Solar System Mafia [END]

[Ricochet]

Betelgeuse shines dark purple tonight. I’m down with a lemon chop at this point, the plan2read-placehold vote sequence and reaction tone for one, which is not ideal town mindset to get heat on, and they seem to challenge all major town reads, but I don’t get much clarity or strong counterpoint from it.

[VOTE: Richochet] aubergine

Yet another rise out of being sussed. Peculiar.

[VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine

No issue with challenging, but it was solely that, at the end of an announced read up, no alternative townleans* (up until the most recent post you made), and it was not convincing or strong-minded of a read in my view.

[Lemonfairy]

hmmm I think I'm just going to ignore Rondo for now

I believe I am employing this strategy as well.

Why?

I don't know them at all and have no clue how to interpret their rather chaotic playstyle. Best to just put it on the back burner for now imo
This is my personal opinion. I'm not saying everyone should ignore them. I just don't know how to treat that slot.

my reason was because although I think they can still be scum, what they've been doing probably is good for the threadstate
and if they are scum, I think the route they're trying to go is more on the power-wolf side (because why else would you try to grab this much attention) so everything will become more apparent with time

I'm also trying to hold back the read until I get some sort of meta confirmation from someone who's more familiar with Rondo, which can then support/break my reasons for being concerned there

finally, I think any sort of engagement I can make with them right now would be useless because it looks like they're convinced to wolfread me no matter what and I don't care to answer to posts that are just shade like "lemon is outed scum" and "nice rule of 3"

[fingersplints]

Trying to get the kids fed/sleeping and working through the thread

[Lemonfairy]

Betelgeuse shines dark purple tonight. I’m down with a lemon chop at this point, the plan2read-placehold vote sequence and reaction tone for one, which is not ideal town mindset to get heat on, and they seem to challenge all major town reads, but I don’t get much clarity or strong counterpoint from it.

[VOTE: Richochet] aubergine

Yet another rise out of being sussed. Peculiar.

[VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine

No issue with challenging, but it was solely that, at the end of an announced read up, no alternative townleans* (up until the most recent post you made), and it was not convincing or strong-minded of a read in my view.

it wasn't so much that you suspected me, but more your reason for it (which I did explain)

if you had no issue with me challenging the "major townreads", why did you bring it up?

[fingersplints]

@fingersplints why are you not paired with Roxy / Thunal / Lemon? If you could present your arguments with a song accompinant for Roxy's benefit that would be appreciated.

I haven’t gotten into the game yet, so don’t have any tangible proof as to me not being paired with anyone based on thread actions. I know I’m not and hope to prove it to you.

If you have any reasons you think I am paired with any of them in particular, you can bring it to my attention. I’m more than happy to discuss now that I am home.

@Roxy

[fingersplints]

hmmm I think I'm just going to ignore Rondo for now

I believe I am employing this strategy as well.

Why?

I don't know them at all and have no clue how to interpret their rather chaotic playstyle. Best to just put it on the back burner for now imo
This is my personal opinion. I'm not saying everyone should ignore them. I just don't know how to treat that slot.

my reason was because although I think they can still be scum, what they've been doing probably is good for the threadstate
and if they are scum, I think the route they're trying to go is more on the power-wolf side (because why else would you try to grab this much attention) so everything will become more apparent with time

I'm also trying to hold back the read until I get some sort of meta confirmation from someone who's more familiar with Rondo, which can then support/break my reasons for being concerned there

finally, I think any sort of engagement I can make with them right now would be useless because it looks like they're convinced to wolfread me no matter what and I don't care to answer to posts that are just shade like "lemon is outed scum" and "nice rule of 3"

This is pretty normal behaviour for rondo

[Lemonfairy]

Thundal/Rondo not w/w
Thundal/Epi not w/w
Rondo/Ricochet not w/w (actually, maybe not... maybe again P#179 Tundal/Rondo both voting Ricochet)
falcon/Thundal not w/w
(Rondo voting falcon right after falcon voted Thundal lowkey makes me think Rondo/Thundal are paired, it's hard to unsee)
Rondo/Porscha not w/w (I feel like P#102 Porscha's response to Rondo was reasonable while P#103 from Rondo felt like it was overplayed and a bit stilted)
P#104 I still don't like this... I think I said it already but idc I'm saying it again and then put it together with P#106, which idk, is a bit of an awkward backpedal
P#109 talking about slankwolves because who's easier to push than slankers? (I realize this point could be slightly biased because on its own, it could also be bringing attention to UTR slots but idk, it feels too early for this to be a huge concern and felt like quite and abrupt switch from the OMGUS backtrack post so I had the sense Rondo was uncomfortable and shifting attention elsewhere)

and now I have convinced myself that Rondo is scum again lol

PSV still town probably
Neon still fine
I think I can find Roxy if they're town (hopefully)

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

[Lemonfairy]

hmmm I think I'm just going to ignore Rondo for now

I believe I am employing this strategy as well.

