from D1falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:26 amS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:49 am Well that was a fun catch up read.
We have 4 votes in non consensus places (including Falcons). That leaves 8 of us left to vote(and Rico has been AFK) .
For me, the three people that have votes already are off the table. Dizzy and Thunal are off the table for me since I’m townreading them both in addition to agreeing with LC.
I also town read Scotty and Syn.
That leaves my personal voting pool at Epi, Falcon, Marmot, Nutella and Rico.
I think Falcons belief that making more emotionally accurate posts by using qualifying words (for a tone reader like me) is wolfy is a bit old fashioned, but I don’t shade him for suspecting me for it. I’d rather not vote for him and I’d rather not vote for Rico since the only rationale for that would be low poster.
I think Nutella’s reaction was more frustrated than Wolfy. I also think Marmots bad and don’t see them and Nutella bad together.
That leaves, for me, Marmot and Epi. I’d prefer Marmot, but I really don’t want to spread votes too much do will consider others. I will have to vote half hour or so before EOD as I’ll be driving home when the poll ends.
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Is your SR of Epi more just a process of who's more towny, or is there something specifically wolfy you're seeing?
He has an activity litmus, and I'm not seeing him as wolf here.
Talk to me about Marmot, & Syn plz
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I do agree with this- this sure feels like a slank falcon. He’s maybe a tad more engaged than he was in Warbreaker where he was bad, but I found that pretty weird to describe this game as not-slankySyn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:45 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:10 pm
I am town dude, I don't have the energy level of Maf falconfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:23 pmSyn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:21 pmis there a noticeable activity difference between alignments for you? does not seem like a tell that would work on youfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:10 pm
I am town dude, I don't have the energy level of Maf falcon
Like, it's not always? But it's way more common for me to really slank as Maffalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Solve is prolly in Rico, Thunal & I
Or is that too obvious?are these the hallmarks of a happier, more spirited falcon? would we describe falcon as an active player that gets into the thick of it, or someone who has only placed two vanity votes thus far this game? in 3 days, he's posted less than N1-kill dizzy. he seems to fit his self-described wolf meta
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stop that lolScotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:51 amSo I’m just the wolf, eh?Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:36 amthe wolf wants to "find me" too tbh
obviously the prospect of surviving and chopping the wolf today is a nice one, and it'd be cool if that happened, but I don't have nearly enough confidence in who the last wolf is to balance that against the impact my slot has on town's chances of finding that last wolf, if that makes sense. I genuinely do not see me reversing the impact of my EOD and my interactions with Epi, and the wolf understands the value of a hotly contested villager slot in the lead-up to endgame. If I don't go over today, then tomorrow will have hours spent on the exact sentiment you expressed, "it is probably just syn," and then that mischop leads straight to F3, or, god forbid, someone again goes "I'm gonna vote elsewhere" and then it's my slot in a F3. what are the chances of that going well for town? I am not associated with a minds-winning WIM in the final stretch. it's simply not my strength. my best value is in limiting what the wolf can do with the options available at the moment
But you’re not sure I’m the last wolf
I just…I’m trying my man. Obviously you’re putting up a wall with me and so all I can do is shrug. It’s frustrating. Im not trying to convince you I’m not bad, I’m trying to convince myself that you’re not bad, and this little charade isn’t helping.
I’ll let others talk to you and try to form a better picture looking through that window then
re: your color coding, that's not what the red part means. it means that the wolf has a vested interest in keeping me around, so someone town "finding me" is likely more of a help to them than it is to town. if you're the wolf, then yeah, that's what you're doing. if you're not the wolf, then you might be inadvertently helping them
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….how would a wolf trying to find and clear a town help their gameSyn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:54 amstop that lolScotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:51 amSo I’m just the wolf, eh?Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:36 amthe wolf wants to "find me" too tbh
obviously the prospect of surviving and chopping the wolf today is a nice one, and it'd be cool if that happened, but I don't have nearly enough confidence in who the last wolf is to balance that against the impact my slot has on town's chances of finding that last wolf, if that makes sense. I genuinely do not see me reversing the impact of my EOD and my interactions with Epi, and the wolf understands the value of a hotly contested villager slot in the lead-up to endgame. If I don't go over today, then tomorrow will have hours spent on the exact sentiment you expressed, "it is probably just syn," and then that mischop leads straight to F3, or, god forbid, someone again goes "I'm gonna vote elsewhere" and then it's my slot in a F3. what are the chances of that going well for town? I am not associated with a minds-winning WIM in the final stretch. it's simply not my strength. my best value is in limiting what the wolf can do with the options available at the moment
But you’re not sure I’m the last wolf
I just…I’m trying my man. Obviously you’re putting up a wall with me and so all I can do is shrug. It’s frustrating. Im not trying to convince you I’m not bad, I’m trying to convince myself that you’re not bad, and this little charade isn’t helping.
I’ll let others talk to you and try to form a better picture looking through that window then
re: your color coding, that's not what the red part means. it means that the wolf has a vested interest in keeping me around, so someone town "finding me" is likely more of a help to them than it is to town. if you're the wolf, then yeah, that's what you're doing. if you're not the wolf, then you might be inadvertently helping them
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because it's mountainous, so it's not a real clear, and there's several other warm bodies that continue to harbor suspicion
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again, the purpose would be to drag my slot along to continue being mischop bait up until the very end
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nutella does look good. where i tinfoil her is that EOD really could have been designed in a lab to be a perfect townie turnabout, in a way that feels less emotionally real than SVS's approachScotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:13 am Epi iso perusing notes:
-nutella looks really good. Epi calls her mafia D1, and follows through with it on D2 by saying ‘nutella is my top pick to go today’ and then spends time on an actual case on her. You wanna talk about too on the nose, I doubt Epi spends his entire suspicion capacity pushing nutella.
but this is tinfoil. it's "wow that was really good" suspicion. all the hallmarks of a successful flash wagon with a voting method that's anti flash wagon. it's Progression™ and Townie Thought Process™ dialed to 11
one minor nitpick on my end is that epi didn't really make a actual case on her. I mean. he lobbed a few one-liners at a couple quotes of hers. and that was it. "underwhelming tbh" was a very real reaction in the moment, especially since he hyped it up beforehand lol
you are indirectly on to something though with the point about epi's capacity: what was epi's goal with his play? was he just inactive and doing his best under the circumstances, or was there a specific intended result in mind?
