Battle of the Bands Mafia [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

and now coming into d3 you are confidently tunneling me because i ....called you mafia for not being towny enough

it's what makes the game make the most sense atp

[DrWilgy]

I always knew Porscha was a 5 year old. My reads are goated.

[nutella]

Oh sweet nutella didn't gain immunity

get rekt

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

alr nutella you can tell the whole class ur lil wolf prize don't be scared. To be real I don't see why t!nutella immediately assumes they HAVE to get into a thunderdome with SPF

have an extra private vote

[nutella]

i am mostly assuming it will be me vs spf yeah given pyxxy's push

[Sheep]

im gonna be honest though, the real argument for you being mafia is just the fact that your vibes are off lol

nutella is a great player but she is caught almost immediately whenever she's mafia. this is because she struggles to project towniness and solving in the same way that she does as town, and her general posts are stilted and uncomfortable

nutella is a popular n1 kill in most town games that she plays bcuz she's such a fierce solver and so good at projecting towniness

and here we are on d3 and she has done nothing but tunnel two villagers to death with shakey reasoning while making no attempt to meaningfully re-assess or shake up her wolrdview, while not towntelling

she's just outed mafia idk what to say lol

Oh Nutella is just like me fr except I'm not a good town player (however this doesn't align with my perception of Nutella but that perception is based off like maybe 2 mashes from a year ago and I think I trust spf to not just be lying)

[Cape90]

looks like long con is dying though so gl gl

Ew.

I don't know if I like this post. This is going out of the way to enable wifom with a voice too sure of a result.

"Is it tmi, idk"
"Is it anti tmi, idk"

Feels like a breadcrumb a wolf would drop for use later.

Come back to this post later if needed.

with the context of SPF's immediate vote on nutella, I am skeptical of this just because it kind of feels... shruggy, like SPF just isn't caring about that

[nutella]

like with LC town spf just has to be wolf fmpov

[pyxxy]

Anyone else impressed we all by and large knew who submitted which song?

yes

because clearly I did not get the memo

[staypositivefriend]

the ways in which robyn was towntelling later in that dayphase

which were what exactly

i don't care to get into a back and forth about why robyn was towny because it would be really easy for you to refute it and say "no they werent towny!" regardless of what i say

i simply think that you would have put more thought and consideration into reading them if u were town, instead of tunneling them blindly based on flimsy phoned in reasoning

[nutella]

im gonna be honest though, the real argument for you being mafia is just the fact that your vibes are off lol

nutella is a great player but she is caught almost immediately whenever she's mafia. this is because she struggles to project towniness and solving in the same way that she does as town, and her general posts are stilted and uncomfortable

nutella is a popular n1 kill in most town games that she plays bcuz she's such a fierce solver and so good at projecting towniness

and here we are on d3 and she has done nothing but tunnel two villagers to death with shakey reasoning while making no attempt to meaningfully re-assess or shake up her wolrdview, while not towntelling

she's just outed mafia idk what to say lol

yeah there is no way you actually believe this lol

my perspectives have been clear throughout the thread

[nutella]

looks like long con is dying though so gl gl

Ew.

I don't know if I like this post. This is going out of the way to enable wifom with a voice too sure of a result.

"Is it tmi, idk"
"Is it anti tmi, idk"

Feels like a breadcrumb a wolf would drop for use later.

Come back to this post later if needed.

with the context of SPF's immediate vote on nutella, I am skeptical of this just because it kind of feels... shruggy, like SPF just isn't caring about that

wait what explain

[DrWilgy]

looks like long con is dying though so gl gl

Ew.

I don't know if I like this post. This is going out of the way to enable wifom with a voice too sure of a result.

"Is it tmi, idk"
"Is it anti tmi, idk"

Feels like a breadcrumb a wolf would drop for use later.

Come back to this post later if needed.

with the context of SPF's immediate vote on nutella, I am skeptical of this just because it kind of feels... shruggy, like SPF just isn't caring about that

Hmm? SPF addressed this already. They apparently have the hookups on who submits what. It makes sense after the fact, but the order of explanation felt weird.

