Turtle Mafia

[samac]

Spoiler: show

He posted some jokes D1 and disappeared? Wondering what you found AI.

Is that towny?

I’d say it’s more likely NAI than anything and makes for an easy D1 misyeet.

okay but consider
killing xan has no downsides

Says person that I have literally wolf-read every time he has randed wolf. Within minutes. Using only a tiny amount of posts. If you're a wolf getting me out the game D1 would be a huge boon for you.

We’ll since it’s been minutes read pls?

Ill just let you finish catching up

Fair enough lol

[tedxtr]

But after I thought about it she also overplayed the "have you gotten a role pm yet" by not reading the thread until people said so lol

Maybe ask me is fine but waiting for the second person is a bit much

Hmmm... possibly I don't think it's like enough to change my Tutuu read. Probs. I also just think Tutuu is just generally normal town Tutuu

what's villagery about her?

[samac]

Says person that I have literally wolf-read every time he has randed wolf. Within minutes. Using only a tiny amount of posts. If you're a wolf getting me out the game D1 would be a huge boon for you.

If this is true, you should know whether or not Delta is mafia, but this post isn't a "gotcha", it's a "get off my back or else". Why is that?

I feel like youve misread my post completely. To the point youve deliberately misread it. You're out the town pile and into the bottom 3.

I didn't misread your post, and you're deflecting.

You quite blatantly did, and now you're doubling down rather than actually re-reading it to work out what you misunderstood. You're actually just a woof.

This game is fucking easy.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Huh. I don't like this post either.

I wonder if Xan/Delta is a possible team lol

Reading up more I don't think this is likely but it is concerning that they shade each other so hard but never keep their votes on each other.

Feels weird but probably not real I'm just over thinking it.

You’re in discord servers with them. How much of the early stuff do you think is teasing?

[Belzy]

Hello everyone, my name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a turtle

hi wilgy!! nice to see you again o/

You too my friend!

I haven't read anything, may I sheep you?

You may only turtle.

Okay, but saying "Can I turtle you?" sounds dirty.

Sometimes dirty is better.

[samac]

Cool okay, showtime.
I’m going to warn you about something - I find it hard to find confident wolf reads early game. Falcon seems disingenuous and not working towards an actual game solve but pushing an agenda. Take that as you will.
I can tell y’all aren’t gonna like that I’m not making stronger pushed than that but I’m not gonna fake it. So take my town reads and do with them what you will.

[Delta]

I regret to inform the thread I cannot find a wolf game from sam
she's too powerful

[Belzy]

Cool okay, showtime.
I’m going to warn you about something - I find it hard to find confident wolf reads early game. Falcon seems disingenuous and not working towards an actual game solve but pushing an agenda. Take that as you will.
I can tell y’all aren’t gonna like that I’m not making stronger pushed than that but I’m not gonna fake it. So take my town reads and do with them what you will.

I have learned the best strategy is to find a towncore first. Maybe that will help you catching scum in the long run.

[Delta]

I regret to inform the thread I cannot find a wolf game from sam
she's too powerful

nevermind

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

the vote is weird
and i dont like it
but i dont think it makes him mafia when i think about it

weh
@DrWilgy how would you describe your wolf meta?

I'm not very polarized imo so the differences are minor if at all. As both town/wolf I decide preemptively as to how I'll approach the game and then will only break that approach if absolutely needed.

I think a good example of how It's hard to tell, in champs, I was down for offing myself to ensure positive thread health. In that very game I think it was Samac who pointed out, 'well in this game where you were wolf, you tried to kill yourself too...'

So I get yeeted as T and as W, just a matter of maximizing my value regardless of how it happens.

Don't remind me how bad I misread you in champs big sadness

You got there eventually, and I knew you would.

When Haze was at risk, I knew I needed to go over before Haze so no worries

*cries*

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

I don't disagree but hwhy?

He felt so much different than the typical I’m seeing here so far.
I changed it later. Why do you not disagree?

Mainly cause I don't town read them.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I search for town. Anyone I don't town read can die.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@samac

do you think you could give me an overview of your reads right now please?

I’m catching back up. This will probably be the last time I’m on till tomorrow. Going to a show tonight and enjoying myself.

