BEANS MAFIA - Day 6

[leetic]

Like, if this were Smogon or FFR, LP would get utterly hounded for that post. Just sayin'

[Long Con]

I'm going to [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine. Still feel like the psypsypsythe thing was "busy work", as Thunal(?) put it, and... did that 'research' actually happen? Third-highest poster, but there's a lot of fluff involved, I don't even know what the geese thing is, this is Beans Mafia, not Geese Mafia. Is leetic Canadian, is that what that's about?

My problem here is that you're entirely focused on pyxxy's older posts when their newer ones are much more substantive. Then again you probably haven't read the whole thread but still

I have read the new posts, and I do not find them substantive at all. More fluff and waffles.

So, besides "fluff", what is your case on pyxxy?

The psypsy thing feels phony, and they have avoided clarifying it or producing results from it. Third-highest participant but not much engaging stuff. Asked Jack about me but had no follow-up there.

?

maybe I wasn't clear in that my conclusion here has a partial foundation in my psy comparison

Ok but you really didn't do any comparing at all, did you?

[Long Con]

Like, if this were Smogon or FFR, LP would get utterly hounded for that post. Just sayin'

Are those other Mafia sites?

[Dyslexicon]

I’m not caught up and won’t really be here until the last hour, but I am paranoid about Dizzy because of how much he focused on Delta. I didn’t think about the focus much at first but I think hyper focusing on one person is scummy in some cases. Rn I don’t want to kill him though.

You're just jelly (bean)

[leetic]

Like, if this were Smogon or FFR, LP would get utterly hounded for that post. Just sayin'

Are those other Mafia sites?

Yeah

[Dyslexicon]

Kinda like LP's pop-in.

Why?

[Seanzie]

@Long Con you're voting someone whose wagon I am actively campaigning against (I know it is not much of a wagon, but still).

Fight me.

Nah. I'm not ending up on Epi today. Why do you townread him so strong though?

Just caught up. More thoughts soon.

I don't remember, but I feel like it was a good reason. (this is a joke... it is because he made a post something like this about Delta, and it really resonated with me about how I feel as town sometimes where I'm like "I KNOW I had a good/bad feeling about this thing, and I can't figure out what caused it, but I trust the feeling", and the fact that they said that not once, but then later followed up stating it again with a bit of frustration after having clearly looked for the thing, made me very strongly feel like Epi had a genuine feeling about Delta.)

Tell me more.

That was a disappointing response, is all. I thought you had real reasons for your read.

I do... and I think the reason is quite good. Perhaps my joke obscured the reason though. I found these posts townie:

My take on Delta was real, but I can't find the evidence to back it up.

Still want to find why I suspected Delta. There was something.

If I'm calling out a two-person mafia team right now, it's Dyslexicon for what I already said and Delta for shit I can't find but know is somewhere around here.

I have sometimes felt like this as well, where I remember feeling suspicion for someone, but can't remember exactly what it was, and have a hard time finding it. The way Epi revisits it suggests that this wasn't just a throwaway "I had a read, but I can't find it", and it seems like Epi did genuinely want to find what they saw earlier. I believe Epi genuinely suspected Delta, even if they couldn't find the thing that created the initial sus.

[leetic]

Glad to see Dizzy agrees with me. Their posts since their return have also largely avoided my concerns of tunnelling.

[Long Con]

Yeah. Seanzie, I agree.

[Dyslexicon]

Kinda like LP's pop-in.

Did you even read their last post?

Yes, and I think it is fine.

I have also found parts of your play sus, and I could easily see someone like LP who presumably hasn't read the whole game just having that feeling and mentioning it.

They don't seem to be concerned with making friends here, and them popping in just to call a few people scum and say they don't have time to play makes little sense coming from scum about to die, whom could just stay in anti-spew here.

Mh.

It's a bit flaily though.

[Long Con]

I have to go pick up dinner for me and my kids. Should be back before EOD.

[pyxxy]

I'm going to [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine. Still feel like the psypsypsythe thing was "busy work", as Thunal(?) put it, and... did that 'research' actually happen? Third-highest poster, but there's a lot of fluff involved, I don't even know what the geese thing is, this is Beans Mafia, not Geese Mafia. Is leetic Canadian, is that what that's about?