[Sheep]

like with LC town spf just has to be wolf fmpov

I mean that's not very convincing tbh

[staypositivefriend]

im gonna be honest though, the real argument for you being mafia is just the fact that your vibes are off lol

nutella is a great player but she is caught almost immediately whenever she's mafia. this is because she struggles to project towniness and solving in the same way that she does as town, and her general posts are stilted and uncomfortable

nutella is a popular n1 kill in most town games that she plays bcuz she's such a fierce solver and so good at projecting towniness

and here we are on d3 and she has done nothing but tunnel two villagers to death with shakey reasoning while making no attempt to meaningfully re-assess or shake up her wolrdview, while not towntelling

she's just outed mafia idk what to say lol

yeah there is no way you actually believe this lol

my perspectives have been clear throughout the thread

oh they've been clear, but that's part of the problem lol

you thought robyn was mafia because "of an interaction"

you thought long con was mafia because "he pushed robyn" even though you had the same suspicions about robyn at the same time as him

your reads are transparently lacking in depth of thought

[nutella]

the ways in which robyn was towntelling later in that dayphase

which were what exactly

i don't care to get into a back and forth about why robyn was towny because it would be really easy for you to refute it and say "no they werent towny!" regardless of what i say

i simply think that you would have put more thought and consideration into reading them if u were town, instead of tunneling them blindly based on flimsy phoned in reasoning

see this is a prime example of spf just distorting reality to fit her push of me bc like robyn simply never projected town lmao and pretending they did only serves the agenda of pushing me

[Cape90]

im gonna be honest though, the real argument for you being mafia is just the fact that your vibes are off lol

nutella is a great player but she is caught almost immediately whenever she's mafia. this is because she struggles to project towniness and solving in the same way that she does as town, and her general posts are stilted and uncomfortable

nutella is a popular n1 kill in most town games that she plays bcuz she's such a fierce solver and so good at projecting towniness

and here we are on d3 and she has done nothing but tunnel two villagers to death with shakey reasoning while making no attempt to meaningfully re-assess or shake up her wolrdview, while not towntelling

she's just outed mafia idk what to say lol

yeah there is no way you actually believe this lol

my perspectives have been clear throughout the thread

what isn't true about what SPF is saying here? Because I have experience literally killing you night 1

[pyxxy]

spf is doing her best to twist a narrative into existence here, don't fall for it, read my iso and come to your own conclusions

okay

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

[staypositivefriend]

generally i get the impression that nutella's strategy this game has been to piggyback off of the incorrect reads of other players

she piggybacked off of porscha and long con's incorrect push on robyn on d1 and used it to coast and tunnel them

she piggybacked off of the thread's incorrect scumread on long con on d2 as an excuse to tunnel him

now she's trying to piggyback off of pyxyy's read on me as an excuse to tunnel me, which would logically mean that pyxyy is town but im not as sure about that yet

[staypositivefriend]

anyway i promise im not gonna spend the full 48 hours 1 v 1ing with nutella i just really want the rest of the thread to come to her being mafia so that i can focus on other things

[nutella]

like with LC town spf just has to be wolf fmpov

I mean that's not very convincing tbh

well you're her most likely partner so I'm probably not going to convince you but I was seeing a dichotomy of LC/pyxxy world vs pyxxy being right and spf spinning me as an "obvious wolf" fits her wolf meta

[pyxxy]

Please stop murdering my trs.

What motivated you to make this post?

[Cape90]

looks like long con is dying though so gl gl

Ew.

I don't know if I like this post. This is going out of the way to enable wifom with a voice too sure of a result.

"Is it tmi, idk"
"Is it anti tmi, idk"

Feels like a breadcrumb a wolf would drop for use later.

