BEANS MAFIA - Day 6

[pyxxy]

I skimmed the rest instead of replying in order to catch up

@Jackofhearts2005 you're tring Abi. Am I tinfoiling that Abigail is scum that faked a check, like am I completely off base because if yes I gotta go drive to the office and rethink things in the car

I think so, yes. Like there’s no reason for scum Abby to do that plus I tr Dizzy and Abby independent of the peek.

I guess I was already tinfoiling dizzy D1 and the "I just wanna make D2" comment and then during the fake check people were quick to go "oh sure that explains why Dizzy was so cagey before subbing out"

but idk man. how can there just be no cop here. is that the world's dumbest slip or something? but no mech comes to mind that would say "there's no cop in this setup" unless scum got more info than us

Abby can think there’s no cop in the setup but like whatever. Maybe. Maybe not.

I don’t think a cop that does exist CCs there.

yeah I agreed that no cop CCs there with so much time. but if you know that, then *gestures conspiratorially*

okay I gtg for a bit ty for talking with me.

[pyxxy]

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine so I don't forget and I've got a timer to come back

[pyxxy]

actually [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine it's where my head is at after all

okay bye

[leetic]

@Justplayingitcool, I am rescinding my request for a sub. Now that I'm calmer, I can see I was acting stupid, and I don't want to put you and the game through the trouble of finding a sub. I still don't like Abby's behavior but am willing to work here. I'm sorry for my behavior and promise to do better at this point.

Anyway, back in time for EoD. Let's see

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m gonna get misyeeted while we have like 6 solo votes

[Delta]

gut tells me I should. probably look at SVS with more scrutiny than what I have today x_x

but I dont have the time right now & was half hoping Jack would so I'd have a starting point :wowee:

I cant put this one into words & I dont know if SVS/LC work together which is a worrying thought to be having a whole 30 minutes before EOD

Tomorrow issue perhaps

I said that about Nanook yesterday though ;_;

[leetic]

[VOTE: LC] aubergine I think Jack's last few posts have been towny and while I don't like tying I think this is a better option

[Delta]

I’m gonna get misyeeted while we have like 6 solo votes

mmm i love vanity wagons

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t even understand the case against LC.

[leetic]

I skimmed the rest instead of replying in order to catch up

@Jackofhearts2005 you're tring Abi. Am I tinfoiling that Abigail is scum that faked a check, like am I completely off base because if yes I gotta go drive to the office and rethink things in the car

I think so, yes. Like there’s no reason for scum Abby to do that plus I tr Dizzy and Abby independent of the peek.

I guess I was already tinfoiling dizzy D1 and the "I just wanna make D2" comment and then during the fake check people were quick to go "oh sure that explains why Dizzy was so cagey before subbing out"

but idk man. how can there just be no cop here. is that the world's dumbest slip or something? but no mech comes to mind that would say "there's no cop in this setup" unless scum got more info than us

Abby can think there’s no cop in the setup but like whatever. Maybe. Maybe not.

I don’t think a cop that does exist CCs there.

Ideally they wouldn't, but you can't 100% guarantee that they won't...

But whatever. I should be focused on solving, forgetting this for now

[leetic]

actually [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine it's where my head is at after all

okay bye

If you want to save Jack you have to vote LC

[pyxxy]

hm but i did like thunal’s posts

[leetic]

I like the voters on the LC wagon more than those on the Jack wagon, so there's that

[Delta]

I don’t even understand the case against LC.

reactions following the red check felt rough, unsure about the pyxxy wagon D1 and my own little conspiracy theory about that, especially since pyxxy's d1 felt fine & again feels fine now

I also just feel super lost so going with my gut on this one x_x

[Delta]

actually [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine it's where my head is at after all

okay bye

If you want to save Jack you have to vote LC

let it rand

[leetic]

actually [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine it's where my head is at after all

okay bye

If you want to save Jack you have to vote LC

let it rand

Don't. Someone, switch to LC, unless you have a better idea for a wagon

[Roxy]

I'm hurt, pain killer
Can only do this to a friend bc I know she'll understand and know it means nothing


vote svs

[pyxxy]

I’m hiding from my partner in the furniture store

onmobile so rekid me what did abi say about LC?