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and with that in mind, and another read of his ISO, I come to the conclusion that...
there doesn't really seem to be a discernible agenda unless the intent was to WIFOM scotty
most of his posting revolved around nutella and scotty, and then banter
multiple, MULTIPLE instances of epi insisting that scotty isn't mafia though
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That (combined with believing Thunal was town) was part of why I took the leap of faith and voted for him. The fact that his entire catchup seemed to be about Scotty bothered me, although what that means for/about Scotty I don't know anymore. It was SO overt, in my Scotty=town mindset, I was viewing it as a set up. I know Epi can be blunt, but Epi can also be subtle, and uses his bluntness as a mask at times.Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:27 pmand with that in mind, and another read of his ISO, I come to the conclusion that...
there doesn't really seem to be a discernible agenda unless the intent was to WIFOM scotty
most of his posting revolved around nutella and scotty, and then banter
multiple, MULTIPLE instances of epi insisting that scotty isn't mafia though
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But as I said, my Scotty reader is totes fucked up, so I'm going to stop arguing either way.
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Clarification: Imma stop arguing either way re Scotty w v t.
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Yeah I can’t defend how Epi talked about me. It was pretty over the top at times with how much he wanted thread to know I was town. Obviously I know it’s a TMI read but can see how suspicious that looks in the most WIFOM-y way.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:25 pmThat (combined with believing Thunal was town) was part of why I took the leap of faith and voted for him. The fact that his entire catchup seemed to be about Scotty bothered me, although what that means for/about Scotty I don't know anymore. It was SO overt, in my Scotty=town mindset, I was viewing it as a set up. I know Epi can be blunt, but Epi can also be subtle, and uses his bluntness as a mask at times.Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:27 pmand with that in mind, and another read of his ISO, I come to the conclusion that...
there doesn't really seem to be a discernible agenda unless the intent was to WIFOM scotty
most of his posting revolved around nutella and scotty, and then banter
multiple, MULTIPLE instances of epi insisting that scotty isn't mafia though
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But as I said, my Scotty reader is totes fucked up, so I'm going to stop arguing either way.
In my reread, what really stands out (since I know I’m town) was that one quote where he included ‘Scotty and falcon’ as town, since he hadn’t really talked about falcon prior to that. Why did he include falcon in there?
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looked at the page from that post and there's no mention of falcon anywhere, in either epi's posts or anyone else'sScotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:44 pmYeah I can’t defend how Epi talked about me. It was pretty over the top at times with how much he wanted thread to know I was town. Obviously I know it’s a TMI read but can see how suspicious that looks in the most WIFOM-y way.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:25 pmThat (combined with believing Thunal was town) was part of why I took the leap of faith and voted for him. The fact that his entire catchup seemed to be about Scotty bothered me, although what that means for/about Scotty I don't know anymore. It was SO overt, in my Scotty=town mindset, I was viewing it as a set up. I know Epi can be blunt, but Epi can also be subtle, and uses his bluntness as a mask at times.Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:27 pmand with that in mind, and another read of his ISO, I come to the conclusion that...
there doesn't really seem to be a discernible agenda unless the intent was to WIFOM scotty
most of his posting revolved around nutella and scotty, and then banter
multiple, MULTIPLE instances of epi insisting that scotty isn't mafia though
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But as I said, my Scotty reader is totes fucked up, so I'm going to stop arguing either way.
In my reread, what really stands out (since I know I’m town) was that one quote where he included ‘Scotty and falcon’ as town, since he hadn’t really talked about falcon prior to that. Why did he include falcon in there?
just that random inclusion
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Gotta admit I wrote off falcon because what wolf team comes in with the same ‘I didn’t read the rules’ strategy…but in a vacuum, looking at falcon’s iso has a lot of team equity, especially in D1.
I rechecked the Warbreaker game where he was yeeted as mafia D1 and despite what he says, he has many similarities here. Those were a bit more one-liner off handed fluffy. His D1 here was maybe a tiny bit wordier? Not enough of a difference to see him making the post about maf falcon being less active
I rechecked the Warbreaker game where he was yeeted as mafia D1 and despite what he says, he has many similarities here. Those were a bit more one-liner off handed fluffy. His D1 here was maybe a tiny bit wordier? Not enough of a difference to see him making the post about maf falcon being less active
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I reread ISOs for Epis reads and I can get with that.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:44 pmYeah I can’t defend how Epi talked about me. It was pretty over the top at times with how much he wanted thread to know I was town. Obviously I know it’s a TMI read but can see how suspicious that looks in the most WIFOM-y way.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:25 pmThat (combined with believing Thunal was town) was part of why I took the leap of faith and voted for him. The fact that his entire catchup seemed to be about Scotty bothered me, although what that means for/about Scotty I don't know anymore. It was SO overt, in my Scotty=town mindset, I was viewing it as a set up. I know Epi can be blunt, but Epi can also be subtle, and uses his bluntness as a mask at times.Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:27 pmand with that in mind, and another read of his ISO, I come to the conclusion that...
there doesn't really seem to be a discernible agenda unless the intent was to WIFOM scotty
most of his posting revolved around nutella and scotty, and then banter
multiple, MULTIPLE instances of epi insisting that scotty isn't mafia though
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But as I said, my Scotty reader is totes fucked up, so I'm going to stop arguing either way.
In my reread, what really stands out (since I know I’m town) was that one quote where he included ‘Scotty and falcon’ as town, since he hadn’t really talked about falcon prior to that. Why did he include falcon in there?
Just because the way Falcon came in with the insta vote felt more organic than Epis(and tbh felt like a very Falcony thing in general) doesn’t mean it’s AI. Then when I poked him for that “I don’t wish wolves well” post and he poked back at me fairly hard. As soon as I dropped it, he dropped having me in his POE.