Come back to this post later if needed.

with the context of SPF's immediate vote on nutella, I am skeptical of this just because it kind of feels... shruggy, like SPF just isn't caring about that

wait what explain

IDK, it's like, SPF in that comment there seems resigned to Long Con dying, which contradicts her play throughout this game on tunneling you and trying to leverage a vote onto you which she has been doing for a lot of the game. Like I do not think she expressed that she thought that one of the songs was yours before this moment

[Sheep]

generally i get the impression that nutella's strategy this game has been to piggyback off of the incorrect reads of other players

she piggybacked off of porscha and long con's incorrect push on robyn on d1 and used it to coast and tunnel them

she piggybacked off of the thread's incorrect scumread on long con on d2 as an excuse to tunnel him

now she's trying to piggyback off of pyxyy's read on me as an excuse to tunnel me, which would logically mean that pyxyy is town but im not as sure about that yet

Is Nutella good at reading Robyn because I find them a fairly easy read

[nutella]

im gonna be honest though, the real argument for you being mafia is just the fact that your vibes are off lol

nutella is a great player but she is caught almost immediately whenever she's mafia. this is because she struggles to project towniness and solving in the same way that she does as town, and her general posts are stilted and uncomfortable

nutella is a popular n1 kill in most town games that she plays bcuz she's such a fierce solver and so good at projecting towniness

and here we are on d3 and she has done nothing but tunnel two villagers to death with shakey reasoning while making no attempt to meaningfully re-assess or shake up her wolrdview, while not towntelling

she's just outed mafia idk what to say lol

yeah there is no way you actually believe this lol

my perspectives have been clear throughout the thread

oh they've been clear, but that's part of the problem lol

you thought robyn was mafia because "of an interaction"

you thought long con was mafia because "he pushed robyn" even though you had the same suspicions about robyn at the same time as him

your reads are transparently lacking in depth of thought

i've already responded to this point. maybe you missed it because you had left the thread but the nuance in the difference between my robyn vote and LC's was relevant in my biased pov, need I pull the "hypocrisy is a staple of town play" quote bc none of this is actually scummy it's just messy which real reactive reads can often be

[pyxxy]

now she's trying to piggyback off of pyxyy's read on me as an excuse to tunnel me, which would logically mean that pyxyy is town but im not as sure about that yet

[staypositivefriend]

i was resigned to long con dying because i was not present in the thread for nearly the entire weekend and at the point that i returned it was obvious that i would not be able to get him eliminated within the next 45 minutes

it's just reading the room tbh

[nutella]

im gonna be honest though, the real argument for you being mafia is just the fact that your vibes are off lol

nutella is a great player but she is caught almost immediately whenever she's mafia. this is because she struggles to project towniness and solving in the same way that she does as town, and her general posts are stilted and uncomfortable

nutella is a popular n1 kill in most town games that she plays bcuz she's such a fierce solver and so good at projecting towniness

and here we are on d3 and she has done nothing but tunnel two villagers to death with shakey reasoning while making no attempt to meaningfully re-assess or shake up her wolrdview, while not towntelling

she's just outed mafia idk what to say lol

yeah there is no way you actually believe this lol

my perspectives have been clear throughout the thread

what isn't true about what SPF is saying here? Because I have experience literally killing you night 1

that I'm somehow not in my usual town meta because I am, it's not unusual for me to post snappy and shallow-looking takes because I have a hard time articulating them

[nutella]

spf is doing her best to twist a narrative into existence here, don't fall for it, read my iso and come to your own conclusions

okay

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

wtf

[nutella]

i think pyxxy has the game solved and then he turns on me i don't know what to make of that??

[staypositivefriend]

generally i get the impression that nutella's strategy this game has been to piggyback off of the incorrect reads of other players

she piggybacked off of porscha and long con's incorrect push on robyn on d1 and used it to coast and tunnel them

she piggybacked off of the thread's incorrect scumread on long con on d2 as an excuse to tunnel him

now she's trying to piggyback off of pyxyy's read on me as an excuse to tunnel me, which would logically mean that pyxyy is town but im not as sure about that yet

Is Nutella good at reading Robyn because I find them a fairly easy read

honestly im not sure

i find robyn kinda easy to read so it's possible im projecting my own thoughts about robyn onto nutella a little bit

fmpov robyn was a pretty towny slot that got pushed on for some really bad/questionable reasons, and nutella being one of the core people pushing robyn for flimsy reasons in a threadstate where i would expect them to put more effort into reading them, it just felt like she was a wolf going for an easy miselimination

