Game of Champions: East Facility (Night 2)

[nutella]

Actually kinda baffled that dizzy and sabi think alison is wilding. I don't often agree with alisons pushes but Winds posts are pretty unilaterally yikes here and ppl not having that reaction is weird

[nutella]

why would i waste my energy towncasing myself? it's the start of D1, what the fuck am i supposed to say? "hey guys i'm town" is the dumbest shit ever and I refuse to do that.
if you're town, go make other reads and draw your own conclusions. if you're scum and my reads are wrong i'm not going to do the work for you.

considering that you started off with "there's 4 people in this thread I would happily vote and they need to convince me that they are town"... you seem perfectly happy to accept the idea that players can and should towncase themselves early on lol

and yeah I'm talking about other reads, like #42 is all about sabi... it's not like you're the only person I've been focused on in this thread, whereas as far as I can tell, pretty much 100% of your substantive content in this thread has been about me.

I didn't want them to literally towncase themselves. I want them to show it by just doing their thing and posting. I find people when they show with their actions and words that they're town, not when they give a whole bullshit towncase on themselves. Because frankly, even if I'm town, if I towncase myself it is complete bullshit lol.

The other 2 people in my scumreads haven't posted in this thread yet, and neither has nutella, so yeah I am entirely focused on you right now. I'm not dead set on all of my scumreads being lockscum, but I need a starting point to hunt and I have that. The best way to read a player is to engage directly with them imo.

Other 2 or other 3? You said 4 total, so minus me, that's 3 more

Why is nutella significant?

nutella is one of them
then there are 2 more

and nutella is significant because i think her handling of falcon was weird
when i said that falcon and guillo weren't partnered, i had a more specific thought that guillo was towny, but i initially thought falcon was scummy off his opener. but when there was the whole back-and-forth regarding sabi's opener, falcon and guillo were clashing, so instead of giving individual reads on them i said i'm reading them as unpaired. which to me makes perfect sense because i scumread one and townread the other at the time.
that being said, by the time i came back to the thread, people were correcting me and saying that falcon always opens with "i am town" every time and it's not alignment-indicative, which, ok, fine. but nutella said falcon should be townread off his interaction and that instead of saying he's unpaired with guillo, i should call falcon town. and i don't particularly think falcon is towny so I want to press nutella first to see if it's tmi or if she's defending her partner. either way i don't think it came across as natural.

I explained why falcon is town and I'm just correct take the L

[nutella]

One again all of Alison scumread lack any bite or actual. Solving.

Sad

I have bagged 4 wolves and D1 has just begun

my reputation must truly be formidable if you call that lacking bite!

Seeing as I know 100% your are wrong on me, I can say your "scum hunting" this game is like level 0 which is once again not like your town game. When you're town you act have substance to your pushes. This shit is cotton candy.

Her push on you is trash but Wind feels like a hit. I don't think alison has all good reads here but like, broken clocks

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm playing pathfinder tonight but I'll be vaguely around tomorrow

DnD for me wanna TTRPG mason?

Yes <3

ok I will nat 20 you and you nat 1 me in bts and hopefully we break the game

I rolled four nat 20s and 5 crits lol

[nutella]

I meant to go to sleep instead of readjng threadbc headache but now I'm invested and I just realized both cait and abi are in the other thread so our page count is manageable lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

you could have used something more legit-sounding like "oh I have irl matters to attend to" (which would've been NAI btw because that's valid too)
just the idc attitude + not actually dipping off ig

I mean idk I did dip off like almost right away after that lol

[nutella]

oh and the nutella calling falcon town thing is because people think falcon sucks as wolf so they are just calling him town for it, it's a read i am ignoring because i dont want to treat falcon like a 5 year old

it's a sucky read because i saw him coast as scum in a game when people kept dismissing him as "in his town meta" when apparently he was not

Was she in that game too?

If not why would you think that nutella is maliciously deceiving you rather than being one of the apparently many people who are wont to dismiss falcon as being in his town meta for thin reasons?

