Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

[DrWilgy]

Here's the thing though, Kubrick doesn't have to be a role reveal. I could be entirely made up. It's interaction with JJJ just seems too perfectly baddie oriented.

by everyone, I mean I sent the fake message to Mac, who roleclaimed for me

[Ricochet]

An example of the PM that could've been sent is this:

Hey SVS can you format this and send this message to the thread:
A role has been revealed!
Stanley Kubrick, A BADDIE: On Position 1, cannot be lynched. On any other position, cannot be night killed

At least that's how I formatted my messages in Star Wars.

But... the first line is written in Host Post ink. The way you formatted your message above, it would not have Host Post ink on it. That's the kind of Hosts getting mixed up in the intentions of a faction, that I spoke about a while ago.

A role has been revealed!

Stanley Kubrick, A BADDIE:

On Position 1, cannot be lynched. On any other position, cannot be night killed

Also, to come back to the BR not saying anything idea, why would BR, revealing a baddie role, want to blab about it, in the thread... where baddies can pick up on who might have revealed their role?

[Ricochet]

You also don't post fake messages that are role reveals... in the revealed roles first page section. That's, like, further siding with whoever would do that's intentions. Literal bias. A fake message is a fake message. It doesn't get transported into the very design of the game.

[Marmot]

I didn't pick on Matt being that scumsky, what's your angle, MM?

I didn't say you picked on Matt for being a scumsky.

[Ricochet]

I didn't pick on Matt being that scumsky, what's your angle, MM?

I didn't say you picked on Matt for being a scumsky.

Pick on = picking up clues/proof.

[DrWilgy]

An example of the PM that could've been sent is this:

Hey SVS can you format this and send this message to the thread:
A role has been revealed!
Stanley Kubrick, A BADDIE: On Position 1, cannot be lynched. On any other position, cannot be night killed

At least that's how I formatted my messages in Star Wars.

But... the first line is written in Host Post ink. The way you formatted your message above, it would not have Host Post ink on it. That's the kind of Hosts getting mixed up in the intentions of a faction, that I spoke about a while ago.

A role has been revealed!

Stanley Kubrick, A BADDIE:

On Position 1, cannot be lynched. On any other position, cannot be night killed

Also, to come back to the BR not saying anything idea, why would BR, revealing a baddie role, want to blab about it, in the thread... where baddies can pick up on who might have revealed their role?

If I recall correctly, I think plenty of people were talking about that role. I don't think she would blab about it, rather mention it's existence at least once.

[Ricochet]

Now that the EoD is heating up and people will likely gather, I'd like to repost this set of ideas I don't feel I received much to any input from others.

Things currently players won't look into or reply to me

1) That follow-up question I posted after juliet's ISO.

2) "LC trusting Wilgy" / "Wilgy trusting LC", yet Wilgy not bothering to vote.
2b) Same with Matt.

3) Any input on Mac - how you read him vs. how much inconsistencies do you see or not in his game, based on what I've reported.

[Ricochet]

Regarding 2), arguably one of Wilgy or Matt (or motel room) could have been incapacitated from voting, but that still leaves the other one in the "I <3 LC, yet missed saving him" equation.

[juliets]

Now that the EoD is heating up and people will likely gather, I'd like to repost this set of ideas I don't feel I received much to any input from others.

Things currently players won't look into or reply to me

1) That follow-up question I posted after juliet's ISO.

2) "LC trusting Wilgy" / "Wilgy trusting LC", yet Wilgy not bothering to vote.
2b) Same with Matt.

3) Any input on Mac - how you read him vs. how much inconsistencies do you see or not in his game, based on what I've reported.

Rico, I'm not sure people understand your question after my ISO. It was something about whether zebra threw her power toward me. Here were zebras powers:

In position 4, Roger Rabbit can frame a player by making them appear bad to alignment checks.
In any other Position, he may target a player and force them to post using only emoticons for the next Day.

Obviously she didn't curse me to speak in emoticons so are you asking if she made me appear bad to alignment checks? Maybe you should repeat the question and be a little more specific as to what you are asking.

[Matt]

Yup, you're totes right Rico. I faked missing the vote when LC died to save my teammate Drac.