All I have at this point is I think your town.
PSV likely town.
Xanj feels way different than champs so I’m hoping that means town.

Zenon posts a lot but I don’t know that I have a real read on this.

I don’t like falcon pushing me, disappearing when I questioned that and then writing it off as “oh you’re mafia not wasting my time.” That feels gross.

I should honestly be the easiest person to read

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

So Neon is pushing NAI for an easy D1 mislynch, eh?





And you're doing nothing about it



[VOTE: samac] aubergine

Okay.
What was your thought of her vote?

I think pressuring players who pop in w/ fluff posts is exactly what I'd like to see from town

This is terrible reasoning, I was clearly around until I wasn't. No vote is going to wake me up so there is no pressure being applied is there. Trying to back it up is just an attempt at pocketing someone you can see has already started with an incorrect vote

Oh hey look. Same wavelength.

This thought process is blatantly false though so like *shrugs*

But it’s not though. What benefit do you get from your pressur vote if no one shows up?

Presumably...

The person will eventually show up.

And they will have pressure on them.

Which Xan did

And than he reacted to it.

Wow shock awe pressure did something holy amazing

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I don’t like falcon pushing me, disappearing when I questioned that and then writing it off as “oh you’re mafia not wasting my time.” That feels gross.

Even better they came back and dropped a naked vote on me. Doing well senor falcon is.

Well I mean falcon is town so

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

But after I thought about it she also overplayed the "have you gotten a role pm yet" by not reading the thread until people said so lol

Maybe ask me is fine but waiting for the second person is a bit much

Hmmm... possibly I don't think it's like enough to change my Tutuu read. Probs. I also just think Tutuu is just generally normal town Tutuu

what's villagery about her?

Everything lol.

Lack of care about how they come across. Tone. Purity. Meta. Cuteness.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If this is true, you should know whether or not Delta is mafia, but this post isn't a "gotcha", it's a "get off my back or else". Why is that?

I feel like youve misread my post completely. To the point youve deliberately misread it. You're out the town pile and into the bottom 3.

I didn't misread your post, and you're deflecting.

You quite blatantly did, and now you're doubling down rather than actually re-reading it to work out what you misunderstood. You're actually just a woof.

This game is fucking easy.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Huh. I don't like this post either.

I wonder if Xan/Delta is a possible team lol

Reading up more I don't think this is likely but it is concerning that they shade each other so hard but never keep their votes on each other.

Feels weird but probably not real I'm just over thinking it.

You’re in discord servers with them. How much of the early stuff do you think is teasing?

A lot. But the latter stuff around which I made this read is not

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Hello everyone, my name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a turtle

hi wilgy!! nice to see you again o/

You too my friend!

I haven't read anything, may I sheep you?

You may only turtle.

Okay, but saying "Can I turtle you?" sounds dirty.

Sometimes dirty is better.

I think you meant all the time

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Cool okay, showtime.
I’m going to warn you about something - I find it hard to find confident wolf reads early game. Falcon seems disingenuous and not working towards an actual game solve but pushing an agenda. Take that as you will.
I can tell y’all aren’t gonna like that I’m not making stronger pushed than that but I’m not gonna fake it. So take my town reads and do with them what you will.

Sounds like town to me

It's likely 10 v 2 how is falcon playing wolfy? They are drawing undue attention to themself and don't give a fuck. They are putting themself at risk of dying D1 and their response is flippant and uncaring. They aren't trying to survive.

Falcon is town lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Cool okay, showtime.
I’m going to warn you about something - I find it hard to find confident wolf reads early game. Falcon seems disingenuous and not working towards an actual game solve but pushing an agenda. Take that as you will.
I can tell y’all aren’t gonna like that I’m not making stronger pushed than that but I’m not gonna fake it. So take my town reads and do with them what you will.

I have learned the best strategy is to find a towncore first. Maybe that will help you catching scum in the long run.

The best strategy is to look for town and kill anyone who isn't

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Here we go again on my ownnnnnn

[tedxtr]

But after I thought about it she also overplayed the "have you gotten a role pm yet" by not reading the thread until people said so lol

Maybe ask me is fine but waiting for the second person is a bit much

Hmmm... possibly I don't think it's like enough to change my Tutuu read. Probs. I also just think Tutuu is just generally normal town Tutuu

what's villagery about her?

