudly. Red

#1518

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:09 am If the game began at 9 vs. 3, we're at 6 vs. 2 (probably headed for 5 vs. 2). There's still time to regroup, but that's only one mistake left. Don't let this thread take a shit or I swear

One mistake left, indeed, which is why I’m not planning on using the shot. Are you reading your own posts Jay?

#1519

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:08 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:09 am If the game began at 9 vs. 3, we're at 6 vs. 2 (probably headed for 5 vs. 2). There's still time to regroup, but that's only one mistake left. Don't let this thread take a shit or I swear
One mistake left, indeed, which is why I’m not planning on using the shot. Are you reading your own posts Jay?

You could have used your alleged vig shot in any night phase to save us the need to lynch any one of the players in the suspect pool. Even shooting a civilian wouldn't have been the end of the world; it'd open the next lynch to someone else. You're full of shit.

#1520

Feel free to think that. My distaste of the vig role is well-documented in other games here where I’ve said I don’t like using it.

#1521

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:40 am In all likelihood though I probably would hesitate to use my vig power until my reads can be refined. I don’t think I ever have been a vig but that’s one where you can really fuck some stuff up.

#1522

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:06 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:07 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:02 pm I'm not a cop, I'm a vig (and I don't intend to use it).
What? Well you're clearly bad.

We have had a well-narrowed POE pool, and you're telling me you don't have any intention of shooting one of them? You're not a vigilante.
I hate being a vig. I don’t trust myself to make the right call and there are just too few people for me to take the risk.

Of course, if there is a wide open sentiment that I should use it, I will, but I’d really rather not.

It's not about figuring out who the scum is, it's about making a rational play. If we have a PoE, kill everyone on it. GG.

#1523

Imagine if Reywas had been vigged already.

#1524

Colin and Epignosis

~ Colin agrees with me that Epi could be a mafioso on D1.
~ Colin calls Epi an evil genius and refuses to award credit on N1.
~ Aw shucks
~ Colin includes Epi in the player salad.
~ Colin votes Epi on D2. This preceded his DDL vote.
~ Colin agrees Epi is the announcer and disregards any urgency to respond to the accusations he faced in that announcement. He mused briefly that it might have been Mac instead of Epi.
~ Epi gives me shit for wrankled via Colin's correct spelling.
~ Epi asks about the timing of Colin's vote for colonialbob on N1.
~ Epi voted Colin on D2 while "giving sabie some room to breathe".
~ Epi thinks Colin is bad, albeit less so than sabie.
~ Epi calls Colin his top suspect on D3 and attributes his bob vote to a poor mafia choice. Followed with a vote
~ Epi reiterates bad read on Colin.
~ Epi ended up on the leetic wagon.

Compatibility: It looks appropriate from Colin's end, but less so from Epi's end. Orange

#1525

I don’t think that at any point we’ve had enough wiggle room, and I haven’t felt good enough about my reads, for m to justify using my shot. If you find that disagreeable, then idk, why don’t you lynch somebody

#1526

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:17 am Imagine if Reywas had been vigged already.

As if we have a consensus, indisputable PoE even now. This high horse doesn’t suit you.

#1527

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:21 am I don’t think that at any point we’ve had enough wiggle room, and I haven’t felt good enough about my reads, for m to justify using my shot. If you find that disagreeable, then idk, why don’t you lynch somebody

I intend to.

#1528

#1529

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:35 am

I really don't even care about the vigilante claim. We've seen in this game already that power roles don't always behave as expected. As of this moment though it's just a claim that exists which by the nature of your "hesitation" cannot be verified.

I think you look quite bad regardless.

#1530

Again, I’m happy to address any qualms you may have.

#1531

If you think I should use my vig, then make a list of everyone in the game from most suspected to least suspected. I’ll compile the results, use my own reads, and who knows, maybe I’ll even use it.

#1532

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:43 am If you think I should use my vig, then make a list of everyone in the game from most suspected to least suspected. I’ll compile the results, use my own reads, and who knows, maybe I’ll even use it.

Kill someone who didn't vote for Bob.

#1533

I made my instructions clear. If you don’t have such a clear idea of who to kill then, hm, maybe you ought to reconsider the notion I should use it?

#1534

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:50 am I made my instructions clear. If you don’t have such a clear idea of who to kill then, hm, maybe you ought to reconsider the notion I should use it?