How do you feel about MM switching his vote to LC last minute that day, despite...

Y'know what, nvm. I'm not sussing MM anymore, I forgot. He's neutral despite the rolechecker telling us otherwise.

Derp.

[DrWilgy]

Hey Juliets, what are your thoughts on me currently?

[Ricochet]

Now that the EoD is heating up and people will likely gather, I'd like to repost this set of ideas I don't feel I received much to any input from others.

Things currently players won't look into or reply to me

1) That follow-up question I posted after juliet's ISO.

2) "LC trusting Wilgy" / "Wilgy trusting LC", yet Wilgy not bothering to vote.
2b) Same with Matt.

3) Any input on Mac - how you read him vs. how much inconsistencies do you see or not in his game, based on what I've reported.

Rico, I'm not sure people understand your question after my ISO. It was something about whether zebra threw her power toward me. Here were zebras powers:

In position 4, Roger Rabbit can frame a player by making them appear bad to alignment checks.
In any other Position, he may target a player and force them to post using only emoticons for the next Day.

Obviously she didn't curse me to speak in emoticons so are you asking if she made me appear bad to alignment checks? Maybe you should repeat the question and be a little more specific as to what you are asking.

oh..."make them appear bad..."



nevermind, I officially derped on that one.

Question rescinded! Your ISO officially ends at the second skeleton image. Everything posted after that is null and void.

[Ricochet]

Yup, you're totes right Rico. I faked missing the vote when LC died to save my teammate Drac.

How do you feel about MM switching his vote to LC last minute that day, despite...

Y'know what, nvm. I'm not sussing MM anymore, I forgot. He's neutral despite the rolechecker telling us otherwise.

Derp.

Who said anything about faking missing the vote?

I remember having some very harsh words about MM switching his vote to LC last minute, k?

[DharmaHelper]

Git gud tho.

[DrWilgy]

In regards to your question about Juliets, I don't know. It's a possibility, but I've seen less evidence of that being true than Kubrick's existence.

A quick ctrl+f search of Juliet's interactions with Dom make Juliets trusted Dom
A quck ctrl+f search of Dom's interactions with Juliets make me think Dom trusted her

Linki: well shit, I know why I was confused now.

[juliets]

Hey Juliets, what are your thoughts on me currently?

I'm trying to decide whether I'm going to change my vote. I will say however I thought your quotes on Sorsha were better proof that she did suspect Lorab and was not just bussing her. There were plenty of other people brought up as suspects that she could have jumped ship away from Lorab if she had wanted to avoid actually lynching her. I know you were trying to prove the opposite of what I saw there but I'm just telling you the way I see it. I'm probably the only one.

[Ricochet]

Hey Juliets, what are your thoughts on me currently?

I'm trying to decide whether I'm going to change my vote. I will say however I thought your quotes on Sorsha were better proof that she did suspect Lorab and was not just bussing her. There were plenty of other people brought up as suspects that she could have jumped ship away from Lorab if she had wanted to avoid actually lynching her. I know you were trying to prove the opposite of what I saw there but I'm just telling you the way I see it. I'm probably the only one.

Sure are. Everyone Sorsha did try to jump the suspicion boat to was whack. Sig on D2 for no previous reason. Golden on D3 for post-Fuzz-kill voodoo stuff or something like that. JJJ on and off for LC's case. None of her secondary suspicions hold up.

[Ricochet]

Also, bear in mind that FZ. and bea are the only ones who haven't voted so far, and one of them might be unable to do so. Therefore, there's not much wiggle room left, unless players start shifting votes. If you're civ, juliets, weigh your vote switch responsibly, if you intend to do so.

[DrWilgy]

Hey Juliets, what are your thoughts on me currently?

I'm trying to decide whether I'm going to change my vote. I will say however I thought your quotes on Sorsha were better proof that she did suspect Lorab and was not just bussing her. There were plenty of other people brought up as suspects that she could have jumped ship away from Lorab if she had wanted to avoid actually lynching her. I know you were trying to prove the opposite of what I saw there but I'm just telling you the way I see it. I'm probably the only one.