[pyxxy]

it's a tough twist that's for sure

[nutella]

generally i get the impression that nutella's strategy this game has been to piggyback off of the incorrect reads of other players

she piggybacked off of porscha and long con's incorrect push on robyn on d1 and used it to coast and tunnel them

she piggybacked off of the thread's incorrect scumread on long con on d2 as an excuse to tunnel him

now she's trying to piggyback off of pyxyy's read on me as an excuse to tunnel me, which would logically mean that pyxyy is town but im not as sure about that yet

i was actually the first person in the thread to scumread long con, moreso as a page one semi-joke but when it became serious it was very much an original read

[Cape90]

to be clear im not ~that confident about nutella/LC being unaligned but the way nutella has kinda anchored herself into the game by constantly pushing on LC and calling him wolfy kinda reads to me as a wolf who is trying to get him miseliminated more than partners doing a distancing play

but see like

I don't like you hedging here

your world view is Nutella scum, Long Con town. own it

hedging like this just feels like what you're arguing Nutella is doing, setting up a Long Con mischop, except in your case it's after a Nutella mischop

I do agree that Nutella and Long Con seem weirdly committed to being the two wagons of the day, I would even interpret it in your world view, if I didn't think that you're helping create TvT wagons

I also never said "wolves are sitting back" and that whole bit, I explicitly said that you feel like you're setting up TvT wagons...and look, here are you hedging on TvT wagons

pyxxy, you are voting on nutella despite earlier having this worry, why?

[nutella]

looks like long con is dying though so gl gl

Ew.

I don't know if I like this post. This is going out of the way to enable wifom with a voice too sure of a result.

"Is it tmi, idk"
"Is it anti tmi, idk"

Feels like a breadcrumb a wolf would drop for use later.

Come back to this post later if needed.

with the context of SPF's immediate vote on nutella, I am skeptical of this just because it kind of feels... shruggy, like SPF just isn't caring about that

wait what explain

IDK, it's like, SPF in that comment there seems resigned to Long Con dying, which contradicts her play throughout this game on tunneling you and trying to leverage a vote onto you which she has been doing for a lot of the game. Like I do not think she expressed that she thought that one of the songs was yours before this moment

hmm true it is weird she didn't try to push me more by the deadline, she could have been sitting back to get the extra misyeet in

[DrWilgy]

Please stop murdering my trs.

What motivated you to make this post?

Sad because my friend is dead. Porscha kinda felt like a sounding board this game.

[DrWilgy]

@nutella can I have a full readlist from you? Feel like the day started and you're everywhere.

[staypositivefriend]

im gonna be honest though, the real argument for you being mafia is just the fact that your vibes are off lol

nutella is a great player but she is caught almost immediately whenever she's mafia. this is because she struggles to project towniness and solving in the same way that she does as town, and her general posts are stilted and uncomfortable

nutella is a popular n1 kill in most town games that she plays bcuz she's such a fierce solver and so good at projecting towniness

and here we are on d3 and she has done nothing but tunnel two villagers to death with shakey reasoning while making no attempt to meaningfully re-assess or shake up her wolrdview, while not towntelling

she's just outed mafia idk what to say lol

yeah there is no way you actually believe this lol

my perspectives have been clear throughout the thread

oh they've been clear, but that's part of the problem lol

you thought robyn was mafia because "of an interaction"

you thought long con was mafia because "he pushed robyn" even though you had the same suspicions about robyn at the same time as him

your reads are transparently lacking in depth of thought

i've already responded to this point. maybe you missed it because you had left the thread but the nuance in the difference between my robyn vote and LC's was relevant in my biased pov, need I pull the "hypocrisy is a staple of town play" quote bc none of this is actually scummy it's just messy which real reactive reads can often be

well, let's try unpacking that

this was your vote on robyn:

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine for that interaction with porscha lol

lc wolf if theyre not though maybe

this was long con's vote on robyn, which immediately preceded your vote:

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine she seems the most manipulative.

so, your reasoning to vote robyn was: "that interaction with porscha"

LC'ss reasoning to vote robyn was: "they seem the most manipulative"

can you explain to me how your reasoning was meaningfully different to an extent that you thought long con's push on robyn was predatory?