Everything lol.

Lack of care about how they come across. Tone. Purity. Meta. Cuteness.

all in red is what she thrives off of as a wolf xD

arguably maybe the first thing would be a good sign, but she's actually made a post asking to be put in a village core by delta. doesn't that suggest she cares about how she's perceived?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I have 25% of the posts in this game. Lol.

[tedxtr]

you're like the manny of syndicate, icl

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

But after I thought about it she also overplayed the "have you gotten a role pm yet" by not reading the thread until people said so lol

Maybe ask me is fine but waiting for the second person is a bit much

Hmmm... possibly I don't think it's like enough to change my Tutuu read. Probs. I also just think Tutuu is just generally normal town Tutuu

what's villagery about her?

Everything lol.

Lack of care about how they come across. Tone. Purity. Meta. Cuteness.

all in red is what she thrives off of as a wolf xD

arguably maybe the first thing would be a good sign, but she's actually made a post asking to be put in a village core by delta. doesn't that suggest she cares about how she's perceived?

I've only seen Tutuu town and I admitted this but until proven otherwise I will probably just consider Tutuu obv town when she's doing the Tutuu things I've seen normally.

I mean like I've been wrong about Tutuu a lot lately and I think I'm learning how to read them.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

you're like the manny of syndicate, icl

I must make it so nobody ever opens my iso

[Belzy]

Spoiler: show

I feel like youve misread my post completely. To the point youve deliberately misread it. You're out the town pile and into the bottom 3.

I didn't misread your post, and you're deflecting.

You quite blatantly did, and now you're doubling down rather than actually re-reading it to work out what you misunderstood. You're actually just a woof.

This game is fucking easy.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I agree, it is quite easy. You're claiming to have an amazing read on Delta, but you're half-assedly pushing there to get them off you rather than trying to wagon them.

Ive not pushed delta once. Like I said you're deliberately mis-reading to create a narrative that suits you. Ive got no interest in wagoning delta at all right now.

Sorry, but no. Your posts reek of trying to push Delta. Saying they'd want you out D1, questioning my townread of them, the way you're questioning their reads, your penumbra reeks of "I want Delta out" but you aren't doing anything about it, and instead you're just trying to push them off you, and now OMGUSing me because of the situation.

Holy fuck you're boring. Either re-read properly or just go away. Like its such a shit narrative you're trying to push its wasting my time.

Please don't call people boring. Especially not Seanzie. He is my turtle.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Huh

[Delta]

okay maybe sam should not be in the townie bin

[Delta]

rereading her stuff with falcon while putting some stock into zenon's meta on falcon
sam looks worse of her/falcon

the only issue is i dont think sam works as a partner with xan at all, especially if its 10v2
because she's openly tried to appeal to him and defend him for a good portion of today
comes across like mafia defending scummy town rather than partnered

i still think xan is scummy, and i dunno sam/xan couldve just decided to be ultra friendly wolves to one another to set up this whole idea of too paired to be paired
but weh. i think theres chances of them being a diff check

[Xanjori]

okay maybe sam should not be in the townie bin

What made you feel that?

[falcon45ca]

I don’t like falcon pushing me, disappearing when I questioned that and then writing it off as “oh you’re mafia not wasting my time.” That feels gross.

Even better they came back and dropped a naked vote on me. Doing well senor falcon is.

As tho he hasn't already expressed sus on your slot...





Why don't ya vote me? I mean, you've got no reason it would appear to town read my slot, so what's holding you back?

[Delta]

the vote is weird
and i dont like it
but i dont think it makes him mafia when i think about it

weh
@DrWilgy how would you describe your wolf meta?

I'm not very polarized imo so the differences are minor if at all. As both town/wolf I decide preemptively as to how I'll approach the game and then will only break that approach if absolutely needed.

I think a good example of how It's hard to tell, in champs, I was down for offing myself to ensure positive thread health. In that very game I think it was Samac who pointed out, 'well in this game where you were wolf, you tried to kill yourself too...'

So I get yeeted as T and as W, just a matter of maximizing my value regardless of how it happens.

Don't remind me how bad I misread you in champs big sadness

You got there eventually, and I knew you would.