My problem here is that you're entirely focused on pyxxy's older posts when their newer ones are much more substantive. Then again you probably haven't read the whole thread but still

I have read the new posts, and I do not find them substantive at all. More fluff and waffles.

So, besides "fluff", what is your case on pyxxy?

The psypsy thing feels phony, and they have avoided clarifying it or producing results from it. Third-highest participant but not much engaging stuff. Asked Jack about me but had no follow-up there.

?

maybe I wasn't clear in that my conclusion here has a partial foundation in my psy comparison

Ok but you really didn't do any comparing at all, did you?

you tell me

[Scotty]

Hoo boy still haven’t read

Sorry y’all for my lack of effort. This has started at a bad time for me

I see I’m second wagon and day ends in 45 min.

Why is LP garnering votes?

[leetic]

Hoo boy still haven’t read

Sorry y’all for my lack of effort. This has started at a bad time for me

I see I’m second wagon and day ends in 45 min.

Why is LP garnering votes?

Read their ISO, it's only six posts and you should quickly see why.

[Scotty]

4 people still haven’t voted

Seriously?

At least vote for someone

[Seanzie]

If LP is really telling the truth about being oh so far behind, then.why is he making such a confident and agressive case against the top poster? It's obviously bull, and I'm ashamed that some of you seem to be falling for it

I'd recommend checking your tone on occasion.

I think you're viewing LP's post with far more OMGUS than is warranted. I have often been in situations where I am way behind, and end up a wagon, and pop in essentially to say "sorry", but then feel like some of the people currently pushing me are doing so disingenuously, and so push back at them, essentially as an attempt to at least do something productive with the little time I have left. It actually reminds me a lot of how I was pushing @Jackofhearts2005 and sig at EoD1 of the Scooby Doo game a while ago (I went over, flipped town. I was right about Sig but wrong on Jack), I felt like they way they were pushing for my wagon to stay strong was wolfy, and even though I hadn't read, I aggressively fought back against them. LP is doing something very similar to this, and it is townie IMO.

LOL no. What about my pushing in any way makes LP's response seem genuine? He goes from an entire ISO of making no thoughts and on his return admits to basically giving up, then posts an over-the-top accusation and dips? I've pressured many townies, including at EoD, and many don't like me back. But throwing an out-of-nowhere hard OMGUS case, combined with the call to vig action (THIS PART OF THE POST IS REALLY SCUMMY, don't ignore it) is just something wolves do when they have no other options. It's not a townie trying to save themselves or be heard, it's just a wolf howling.

How about the fact that you seem to take everying LP says in the most uncharitable way possible, rather than trying to put yourself in their shoes.

For example, I got their Thunal TMI thing pretty easily - having TMI sometimes makes it hard to give sus since you know the people you're "sussing" are actually town. I don't think it is valid for Thun in particular, who is a very skilled wolf, but I don't expect LP to know that, so I think it makes sense from LP's perspective. I think if you sat back and thought about it from a town!LP perspective, you probably also would have understood this.

Another example - just now you're describing the situation where LP made a single post as them having an "entire ISO of making no thoughts". They actually did include quite a few thoughts in their first post, and saying the "entire ISO" thing is technically correct, but seems deliberately misleading considering that LP had only one post.

Another example - just now, you took LP's re-enterance as them "giving up" whereas to me it seemed very clear that they were coming in to apologize about not being able to be around due to IRL, and the only "giving up" involved was the fact that they were clearly resigned to doing only a little in a few minutes, and then needing to leave, again presumably due to NAI IRL things.

For the record, I don't think LP is hard!lock!town or anything, but they are a pretty big ? IMO and your arguments about them have not persuaded me.

I, for one, look at the greater context. For instance, look at Thunal's posts from before LP's opener, and tell me where a townie would get "TMI" from. I don't care that it could be a valid thought under a specific set of circumstances, I only care about the game we're actually playing and the TMI accusation came out of nowhere. "Entire ISO" includes the posts before the OMGUS, and I've gone over the opener enough but none of the "thoughts" were super elaborate or committal. Also, when LP makes a post about "throwing" and then makes a post typical of wolves on their last legs, you can't just ignore the connection here. It's obvious that LP's whole progression isn't townie in the least.