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4 posts left for tha win less gooo
i'm viewing the interactions under a fair assumpation that Epignosis would do the following (or prefer to do so, at least under a two-wolf setup)
1. not buss the teammate, if possible
2. not suss the teammate in excess or to a point of bringing the teammate in real danger
3. defend the teammate if needed, however subtle
4. variate tone, but within range of achieving points 1 to 3
Epignosis - Syn synergy (syn-ergy get it he he)
#147 banter talk (thanks Syn for approving of his thunal vote)
#446 pitches in to Syn talk with Marmot about teammate (D1) behaviour - honestly, not a point I fully grasp or can read into
#769 banter / slight berate on Syn's manner to question, instead of debating his nutella case
#774 follows up why asking Syn to hol on till he develops a full nutella case
#777 sighs when Syn dismisses his nutella case
#965 deflects when Syn states they'd be be fine with a wagon on him
#979 replies upon Syn's change of vibe on Epig wagon
#1006 rates / reads Epig "purple"
fairly underwhelming / below average level (or amount) of interactions on Epig's behalf. it would fit more of a "ignore teammate" angle, which they also semeed to ironically exchange thoughts on. #769 felts like a poke, it could be compatible with feigning some difference of wavelength. #1006 is stinky - can't really fathom why the need to make a joke read on Syn of all
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#133 points out to Epig in thread that votes are locked, then jokes further
#216 vibe checks Epig yellow (below null?)
#350 pokes Epig (and falcon) on having made "vanity votes" in sync with the ongoing topics at that time
#603 notices that Epig has avoided him "all day (1)", but also defends not having followed up
#768 asks (simply) Epig why nutella is his pick
#780-784 has a chain of reactions, from "grief" to "acceptance", when Marmot votes Epignosis
#1078 jacknicholson.gif reaction to nutella stating an epig/syn wolfery
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wow, bit surprised interactions on this side are also thin. a lot of these looks (especially the wail on Epig being voted and the rather ill-timed banter towards nutella late EoD) fairly bad for a WolfSyn, but could also within reason amount to egg-on-face for a TownSyn. make me wanna rise to my feet and yell "your honor, this is proof of guilt!", yet also ponder for an extra sec "this is suboptimal wolfmate work, could it be that suboptimal coming from Syn"
the wolf-wolf main profile would be one in which Syn just about casts suss on Epig but not really, and Epig occasionally poked and bantered to create slight distance, but nowhere near a real growl. very in your face would be the banter, the "purple" vote and Syn's reactions to players who pushed Epig into serious wagon.
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#450 banter / berate(?) for falcon to change his debut post shtick
#463 banter react
#987 reads falcon "not mafia"
#1006 reiterates civread on falcon
falcon - Epignosis
#419 sympathetic or banter post to epig locking himself with the D1 vote
#460 somewhat rebuttal to an Epig react (of his debut post shtick), but could also constitute banter
#466 appears to conflate Epig's banter react into a statement that he is not in danger to except the post cap
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bleargh. this is peak ignore-lane from pretty much both sides. Epig went so far as to give a read on falcon, would be compatible with avoiding to cast any suss, don't recall any actual heat on falcon at that stage, also think this is a casual read from Epig - could serve purpose, could just be thrown out there, whilst focusing on wolfreading others. Two of falcon's three direct interactions are notable serios tone - not sure I get any real need from falcon (slank mode or not) to defend in such way.
vote-wise, WolfFalcon could have done his part to go off side (off-wagons vote), early on, and not need to take a stance on bussing Epignosis.
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#141 banter deflect (implying wolfmateship with Thunal) to Scotty criticising / casting doubt on his vote-derp and immediate oops-reaction
#443 deflect to Scotty questioning Epig's reaction to his vote-derp
#470 flat out refuses upon Scotty's inquiry to expand nutella read (possible lateness of hour for Epig to take into account)
#752 reads Scotty "not mafia"
#754 open talk with Scotty on reading me wolf (or getting any info on my partner, if wolf)
#967 short rebuttal to a full SVS case on Scotty, reiterating "not mafia"
#975 deflect to Thunal putting in question an Epig/Scot team
#987 reiterates "not mafia" read on Scotty
#1001 yet another nope to reading Scotty mafia (in regards to nutella's push)
this is plentiful and interesting to ponder. first half is quite antagonistic in tone, but without any visible bite marks, no questioning of Scotty's reads and intents. then things seem to calm and even steer into town-reading him repeatedly. compatible in theory with wolfmate not creating further shade on a hounded teammate. but also compatible with choosing Scotty as one of his townreads, a prey with which not to play.
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#139 blasts full doubt on Epignosis's string of vote-derp and oops-reaction
#142 joke gif banter to Epig's claim that he is partnered with Thunal
#203 keeps questioning if Epignosis vote-derp is reasonable wolf move
#407 willing to give Epig a pass, but states possible of wolf move
#452 would join Epig on a nutella vote
#469 asks Epig to expand on nutella read
#751 still keeps in mind early take on Epignosis
#770 still questions Epig's nutella angle
#771 but then banters to Epig poking for a debate
#791 takes in Syn's choices for Epig & Thunal wagons, and votes thunal
somewhat a similar dinamic. even more antagonistic early on - in fact, the closest to a hounding I can interpret in questioning Epig's derp and posts afterwards. then settles for a "pass". then begins to sync with Epig (potential nutella wagon). still does most of the steps one would expect, in regards to questioning Epig's reads. this part is not something that can be fully set into townScot or wolfScot - it's within expectations, but it's also an easy chore, if something needed to be faked in-thread. rather null on this.
but then, one step further than Epig's established dynamic: #791 full stinky - fully interpretable as choosing the non-wolfmate route (complete with sheeping Syn, whilst at it)
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do I feel I can clear any of these players out of a POE? not really
i'm still ok with solving either of them.
if it's worth considering a traditional narrative (wolfmates bro'ing each other), then all points to Scotty
if it's a fractured or atypical narrative, then, even admitting an imperfect analysis, it's worth considering there was much banter, much ignore and whatnot with either Syn or Falcon
worst vote / possible save attempt award goes to Syn
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The quote vote state is still early, Syn voted Thunal, SVS voted Epig, I voted last, Epig never did. So I dealt with a 3-3 tie.
