Don't Starve Mafia [ENDGAME]

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Okay, once more, and this time with feeling.

Poll ended at Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:00 pm

Belzy
0
No votes
falcon45ca
0
No votes
JaggedJimmyJay
3
25%
Lime Coke
4
33%
motobot
2
17%
Porscha
0
No votes
Ricochet
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No votes
Seanzie
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No votes
Zenon
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No votes
Dragonfly (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
25%
 
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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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Narrowly avoiding a bottom-page with a rainbow list is exquisite. We love those.
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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:34 pm It's worth noting that Lime is actually at 5 votes right now even though it doesn't look like it in the poll. Moto is a double-voter and Lime has 1 hunger vote from D1.

If things don't change before EoD, I'll probably move to Creature since that's a better flip than Lime IMO. I'd also support a Wilgy wagon.
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I'd vote Creature before either of the other two wagons. I'd prefer DrWilgy.
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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:18 pm Ricochet ISO

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Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:11 am Page one and so far everything tutuu said about town not picking food for swag or such has irked me.

A. Non-food items are limited, so invariably some townies will have only food to pick. Case in point, me after missing out on all the non-food items. There's no point in judging player's AI based on skipping food, since some will have nothing but food left to pick.
B. Having invisible votes added to your tally is not beneficial. Vote shenanigans are not great for gamesolving purposes. So it's not townminded to boast about getting hungry.
C. Something about waiting to see what Seanzie will pick. Why Seanzie, in particular? And why such concern at all?
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:40 am Page two and the mech talk is fine, I suppose. Easy pocket material, tho, especially with the prevalent "ooh tutuu is town for mechtalking this much" sentiment.

Tutuu still bit wishwashy or just plain derpy now with the whole "town be swag and not pick food" but then "oh wait getting increasingly hungry will lose game for town" progression.

Ping on Rondo asking to be grouped with the mechtalkers. For what? Or what kind of cred?

I don't think the game will be faultily designed (especially with this being an Epig game) as to reach a mechanical loss i.e. fX town being starved or mafia hogging all the protections each time.
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:12 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:59 am
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:48 am Define ”again”.
You and scotty have tried to soft scum me this game. I see some team work
You're inflating a ping to a wolfread.

Still doesn't account for the again-ness of my endeavour.
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:13 am
tutuu wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:44 am
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:11 am Page one and so far everything tutuu said about town not picking food for swag or such has irked me.

A. Non-food items are limited, so invariably some townies will have only food to pick. Case in point, me after missing out on all the non-food items. There's no point in judging player's AI based on skipping food, since some will have nothing but food left to pick.
B. Having invisible votes added to your tally is not beneficial. Vote shenanigans are not great for gamesolving purposes. So it's not townminded to boast about getting hungry.
C. Something about waiting to see what Seanzie will pick. Why Seanzie, in particular? And why such concern at all?
Obv i wouldn't scumread someone for picking food if they had no other choice

Im not scumreading people who are picking food in the first place lol
Maybe I missread, but there was some „if I was mafia I would have picked food, ergo townread me yall" + "waiting to see what seanzie picks, they be mafia if picking food" stuff.

And "picking non-food is towny", which later you 180d into "oh no town will go hungry and lose on mechanics, must pick food"
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:23 am Six out of 18 items are non-food. So, by design, some town will inevitably pick them (or have to).

Mafia depriving town of nightkill protection, at the cost of going +1 in votes, sounds like a proper Epig game balance. They could, but then it depends on drawing (repeatedly) less heat in the game.

Vibe right now is that mech-based conjecturing isn't that valuable. The game has madness, it will develop.
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:09 am
tutuu wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:00 am
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:58 am What do you townlock those four for?
They picked non-food
lol

This is some but not all of Rico's earliest content, and I have focused primarily on his initial reception of tutuu. Rico's critiques/suspicion carried some weight (orange), and this developed into a somewhat significant component of the Day 1 dialogue (and tutuu becoming a top wagon). This Rico material doesn't thrill me. tutuu made some assertions about mechanics and how they reflect on people that can obviously be debated, and I'd be more comfortable if that's what happened -- they were debated (instead of they were shaded as something agenda-driven). On that note, I think Rico did achieve that eventually in the green post by simply expressing his view of the mechanical miscellany. I tend to wish this was the focus.