(but not predatory to an extent that you wanted to stop voting with LC....only predatory to the extent that you wanted to vote LC if robyn flipped town lol)

[pyxxy]

to be clear im not ~that confident about nutella/LC being unaligned but the way nutella has kinda anchored herself into the game by constantly pushing on LC and calling him wolfy kinda reads to me as a wolf who is trying to get him miseliminated more than partners doing a distancing play

but see like

I don't like you hedging here

your world view is Nutella scum, Long Con town. own it

hedging like this just feels like what you're arguing Nutella is doing, setting up a Long Con mischop, except in your case it's after a Nutella mischop

I do agree that Nutella and Long Con seem weirdly committed to being the two wagons of the day, I would even interpret it in your world view, if I didn't think that you're helping create TvT wagons

I also never said "wolves are sitting back" and that whole bit, I explicitly said that you feel like you're setting up TvT wagons...and look, here are you hedging on TvT wagons

pyxxy, you are voting on nutella despite earlier having this worry, why?

I'm voting Nutella because of how Nutella opened today

I'm re-skiming her ISO and confirming that yesterday when I was pushing hard for an SPF wagon, she found it "interesting" but ultimately was happy to keep sussing Long Con + tinfoil LC/me as a team just for fun

there's was a lot of friction from her to solving outside of Long Con and so to come into today trying to piggyback into my SPF read

really this is a long way of saying, SPF was right, game is simple for now, I always had two worlds and thus occam's says that I was just overthinking

but Nutella's flip doesn't really affect my suspicions of SPF, if that makes sense? we'll see how I feel about it later though. I would be down to put up Nutella and SPF, for the chance to get the certificate onto SPF

[nutella]

@nutella can I have a full readlist from you? Feel like the day started and you're everywhere.

ok

town:
wilgy
falcon

town but doubting again as of a few minutes ago:
pyxxy

null but eventual entry looks ok:
tsp

handwavey cape read (as usual i townlean him but with a healthy dose of paranoia):
cape

wolf lean:
lorab
sheep

wolf:
spf

[pyxxy]

Please stop murdering my trs.

What motivated you to make this post?

Sad because my friend is dead. Porscha kinda felt like a sounding board this game.

Oh okay you're sad about the crooked judges.

[staypositivefriend]

i gotta be honesst i dont have a super coherent worldview outside of nutella being a wolf so im gonna focus on forming that today

[nutella]

can you explain to me how your reasoning was meaningfully different to an extent that you thought long con's push on robyn was predatory?

iirc I didn't like robyn's reaction to being pushed and it looked like they had a guilty conscience/they refused to engage with porscha's read in any depth and I thought that deflection was more likely to come from a wolf who knew the push was right and didn't want to get caught in a back and forth. LC seemed to just hop on the vote at a convenient time and his reaction that robyn was being "manipulative" felt made up to me because that wasn't actually a meaningful description of the interaction it was just a buzzword to justify a drive by vote.

Yes I didn't explain all this nuance at the time because my brain just processed both as wolfy and likely a difference check so I voted on the one I felt slightly stronger about at the time

[TonyStarkPrime]

Please stop murdering my trs.

What motivated you to make this post?

Probably the death of trs

[TonyStarkPrime]

c’mon nutella it’s not angleshooting to call me town for not entering the game until night 2

[TonyStarkPrime]

I mean it would be if you used an angleshooty justification but that justification is worse than “tsp likes wolfing”

[pyxxy]

Please stop murdering my trs.

What motivated you to make this post?

Probably the death of trs

Yeah but it's adding negative energy to the thread. It's a downer post. It's slightly wolfy imo.

[staypositivefriend]

can you explain to me how your reasoning was meaningfully different to an extent that you thought long con's push on robyn was predatory?

iirc I didn't like robyn's reaction to being pushed and it looked like they had a guilty conscience/they refused to engage with porscha's read in any depth and I thought that deflection was more likely to come from a wolf who knew the push was right and didn't want to get caught in a back and forth. LC seemed to just hop on the vote at a convenient time and his reaction that robyn was being "manipulative" felt made up to me because that wasn't actually a meaningful description of the interaction it was just a buzzword to justify a drive by vote.