Hence, the only world you can paint with your angle is that I deliberately chose to not save my teammate (as in not even offer his a change to win the tiebreak toss). Furthermore, I had arrived in thread at 2-2 or 3-2 lead for Thunal, so wolf me would have had direct shot at killing Thunal. So in essence, I hard bussed only to bank on winning solo three more Day phases. Can you explain further this world's plausibility?
i'm viewing the interactions under a fair assumpation that Epignosis would do the following (or prefer to do so, at least under a two-wolf setup)
1. not buss the teammate, if possible
2. not suss the teammate in excess or to a point of bringing the teammate in real danger
3. defend the teammate if needed, however subtle
4. variate tone, but within range of achieving points 1 to 3
Epignosis - Syn synergy (syn-ergy get it he he)
#147 banter talk (thanks Syn for approving of his thunal vote)
#446 pitches in to Syn talk with Marmot about teammate (D1) behaviour - honestly, not a point I fully grasp or can read into
#769 banter / slight berate on Syn's manner to question, instead of debating his nutella case
#774 follows up why asking Syn to hol on till he develops a full nutella case
#777 sighs when Syn dismisses his nutella case
#965 deflects when Syn states they'd be be fine with a wagon on him
#979 replies upon Syn's change of vibe on Epig wagon
#1006 rates / reads Epig "purple"
fairly underwhelming / below average level (or amount) of interactions on Epig's behalf. it would fit more of a "ignore teammate" angle, which they also semeed to ironically exchange thoughts on. #769 felts like a poke, it could be compatible with feigning some difference of wavelength. #1006 is stinky - can't really fathom why the need to make a joke read on Syn of all
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#133 points out to Epig in thread that votes are locked, then jokes further
#216 vibe checks Epig yellow (below null?)
#350 pokes Epig (and falcon) on having made "vanity votes" in sync with the ongoing topics at that time
#603 notices that Epig has avoided him "all day (1)", but also defends not having followed up
#768 asks (simply) Epig why nutella is his pick
#780-784 has a chain of reactions, from "grief" to "acceptance", when Marmot votes Epignosis
#1078 jacknicholson.gif reaction to nutella stating an epig/syn wolfery
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wow, bit surprised interactions on this side are also thin. a lot of these looks (especially the wail on Epig being voted and the rather ill-timed banter towards nutella late EoD) fairly bad for a WolfSyn, but could also within reason amount to egg-on-face for a TownSyn. make me wanna rise to my feet and yell "your honor, this is proof of guilt!", yet also ponder for an extra sec "this is suboptimal wolfmate work, could it be that suboptimal coming from Syn"
the wolf-wolf main profile would be one in which Syn just about casts suss on Epig but not really, and Epig occasionally poked and bantered to create slight distance, but nowhere near a real growl. very in your face would be the banter, the "purple" vote and Syn's reactions to players who pushed Epig into serious wagon.
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Epignosis - falcon
#450 banter / berate(?) for falcon to change his debut post shtick
#463 banter react
#987 reads falcon "not mafia"
#1006 reiterates civread on falcon
falcon - Epignosis
#419 sympathetic or banter post to epig locking himself with the D1 vote
#460 somewhat rebuttal to an Epig react (of his debut post shtick), but could also constitute banter
#466 appears to conflate Epig's banter react into a statement that he is not in danger to except the post cap
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bleargh. this is peak ignore-lane from pretty much both sides. Epig went so far as to give a read on falcon, would be compatible with avoiding to cast any suss, don't recall any actual heat on falcon at that stage, also think this is a casual read from Epig - could serve purpose, could just be thrown out there, whilst focusing on wolfreading others. Two of falcon's three direct interactions are notable serios tone - not sure I get any real need from falcon (slank mode or not) to defend in such way.
vote-wise, WolfFalcon could have done his part to go off side (off-wagons vote), early on, and not need to take a stance on bussing Epignosis.
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Epignosis - Scotty
#141 banter deflect (implying wolfmateship with Thunal) to Scotty criticising / casting doubt on his vote-derp and immediate oops-reaction
#443 deflect to Scotty questioning Epig's reaction to his vote-derp
#470 flat out refuses upon Scotty's inquiry to expand nutella read (possible lateness of hour for Epig to take into account)
#752 reads Scotty "not mafia"
#754 open talk with Scotty on reading me wolf (or getting any info on my partner, if wolf)
#967 short rebuttal to a full SVS case on Scotty, reiterating "not mafia"
#975 deflect to Thunal putting in question an Epig/Scot team
#987 reiterates "not mafia" read on Scotty
#1001 yet another nope to reading Scotty mafia (in regards to nutella's push)
this is plentiful and interesting to ponder. first half is quite antagonistic in tone, but without any visible bite marks, no questioning of Scotty's reads and intents. then things seem to calm and even steer into town-reading him repeatedly. compatible in theory with wolfmate not creating further shade on a hounded teammate. but also compatible with choosing Scotty as one of his townreads, a prey with which not to play.
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#139 blasts full doubt on Epignosis's string of vote-derp and oops-reaction
#142 joke gif banter to Epig's claim that he is partnered with Thunal
#203 keeps questioning if Epignosis vote-derp is reasonable wolf move
#407 willing to give Epig a pass, but states possible of wolf move
#452 would join Epig on a nutella vote
#469 asks Epig to expand on nutella read
#751 still keeps in mind early take on Epignosis
#770 still questions Epig's nutella angle
#771 but then banters to Epig poking for a debate
#791 takes in Syn's choices for Epig & Thunal wagons, and votes thunal
somewhat a similar dinamic. even more antagonistic early on - in fact, the closest to a hounding I can interpret in questioning Epig's derp and posts afterwards. then settles for a "pass". then begins to sync with Epig (potential nutella wagon). still does most of the steps one would expect, in regards to questioning Epig's reads. this part is not something that can be fully set into townScot or wolfScot - it's within expectations, but it's also an easy chore, if something needed to be faked in-thread. rather null on this.
but then, one step further than Epig's established dynamic: #791 full stinky - fully interpretable as choosing the non-wolfmate route (complete with sheeping Syn, whilst at it)
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do I feel I can clear any of these players out of a POE? not really
i'm still ok with solving either of them.
if it's worth considering a traditional narrative (wolfmates bro'ing each other), then all points to Scotty
if it's a fractured or atypical narrative, then, even admitting an imperfect analysis, it's worth considering there was much banter, much ignore and whatnot with either Syn or Falcon
worst vote / possible save attempt award goes to Syn
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Couple of things about this.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:55 am
[SNIP OF BIGGER POST}
The Rico vs Thunal clearing is specific in context to their games. I don’t see a path to the end for Rico if he is bad if he continues to slank along making weird disjointed votes and posts. He obviously woke up from his coma after Epi died. I think that’s notable. Thunal said he’s done something like this as town in a game she played with him, and I’d still like to see it.