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Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:10 am Vivax has three posts rn, all with certain reads (yay on paper).

Post #1 is a bit of a mix(ed bag) of mechtalk, AI claim and hopping on some pings.
The claim that he would steal the protections as wolf strikes as rushed in rationale, i.e. omitting the downside of gaining hunger votes in the process (he stated there would be no "drawbacks" in fact). Is Vivax the type of wolfplayer who would, indeed, steal town benefits and dare to play with vote weights on? Who knows. Anyway, this statement only leads to WIFOM, if judged seriously. "I would" / "I would never". Mkay.
The ping on tutuu is not much at all. (At worst it was probably a total skim of tutuu's other posts)
The ping on Rondo is without much (in-game) sense to what was already a Rondo statement without much (in-game) sense.

Post #2 was on me and I found it funny. I mean, as far as what I've said, I thought I was pretty reasoned and surveyed different aspects. But the funny side of his angle - probably hasn't played with me (at all? not much?) - is that I am indeed a monument of excess in verbiage and reasoning.

Post #3 was on Scotty and I kind of vibe of it. Scotty's sus is one thing, but his phrasing that SVS would be overly cautious in her mechtalk feels a bit ech. It doesn't feel unreasonable of Vivax to see it this way or point it out.

In relation to JJJ's take, I don't (or didn't) feel as pinged by these posts. #1 is probably the worst. The other two give the vibe of invested play and reading into undertext.
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:09 pm I'm getting noseitches about Scotty.

First he pushes a sus on SVS - at the time (#153) it seemed to come off tutuu's own doubts, but upon revisit it seems it wasn't a sheep moment - of which the reasoning comes off flat.
Then he pushes on Vivax of off JJJ's case - and it felt like a coast; or I would have rather imagined Scotty could have come up with his own take, separately.
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:49 pm
Scotty wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:46 pm
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:09 pm I'm getting noseitches about Scotty.

First he pushes a sus on SVS - at the time (#153) it seemed to come off tutuu's own doubts, but upon revisit it seems it wasn't a sheep moment - of which the reasoning comes off flat.
Then he pushes on Vivax of off JJJ's case - and it felt like a coast; or I would have rather imagined Scotty could have come up with his own take, separately.
Maybe try a Zyrtec or something for that nose

So you’re astutely saying that I made my own case/suspicion on SVS. And then in the next sentence you are lamenting that i didn’t come up with my own take.
Coasting isn’t the word you’re looking for, by the by. That’d imply I’m floating around in one of those blow up flamingos in the ocean waiting for rescue or sharks or something.

I’m closer to ‘paddling’ towards shore on a wakeboard, occasionally riding the waves as they push me.
The two sentences are distinct.
You made a push for SVS, but there seemed to be a wave of doubting her take on the mechtalk.
You placed a hard agree on JJ's case.
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:00 pm
Scotty wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:52 pm
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:49 pm
Scotty wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:46 pm
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:09 pm I'm getting noseitches about Scotty.

First he pushes a sus on SVS - at the time (#153) it seemed to come off tutuu's own doubts, but upon revisit it seems it wasn't a sheep moment - of which the reasoning comes off flat.
Then he pushes on Vivax of off JJJ's case - and it felt like a coast; or I would have rather imagined Scotty could have come up with his own take, separately.
Maybe try a Zyrtec or something for that nose

So you’re astutely saying that I made my own case/suspicion on SVS. And then in the next sentence you are lamenting that i didn’t come up with my own take.
Coasting isn’t the word you’re looking for, by the by. That’d imply I’m floating around in one of those blow up flamingos in the ocean waiting for rescue or sharks or something.

I’m closer to ‘paddling’ towards shore on a wakeboard, occasionally riding the waves as they push me.
The two sentences are distinct.
You made a push for SVS, but there seemed to be a wave of doubting her take on the mechtalk.
You placed a hard agree on JJ's case.
I further explained my reasoning for Vivax. That I agreed with what JJJ was seeing doesn’t mean I didn’t also have that thought separately.