You are not in a position to negotiate. If you refuse to use your role, I'll assume you are lying about it and lynch you.

#1535

#1536

We have PoE. Everybody who didn't vote for Bob. Help clean the rest of the list faster. Anyone from it who dies helps the town.

Fuck if you kill me you are preventing me from being lynched which is still good.

#1537

In what world do I, as scum, decide to claim for a role that is so far unverifiable and then say I will refuse to let you verify it? Do you even actually suspect me?

#1538

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:50 am I made my instructions clear. If you don’t have such a clear idea of who to kill then, hm, maybe you ought to reconsider the notion I should use it?

I have four major suspects: nova, DDL, Epi, and yourself. Take your pick. I don’t want to telegraph the shot and end up with an obvious roleblock.

Two civilian deaths tonight would generate a probable MyLo, and I frankly don’t care. We’re just going to lynch people anyway. A narrower pool may solve the game on its own.

I want to hear everyone’s opinions on this.

#1539

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:54 am In what world do I, as scum, decide to claim for a role that is so far unverifiable and then say I will refuse to let you verify it? Do you even actually suspect me?

Yes I do. Like I said, Quin did the same thing in Fire Emblem.

#1540

If the PoE is “everyone who didn’t vote for Bob,” why are you saying you want me lynched? Why is Jay saying he wants me lynched?

Gee, it’s almost like ... people have different PoEs ... or you’re lying ... gee, a real brainbuster ...

#1541

And Jay is right, we shouldn't direct the vig. That allows mafia to use roleblocke/protects at the right time.

Follow you instincts and murder some people. I promise I won't blame you if you hit a civ.

#1542

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:57 am If the PoE is “everyone who didn’t vote for Bob,” why are you saying you want me lynched? Why is Jay saying he wants me lynched?

Gee, it’s almost like ... people have different PoEs ... or you’re lying ... gee, a real brainbuster ...

Because right now the low possibility that you bussed your teammate is being offset by your blatant refusal to use your claimed role in favor of town's wincon.

#1543

First we have cops who refuse to reveal civ reads, now vigs who refuse to kill mafia.

Might as well just give every win to mafia by default if people are gonna play like this.

#1544

If you believe that my using the vig shot is helpful to the town’s wincon, then you and I have different brains. And we do!

But people seem to want it, so I want PoEs from everybody else. Thanks.

#1545

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:00 pm First we have cops who refuse to reveal civ reads, now vigs who refuse to kill mafia.

Might as well just give every win to mafia by default if people are gonna play like this.

I just want you to know if I vig you, it’s only partially because of how insufferably you’re behaving.

#1546

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:02 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:00 pm First we have cops who refuse to reveal civ reads, now vigs who refuse to kill mafia.

Might as well just give every win to mafia by default if people are gonna play like this.
I just want you to know if I vig you, it’s only partially because of how insufferably you’re behaving.

Please do. I'm playing like garbage, everyone suspects me, and I have a history of being mislynched at Lylo. People tinfoil on me all game until they go "yeah it's DDL" and lynch me. If you can help avoid that nightmare scenario again it will be great.

#1547

Though it will be even greater if you hit one of nova/Epi/DF and end up being right.

#1548

Hint: nobody wants to lynch Jay, Quin or Mac. They tried to hit Quin last night even. He's 99% confirmed town. The other two are civ as fuck.

That's the PoE.

#1549

I have a strong suspicion of DF's role and am tempted to out him just so we can proceed through the list.

#1550

6 vs. 2 (if no independents, which is still not certain)

If Colin doesn't shoot and a mafia kill goes through:
5 vs. 2 on Day 4, not MyLo or LyLo
1 free mislynch available
Pool of suspects at least four deep including Colin himself

If Colin does shoot and is blocked while a mafia kill goes through:
Same as above

If Colin does shoot and hits a civilian while a mafia kill goes through:
4 vs. 2 on Day 4, MyLo [pending failed kill]
0 free mislynches available
Pool of suspects at least three deep, Colin potentially looking better

If Colin does shoot and hits a mafioso while a mafia kill goes through:
5 vs. 1 on Day 4, not MyLo or LyLo
1 free mislynch available
Pool of suspects at least three deep, Colin looking good

Who do you vote for?