Meanwhile, the vote was more inclined imo to go either thunal or Epi yesterday from what I read. I know Rico *could* have been a close call, but I think it was a longshot based on remaining voters.
Your Epi quote shading Rico is a good one, although I’ll need to look at it in context because that could just be lamenting. His partner could have been able to swing votes away. At the point he posted that, (thanks to Syn), nutella then voted Thunal, and we had:So if rico is bad, we had nut, svs and syn that could all vote for a non-wagon in rico. Rico was holding, Epi was holding. At BEST, rico was never going over. Epi was the far more likely candidate to go over.Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:47 pmnutella's vote forces you into picking one of the three
even if you convince me, and epi, to stack on rico, rico can just tie his wagon with either epi or thunal
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Syn (1) - Falcon
Thunal (2) - Scotty, Nutella
Hasn't voted: Epi, Rico, SVS, Syn
Rico should not be cleared for this
The quote vote state is still early, Syn voted Thunal, SVS voted Epig, I voted last, Epig never did. So I dealt with a 3-3 tie.
Hence, the only world you can paint with your angle is that I deliberately chose to not save my teammate (as in not even offer his a change to win the tiebreak toss). Furthermore, I had arrived in thread at 2-2 or 3-2 lead for Thunal, so wolf me would have had direct shot at killing Thunal. So in essence, I hard bussed only to bank on winning solo three more Day phases. Can you explain further this world's plausibility?
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I'm of the mindset that Epi was trying to drum up suspish on Scotty with his ISO fixation on him, as well as that remark about Rico only have two posts while he had 2 votes (or whatever the exact wording was, sitting in the yard not pulling quotes on phone).
Like I said, not voting Thunal or Rico, not voting Nutella.
I'm more inclined to look at Falcon or Syn than Scotty.
When Thunal went and looked at Dont Starve, she said she didn't think Scotty tunnelled me as hard as he did her here, and I disagree. I think alot of it is perspective; it looks alot worse to the person being chased down the tunnel. That said, I'd trust her judgment over mine re Scotty this game. I got so invested in getting people to see Thunal v Scotty as T/T, I'm having problems seeing past my own case, even if its flawed, if that makes sense. I have also not seen bad Scotty afaik, so I'm only comparing him to games I've seen him town.
So at this point, I'm Falcon> Syn> and Scotty if Thunal is sure.
Like I said, not voting Thunal or Rico, not voting Nutella.
I'm more inclined to look at Falcon or Syn than Scotty.
When Thunal went and looked at Dont Starve, she said she didn't think Scotty tunnelled me as hard as he did her here, and I disagree. I think alot of it is perspective; it looks alot worse to the person being chased down the tunnel. That said, I'd trust her judgment over mine re Scotty this game. I got so invested in getting people to see Thunal v Scotty as T/T, I'm having problems seeing past my own case, even if its flawed, if that makes sense. I have also not seen bad Scotty afaik, so I'm only comparing him to games I've seen him town.
So at this point, I'm Falcon> Syn> and Scotty if Thunal is sure.
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I mean, these are the only two times Epi typed out "Falcon". Any other mention of him in Epis ISO is a quote of someone else, mostly reads lists. And he doesn't weigh in on him at all in any of those posts.
It isn't like Scotty that he addressed at length.
These are the only two people Epi calls "good", and his treatment of them is very different. He says Falcon = Good, but no where does he say why
So, imo, one of these is likely Epis partner, and I'm more inclined to think it's Falcon.
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im ok with a falcon vote from these analyses yeah
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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:22 pmI mean, these are the only two times Epi typed out "Falcon". Any other mention of him in Epis ISO is a quote of someone else, mostly reads lists. And he doesn't weigh in on him at all in any of those posts.
It isn't like Scotty that he addressed at length.
These are the only two people Epi calls "good", and his treatment of them is very different. He says Falcon = Good, but no where does he say why
So, imo, one of these is likely Epis partner, and I'm more inclined to think it's Falcon.
It's not.
I'm not sure if scum Epi puts his teammate in his TRs actually...Nutella is an interesting read in his list
How does Epi treat that slot?
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Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:53 amI do agree with this- this sure feels like a slank falcon. He’s maybe a tad more engaged than he was in Warbreaker where he was bad, but I found that pretty weird to describe this game as not-slankySyn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:45 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:10 pm
I am town dude, I don't have the energy level of Maf falconfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:23 pmSyn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:21 pmis there a noticeable activity difference between alignments for you? does not seem like a tell that would work on youfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:10 pm
I am town dude, I don't have the energy level of Maf falcon
Like, it's not always? But it's way more common for me to really slank as Maffalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Solve is prolly in Rico, Thunal & I
Or is that too obvious?are these the hallmarks of a happier, more spirited falcon? would we describe falcon as an active player that gets into the thick of it, or someone who has only placed two vanity votes thus far this game? in 3 days, he's posted less than N1-kill dizzy. he seems to fit his self-described wolf meta
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What kind of nugget Wolf team gives each other TRs in the way Epi and I did?
I do not do that as wolf
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It's certainly possible re: the hard defense. About the Syn being purple, it's a small thing that some wolves tend to have a hard time singling out their partner in a readslist but Epi might be willing to do that.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:43 am I am probably going to vote for Scotty
@Thunal33 I think the seemingly too on the nose hard defense route is actually quite plausible for Epi to take.
On the other hand I also thought the "Syn - purple" was a bad look, not a good one.
It is between the two for sure. I think Scotty feels more like a wolf by play today (and find him overall easier to retrofit as wolf than syn). Plus there was the prior confidence I had on him d2 for... some other reason. And my prior confidence was right on Epi so might as well listen to it again.
I'm currently leaning that Syn looks worse from recent interactions.
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@Scotty this is the game where Rico stepped up a lot d3.
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He put in more effort d1 and d2 than he did here, but it was still a huge effort difference once he decided to pick it up.