I don't even think it's a thin reason lol. I have seen him do well as scum. The way he instantly got involved in a complex player interaction here was just towny

[nutella]

Having not caught up at all, in my head:

3 townreads I have right now are

Sabiplz
Lemonfairy
Guillotine

1 townlean I have right now is

Alison

Thumbs up for that

[nutella]

do you see me voting you? no. do i give a shit? yes, as far as that you're picking the wrong player to push. if you think you can get a mislunch on me, then good luck i guess.

so I can vote you but you don't have the stones to vote me back? great deal for me, never taking my vote off then!

cool, waste your vote then, that's great

Do you townread Alison?

not particularly
i'm not dead set on scumreading her, though, I'm trying to understand her thought process which is why i'm talking to her about falcon and nutella
but hell if i care whether scum wastes their vote
i honestly don't know if i care whether town wastes their vote on me or not, sometimes i just stop giving a shit and decide it's better for people to flip me early so they stop trying to preflip me as scum, since that tends to result in a ton of bad reads if i remain alive

ok these posts about getting mislunched are slightly more >rand town i think. Maybe sabi is right I'll sleep on it

[nutella]

#602

@nutella I disagree with sig being town because I saw things about them hunting 3p night 0, Guillo pointed it out #451

I don't care about that in context

[nutella]

if i had to put it into words id say that he feels like he's emulating the way LC treats EM girls

Had a similar concern in the first thread that I think sean or someone articulated (that guillo is being too acquiescent)

[nutella]

Also lol guys the host posts do tell us the other one is West nice showing that you aren't reading those

[Michelle]

if i had to put it into words id say that he feels like he's emulating the way LC treats EM girls

Had a similar concern in the first thread that I think sean or someone articulated (that guillo is being too acquiescent)

Seanzie said Guillo is too kind, or something similar.

[nutella]

I like how the mafia moved me into a thread away from all the mafia I caught so I can't vote them

[VOTE: Sabiplz] aubergine is the most likely hit probs

Welcome to the club.

This has to be an action from the mafia

If this was from town im gonna be loyally pissed.

Neither I think, just a mechanic borrowed from the severance game

[nutella]

I never got notified of the tag, but hey, I found the thread.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

full disclosure there are at least 4 names here that I'd strongly consider voting. If you're on that list and you're town, you'd better convince me of it.
and no, i'm not giving the list, it's in the N0 thread. do the work yourself.

This implies the existence of a vote list, instead its just "go read my iso to find out who I find scummy" there is no list. Just thought you should know

she probs has an NK priority list in scum chat with me at the top

might be what she was thinking of

why would i as scum bother killing you? you actually think you're that relevant?

probably cuz I caught your whole team LOL

unless you're claiming mafia and not teamed with any of my other suspects?

That said, these two are either w/w or t/t, never a difference check.

....What

[nutella]

if i had to put it into words id say that he feels like he's emulating the way LC treats EM girls

Had a similar concern in the first thread that I think sean or someone articulated (that guillo is being too acquiescent)

I still lean town on him atm I think. I've liked a decent amount of his contributions and that is kind of what feels off but atm think he's just actually genuine

[nutella]

Okay finally sweet sleep byyyeeee

[Master Radishes]

Can we trade a couple of our players for the West's players?

[Master Radishes]

I have an unexplainable urge to throw radishes into town lean for no reason

Follow that urge!

[Master Radishes]

oh and the nutella calling falcon town thing is because people think falcon sucks as wolf so they are just calling him town for it, it's a read i am ignoring because i dont want to treat falcon like a 5 year old

Falcon was once the Syndicate's leader in wolf wins for the calendar year.

He played a lot, and I wouldn't say he's some wolf savant, but he's definitely not particularly polarised. Some people just have a good read on him.

[Master Radishes]

I will say that no claiming/infodumping rules are a sign of a poorly designed setup, give mafia a soup if you really can't make a balanced game, but whatever

Agreed.

What is the fucking point of limiting us this way?

No claiming etc used to be the norm on Syndicate, if I recall correctly.

I like it tbh.

[Michelle]

Sharing some of Space Daisy's thoughts in here. The jist of it below

Game of Champions XIII [Night 0] #627

Slight town on Guillo and nut for content in their posts
Slight town on WWA and Sabi for nebulous vibes reasons
Wary of Michelle
Null on Caitlin, Abi, Alison
Mikami - Rico

I read that. What's your own thoughts?
That post is so generic that I didn't even put much weight into it as representing real reads.
Unfortunately we are now in separate threads and I don't know if I can read the other thread today to make a read on Daisy.

[Michelle]

Can we trade a couple of our players for the West's players?

Such as?

[Master Radishes]

Can we trade a couple of our players for the West's players?

Such as?