But I’m not fussed about it, because I don’t really care about how my reads are being taken. I’m just vibing, baby
In theory, once you've picked a wave to surf, you can further do anything with it.
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:10 pm
tutuu wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:07 pm Sean might be rly busy town or he could be mafia
Second inactive poster you focus on reading for whatever reason.

Ping.
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:28 pm
tutuu wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:08 pm tutuu
martin
scotty
jay


rico
svs
zenon
rondo


sean
creature
I know this is the result of surveying the thread, but it still reads weird and off to place total inactives dead red and everything else dead town.

I highlight these posts in relative succession, because I think they're important in the broader discussion of Rico. He has been accused of commentary without stances more or less, and I haven't really seen him that way. I think can understand the perception for reasons I will highlight later in this review, but the above posts make a contrary argument. His read on Vivax is less a "stance" than a response to my own stance, but I think he provided meaningful nuance. Then he provides clear stances for both Scotty and tutuu. One may accuse Rico of "bad" stances perhaps, but not of "non"-stances, at least not in these moments.

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Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:45 pm Main wagon rn is:
- SVS vote, reasoned on tutuu's talk and ideas being sketchy
- Zenon vote, thrown off the bat
- Meatbaby vote, not even written in the thread
- motoboat, not-comprehensibly worded vote

Counterwagon rn is:
- tutuu vote, on meta
- falcon vote, unreasoned or sheeping
- vivax vote, unreasoned, after some light inquiry into the meta angle
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:47 pm Of those, Vivax exhibits either a loss of steam during the second half of today or increasingly less convincing angles and ideas, this vote being the lowest
Ricochet wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:00 pm
tutuu wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:56 pm
tutuu wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:54 pm yeah honestly vivax is just town imo. gut read
he looks kind of surface level scummy and he gets mischopped and he flips town. ive seen this play thousand of times. so the giga brain move here is to townread him despite him looking kinda meh, predicting that he will flip town despite looking meh. beat the system. stack the deck.
A considerable amount of giga brain moving is already requested:
- that we lynch Creature cuz they hate and shutdown when mafia
- that we lynch Sean cuz they panik and keep mum when mafia
- that we townread Vivax cuz they resort to scrambling as town
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I think these are the posts that give an impression of "commentary". And that's an understandable impression; it's primarily what they are. On balance I don't tend to view that kind of thing as alignment-indicative (maybe it depends on the person). Also I think it should be noted that even in the large review post, each "comment" is followed by some kind of stance. So it's not as though Rico is just hanging around saying words without using those words.

It's in that sense that I think reducing his play to "commentary" isn't really a charitable take.

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Ricochet wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:05 pm Case on Scotty not playing it genuine

SVS shade, based on mechtalk, feels like a scramble to come up with some less-good to paint someone out of it (whilst there was no true, general trend to sus anyone out of that talk, save for SVS v. tutuu). The reasoning that SVS would have played it carefully doesn't feel cooked in campfire at all.

Later spins it, I feel, in a sketchy / paranoid angle of SVS being smooth killah and stuff, which feels either too early (and insubstantial) to paint such a picture or just bluff

+

Vivax suss feels like a piggyback onto JJJ's reasoning. Made me also think it's a second time he's melding with someone else (though he did the same wrt tutuu on SVS, but that is likely just a coincidental timing). Then proceeds to strengthen it in serious critical tone. Again, I feel a true Scot could / would have come out of the gates himself with that.

+

Upon re-read, most of his other pushes are flat.
Splash votes (Rondo, Wilgy, Lime).
Soft jab at JJJ for some weak (meta) apologetics.
Creates wolf team with two inactives (at that time)

+

Deflecting shades and suspicions on votes on himself with jokes, banter and haha can obviously come from either side, but coming from a mostly suss perspective, it doesn't better the read.

Full-blown case on Scotty, and perhaps the most comprehensive single case in the game to this point. Clearly Scotty flipped town, so it didn't work out. Is the case itself "playing it genuine" as Rico described for Scotty? I think so? If I want to be pessimistic and find a mafia agenda here (beyond just "mischop Scotty", which, sure), I could see an effort to pocket S~V~S given her own suspicion of Scotty maybe. But then S~V~S was night killed, so it's difficult to make that theory coherent. At absolute level 1, it was a case against a civilian, so take that as far as you feel it should be taken.