Yes I didn't explain all this nuance at the time because my brain just processed both as wolfy and likely a difference check so I voted on the one I felt slightly stronger about at the time

you say that "robyn refused to engage with porscha's read in any depth", but porscha was the one who refused to explain her read on robyn during the exchange in the first place:

abbie coming into the thread and townreading me and building a towncore is v!abbie i believe. maybe i'm biased that she read me right but i will reevaluate this later

porscha coming into the thread and thinking i was wolfing was slightly towny. i don't know why she suspected me beyond vibes. but suspecting me and instantly being confrontational is what i expect of v!porscha, especially after the previous two games where she saw me wolf up closely. so, porscha, i ask, why do you suspect me?

i am unsure of nutella's alignment and i expected something to sway me one way or another, but something hasn't

I plead the fifth on why

so it's just paranoia of my huge wolfrange, good, a specific reason would be contrived

no I have very specific reasons that I am not speaking aloud

actually it's suboptimal to engage with suspicion against myself at this stage of the game, so i'm gonna have to ignore you irt your read about me

exactly why I didnt bother giving you my reasons, you will come up with any reason to ignore me anyway

porscha specifically went out of her way to avoid talking about her read on robyn....so saying that it's scummy that robyn "didn't engage with porscha's read in any depth" doesn't align with what actually happened in the exchange

plus, robyn actively tried to engage with porscha about stuff unrelated to porscha's unexplained push on her

so like....what do you mean? lol. this reasoning sounds blatantly made up

[staypositivefriend]

LC seemed to just hop on the vote at a convenient time and his reaction that robyn was being "manipulative" felt made up to me because that wasn't actually a meaningful description of the interaction it was just a buzzword to justify a drive by vote.

also, hard to imagine a villager seeing long con's vote on robym, having this thought process, and then immediately posting this:

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine for that interaction with porscha lol

lc wolf if theyre not though maybe

you think that you would not join the wagon on a player who you think is being opportunistically pushed on by one of your wolrfreads, but what do i know tbh

[nutella]

.....did you read the robyn quote in there because lol


the reality distortion is too strong

[staypositivefriend]

can you explain to me how your reasoning was meaningfully different to an extent that you thought long con's push on robyn was predatory?

iirc I didn't like robyn's reaction to being pushed and it looked like they had a guilty conscience/they refused to engage with porscha's read in any depth and I thought that deflection was more likely to come from a wolf who knew the push was right and didn't want to get caught in a back and forth. LC seemed to just hop on the vote at a convenient time and his reaction that robyn was being "manipulative" felt made up to me because that wasn't actually a meaningful description of the interaction it was just a buzzword to justify a drive by vote.

Yes I didn't explain all this nuance at the time because my brain just processed both as wolfy and likely a difference check so I voted on the one I felt slightly stronger about at the time

you say that "robyn refused to engage with porscha's read in any depth", but porscha was the one who refused to explain her read on robyn during the exchange in the first place:

abbie coming into the thread and townreading me and building a towncore is v!abbie i believe. maybe i'm biased that she read me right but i will reevaluate this later

porscha coming into the thread and thinking i was wolfing was slightly towny. i don't know why she suspected me beyond vibes. but suspecting me and instantly being confrontational is what i expect of v!porscha, especially after the previous two games where she saw me wolf up closely. so, porscha, i ask, why do you suspect me?

i am unsure of nutella's alignment and i expected something to sway me one way or another, but something hasn't

I plead the fifth on why

so it's just paranoia of my huge wolfrange, good, a specific reason would be contrived

no I have very specific reasons that I am not speaking aloud

actually it's suboptimal to engage with suspicion against myself at this stage of the game, so i'm gonna have to ignore you irt your read about me

exactly why I didnt bother giving you my reasons, you will come up with any reason to ignore me anyway

porscha specifically went out of her way to avoid talking about her read on robyn....so saying that it's scummy that robyn "didn't engage with porscha's read in any depth" doesn't align with what actually happened in the exchange

plus, robyn actively tried to engage with porscha about stuff unrelated to porscha's unexplained push on her

so like....what do you mean? lol. this reasoning sounds blatantly made up

actually i think this point is probably outing for nutella