Well I'd love to see Sloonei. I don't want to name names of who I'd trade though.

[Master Radishes]

Imma lazily call Nutella town. I haven't played with her in...years? But she feels like her town self so far.

[Master Radishes]

"Can you explain that read, MR?"


I can't. I'm not feeling very good with words these days.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm playing pathfinder tonight but I'll be vaguely around tomorrow

DnD for me wanna TTRPG mason?

Yes <3

ok I will nat 20 you and you nat 1 me in bts and hopefully we break the game

I rolled four nat 20s and 5 crits lol

I guess we gotta switch because I rolled like ass. Used all my lucky points for worse rolls when it was a 3/4 to roll better

[RondoDimBuckle]

Sharing some of Space Daisy's thoughts in here. The jist of it below

Game of Champions XIII [Night 0] #627

Slight town on Guillo and nut for content in their posts
Slight town on WWA and Sabi for nebulous vibes reasons
Wary of Michelle
Null on Caitlin, Abi, Alison
Mikami - Rico

I read that. What's your own thoughts?
That post is so generic that I didn't even put much weight into it as representing real reads.
Unfortunately we are now in separate threads and I don't know if I can read the other thread today to make a read on Daisy.

You can see both threads?

[Michelle]

Sharing some of Space Daisy's thoughts in here. The jist of it below

Game of Champions XIII [Night 0] #627

Slight town on Guillo and nut for content in their posts
Slight town on WWA and Sabi for nebulous vibes reasons
Wary of Michelle
Null on Caitlin, Abi, Alison
Mikami - Rico

I read that. What's your own thoughts?
That post is so generic that I didn't even put much weight into it as representing real reads.
Unfortunately we are now in separate threads and I don't know if I can read the other thread today to make a read on Daisy.

You can see both threads?

Now that you said this I looked and I can't.
I just considered we should see it but I was wrong.


I'm going to enjoy RL for the rest of the day. I'll be back before going to sleep though.

[Michelle]

Anyways I’m town so I’m going to forget about the game and then come back on day 2 and be wrong about everything

If we town lock Tony for this post, the game is 1/30 easier

This is my contribution to society

I want more from you. Tyt but let's share impressions hopefully next time we are together here.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Sharing some of Space Daisy's thoughts in here. The jist of it below

Game of Champions XIII [Night 0] #627

Slight town on Guillo and nut for content in their posts
Slight town on WWA and Sabi for nebulous vibes reasons
Wary of Michelle
Null on Caitlin, Abi, Alison
Mikami - Rico

I read that. What's your own thoughts?
That post is so generic that I didn't even put much weight into it as representing real reads.
Unfortunately we are now in separate threads and I don't know if I can read the other thread today to make a read on Daisy.

You can see both threads?

Now that you said this I looked and I can't.
I just considered we should see it but I was wrong.


I'm going to enjoy RL for the rest of the day. I'll be back before going to sleep though.

I am going to consider this a slip and retreat

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm playing pathfinder tonight but I'll be vaguely around tomorrow

DnD for me wanna TTRPG mason?

Yes <3

ok I will nat 20 you and you nat 1 me in bts and hopefully we break the game

I rolled four nat 20s and 5 crits lol

I guess we gotta switch because I rolled like ass. Used all my lucky points for worse rolls when it was a 3/4 to roll better

I, on the other hand, went first in an encounter...crit twice and caused persistent bleed damage, the main enemy went second, and surrendered after taking their bleed damage.

I've never felt so alive and ill probably never roll as well as I did tonight again in my life

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Haha Michelle is mafia isn't she

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

[S~V~S]

Good Morning, East Facility!

My my, you guys are chatty!

I am here today to clarify the "Info Dumping" rules. We have been getting some questions, and I would like to clear it up on day one.

We are trying to prevent statements like, "I am the cop, and I checked SVS last night and she is a wolf". Or "I'm a neighborizer and I have a neighborhood with the tracker and the watcher and they say Scotty is a wolf.". We built a fairly complex game, and this rule helps maintain balance.

We realize that banning info in game spaces can have the side effect of also disallowing fake claims, and, well, if there are no real claims, you don't need to make a fake one

* "I am town" is not a role claim
* "I am a Cop" *IS* a role claim.
* "I am going to kill you" is not a role claim
* I am going to kill you tonight" *IS* a role claim since it implies you have a night kill

Our other point is this; we are happy to answer questions and listen to complaints about this in Discord channels; I love listening to complaints. Please don't complain in thread.