Which is a fair opinion. I went into that quoting thinking that Rico was onto something and may have been looking for it. Could also be signs of her being an unsure civ, but I'm doubting that was the case based upon her panic of recent phases.

Something that I think further weakens the Sorsha/Me bus theory, is that if Sorsha did bus LoRab like that, then if I bussed her, would that be her reaction be appropriate as a teammate that bussed LoRab?

[Marmot]

I didn't pick on Matt being that scumsky, what's your angle, MM?

I didn't say you picked on Matt for being a scumsky.

Pick on = picking up clues/proof.

I'm lost. When did I discuss you and Matt in the same post?

[Ricochet]

btw DH I found Wilgys and Sorsha equally bad in their ISOs, so you can vote with whomever you like today.

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linki: I'll rephrase dude. I'm not seeing Matt that bad on the scumscale, based on my ISO. What's your case on Matt being bad?

[Marmot]

Now that the EoD is heating up and people will likely gather, I'd like to repost this set of ideas I don't feel I received much to any input from others.

Things currently players won't look into or reply to me

1) That follow-up question I posted after juliet's ISO.

2) "LC trusting Wilgy" / "Wilgy trusting LC", yet Wilgy not bothering to vote.
2b) Same with Matt.

3) Any input on Mac - how you read him vs. how much inconsistencies do you see or not in his game, based on what I've reported.

I have talked about Mac. I responded to your question with why I think he's on DrWilgy's team.

Probably not the other two ideas.

Linki: You'll see my reason in the above link in this post. There hasn't been much if anything to make me think Matt is bad. I did list his name on a baddie team, but that was more for parity, and less for how I feel about him.

[juliets]

Also, bear in mind that FZ. and bea are the only ones who haven't voted so far, and one of them might be unable to do so. Therefore, there's not much wiggle room left, unless players start shifting votes. If you're civ, juliets, weigh your vote switch responsibly, if you intend to do so.

Gee Rico, I'm glad you reminded me to weigh any switch I might make responsibly because otherwise I might have forgotten.

[DharmaHelper]

btw DH I found Wilgys and Sorsha equally bad in their ISOs, so you can vote with whomever you like today.

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linki: I'll rephrase dude. I'm not seeing Matt that bad on the scumscale, based on my ISO. What's your case on Matt being bad?

D'ya think my fan club will switch over with me?

[Ricochet]

Also, bear in mind that FZ. and bea are the only ones who haven't voted so far, and one of them might be unable to do so. Therefore, there's not much wiggle room left, unless players start shifting votes. If you're civ, juliets, weigh your vote switch responsibly, if you intend to do so.

Gee Rico, I'm glad you reminded me to weigh any switch I might make responsibly because otherwise I might have forgotten.

Don't mention it.

Who would you switch to, though?

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[Matt]

Well, gotta get to work peeps.

Lol. Now you guys are thinking of switching to Sorsha? Please don't. Keep it between Wilgy and Drac, IMO.

Or switch to MM. Thanks!

Peace out

[Ricochet]

Well, gotta get to work peeps.

Lol. Now you guys are thinking of switching to Sorsha? Please don't. Keep it between Wilgy and Drac, IMO.

Or switch to MM. Thanks!

Peace out

Yeah, why should we switch to someone you barely mentioned any thoughts on?

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Wilgy just signed up for Arrested Development. Is he packing up his baddie medical kit, in preparation for toDay's flip?

[Marmot]

Well, gotta get to work peeps.

Lol. Now you guys are thinking of switching to Sorsha? Please don't. Keep it between Wilgy and Drac, IMO.

Or switch to MM. Thanks!

Peace out

[juliets]

Rico why are you counting down your posts?

[DrWilgy]

Me accepting that there's a good chance of me dying soon has nothing to do with alignment Rico.

5 left until 1000 Papryco posts Jules.

[Ricochet]

Rico why are you counting down your posts?

Something important is up ahead.

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[DrWilgy]

Papryco, what's yours and JJJ's records?

[Ricochet]

Papryco, what's yours and JJJ's records?

1,002 vs 1,450

But by virtue of Special Games not counting for the Championships, THM didn't count for The Syndicate, so I'll be officially first now.