I don't want to get deep into analyzing the content of Rico's Day 2 posts. I will instead just remark that I think he has made a decent effort to stay relevant and involved despite the limitation apparently imposed upon him. He could have taken a nap, but he didn't. So that's appreciated.

~~~

I've tried to be as thorough as possible for this one and avoid confirmation bias. If I really want to squeeze, I can probably find a mafia case in here -- but I still don't feel it. At the very least, this provides a lot more clarity for the Rico-suspecters to engage with. I don't think he's the best vote today.
I find it interesting that you mentioned the "commentary" thing, but didn't include the big late-D1 catchup post he did that was almost entirely commentary without real takes, which was followed up with scumreads that he didn't say anything about.

I do admit though that looking back at Rico's Scotty case, it does have a bit more depth to it than I thought.
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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:38 pm I find it interesting that you mentioned the "commentary" thing, but didn't include the big late-D1 catchup post he did that was almost entirely commentary without real takes, which was followed up with scumreads that he didn't say anything about.

I do admit though that looking back at Rico's Scotty case, it does have a bit more depth to it than I thought.
If you're referring to this post, I mentioned it with a link instead of a full quote. I think there were real takes in there, generally provided after the bullet point comments per player.
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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:38 pm
I find it interesting that you mentioned the "commentary" thing, but didn't include the big late-D1 catchup post he did that was almost entirely commentary without real takes, which was followed up with scumreads that he didn't say anything about.
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What's the biggest grievance against Lime Coke?
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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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@tutuu what set you off on Creature?
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Also tutuu becoming unsettled about me during my time away after our night chat and previous vibing is an extremely town progression. If she outlives me, I suggest y'all listen to her.
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Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:41 pm
Zenon wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:31 pm
Scotty wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:21 pm
Zenon wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:12 pm
Zenon wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:00 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:20 pm

intermittent fasting can be quite healthy. 12 hours is not particularly long as long as you don't have any health issues which require food intake regulation.
Yeah I do 16 or try to sometimes it's closer to 15 I'm down to 263 from 280

My goal weight for surgery is 240 but my personal goal is 180 I haven't been below 260 in a year I haven't been at 240 in like 4/5 years I haven't been below 200 in 7 years when I moved here 10 years ago I was 190

Bleh.
I believe in you! Just keep up the work, and make sure you eat healthy and exercise rather than just trying to not eat.

I was at 250 during the worst of covid and I've worked my way down to about 225. I've been stuck there for about a year now though. I'd like to get back to 200. I haven't lost any weight recently, but I did start working out a lot more a few months ago, and while my weight has stayed the same, I have done some body recomposition, which feels pretty good.
I'm sure I'd lose weight faster if I worked out but I can't afford a gym or anything
hi. Ghost here.

There are lots of body weight exercises and routines you can get into even if you don’t have a gym. Making sure you do some moving after each meal and working up a sweat when you can goes a lot way in supplement to good nutrition!

You can do it! Just gotta maintain the course! Sometimes life gets in the way of a routine, but find that routine, and stick to it no matter what.
I have no clue how to do anything xD
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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:45 pm @tutuu what set you off on Creature?
He gives up when he experiences pressure as wolf. We all know he does, and he self-admitted this very game on day 1

Creature's posting D1 has been good, but he did nothing D2

3 of my towncored townreads are voting Creature with me rn. No wolves are voting Creature atm fmpov

Creature voting Wilgy makes me not want to vote wilgy. Motobot voting lime coke makes not want to vote lime coke

If Creature if town he's the easiest mischop to be pushing rn. Not Ricochet who's fighting back. Lime Coke is fighting back too. Creature isn't fighting back. But wolves aren't pushing him fmpov
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tutuu wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:32 pm creature received pressure and he dipped

he's probably mafia

if he's that disinterested as town we aren't winning anyway

i think creature good chop
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:38 pm I find it interesting that you mentioned the "commentary" thing, but didn't include the big late-D1 catchup post he did that was almost entirely commentary without real takes, which was followed up with scumreads that he didn't say anything about.

I do admit though that looking back at Rico's Scotty case, it does have a bit more depth to it than I thought.