[leetic]

I'm hurt, pain killer
Can only do this to a friend bc I know she'll understand and know it means nothing


vote svs

Sorry to hear that, and I don't want to bother you too much, but is there a game-related reason for the vote?

[Delta]

I'm hurt, pain killer
Can only do this to a friend bc I know she'll understand and know it means nothing


vote svs

hope you're doing okay and recover soon, friend \o/

[leetic]

I’m hiding from my partner in the furniture store

onmobile so rekid me what did abi say about LC?

I don't think she mentioned LC, at least not in her initial rescind post. I can see Abby/LC being partners in that tinfoil world, but in that world Thunal and Delta would also have to be reconsidered

[Delta]

I’m hiding from my partner in the furniture store

onmobile so rekid me what did abi say about LC?

I don't think she mentioned LC, at least not in her initial rescind post. I can see Abby/LC being partners in that tinfoil world, but in that world Thunal and Delta would also have to be reconsidered

When Abi rescinded, she only mentioned LC in an add-on post & then voted once I brought it up. That's about it for their interactions

[leetic]

I’m gonna get misyeeted while we have like 6 solo votes

Although I have a question of why you aren't self-presing here

[Delta]

OKAY WITH THAT IN MIND can people go revisit Long Con's reaction to the Leetic check with the knowledge that Abi was fpsing & Leetic prolly town?

I feel like I'm losing it but there's something there

No your right

It's like actually probably just LC/Roxy/Jack or Pyxxy tbh

\o/

[pyxxy]

I’m hiding from my partner in the furniture store

onmobile so rekid me what did abi say about LC?

I don't think she mentioned LC, at least not in her initial rescind post. I can see Abby/LC being partners in that tinfoil world, but in that world Thunal and Delta would also have to be reconsidered

When Abi rescinded, she only mentioned LC in an add-on post & then voted once I brought it up. That's about it for their interactions

ty both (saw u leetic)

my tinfoil is fitting nicely it seems

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m gonna get misyeeted while we have like 6 solo votes

Although I have a question of why you aren't self-presing here

Cause there’s 17 min to go and I don’t think LC is a wolf.

Also, I can self preserve at the buzzer but self preserving against a townie as a townie tends to get the other townie to vote for you, putting us in a worse spot.

[leetic]

I’m hiding from my partner in the furniture store

onmobile so rekid me what did abi say about LC?

I don't think she mentioned LC, at least not in her initial rescind post. I can see Abby/LC being partners in that tinfoil world, but in that world Thunal and Delta would also have to be reconsidered

When Abi rescinded, she only mentioned LC in an add-on post & then voted once I brought it up. That's about it for their interactions

ty both (saw u leetic)

my tinfoil is fitting nicely it seems

So why not vote LC?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m gonna get misyeeted while we have like 6 solo votes

Although I have a question of why you aren't self-presing here

Cause there’s 17 min to go and I don’t think LC is a wolf.

Also, I can self preserve at the buzzer but self preserving against a townie as a townie tends to get the other townie to vote for you, putting us in a worse spot.

That probably works for other alignments too but whatever.

[leetic]

I’m gonna get misyeeted while we have like 6 solo votes

Although I have a question of why you aren't self-presing here

Cause there’s 17 min to go and I don’t think LC is a wolf.

Also, I can self preserve at the buzzer but self preserving against a townie as a townie tends to get the other townie to vote for you, putting us in a worse spot.

That probably works for other alignments too but whatever.

Is @Long Con even here right now? I guess I'd expect wolves to be more likely to show up at EoD but I don't know enough about LC's schedule to make a fair judgement there

[Jackofhearts2005]

Spoiler: show

@DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.

What exactly is being claimed?

A redcheck on me, if you have any night actions that might have influenced this please claim.

Who is claiming the red check on you?

@DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.

What exactly is being claimed?

A redcheck on me, if you have any night actions that might have influenced this please claim.

Who is claiming the red check on you?