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[DrWilgy]

Papryco, what's yours and JJJ's records?

1,002 vs 1,450

But by virtue of Special Games not counting for the Championships, THM didn't count for The Syndicate, so I'll be officially first now.

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[Ricochet]

I want to take this opportunity to salute our Turnip Grandmaster, who I am passing by for the second time.

Also, off to take a shower and do some homework. brb

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[JaggedJimmyJay]

This guy.

[DrWilgy]

Players that need to be murked:
Motel, MM, Drac.

[Marmot]

Papryco, what's yours and JJJ's records?

1,002 vs 1,450

But by virtue of Special Games not counting for the Championships, THM didn't count for The Syndicate, so I'll be officially first now.

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The Championship game counts as a Special Game.

[Ricochet]

Papryco, what's yours and JJJ's records?

1,002 vs 1,450

But by virtue of Special Games not counting for the Championships, THM didn't count for The Syndicate, so I'll be officially first now.

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The Championship game counts as a Special Game.

B-but ... it's made of genuine Full and Side elements!

I lost count.

[Marmot]

Players that need to be murked:
Motel, MM, Drac.

Why me? I've not been bodied yet.

Linki: Better try again in Arrested Development.

[DrWilgy]

Players that need to be murked:
Motel, MM, Drac.

Why me? I've not been bodied yet.

Linki: Better try again in Arrested Development.

I still don't believe Civs can win with you alive. If we can murk 2 or three baddies in a row, it would look exceptionally better for you Marmot. We may be able to win without lynching you at that point.

[DrWilgy]

Also that was

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Papryco

[Marmot]

I don't know why lynching me if we don't lynch baddies is necessary, but lynching me if we do lynch baddies is unnecessary.

The conclusion that this statement of yours brings me to is that you're saying the Baddies would benefit from lynching me while the civilians would not.

[Marmot]

Let me clarify.

You stated that you don't think the Civilians can win with me alive. Why then, if we lynch a couple baddies in a row, would it be okay to leave me alive?

[DrWilgy]

I don't know why lynching me if we don't lynch baddies is necessary, but lynching me if we do lynch baddies is unnecessary.

The conclusion that this statement of yours brings me to is that you're saying the Baddies would benefit from lynching me while the civilians would not.

Incorrect. Marmot, you have to realize that you are an enigma that can't be answered until game over right?

If we don't have to lynch you because we find baddies and other leads, that would be fantastic. If we are at Lylo and you are alive, there will be no way for us to and judge you other than whether or not we believe you.

Note that this is assuming you are 3rd party as you say. I don't want to decline your win condition if we don't have to, but at this point I think we might be pretty close to needing to.

Linki: because we won't be as close to LYLO

[DrWilgy]

Marmot, I think the only situation where you and I can win at the same time at this point is if we win before LYLO.

[Marmot]

Marmot, I think the only situation where you and I can win at the same time at this point is if we win before LYLO.

The unfortunate part of this LYLO bizness is that only the Baddies will know when that day comes.

Your continued reference to it (or anyone's really) does not look good for you.

[Ricochet]

If MM's role can be tagged as an "opposing faction" for the civs, then we can't win with him alive.

Marmot, I think the only situation where you and I can win at the same time at this point is if we win before LYLO.

Hey, what about me!

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[DrWilgy]

Marmot, I think the only situation where you and I can win at the same time at this point is if we win before LYLO.

The unfortunate part of this LYLO bizness is that only the Baddies will know when that day comes.

Your continued reference to it (or anyone's really) does not look good for you.

How-so? I think it's a legitimate concern here.

Started with 30 players, average mafia counts for a game that size is 7-9

There are 11 of us left and there are 2 dead baddies meaning:
If we started with 7 that means 5 baddies remain, meaning 5/11 and this is LYLO

The hope is that there are:
1. Two teams
2. Dead baddie seemers
3. A strangely low number of starting mafia

Linki - yes, you too Papryco

[Marmot]

Ok, but as a civilian, how does one say "Guys, we're in LYLO now, let's go ahead and lynch the marmot?" with any certain justification?