I don't think anything I say will get through to you, so I'm going to stop talking to you about LP.

[Scotty]

Hoo boy still haven’t read

Sorry y’all for my lack of effort. This has started at a bad time for me

I see I’m second wagon and day ends in 45 min.

Why is LP garnering votes?

Read their ISO, it's only six posts and you should quickly see why.

k

[leetic]

Hoo boy still haven’t read

Sorry y’all for my lack of effort. This has started at a bad time for me

I see I’m second wagon and day ends in 45 min.

Why is LP garnering votes?

Although this entrance is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know it's 45 minutes to EoD but not enough to actually show up more

[leetic]

4 people still haven’t voted

Seriously?

At least vote for someone

Just saying, this feels like a useless comment at EoD when you haven't done much else.

[leetic]

Hoo boy still haven’t read

Sorry y’all for my lack of effort. This has started at a bad time for me

I see I’m second wagon and day ends in 45 min.

Why is LP garnering votes?

Although this entrance is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know it's 45 minutes to EoD but not enough to actually show up more

Though if you're actually in a UK timezone I'd understand

[pyxxy]

Hoo boy still haven’t read

Sorry y’all for my lack of effort. This has started at a bad time for me

I see I’m second wagon and day ends in 45 min.

Why is LP garnering votes?

Although this entrance is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know it's 45 minutes to EoD but not enough to actually show up more

This post is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know Scotty posted but not enough to actually escape the orbit of Planet WIFOM

[Scotty]

I mean…LP’s the low poster here and I don’t feel like there’s anything specifically scummy about it.

I don’t see why. I haven’t read the last 10 pages but am sure there are better options. This seems lazy

[Seanzie]

Kinda like LP's pop-in.

Why?

I explained already in quite a bit of detail. If you've read my follow up posts and still have questions/concerns, let me know and I'd be happy to elaborate further or consider what you say to the contrary.

[pyxxy]

leetic plays exactly like Psy

[leetic]

I mean…LP’s the low poster here and I don’t feel like there’s anything specifically scummy about it.

I don’t see why. I haven’t read the last 10 pages but am sure there are better options. This seems lazy

What better options, may I ask?

[Dyslexicon]

@Seanzie I get your arguments and such. But what about the fact that wolves have to say something and push something? Cause the Thunal has TMI think, while possible to think as town, really isn't very good. And the call to action for the Vig and suddenly being sure that Leetic is wolf when you haven't really read the game is like a special kind of omgus at best. It's pretty flail. Like objectively, it's not good. I don't know how much I'd lean into "why would wolf be wolfy or lacking" because something they are. Maybe that's not really what you're saying, but it is a little bit what you're saying in my ears.

I don't know, do you have a strong inkling here?

[Scotty]

Hoo boy still haven’t read

Sorry y’all for my lack of effort. This has started at a bad time for me

I see I’m second wagon and day ends in 45 min.

Why is LP garnering votes?

Although this entrance is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know it's 45 minutes to EoD but not enough to actually show up more

The easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.

Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days

[leetic]

I'm usually the first one to say we shouldn't vote for an inactive player on D1 but I see no reason not to go after LP here

[Dyslexicon]

I mean…LP’s the low poster here and I don’t feel like there’s anything specifically scummy about it.

I don’t see why. I haven’t read the last 10 pages but am sure there are better options. This seems lazy

Oh no. Now you'll die.

[Seanzie]

Kinda like LP's pop-in.

Did you even read their last post?

Yes, and I think it is fine.

I have also found parts of your play sus, and I could easily see someone like LP who presumably hasn't read the whole game just having that feeling and mentioning it.

They don't seem to be concerned with making friends here, and them popping in just to call a few people scum and say they don't have time to play makes little sense coming from scum about to die, whom could just stay in anti-spew here.

Mh.

It's a bit flaily though.

it is, but it's also how I have reacted in the past as town when I haven't had time to play and I am the lead wagon close to EoD. LP could be mafia still, but I don't think it is anywhere near a slam dunk. They're a coinflip IMO.