Abigail (who subbed in for Dizzy)

No. I didn’t do anything like redirecting Dizzy/Abigail or bus driving you.

That’s a really hard check to believe.

Holy shit 7 votes on Leetic

And what about them? Pointing out I had a lot of votes but nit doing anything about it is something you did in your last scumgame with me, just sayin'

They’re surprising. But less so because there’s a claimed red check on you.

And noted. I’ll keep that in mind when trying to determine my own alignment.

I quoted several posts ^^, so i spoilered it.

I think Jacks reaction looks worse than LCs, he's being very cautious around it, although Jack bolsters LC a bit in his ISO as well. I know I must have seen bad Jack, but i don't recall offhand when.

I have seen tons of LC, though, and he has a certain tone when he's bad, or he used to have. I'm not seeing it at all, but he didn't have it in the Pirate sock game either, so I'm not going to rely on meta here.

At this point imma [VOTE: Jack] aubergine but am not married to it, I'll consider other options, and I hope Roxy returns to clarify her earlier post.

I see nothing here that indicates a townie having a legit incorrect read.

[Thunal33]

I do not want Jack dead today. I don’t have any really confident scumreads and LC is more of a guess.

[Delta]

I'd vote Wilgy here but like

not as enthusiastically :s

[leetic]

I do not want Jack dead today. I don’t have any really confident scumreads and LC is more of a guess.

Who would you vote today in an ideal world?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

[Thunal33]

I think not self pressing in a vacuum is NAI. I think Jack’s reasoning for being hesitant to do it is towny.

[Delta]

no longer have to shrugyeet wilgy

[leetic]

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Is this in any way influenced by Roxy's vote on SVS?

[Thunal33]

I'm hurt, pain killer
Can only do this to a friend bc I know she'll understand and know it means nothing


vote svs

I’m sorry, I hope you feel better.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The pirate game was an anon one, right?

Do you think there would be more of a reason to play differently since you can avoid meta reads that way? Or do you think LC would play as they normally do since it was anonymous anyway?

@S~V~S

Also are there any non-anon wolf games you can remember? I'll go check them out \o/

We haven't played together for 5 or more years. The last few years before i went on break he was hosting more than playing. So it's an old meta tell for me, and he could have moved past it.

Can you tell me why you think LC looks worse than Jack? I don't know that I follow the one in pyxxy/LC/Jack theory, since I can see some possible association between Jack and LC on Jacks part.

Why is SVS locked into a world where Jack and LC are our only options?

(Nobody look at the vote count)

[Thunal33]

I do not want Jack dead today. I don’t have any really confident scumreads and LC is more of a guess.

Who would you vote today in an ideal world?

Honestly having a hard time between LC, Wilgy, and Roxy.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Is this in any way influenced by Roxy's vote on SVS?

Yes in that 2 votes are better than 1. Roxy didn’t like convince me to suspect SVS.

[leetic]

Enough people are willing to vote Wilgy that such a wagon could be viable

[Delta]

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

I'll mull over the LC vote overnight since I'm more than a little worried about that

I'm also worried ab SVS being town because that means I went and locked them town then panicked when it mattered which is

rough but shrug

EOD is stressful ;_;

[leetic]

I do not want Jack dead today. I don’t have any really confident scumreads and LC is more of a guess.

Who would you vote today in an ideal world?

Honestly having a hard time between LC, Wilgy, and Roxy.

Which would you choose GTH?

[Thunal33]

Yes it is, that could have gone very bad and you know it

You fuck off

How about you leave me the fuck alone

You don't get to decide what is and isn't good or bad

No host is killing a player for playing the game and faking a check or they are the worst host in mafia history and should be banned from ever hosting a mafia game on any site across the whole of FM

Leave
Me
Alone

You don't get to dictate how I play mafia shut the fuck up and solve the not obv towns

What am I supposed to say when you leave me flailing for hours in a move that could have killed the game? Well, town is losing a vocal player for that, and it's all your fault

You could say

Wow there's 24 hours left and lots of new and useful info let's solve the game thanks for giving town so much time to work with