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He put in more effort d1 and d2 than he did here, but it was still a huge effort difference once he decided to pick it up.
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
Really bad. Like throughline has been advocating yeeting nutella all gamefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:52 pmS~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:22 pmI mean, these are the only two times Epi typed out "Falcon". Any other mention of him in Epis ISO is a quote of someone else, mostly reads lists. And he doesn't weigh in on him at all in any of those posts.
It isn't like Scotty that he addressed at length.
These are the only two people Epi calls "good", and his treatment of them is very different. He says Falcon = Good, but no where does he say why
So, imo, one of these is likely Epis partner, and I'm more inclined to think it's Falcon.
It's not.
I'm not sure if scum Epi puts his teammate in his TRs actually...Nutella is an interesting read in his list
How does Epi treat that slot?
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What about his interactions Ping you?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:06 pmIt's certainly possible re: the hard defense. About the Syn being purple, it's a small thing that some wolves tend to have a hard time singling out their partner in a readslist but Epi might be willing to do that.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:43 am I am probably going to vote for Scotty
@Thunal33 I think the seemingly too on the nose hard defense route is actually quite plausible for Epi to take.
On the other hand I also thought the "Syn - purple" was a bad look, not a good one.
It is between the two for sure. I think Scotty feels more like a wolf by play today (and find him overall easier to retrofit as wolf than syn). Plus there was the prior confidence I had on him d2 for... some other reason. And my prior confidence was right on Epi so might as well listen to it again.
I'm currently leaning that Syn looks worse from recent interactions.
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Lol I even modded that game. I truly don’t even remember it.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:11 pm @Scotty this is the game where Rico stepped up a lot d3.
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He put in more effort d1 and d2 than he did here, but it was still a huge effort difference once he decided to pick it up.
So I see the patented, well-formatted breakdowns he did in D1, but outside of that, it seems like a completely different rico. I wonder if he replicates that sort of deepdive thing as bad. I would assume he would just to keep up appearances.
Obviously the idea here is that he just hasn’t had time to devote to this game until just now, I just find the timing fishy.
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I read his posts about wanting to die as performative. He spent so much energy talking about that he's not a wolf but he still wants to die that my instinct was that he was doing reverse psychology. I'm not so confident about that now that I've caught up because this post read as genuine to me:Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:12 pmWhat about his interactions Ping you?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:06 pmIt's certainly possible re: the hard defense. About the Syn being purple, it's a small thing that some wolves tend to have a hard time singling out their partner in a readslist but Epi might be willing to do that.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:43 am I am probably going to vote for Scotty
@Thunal33 I think the seemingly too on the nose hard defense route is actually quite plausible for Epi to take.
On the other hand I also thought the "Syn - purple" was a bad look, not a good one.
It is between the two for sure. I think Scotty feels more like a wolf by play today (and find him overall easier to retrofit as wolf than syn). Plus there was the prior confidence I had on him d2 for... some other reason. And my prior confidence was right on Epi so might as well listen to it again.
I'm currently leaning that Syn looks worse from recent interactions.
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:35 am
what is with this disingenuous rewriting of my behaviour today? first scotty, now you? I have poked at ISOs, mused on behaviours, but the only thing that gets brought up is "sacrificial lamb" when I have very clearly explained the logic of my approach and nobody has been able to actually argue against that logic except by throwing shade and mocking me. scotty makes sense why he'd do that, but I don't grok why you would hop on that train as well
"reverse psychology" when it's other people going "hmm maybe I will vote elsewhere actually " which just means if you end up picking someone else, and they flip green, we'll just be back here tomorrow doing this entire "oh maybe it's syn!!!!!" thing again and wasting time until F3. every minute spent being paranoid about me is a minute spent not actually hunting the wolf, and in a mountainous game and with these interactions, it's extremely unlikely that I talk my way back into a solid town read. and the effort required to do so, again, means it's effort not going into finding the wolf.
I have no idea how I can explain the logic better so that people understand it, and it is frankly baffling
stop tinfoiling me. remove "syn could be a wolf after all" from your mind. embrace that I am the pick for today, and solve for who is left with that in mind. it limits the maneuverability of the wolf and completely eliminates an entire avenue of WIFOM and chaos. we have the leeway to make this choice today, but we do not tomorrow. a wolf can do a lot for their own survival if the longevity of my slot is up for debate. remove the debate. force them into navigating a world they are likely uncomfortable with.
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He did say he went to a concert, but his uptick was in part game motivated regardless because he even said "now there's a shot i kinda wanna play". I think either he was energized by a mafia flip or he was making a last stand effort and I'm leaning the former. I still don't think wolf Rico believes voting Epi is a winning strategy. After doing nothing for 2 phases and being floated often as an elim option, I really doubt he believes he could deepwolf and get 3 mislims.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:16 pmLol I even modded that game. I truly don’t even remember it.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:11 pm @Scotty this is the game where Rico stepped up a lot d3.
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He put in more effort d1 and d2 than he did here, but it was still a huge effort difference once he decided to pick it up.
So I see the patented, well-formatted breakdowns he did in D1, but outside of that, it seems like a completely different rico. I wonder if he replicates that sort of deepdive thing as bad. I would assume he would just to keep up appearances.
Obviously the idea here is that he just hasn’t had time to devote to this game until just now, I just find the timing fishy.
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you should vote me thenThunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:06 pmIt's certainly possible re: the hard defense. About the Syn being purple, it's a small thing that some wolves tend to have a hard time singling out their partner in a readslist but Epi might be willing to do that.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:43 am I am probably going to vote for Scotty
@Thunal33 I think the seemingly too on the nose hard defense route is actually quite plausible for Epi to take.
On the other hand I also thought the "Syn - purple" was a bad look, not a good one.
It is between the two for sure. I think Scotty feels more like a wolf by play today (and find him overall easier to retrofit as wolf than syn). Plus there was the prior confidence I had on him d2 for... some other reason. And my prior confidence was right on Epi so might as well listen to it again.