We want everyone to have a good time, including us coming up with penalties and then having to actually use them is no fun for you or us. We are all super smart, successful Mafia champions (you have to be smart to play this game!). We can figure this out.

And again, if you have any concerns/complaints, please not in the thread. Thank You!

This is not an endorsement of QotSA, but this song was very thematic.

[Alison]

I will say that no claiming/infodumping rules are a sign of a poorly designed setup, give mafia a soup if you really can't make a balanced game, but whatever

Agreed.

What is the fucking point of limiting us this way?

No claiming etc used to be the norm on Syndicate, if I recall correctly.

I like it tbh.

It also used to be the norm on syndicate that dead people cant get a win even if their faction does

shall we go back to that too

[Sabiplz]

I'm going to vote you out. Scary and not role claiming. Grrr.

[DrWilgy]

oh and the nutella calling falcon town thing is because people think falcon sucks as wolf so they are just calling him town for it, it's a read i am ignoring because i dont want to treat falcon like a 5 year old

it's a sucky read because i saw him coast as scum in a game when people kept dismissing him as "in his town meta" when apparently he was not

Was she in that game too?

If not why would you think that nutella is maliciously deceiving you rather than being one of the apparently many people who are wont to dismiss falcon as being in his town meta for thin reasons?

I don't even think it's a thin reason lol. I have seen him do well as scum. The way he instantly got involved in a complex player interaction here was just towny

Was there a specific post of Falcon's that you are referring to? I've skimmed the slot and didn't get see a townspew post of theirs.

[DrWilgy]

You may select 1 option


Alison
1
10%
Voters: Sabiplz
Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
0
No votes
Voters: None
Davos
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Guillotine
2
20%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Alison
Lemonfairy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
0
No votes
Voters: None
Master Radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
1
10%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
2
20%
Voters: WindwardAway, Guillotine
RondoDimBuckle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sabiplz
0
No votes
Voters: None
WindwardAway
0
No votes
Voters: None
Unvote
1
10%
Voters: Cape90
Coaches/Spectators/Other
3
30%
Voters: Scotty, S~V~S, JaggedJimmyJay

[DrWilgy]

Having a really hard time getting into the game.

Nutella seems towny.

WWA's focus on Nutella's view of Falc is fine but I disagree.

Nutella's view of Falc I don't see.

Nutella's townread of Sig seems correct.

[Guillotine]

I had these posts quoted and I like the fact I could quote from the N0 in this thread, unfortunately I can't pick more (that's a cool feature, multiquote should exist after the thread is locked)

I'm a grumpy bitch these days

I wanna be in grumpy bitch club!

I'm a grumpy bitch these days

same

The grumpy bitches club made me chuckle.
I didn't expect Wind to be there, but the way of posting confirms it.
This club gives me warm feelings.

I have a great role

Alison not claiming Gambit Demon in the GoC.

I don't know why Sloonei had so little to say about the game at the time. Unfortunately he's in the other half of the game and we can't really interact.

Yah! This is town Michelle! Thank god because the split sort of killed my motivation to play the game, what a terrible idea that was, but im glad i can form a towncore here.


How do you quote from the night 0 thread?, i tried and i only have the ! Symbol button available.

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine because tension being on the cw to a tow read wagon is cool.

I'll continue with these chain ISOs to get my footing after sleep.

[Guillotine]

Actually kinda baffled that dizzy and sabi think alison is wilding. I don't often agree with alisons pushes but Winds posts are pretty unilaterally yikes here and ppl not having that reaction is weird

Hmmm no, i disagree. I think they are both town or both scum.
The both have made comments that ate convulated and overblown to be coming from scum.

Cape90 said that Dyslexicon is TWTBAW and in my opinion, that is a title for both Alison and Wind not Diszy, Dizzy is obvious mafia.

[Guillotine]

why would i waste my energy towncasing myself? it's the start of D1, what the fuck am i supposed to say? "hey guys i'm town" is the dumbest shit ever and I refuse to do that.
if you're town, go make other reads and draw your own conclusions. if you're scum and my reads are wrong i'm not going to do the work for you.

considering that you started off with "there's 4 people in this thread I would happily vote and they need to convince me that they are town"... you seem perfectly happy to accept the idea that players can and should towncase themselves early on lol

and yeah I'm talking about other reads, like #42 is all about sabi... it's not like you're the only person I've been focused on in this thread, whereas as far as I can tell, pretty much 100% of your substantive content in this thread has been about me.