When Haze was at risk, I knew I needed to go over before Haze so no worries

I have decided I will be defending Wilgy with my life this game
my flashwagon buddy will not die on me this time

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

rereading her stuff with falcon while putting some stock into zenon's meta on falcon
sam looks worse of her/falcon

the only issue is i dont think sam works as a partner with xan at all, especially if its 10v2
because she's openly tried to appeal to him and defend him for a good portion of today
comes across like mafia defending scummy town rather than partnered

i still think xan is scummy, and i dunno sam/xan couldve just decided to be ultra friendly wolves to one another to set up this whole idea of too paired to be paired
but weh. i think theres chances of them being a diff check

If Sam is wolf they've tmid Xan town in my host opinion

[Delta]

I don’t like falcon pushing me, disappearing when I questioned that and then writing it off as “oh you’re mafia not wasting my time.” That feels gross.

Even better they came back and dropped a naked vote on me. Doing well senor falcon is.

Oh fun

Let’s
[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

i think this probably solidifies the idea that sam/xan arent a viable team
and doesnt look good for sam if falcon is town

[Delta]

rereading her stuff with falcon while putting some stock into zenon's meta on falcon
sam looks worse of her/falcon

the only issue is i dont think sam works as a partner with xan at all, especially if its 10v2
because she's openly tried to appeal to him and defend him for a good portion of today
comes across like mafia defending scummy town rather than partnered

i still think xan is scummy, and i dunno sam/xan couldve just decided to be ultra friendly wolves to one another to set up this whole idea of too paired to be paired
but weh. i think theres chances of them being a diff check

If Sam is wolf they've tmid Xan town in my host opinion

yeah exactly

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I don’t like falcon pushing me, disappearing when I questioned that and then writing it off as “oh you’re mafia not wasting my time.” That feels gross.

Even better they came back and dropped a naked vote on me. Doing well senor falcon is.

As tho he hasn't already expressed sus on your slot...





Why don't ya vote me? I mean, you've got no reason it would appear to town read my slot, so what's holding you back?

It scares me how much I'm mind melding with you lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

the vote is weird
and i dont like it
but i dont think it makes him mafia when i think about it

weh
@DrWilgy how would you describe your wolf meta?

I'm not very polarized imo so the differences are minor if at all. As both town/wolf I decide preemptively as to how I'll approach the game and then will only break that approach if absolutely needed.

I think a good example of how It's hard to tell, in champs, I was down for offing myself to ensure positive thread health. In that very game I think it was Samac who pointed out, 'well in this game where you were wolf, you tried to kill yourself too...'

So I get yeeted as T and as W, just a matter of maximizing my value regardless of how it happens.

Don't remind me how bad I misread you in champs big sadness

You got there eventually, and I knew you would.

When Haze was at risk, I knew I needed to go over before Haze so no worries

I have decided I will be defending Wilgy with my life this game
my flashwagon buddy will not die on me this time

I defended Wilgy first

[Delta]

the vote is weird
and i dont like it
but i dont think it makes him mafia when i think about it

weh
@DrWilgy how would you describe your wolf meta?

I'm not very polarized imo so the differences are minor if at all. As both town/wolf I decide preemptively as to how I'll approach the game and then will only break that approach if absolutely needed.

I think a good example of how It's hard to tell, in champs, I was down for offing myself to ensure positive thread health. In that very game I think it was Samac who pointed out, 'well in this game where you were wolf, you tried to kill yourself too...'

So I get yeeted as T and as W, just a matter of maximizing my value regardless of how it happens.

Don't remind me how bad I misread you in champs big sadness

You got there eventually, and I knew you would.

When Haze was at risk, I knew I needed to go over before Haze so no worries

I have decided I will be defending Wilgy with my life this game
my flashwagon buddy will not die on me this time

I defended Wilgy first

but I got there in the end!
and thats what matters

[Xanjori]

I don’t like falcon pushing me, disappearing when I questioned that and then writing it off as “oh you’re mafia not wasting my time.” That feels gross.

Even better they came back and dropped a naked vote on me. Doing well senor falcon is.

As tho he hasn't already expressed sus on your slot...


Why don't ya vote me? I mean, you've got no reason it would appear to town read my slot, so what's holding you back?

Because Ive already got my vote where I like it?