I'm currently leaning that Syn looks worse from recent interactions.
do I have to start pretending to lolcat to make this happen or something. why is it so hard to reason with you all
any time I explain the thought process it just gets ignored until someone else inevitably chimes in with another case on me (cheers for that rico), proving the thought process correct repeatedly. time that could have been spent on doing something actually useful for town
you even quoted the explanation after this post! are the men in black cornering each and every one with you with a neuralyzer to make you forget my posts right after reading them. is agent j around. can i speak with him
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I’m with you. I’ve actually been thinking he might just be town. Lol if he is actually using reverse psychology, because well done.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:21 pmI read his posts about wanting to die as performative. He spent so much energy talking about that he's not a wolf but he still wants to die that my instinct was that he was doing reverse psychology. I'm not so confident about that now that I've caught up because this post read as genuine to me:Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:12 pmWhat about his interactions Ping you?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:06 pmIt's certainly possible re: the hard defense. About the Syn being purple, it's a small thing that some wolves tend to have a hard time singling out their partner in a readslist but Epi might be willing to do that.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:43 am I am probably going to vote for Scotty
@Thunal33 I think the seemingly too on the nose hard defense route is actually quite plausible for Epi to take.
On the other hand I also thought the "Syn - purple" was a bad look, not a good one.
It is between the two for sure. I think Scotty feels more like a wolf by play today (and find him overall easier to retrofit as wolf than syn). Plus there was the prior confidence I had on him d2 for... some other reason. And my prior confidence was right on Epi so might as well listen to it again.
I'm currently leaning that Syn looks worse from recent interactions.
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:35 am
what is with this disingenuous rewriting of my behaviour today? first scotty, now you? I have poked at ISOs, mused on behaviours, but the only thing that gets brought up is "sacrificial lamb" when I have very clearly explained the logic of my approach and nobody has been able to actually argue against that logic except by throwing shade and mocking me. scotty makes sense why he'd do that, but I don't grok why you would hop on that train as well
"reverse psychology" when it's other people going "hmm maybe I will vote elsewhere actually " which just means if you end up picking someone else, and they flip green, we'll just be back here tomorrow doing this entire "oh maybe it's syn!!!!!" thing again and wasting time until F3. every minute spent being paranoid about me is a minute spent not actually hunting the wolf, and in a mountainous game and with these interactions, it's extremely unlikely that I talk my way back into a solid town read. and the effort required to do so, again, means it's effort not going into finding the wolf.
I have no idea how I can explain the logic better so that people understand it, and it is frankly baffling
stop tinfoiling me. remove "syn could be a wolf after all" from your mind. embrace that I am the pick for today, and solve for who is left with that in mind. it limits the maneuverability of the wolf and completely eliminates an entire avenue of WIFOM and chaos. we have the leeway to make this choice today, but we do not tomorrow. a wolf can do a lot for their own survival if the longevity of my slot is up for debate. remove the debate. force them into navigating a world they are likely uncomfortable with.
I can see his town perspective, even if he has been absolutely putting up a wall with me today
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he didn't do anything all of d1 tho, before any flips to considerThunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:27 pmHe did say he went to a concert, but his uptick was in part game motivated regardless because he even said "now there's a shot i kinda wanna play". I think either he was energized by a mafia flip or he was making a last stand effort and I'm leaning the former. I still don't think wolf Rico believes voting Epi is a winning strategy. After doing nothing for 2 phases and being floated often as an elim option, I really doubt he believes he could deepwolf and get 3 mislims.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:16 pmLol I even modded that game. I truly don’t even remember it.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:11 pm @Scotty this is the game where Rico stepped up a lot d3.
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He put in more effort d1 and d2 than he did here, but it was still a huge effort difference once he decided to pick it up.
So I see the patented, well-formatted breakdowns he did in D1, but outside of that, it seems like a completely different rico. I wonder if he replicates that sort of deepdive thing as bad. I would assume he would just to keep up appearances.
Obviously the idea here is that he just hasn’t had time to devote to this game until just now, I just find the timing fishy.
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How do you currently feel on Rico, Scotty? Because I have a concern that you're trying to expand the PoE by including him.
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
If wolf Rico doesn’t do that, what other strategy do you see him employing that he can feasibly get to the end?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:27 pmHe did say he went to a concert, but his uptick was in part game motivated regardless because he even said "now there's a shot i kinda wanna play". I think either he was energized by a mafia flip or he was making a last stand effort and I'm leaning the former. I still don't think wolf Rico believes voting Epi is a winning strategy. After doing nothing for 2 phases and being floated often as an elim option, I really doubt he believes he could deepwolf and get 3 mislims.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:16 pmLol I even modded that game. I truly don’t even remember it.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:11 pm @Scotty this is the game where Rico stepped up a lot d3.
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He put in more effort d1 and d2 than he did here, but it was still a huge effort difference once he decided to pick it up.
So I see the patented, well-formatted breakdowns he did in D1, but outside of that, it seems like a completely different rico. I wonder if he replicates that sort of deepdive thing as bad. I would assume he would just to keep up appearances.
Obviously the idea here is that he just hasn’t had time to devote to this game until just now, I just find the timing fishy.
Because all I see is fodder that has to eventually get eliminated
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
I'll decide who to vote later. I'd like to find the wolf and if I read someone as wolf with reasonable confidence, I want to vote them.Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:32 pmyou should vote me thenThunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:06 pmIt's certainly possible re: the hard defense. About the Syn being purple, it's a small thing that some wolves tend to have a hard time singling out their partner in a readslist but Epi might be willing to do that.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:43 am I am probably going to vote for Scotty
@Thunal33 I think the seemingly too on the nose hard defense route is actually quite plausible for Epi to take.
On the other hand I also thought the "Syn - purple" was a bad look, not a good one.
It is between the two for sure. I think Scotty feels more like a wolf by play today (and find him overall easier to retrofit as wolf than syn). Plus there was the prior confidence I had on him d2 for... some other reason. And my prior confidence was right on Epi so might as well listen to it again.
I'm currently leaning that Syn looks worse from recent interactions.
do I have to start pretending to lolcat to make this happen or something. why is it so hard to reason with you all
any time I explain the thought process it just gets ignored until someone else inevitably chimes in with another case on me (cheers for that rico), proving the thought process correct repeatedly. time that could have been spent on doing something actually useful for town
you even quoted the explanation after this post! are the men in black cornering each and every one with you with a neuralyzer to make you forget my posts right after reading them. is agent j around. can i speak with him
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
The thing about a POE is that it’s a process of elimination. In my reread I started feeling like something was off about Rico’s play.