Why?

I don't know them at all and have no clue how to interpret their rather chaotic playstyle. Best to just put it on the back burner for now imo
This is my personal opinion. I'm not saying everyone should ignore them. I just don't know how to treat that slot.

my reason was because although I think they can still be scum, what they've been doing probably is good for the threadstate
and if they are scum, I think the route they're trying to go is more on the power-wolf side (because why else would you try to grab this much attention) so everything will become more apparent with time

I'm also trying to hold back the read until I get some sort of meta confirmation from someone who's more familiar with Rondo, which can then support/break my reasons for being concerned there

finally, I think any sort of engagement I can make with them right now would be useless because it looks like they're convinced to wolfread me no matter what and I don't care to answer to posts that are just shade like "lemon is outed scum" and "nice rule of 3"

This is pretty normal behaviour for rondo

thanks for your input
can you read the post I just posted and lmk your thoughts?

[Roxy]

Forgot about this game so sorry @JaggedJimmyJay I apologize to you. <3

Catching up

Until something changes, I'm comfortable with my Roxy vote.

oh c'mon. Out of most of the players here you know me better. You should be very uncomfortable with your vote as it lacks *any* proof or decent reasoning. Certainly nothing I can defend against which I believe is your point.

I tl Epi's Roxy push. I think a townie would be a little more likely to make a meta observation that early.

I would not as using meta against me will usually lead to a wrong conclusion as I try to change my game style with each game I play whether town or bad.

[Roxy]

Ricochet is mafia too.

I just looked through his ISO and thought the same thing. Him dropping the Zenon questioning felt like he wasn't actually interested in knowing the answer, and his reaction to Rondo's vote felt a bit deflecty. What are your reasons?

Experience, really. I think he's hiding behind his cleverness to ease through Day 1.

I'm not really sure what you see as his cleverness.

I've known Rico longer than anyone here. I smile at things he writes even if no one else does. He's quite smart and writes well. I think he's hiding behind all that.

- I have had some back and forth with
@Thunal33
@Zenon

- One of these max? is a wolf
@fingersplints
@Lemonfairy
@potentialsheltervet

- I didnt like the entrance of
@Roxy


PS I think is my next vote seeing as they feel frozen to me.

So we have Roxy + PS + Thunal/Zenon

gg

Today's rise, transit and set time of the Sun (all times relative to the local timezone Europe London)

RISE 4:54 Azimuth: 69.0°
TRANSIT 12:55 Max altitude: 59.6°
SET 20:57 Azimuth: 291.1°

Rondo, Epi and Thunal have posted and pushed stuff the most, I could place them in whatever amounts to a "pass" / "not voting today" / "townlean" range. Thunal on immediate vibes comes off doing fair and proper reads. Rondo has some beef with Zenon and Porscha that I can't wrap my head around rn (as in I'm trying to read the words and arguments in their written sequence and fail to -- maybe a morning / coffee thing). Some of Epig's lines a bit to clean (pep talk about town being active, wow revolutionary / that post about not judging anyone for vote tag goofs, whilst nobody was doing or intending to do that / the "me and Roxy and Rico go way back" meta angle), but consistent with having just half an hour to go through things, finding leads and doing just that.

Roxy could indeed slank or gimmick as wolf - IIRC there was even a recent game in which she "conceded" by posting just music videos until she got lynched as wolf - but it's not a full lock that she would actively pull a Dolby or Schiavetto on us, I think in general she would play fair and as active as possible.

No bearing on anyone else atm

wrt what was raised on me:
- I ain't no clever anything. D1s I'm either a clown (i.e. don't play properly) or a headless chicken D1 with anxiety about getting a lead on anything (i.e. play properly, against the doctor's advice)
- Questioning Zenon was halted after they said they referred just to Rondo's act, whilst I thought they meant the whole gamestate

That's all I could gather at this breakfast hour. Be back later throughout the day.