What the fuck is this logic "Why dont you vote me?" Its like a terrible attempt at a "Got'cha!" I dunno if its a scummy thing to say or not but its bloody useless.

[falcon45ca]

@samac

do you think you could give me an overview of your reads right now please?

I’m catching back up. This will probably be the last time I’m on till tomorrow. Going to a show tonight and enjoying myself.

All I have at this point is I think your town.
PSV likely town.
Xanj feels way different than champs so I’m hoping that means town.

Zenon posts a lot but I don’t know that I have a real read on this.

I don’t like falcon pushing me, disappearing when I questioned that and then writing it off as “oh you’re mafia not wasting my time.” That feels gross.

I didn't disappear when questioned, I have things to do IRL




I'm not writing you off as "yer Maf, not wasting my time"....more like, I have shit to do during the day, and I'm not around 24/7 to engage w/ folks.





Do you have a question for me?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Do you always call anyone who decides to push you scummy? Lol.

[Xanjori]

I don’t like falcon pushing me, disappearing when I questioned that and then writing it off as “oh you’re mafia not wasting my time.” That feels gross.

Even better they came back and dropped a naked vote on me. Doing well senor falcon is.

As tho he hasn't already expressed sus on your slot...


Why don't ya vote me? I mean, you've got no reason it would appear to town read my slot, so what's holding you back?

But here lets play the fun game

Why arent you convincing anyone else to vote me?

[Delta]

Do you always call anyone who decides to push you scummy? Lol.

depends
if the person pushing him is named 'delta' then yes
otherwise it depends on the day with him :^)

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

He says as he's the maj wagon lol

[tedxtr]

I don’t like falcon pushing me, disappearing when I questioned that and then writing it off as “oh you’re mafia not wasting my time.” That feels gross.

Even better they came back and dropped a naked vote on me. Doing well senor falcon is.

As tho he hasn't already expressed sus on your slot...


Why don't ya vote me? I mean, you've got no reason it would appear to town read my slot, so what's holding you back?

But here lets play the fun game

Why arent you convincing anyone else to vote me?

to be fair, you're top wagon already lmfao

[falcon45ca]

I don’t like falcon pushing me, disappearing when I questioned that and then writing it off as “oh you’re mafia not wasting my time.” That feels gross.

Even better they came back and dropped a naked vote on me. Doing well senor falcon is.

As tho he hasn't already expressed sus on your slot...


Why don't ya vote me? I mean, you've got no reason it would appear to town read my slot, so what's holding you back?

Because Ive already got my vote where I like it?

What the fuck is this logic "Why dont you vote me?" Its like a terrible attempt at a "Got'cha!" I dunno if its a scummy thing to say or not but its bloody useless.

You are treating my slot like I'm scum, but not voting for me. Just a bunch of light shade.





Why is Sean Maf?

[Xanjori]

Do you always call anyone who decides to push you scummy? Lol.

It happens a fair bit. Due to my tone people often think its easy to scum read me. But then I press them and they either admit they got it wrong or they have to double down and out as a wolf. You'd be shocked at how often I end game because wolves think Im a viable ML but cant actually ever pull it off.

[Delta]

[VOTE: samac] aubergine

for science!

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Do you always call anyone who decides to push you scummy? Lol.

It happens a fair bit. Due to my tone people often think its easy to scum read me. But then I press them and they either admit they got it wrong or they have to double down and out as a wolf. You'd be shocked at how often I end game because wolves think Im a viable ML but cant actually ever pull it off.

Seems like a meh way to read things but I've played with others who do this so

[Xanjori]

I don’t like falcon pushing me, disappearing when I questioned that and then writing it off as “oh you’re mafia not wasting my time.” That feels gross.

Even better they came back and dropped a naked vote on me. Doing well senor falcon is.

As tho he hasn't already expressed sus on your slot...


Why don't ya vote me? I mean, you've got no reason it would appear to town read my slot, so what's holding you back?

But here lets play the fun game

Why arent you convincing anyone else to vote me?

to be fair, you're top wagon already lmfao

Yeah thats what makes his vote look worse. He literally found a top wagon, made no push, hasnt made a single argument to convince someone else. He just dropped his vote and walked off. If I flip today he will then go "But everyone else was scum reading Xan too! Not my fault!"