If you're referring to this post, I mentioned it with a link instead of a full quote. I think there were real takes in there, generally provided after the bullet point comments per player.
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Vivax rebutted that he has cooled off due to gamestate i.e. sandbagging / vague gamereads to skirt being AI read. I don't think I grasp his pov, but it also doesn't eliminate the contrast of having looked into player's texts and intentions early on. One of the two approaches rings superficial.

Creature surfaces:
-- begs for mercy right away
-- points to meta of similar activity; to note, there is open disinterest stated in that game, which has so far not been expressed here; I reserve judgement on whether this is to save face or genuine
-- rebuttal that they would ghost under pressure, not entirely (and game-breakingly) is alright
-- questions tutuu on focusing on zeroposters, but townreads them for lulz-just-trollin
-- focuses on Seanzie inactivity and potential Rondo - JJJ buddying

Probably ok with Creature atp.

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Porscha more active:
-- statement on having also played AI-cluelesss for a while
-- startled by the idea of Seanzie being lynched
-- frustration at getting the polarized / not active enough treatment (from knowledgeable-on-meta players, especially)
-- ok so main rebuttal is that all the suss from tutuu is untrue and unfouonded
-- #674 is also a rebuttal worth considering (along with Se7en similar meta -- edit: though apparently some claims about that meta are not accurate?)

On the fence, but last posts read a lot better.

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JJJ desires more Martin

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tutuu chaosy with her instant townreads and vote switches.

and then roleclaims.
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Scotty ok's it.
SVS lemme think about it's it.
JJJ disapproves of tutuu wagon regardless' it.
Rondo annyoed at early claim's it.
Porscha expresses reservations of WIFOM's it.
Zenon doesn't find it confirmable's it and disapprove of protection choice's it.

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Sudden Porscha push (tutuu, scotty, JJJ on page), coupled with very inactive / complete inactives. Ergh. Porscha or one other individual name on this list would ring fine, but creating a wolf scenario of whatif's and zero-poster's feels like driving attention outside a lot of actual gamestate.

JJJ later states it has more to do with the expectation of an active, town Porscha.
Scotty later likes the pushback.

State of push now...? ?

--

Zenon votes Vivax.
Zenon votes Tutuu.
Townreads Porscha.
Asks for Tutuu's protection. Then to use it on Rondo.
Wolfreads tutuu's Seanzie vote.
Zenon votes Scotty.

Hm. Woke up with the vibe that it's still all tantrum and empty voting, BUT the read into tutuu is acknowledgeable. Best part of the ISO by far, atm.

--

SVS surfaces
-- more mechtalk and susstalk in relation to tutuu
-- back and forths with Scotty
-- step back on tutuu after roleclaim

Growing feeling that her interests and topics are inversely proportional to having made any actual read or focused elsewhere. There is potential in skirting with this. Or just preparing to tunnel on those two suss's.

--

Rondo surfaces and sort of sprawls all over. I don't find the time and resources to judge all of that. Pass.

Did not expect him to defend zeroposter-D1-lynching, tho.

Some proposal about the item pick order on D2 that I don't understand one bit.

At least seems to come up with a JJJ + Scotty + Vivax scenario. Some JJJ - Scotty interaction is perhaps worth analyzing, but his mashup of quotes also felt from all over the place.
Does make a point about both of his suspects brushing it off with hahahoohoo's.

I am feeling a decent to light to strong pass on Rondo material toDay.

--

Seanzie!

-- abandons all hope of catching up first 12 pages
Funny how JJJ suggests that he look into mostly inactives. Ergh.
-- townreads Porscha. Repeatedly. Calls it a tell thing. States it was accurate a lot of times in previous games.
A Porscha / Seanzie w/w world would already start to look kinda dumbmove, judging from Seanzie's moves.
-- rebuttal on same "polarized" argument from tutuu (unfounded, unrealistic, unproved meta-wise)
-- lol mushrooms
-- fine's falcon

uuhhhh k

--

Martin!

Bookmarking his longass post to look at later. Maybe.

--

votes on Metababy
-- tutuu why
-- Martin have to read the longass post to probably figure out why
-- LimeCoke why

another wagon with little... meat on it (CSI_hiyaaa_mp2

--

Speaking of LimeCoke: resurfaces,
-- apparently forgot to vote, surprised he isn't getting flak.
-- also considers Vivax, Motobot or Porscha voting

uhhhh k

--

Falcon surfaces
-- too long doesn't read Rondo's case
-- vibes with Sean on several levels

uuuuh k

--

Meatbaby surfaces and... wew. That is some tone. Da fuk.
Okay, he does have a take on Creature, but I don't really see why it follows from what is written above.

On the fence, not really a take.

No take on Jay, No take on Tutuu, no take on Seanzie, no take on Martin, no take on Lime, no take on Falcon

I don't think I can call this a take.

SVS and Rondo he does seem to take kind of a stance on

Is this a take?

So 3 takes altogether. The rest is just busywork.

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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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@JaggedJimmyJay why didnt you pick wood or flint today?
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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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Creature wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:34 pm
How can I be bad for 0 posting?

Like, I always try to post something as wolf and if I am 0 posting it almost always mean I am genuinely busy and hence it's completely NAI