I didn't want them to literally towncase themselves. I want them to show it by just doing their thing and posting. I find people when they show with their actions and words that they're town, not when they give a whole bullshit towncase on themselves. Because frankly, even if I'm town, if I towncase myself it is complete bullshit lol.

The other 2 people in my scumreads haven't posted in this thread yet, and neither has nutella, so yeah I am entirely focused on you right now. I'm not dead set on all of my scumreads being lockscum, but I need a starting point to hunt and I have that. The best way to read a player is to engage directly with them imo.

Other 2 or other 3? You said 4 total, so minus me, that's 3 more

Why is nutella significant?

nutella is one of them
then there are 2 more

and nutella is significant because i think her handling of falcon was weird
when i said that falcon and guillo weren't partnered, i had a more specific thought that guillo was towny, but i initially thought falcon was scummy off his opener. but when there was the whole back-and-forth regarding sabi's opener, falcon and guillo were clashing, so instead of giving individual reads on them i said i'm reading them as unpaired. which to me makes perfect sense because i scumread one and townread the other at the time.
that being said, by the time i came back to the thread, people were correcting me and saying that falcon always opens with "i am town" every time and it's not alignment-indicative, which, ok, fine. but nutella said falcon should be townread off his interaction and that instead of saying he's unpaired with guillo, i should call falcon town. and i don't particularly think falcon is towny so I want to press nutella first to see if it's tmi or if she's defending her partner. either way i don't think it came across as natural.

I explained why falcon is town and I'm just correct take the L

I didagree with your falcon meta read, to the point it is very strange from you to have that meta read on Falcon, hence my vote on you, you are lying.

[Guillotine]

oh and the nutella calling falcon town thing is because people think falcon sucks as wolf so they are just calling him town for it, it's a read i am ignoring because i dont want to treat falcon like a 5 year old

it's a sucky read because i saw him coast as scum in a game when people kept dismissing him as "in his town meta" when apparently he was not

Was she in that game too?

If not why would you think that nutella is maliciously deceiving you rather than being one of the apparently many people who are wont to dismiss falcon as being in his town meta for thin reasons?

I don't even think it's a thin reason lol. I have seen him do well as scum. The way he instantly got involved in a complex player interaction here was just towny

Ive seen them do it as scum, here, in this very forum

[Guillotine]

Also lol guys the host posts do tell us the other one is West nice showing that you aren't reading those

Huh? Where?

[Guillotine]

I never got notified of the tag, but hey, I found the thread.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

full disclosure there are at least 4 names here that I'd strongly consider voting. If you're on that list and you're town, you'd better convince me of it.
and no, i'm not giving the list, it's in the N0 thread. do the work yourself.

This implies the existence of a vote list, instead its just "go read my iso to find out who I find scummy" there is no list. Just thought you should know

she probs has an NK priority list in scum chat with me at the top

might be what she was thinking of

why would i as scum bother killing you? you actually think you're that relevant?

probably cuz I caught your whole team LOL

unless you're claiming mafia and not teamed with any of my other suspects?

That said, these two are either w/w or t/t, never a difference check.

....What

What part didnt you understand? I think it is a very well written English sentence, so it cant be that.

[Guillotine]

Sharing some of Space Daisy's thoughts in here. The jist of it below

Game of Champions XIII [Night 0] #627

Slight town on Guillo and nut for content in their posts
Slight town on WWA and Sabi for nebulous vibes reasons
Wary of Michelle
Null on Caitlin, Abi, Alison
Mikami - Rico

I read that. What's your own thoughts?
That post is so generic that I didn't even put much weight into it as representing real reads.
Unfortunately we are now in separate threads and I don't know if I can read the other thread today to make a read on Daisy.

Oh fuck! No, why you? =(

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[Sabiplz]

Having a really hard time getting into the game.

Nutella seems towny.

WWA's focus on Nutella's view of Falc is fine but I disagree.

Nutella's view of Falc I don't see.

Nutella's townread of Sig seems correct.

Why is your only teeter to the game based off nutella

[Guillotine]

Michelle can read the other thread, meaning either she is in scum chat and she is being fed info from the other division thread there, or scum can do what we cant and read both threads.