[Delta]

The call to PR is probably the scummiest part if the post, look at this post https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/c ... st-8391982 from a D1 lynch scum at a similar point in the game for a point of comparison. I've seen this shit before.

Noted, have read through it & yeah I can see the resemblance

Also uh. Why could you vote for an explosion in that game? ?_?

Though nonetheless, could you give me a snapread on Scotty here? I'll move if it comes to it but still not 100%, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on the CW to LP

Just bumping this \o/ @leetic

The LP wagon vs Scotty wagon is people I'm uncertain about vs 2 of my townreads so this is. Oddly comfortable? Helps me read those I'm shaky on so \o/

I am sorta uneasy voting LP myself when I feel I gain so little from their ISO aside from their alignment but I wont fight them going over either since I can see the comparison between here & the game leetic linked & it at least helps me w a few people depending on LP's flip so that's at least helpful \o/

[Scotty]

I mean…LP’s the low poster here and I don’t feel like there’s anything specifically scummy about it.

I don’t see why. I haven’t read the last 10 pages but am sure there are better options. This seems lazy

What better options, may I ask?

Dude or dudette, I don’t know. But without reading anything else, you’re telling me the lowest poster is the best option for D1?

I can name about 14 other better options

[Scotty]

The call to PR is probably the scummiest part if the post, look at this post https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/c ... st-8391982 from a D1 lynch scum at a similar point in the game for a point of comparison. I've seen this shit before.

Noted, have read through it & yeah I can see the resemblance

Also uh. Why could you vote for an explosion in that game? ?_?

Though nonetheless, could you give me a snapread on Scotty here? I'll move if it comes to it but still not 100%, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on the CW to LP

Just bumping this \o/ @leetic

The LP wagon vs Scotty wagon is people I'm uncertain about vs 2 of my townreads so this is. Oddly comfortable? Helps me read those I'm shaky on so \o/

I am sorta uneasy voting LP myself when I feel I gain so little from their ISO aside from their alignment but I wont fight them going over either since I can see the comparison between here & the game leetic linked & it at least helps me w a few people depending on LP's flip so that's at least helpful \o/

God I want to vote you

[leetic]

Hoo boy still haven’t read

Sorry y’all for my lack of effort. This has started at a bad time for me

I see I’m second wagon and day ends in 45 min.

Why is LP garnering votes?

Although this entrance is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know it's 45 minutes to EoD but not enough to actually show up more

The easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.

Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days

Why are you voting Seanzie? You said it was "strong stances", is there something I'm missing?

And if you're town, why aren't you trying to save yourself?

[Delta]

The call to PR is probably the scummiest part if the post, look at this post https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/c ... st-8391982 from a D1 lynch scum at a similar point in the game for a point of comparison. I've seen this shit before.

Noted, have read through it & yeah I can see the resemblance

Also uh. Why could you vote for an explosion in that game? ?_?

Though nonetheless, could you give me a snapread on Scotty here? I'll move if it comes to it but still not 100%, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on the CW to LP

Just bumping this \o/ @leetic

The LP wagon vs Scotty wagon is people I'm uncertain about vs 2 of my townreads so this is. Oddly comfortable? Helps me read those I'm shaky on so \o/

I am sorta uneasy voting LP myself when I feel I gain so little from their ISO aside from their alignment but I wont fight them going over either since I can see the comparison between here & the game leetic linked & it at least helps me w a few people depending on LP's flip so that's at least helpful \o/

God I want to vote you

Go on then

[leetic]

Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days

Like this is almost enough to make me wanna vote Scotty. Why wouldn't town want to save themselves?

[Scotty]

I mean…LP’s the low poster here and I don’t feel like there’s anything specifically scummy about it.

I don’t see why. I haven’t read the last 10 pages but am sure there are better options. This seems lazy

Oh no. Now you'll die.

[Dyslexicon]

it is, but it's also how I have reacted in the past as town when I haven't had time to play and I am the lead wagon close to EoD. LP could be mafia still, but I don't think it is anywhere near a slam dunk. They're a coinflip IMO.

Yeah, ok. That I can agree to. I think I'd take that coin flip over most other coinflips right now.