Creature wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:35 pm
I tend to ghost only under pressure

I don't ghost from the get go
Creature wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:37 pm
I don't intentionally 0 post as wolf

If I was wolf and not busy I would've already posted something

but I am busy

so I zeroposted

and it's entirely NAI
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Creature wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:57 pm It doesn't feel like anyone is taking this game seriously
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Creature wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:30 pm Seanzie and Martin are both wolfy
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Creature wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:34 pm Also Martin looks pretty underwhelming for his standards here.
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It looked like genuine indignation. I asked if this is an alright reason to townread Seanzie or it's something he can easily fake as wolf.
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also rico just listing everything that happened isnt scummy for him. i havent played with him before, but i skimmed one game where he was town and he did the exact same. this isnt scummy for him, thats how he plays
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tutuu wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:54 pm @JaggedJimmyJay why didnt you pick wood or flint today?
I think it's important to ensure town gets plenty of the food resources so that mafia cannot stockpile them for a huge endgame advantage, even if I don't survive that long. I even declined to tell falcon I already had the lasagna on purpose since he's POE. XD
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:57 pm
tutuu wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:54 pm @JaggedJimmyJay why didnt you pick wood or flint today?
I think it's important to ensure town gets plenty of the food resources so that mafia cannot stockpile them for a huge endgame advantage, even if I don't survive that long. I even declined to tell falcon I already had the lasagna on purpose since he's POE. XD
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Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:53 pm
I don't think that is an accurate judgement of the post. Here, let's take a look:
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Ricochet wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:11 am Catching up from my wagonz post (#412). 7 pages oh boy. Sprawling notes incoming.
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If anyone cares about mech, this is probably the mafia role that covered Rico in web and gave him this posting restriction

https://dontstarve.fandom.com/wiki/Webber
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:43 pm What's the biggest grievance against Lime Coke?
Before I reviewed Lime Coke I thought he seemed kinda floaty and existy, but he ended up looking fine when I got into the details.

Is there something else about him that is bugging folks?
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Ricochet wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:53 pm
I don't think that is an accurate judgement of the post. Here, let's take a look:
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Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:53 pm

Ricochet wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:11 am Catching up from my wagonz post (#412). 7 pages oh boy. Sprawling notes incoming.
I'm not sure what your point is here.
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Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:06 pm
Ricochet wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:53 pm
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Ricochet wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:11 am Catching up from my wagonz post (#412). 7 pages oh boy. Sprawling notes incoming.
I'm not sure what your point is here.
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Seanzie wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:53 pm So 3 takes altogether. The rest is just busywork.
At a certain point we're splitting hairs, but I probably give more credit to those takes on Porscha and Zenon. Not everything has to clearly state "this is a town read" or "this is a mafia read" as long as it is a part of a larger progression.
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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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Lime Coke wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:27 am Man....idk how I wanna go about these thinking about it.

Zenon let's lean town.

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

Let's lean this wolf.
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Lime Coke wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:16 am
His responses to being scumread/voted aren't bad, tbh.
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Lime Coke wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 11:56 am [VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine
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Lime Coke wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:07 pm
Don't find him towny besides his responses to votes.
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Lime Coke wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:23 pm @Lime Coke what do you think of Rico's case against Scotty?
I...guess I get the reasoning.
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Lime Coke wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:05 pm
You're still townreading Ricochet? Why?