My current POE I think is between Rico and falcon, and then Syn.
Is that too expansive of a POE?
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
With a 3 person POE:
It’s 6v1. Misyeet today, 4v1 tomorrow. Misyeet, we’re in lylo at 2v1.
It’s 6v1. Misyeet today, 4v1 tomorrow. Misyeet, we’re in lylo at 2v1.
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
Assuming wolf Rico didn't play the game the first 2 phases, I think if he had voted me and then put in effort d3 he'd still have a shot at surviving longer. They'd only need to get 2 mislims and they would have 2 people to do it. Epi's only interaction with Rico was also a decent look for him. It gave me the tone of "why elim me when you could elim Rico".Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:38 pmIf wolf Rico doesn’t do that, what other strategy do you see him employing that he can feasibly get to the end?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:27 pmHe did say he went to a concert, but his uptick was in part game motivated regardless because he even said "now there's a shot i kinda wanna play". I think either he was energized by a mafia flip or he was making a last stand effort and I'm leaning the former. I still don't think wolf Rico believes voting Epi is a winning strategy. After doing nothing for 2 phases and being floated often as an elim option, I really doubt he believes he could deepwolf and get 3 mislims.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:16 pmLol I even modded that game. I truly don’t even remember it.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:11 pm @Scotty this is the game where Rico stepped up a lot d3.
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He put in more effort d1 and d2 than he did here, but it was still a huge effort difference once he decided to pick it up.
So I see the patented, well-formatted breakdowns he did in D1, but outside of that, it seems like a completely different rico. I wonder if he replicates that sort of deepdive thing as bad. I would assume he would just to keep up appearances.
Obviously the idea here is that he just hasn’t had time to devote to this game until just now, I just find the timing fishy.
Because all I see is fodder that has to eventually get eliminated
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
No, a 3 person PoE is winning but the consensus PoE also includes you. If you're town and have a correct PoE of 2, you can afford to be in that PoE. However if you were a wolf and got Rico, Falcon, and Syn eliminated you would win.
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
That’s trueThunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:48 pmNo, a 3 person PoE is winning but the consensus PoE also includes you. If you're town and have a correct PoE of 2, you can afford to be in that PoE. However if you were a wolf and got Rico, Falcon, and Syn eliminated you would win.
I mean I’m definitely deserving of being in the general POE based on our interactions. It’s just that I’m actually town and am looking to just end it.
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:12 pmReally bad. Like throughline has been advocating yeeting nutella all gamefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:52 pmS~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:22 pmI mean, these are the only two times Epi typed out "Falcon". Any other mention of him in Epis ISO is a quote of someone else, mostly reads lists. And he doesn't weigh in on him at all in any of those posts.
It isn't like Scotty that he addressed at length.
These are the only two people Epi calls "good", and his treatment of them is very different. He says Falcon = Good, but no where does he say why
So, imo, one of these is likely Epis partner, and I'm more inclined to think it's Falcon.
It's not.
I'm not sure if scum Epi puts his teammate in his TRs actually...Nutella is an interesting read in his list
How does Epi treat that slot?
How seriously has Nut actually been considered by the rest of the roster?
That just screams of partner distancing
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
@Scotty I have an exercise for you.
Let’s say Rico just fell off the edge of the earth.
GTH, Syn or Falcon?
Let’s say Rico just fell off the edge of the earth.
GTH, Syn or Falcon?
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
Atm? Falcon
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
Also, if what you say is true, rico would have a lot in common with the creator of the segway
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
I don't think Epi bussed or substantially distanced from his teammate. His main suspicion was Nutella, and the fact he seemed to be trying to convince Nutella here and appease her as well as push her makes me comfortable with Nutella as town.
Anyone in the old school Syndicate crowd, might Epi/Scotty have a special dynamic with each other? Because I know I was burned making a similar read in the Art Upick game when all the SDNers randed wolf and hard defended each other, but I don't think there's the same dynamic here.
If Epi disconnected from his teammate then his teammate would be Syn, Falcon, or Rico. There's some pointless banter between Epi and Syn, like this:
Falcon is an almost pure disconnection. Epi said Falcon and Scotty weren't mafia once, and then put Falcon as good in his readslist. There's not the same need for banter as with Syn, the post almost felt like "oh I have to mention Falcon" which could go either way.
Epi/Rico would also have a disconnecting strategy, but this post gave me a vibe of "look, Rico only has 3 posts, don't elim me"
If it were Epi/Scotty Epi would have defended Scotty, while Scotty would have distanced with Epi. That in itself is a plausible dynamic, but Epi knew he was getting sus and might flip and hard defended Scotty anyway. If it is WIFOM it's suboptimal WIFOM because most people are more likely to suspect people that hard defend each other than to call it a good look. I think it looks slightly good for Scotty.
Anyone in the old school Syndicate crowd, might Epi/Scotty have a special dynamic with each other? Because I know I was burned making a similar read in the Art Upick game when all the SDNers randed wolf and hard defended each other, but I don't think there's the same dynamic here.
If Epi disconnected from his teammate then his teammate would be Syn, Falcon, or Rico. There's some pointless banter between Epi and Syn, like this:
I don't think it's a good look for Syn because it felt like Epi needed to interact with him and I think that's more frequent with a partner. Putting Syn as "purple" in his readslist I thought looked good at first glance, but I can see it as part of this need to banter with Syn.
Falcon is an almost pure disconnection. Epi said Falcon and Scotty weren't mafia once, and then put Falcon as good in his readslist. There's not the same need for banter as with Syn, the post almost felt like "oh I have to mention Falcon" which could go either way.
Epi/Rico would also have a disconnecting strategy, but this post gave me a vibe of "look, Rico only has 3 posts, don't elim me"
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
Now you:
GTH Syn or falcon?
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Re: The Emperor's Soul [D3]
I should clarify about my turnabout with Syn:
-epi’s interactions, Syn’s voting progressions have very high partner equity
-Syn is just so perfect of a fit that I think it’s too perfect
-epi’s interactions, Syn’s voting progressions have very high partner equity
-Syn is just so perfect of a fit that I think it’s too perfect
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