You spent 24 hours whining about how town needed to do stuff

Now they have to and they have more info and you're showing no interest in moving the game forward anymore

Honestly it makes me wonder if my fake was actually right and now you can just drown town with negative energy cause I got cold feet and you don't need to pretend to care about solving anymore

You have to realize your actions have emotional consequences. Like really, if you force me for twenty-four hours to fight for my life and then say "oh, it was fake, I was just doing a potentially gamethrowing move" then what am I supposed to do? We're in a better place now but there are ways to do that without potentially throwing the game, so don't blame me if you don't have the skill or creativity to scumhunt without potentially outing all the town's PRs. But whatever, I'm supposed to be subbing out so I have no idea why I'm still responding

The problem is it wasn't game throwing so I'm very sick of you saying "you game threw"

I didn't I played a fake check which is a play in the play playbook it is not anti town

I rescinded it with plenty of time

You are not dead

I applied pressure and you reacted poorly so I held the pressure until I was satisfied that is not anti town

Maybe it is selfish but the only player I know is town is myself when I enter this game so I'm gonna do the selfish play that gets me a fuck ton of info

tbh I don't think you feel bad I think you're worried that leetic subbing out will _look_ bad and will make people look closer at how you did this

I think you're scum that faked a red check and if leetic was even the smallest smidge more friendly with the thread you wouldn't have tried this but given you're subbing in and generally willing to get a little wild I think you let this one rip

I had pretty much the exact same thought as Delta. Sussing Abi for these reasons is something most people only do if the read is real, and I think that includes pyxxy.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I played one game with LC in 2020 and he was caught as scum d2. Is he usually caught by people who know him well?

I had asked earlier; why do you think LCs reaction was worse than Jacks?

And no he isnt generally caught easily. He was prolly rusty that game.

Also, re your Roxy question @Thunal33 , I read Rox for tone and flow, and she, for the most part, had a good look for me that way. I haven't really read into her much.

Two posts stood out to me, but in retrospect I thought they were more of a good look for her than otherwise, although they didn't look that way to me initially. But since they both concerned me, I didn't put much thought into it since i know I dislike it when people make their suspicions about *them*, like how people interact with or talk about them. First, when i agreed with something Sean said about how both Scotty and Roxy said a similar thing regarding not voting for Delta. I agreed becasue I didn't think what they said was quite accurate, either. It turned into a nothing, since Scotty flipped town. But in her response to me, she said something along the lines of "get over it" directly to me, which took me aback a bit. It reminded me of what I did to her in Se7en, actually. Remember when she started getting a bit too astute, so i kinda snapped at her a bit, and she backed off? Like that. But, as I said, Scotty flipped town, so meh.

The other was when she said i was being quiet. That surprised me since I am not a high poster by any means, and only get loud when i think i have something to get loud about. But having a negative opinion of me doesn't make someone bad, especially someone I know well. I would expect her to be a bit more pockety with me, so in retrospect those looked like plusses for her to my eye.

I think she prolly had a rough start due to leetic getting right in her face as soon as she started posting, and then getting a bit bossy with her later. She got snappy back with him in a way I think she might have moderated if she were bad.

So she wasn't on my radar. I hope she was just being sarcastic.

K, I gotta get ready to go. I will try and pop in, I'm cool with my Jack vote.

None of this looks like a townie making a mistake.

It doesn’t look like SVS is considering my alignment much at all.

You can make the same argument for Abby so maybe this is a bad argument but still. Why is this town to ppl?

[Thunal33]

I do not want Jack dead today. I don’t have any really confident scumreads and LC is more of a guess.

Who would you vote today in an ideal world?

Honestly having a hard time between LC, Wilgy, and Roxy.

Which would you choose GTH?

Stay on LC.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Enough people are willing to vote Wilgy that such a wagon could be viable

Idk. I sat there for like 20 min and nobody followed.

[leetic]

I'll have to relook over SVS. I remember their flip on Scotty was weird, but not a lot else that stood out in terms of wolfinesson the slot

[Thunal33]

No, why are we pivoting to SVS? Everything they’ve done has been pretty towny.