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Lime Coke wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:18 pm Why should I not be town reading Rico, and/or what is the process of events that suggests my read should change?
Three town flips.
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Lime Coke wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:28 pm
My reasoning for voting Ricochet when it got later on Day 1, was because of this post.

Felt like it was scummy just because it was basically like what Seanzie said. Too much commentary on random things, not really applying reads on most of the slots in the game after the "analysis"?
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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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Thanks Rico. At the least the “you’re still town reading Rico” and “three dead town” moments are goofy.
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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:19 pm Thanks Rico. At the least the “you’re still town reading Rico” and “three dead town” moments are goofy.
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Rico is probably something we can discuss further on the next day. I was writing and articulating more but it seems like finishing that would take awhile and it is EoD.

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You know what I'll go on Wilgy. Creature is apparently voting there and if Wilgy is a mafia flip I wanna know that instead of flipping Creature first.

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ok im out good luck friends

>>>>> if jay is alive on day 4 and there was no mech intervention, please heavily consider policy chopping him for the reason of him being alive. but obviously consider flips and daytalk and everything. but keep it in the back of your minds that him surviving night 3, if he does, is highly questionable. put him under scrutiny. make him squirm. be skeptical of him <<<<<
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Re: Don't Starve Mafia [Day 2]

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Meh, Rico wagon doesn't feel like it's gonna happen.

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If you're all planning to mislynch me anyway make sure to do that in an even day.
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In the off-chance that I die tonight, I do wanna share that on n1 it seems I was hit by some sort of negative utility.

Or my role had a chance to fail that was hidden from me. The fail had a flavorful description to it.
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DrWilgy and Ricochet are prob my top suspects aorn

but I am mostly sheeping you all rn
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Rondo might be a wolf maybe?
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Creature wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:40 pm Yawn

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine
Creature wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:31 pm DrWilgy and Ricochet are prob my top suspects aorn

but I am mostly sheeping you all rn
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Maybe DrWilgy then
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Like, unless it's time to sus tutuu rn
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tutuu wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:23 pm ok im out good luck friends

>>>>> if jay is alive on day 4 and there was no mech intervention, please heavily consider policy chopping him for the reason of him being alive. but obviously consider flips and daytalk and everything. but keep it in the back of your minds that him surviving night 3, if he does, is highly questionable. put him under scrutiny. make him squirm. be skeptical of him <<<<<
I hate when people say this because your just giving the wolf team a free kill
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tutuu wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:44 pm tutuu
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Zenon wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:38 pm
tutuu wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:23 pm ok im out good luck friends

>>>>> if jay is alive on day 4 and there was no mech intervention, please heavily consider policy chopping him for the reason of him being alive. but obviously consider flips and daytalk and everything. but keep it in the back of your minds that him surviving night 3, if he does, is highly questionable. put him under scrutiny. make him squirm. be skeptical of him <<<<<
I hate when people say this because your just giving the wolf team a free kill
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[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Don't mind yeeting either because I don't townread either.

Hopefully I'm home before deadline but will try to keep tabs.
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Does nobody see a wagon with Martin, JJJ and Tutuu or is this just me?
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die_meatbaby wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:48 pm Does nobody see a wagon with Martin, JJJ and Tutuu or is this just me?
I'm not sure what you mean. Could you restate?
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die_meatbaby wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:48 pm Does nobody see a wagon with Martin, JJJ and Tutuu or is this just me?
martin and rondo aren't on the poll. removed by some ability. me and jjj are there
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die_meatbaby wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:48 pm Does nobody see a wagon with Martin, JJJ and Tutuu or is this just me?
Rondodimbuckle and I are missing from the poll, where we vote people, if that's what you're referring to.

Everyone else appears to be on there though.
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