Also, I won't be able to tickle Delta to death anyway. This. Day.

[Delta]

I've been through my reads already, I'm shaky on my read on Dizzy/Jack as is & wasn't 100% on Thunal

The wagon formation is good info for me even if I dont think the person dying gives me all too much

[Scotty]

Hoo boy still haven’t read

Sorry y’all for my lack of effort. This has started at a bad time for me

I see I’m second wagon and day ends in 45 min.

Why is LP garnering votes?

Although this entrance is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know it's 45 minutes to EoD but not enough to actually show up more

The easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.

Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days

Why are you voting Seanzie? You said it was "strong stances", is there something I'm missing?

And if you're town, why aren't you trying to save yourself?

I think town learns more from my flip than LP.

I think LP is a terrible d1 pick.

Change my mind

[Dyslexicon]

@scotty be bad with me

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

@scotty be bad with me

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

@Scotty

[leetic]

Hoo boy still haven’t read

Sorry y’all for my lack of effort. This has started at a bad time for me

I see I’m second wagon and day ends in 45 min.

Why is LP garnering votes?

Although this entrance is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know it's 45 minutes to EoD but not enough to actually show up more

The easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.

Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days

Why are you voting Seanzie? You said it was "strong stances", is there something I'm missing?

And if you're town, why aren't you trying to save yourself?

I think town learns more from my flip than LP.

I think LP is a terrible d1 pick.

Change my mind

I don't want to flip for "information", I want to be right. Why would you be okay with something you know is a mislynch?

[Dyslexicon]

I think town learns more from my flip than LP.

I think LP is a terrible d1 pick.

Change my mind

Counterpoint: They might be mafia.

So like what makes you sure they are not mafia?

[Scotty]

Hoo boy still haven’t read

Sorry y’all for my lack of effort. This has started at a bad time for me

I see I’m second wagon and day ends in 45 min.

Why is LP garnering votes?

Although this entrance is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know it's 45 minutes to EoD but not enough to actually show up more

The easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.

Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days

Why are you voting Seanzie? You said it was "strong stances", is there something I'm missing?

And if you're town, why aren't you trying to save yourself?

Oh, and why Seanzie? He was someone on page 2 or whatever that was making stances that I associate with someone just slinging shit at the wall.

Granted, I’m sure there is more content in the past 24 hours; but alas, I be slanking

[Dyslexicon]

I think town learns more from my flip than LP.

I think LP is a terrible d1 pick.

Change my mind

Also what the fuck would we learn lol

Scottyyyyyyy

[Delta]

@scotty be bad with me

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

In doing so you're putting Scotty as joint lead wagon ?_?

How do you read Scotty right now? Because you ping him to join you in voting me but in doing so you're taking LP away from lead vote & putting him at risk

[leetic]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

You're not even trying to self-pres, and there is no reason for town to act like this. Sorry LP, you live another day.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Well, I finished VLR today and I haven't given this game enough time and the kids are all in bed so I supposed I should read and solve over here.

oh nice, I was about to attempt to tag-summon you with a meh question, but you're naturally here

but while I have you

what's your experience with Long Con?

We used to date but are still good friends.

This stuff. Jack slanked the answer and pyxxy didn't respond to it in any way, like they didn't really care what the response was, but rather was just trying to generate thread content.

[Scotty]

Hoo boy still haven’t read

Sorry y’all for my lack of effort. This has started at a bad time for me

I see I’m second wagon and day ends in 45 min.

Why is LP garnering votes?

Although this entrance is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know it's 45 minutes to EoD but not enough to actually show up more

The easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.

Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days

Why are you voting Seanzie? You said it was "strong stances", is there something I'm missing?

And if you're town, why aren't you trying to save yourself?

I think town learns more from my flip than LP.

I think LP is a terrible d1 pick.

Change my mind

I don't want to flip for "information", I want to be right. Why would you be okay with something you know is a mislynch?

I can’t possibly make a convincing argument to you, considering I KNOW I am town. I have more information in the matter.

If it were 4 votes for Lp and 3 votes for, say, you, I might have a better response.

You think LP is more ‘right’ than me? It’s a coin flip at best.

Come on. Be leet