I mean technically if wolves don't kill me (which they're going to) I have already won the game because I have figured out a towncore

Do you always act so “I’m supatown” and “I solved the game” and “wolves gonna merk me first”?

Thunal if one wolf is a low poster and a another one is a high poster who are the wolves?

Same question for both low posters and both high posters


Anyone can answer

I townlean all the top 4 posters, and my order of confidence in those is me > Rondo > Zenon > Epi. Falcon is null on content but I think his sheep vote is unpaired with Lemon.
low/high: Falcon/Ricochet or Epi/Lemonfairy
low/low: Lemonfairy/Ricochet
high/high: Epi/Falcon
Roxy or Splints are null and could be in most of those teams except Roxy is unpaired with Epi.

@fingersplints why are you not paired with Roxy / Thunal / Lemon? If you could present your arguments with a song accompinant for Roxy's benefit that would be appreciated.

I haven’t gotten into the game yet, so don’t have any tangible proof as to me not being paired with anyone based on thread actions. I know I’m not and hope to prove it to you.

If you have any reasons you think I am paired with any of them in particular, you can bring it to my attention. I’m more than happy to discuss now that I am home.

@Roxy

[Ricochet]

Betelgeuse shines dark purple tonight. I’m down with a lemon chop at this point, the plan2read-placehold vote sequence and reaction tone for one, which is not ideal town mindset to get heat on, and they seem to challenge all major town reads, but I don’t get much clarity or strong counterpoint from it.

[VOTE: Richochet] aubergine

Yet another rise out of being sussed. Peculiar.

[VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine

No issue with challenging, but it was solely that, at the end of an announced read up, no alternative townleans* (up until the most recent post you made), and it was not convincing or strong-minded of a read in my view.

it wasn't so much that you suspected me, but more your reason for it (which I did explain)

if you had no issue with me challenging the "major townreads", why did you bring it up?

Clarified one reply earlier that it was for solely shooting them all down, probably should have written it clearer in the original post, now that I reread it.

[Ricochet]

Thundal/Rondo not w/w
Thundal/Epi not w/w
Rondo/Ricochet not w/w (actually, maybe not... maybe again P#179 Tundal/Rondo both voting Ricochet)
falcon/Thundal not w/w
(Rondo voting falcon right after falcon voted Thundal lowkey makes me think Rondo/Thundal are paired, it's hard to unsee)
Rondo/Porscha not w/w (I feel like P#102 Porscha's response to Rondo was reasonable while P#103 from Rondo felt like it was overplayed and a bit stilted)
P#104 I still don't like this... I think I said it already but idc I'm saying it again and then put it together with P#106, which idk, is a bit of an awkward backpedal
P#109 talking about slankwolves because who's easier to push than slankers? (I realize this point could be slightly biased because on its own, it could also be bringing attention to UTR slots but idk, it feels too early for this to be a huge concern and felt like quite and abrupt switch from the OMGUS backtrack post so I had the sense Rondo was uncomfortable and shifting attention elsewhere)

and now I have convinced myself that Rondo is scum again lol

PSV still town probably
Neon still fine
I think I can find Roxy if they're town (hopefully)

On the two points raised about certain voting syncs, I’d find it very early phase for both wolves to do that. Or would need info on this being common from them. Not indicative, would say, or at least not until a flip or two.

[Lemonfairy]

I also have some posts that make me doubt the Rondo scumread, which I will share for transparency
P#226 I don't really think scum would be that transparent in who they're planning to push + the tone shows Rondo wasn't planning to move beyond the names they posted here
P#209 do still agree with how Rondo listing scumreads in 3s could be a townslip from forgetting that there are only 2 mafia
it's fairly easy to fake though so idk

[Lemonfairy]

Betelgeuse shines dark purple tonight. I’m down with a lemon chop at this point, the plan2read-placehold vote sequence and reaction tone for one, which is not ideal town mindset to get heat on, and they seem to challenge all major town reads, but I don’t get much clarity or strong counterpoint from it.

[VOTE: Richochet] aubergine

Yet another rise out of being sussed. Peculiar.

[VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine

No issue with challenging, but it was solely that, at the end of an announced read up, no alternative townleans* (up until the most recent post you made), and it was not convincing or strong-minded of a read in my view.

it wasn't so much that you suspected me, but more your reason for it (which I did explain)

if you had no issue with me challenging the "major townreads", why did you bring it up?

Clarified one reply earlier that it was for solely shooting them all down, probably should have written it clearer in the original post, now that I reread it.

hmmmm ig that's fair enough
I'm open to other people's reads but I haven't been convinced of their townreads (tbh, there just hasn't been a lot of explanation in general) as you have not been convinced of my scumreads on them

[Roxy]

I hit submit before I could put my responses in - sorry everyone

Ricochet is mafia too.

I just looked through his ISO and thought the same thing. Him dropping the Zenon questioning felt like he wasn't actually interested in knowing the answer, and his reaction to Rondo's vote felt a bit deflecty. What are your reasons?

Experience, really. I think he's hiding behind his cleverness to ease through Day 1.

I'm not really sure what you see as his cleverness.

I've known Rico longer than anyone here. I smile at things he writes even if no one else does. He's quite smart and writes well. I think he's hiding behind all that.

Not quite longer than anyone else as splints and I have known him just as long. Not that it matters but I disagree with your take on his game state thus far.

- I have had some back and forth with
@Thunal33
@Zenon

- One of these max? is a wolf
@fingersplints
@Lemonfairy
@potentialsheltervet

- I didnt like the entrance of
@Roxy


PS I think is my next vote seeing as they feel frozen to me.

So we have Roxy + PS + Thunal/Zenon

gg

So far in the games where you name people on D 1 that you think are the baddie team they are all usually town as far as I can remember from our recent history. So you will forgive me when I disagree with you. Also pointing out there are only 2 baddies.

Today's rise, transit and set time of the Sun (all times relative to the local timezone Europe London)

RISE 4:54 Azimuth: 69.0°
TRANSIT 12:55 Max altitude: 59.6°
SET 20:57 Azimuth: 291.1°

Rondo, Epi and Thunal have posted and pushed stuff the most, I could place them in whatever amounts to a "pass" / "not voting today" / "townlean" range. Thunal on immediate vibes comes off doing fair and proper reads. Rondo has some beef with Zenon and Porscha that I can't wrap my head around rn (as in I'm trying to read the words and arguments in their written sequence and fail to -- maybe a morning / coffee thing). Some of Epig's lines a bit to clean (pep talk about town being active, wow revolutionary / that post about not judging anyone for vote tag goofs, whilst nobody was doing or intending to do that / the "me and Roxy and Rico go way back" meta angle), but consistent with having just half an hour to go through things, finding leads and doing just that.

Roxy could indeed slank or gimmick as wolf - IIRC there was even a recent game in which she "conceded" by posting just music videos until she got lynched as wolf - but it's not a full lock that she would actively pull a Dolby or Schiavetto on us, I think in general she would play fair and as active as possible.

No bearing on anyone else atm

wrt what was raised on me:
- I ain't no clever anything. D1s I'm either a clown (i.e. don't play properly) or a headless chicken D1 with anxiety about getting a lead on anything (i.e. play properly, against the doctor's advice)
- Questioning Zenon was halted after they said they referred just to Rondo's act, whilst I thought they meant the whole gamestate

That's all I could gather at this breakfast hour. Be back later throughout the day.

Your memory of L G & M is right on target. My baddie teammate outed themselves leaving me in a threadstate of zero hope, they also refused to even help in the thread instead they self outed and ruined any chance of winning even after they self outed. Bad game play is bad game play so instead of bitching about it I posted music until the end. Using music as answers and having a ton of fun during my elim.

I mean technically if wolves don't kill me (which they're going to) I have already won the game because I have figured out a towncore

Do you always act so “I’m supatown” and “I solved the game” and “wolves gonna merk me first”?

Rondo always does this and he usually is so far never an IC he only labels himself that. His reads are as good as yours or mine but they are his own just like my reads are mine. Ya digz?

Thunal if one wolf is a low poster and a another one is a high poster who are the wolves?

Same question for both low posters and both high posters


Anyone can answer

I townlean all the top 4 posters, and my order of confidence in those is me > Rondo > Zenon > Epi. Falcon is null on content but I think his sheep vote is unpaired with Lemon.
low/high: Falcon/Ricochet or Epi/Lemonfairy
low/low: Lemonfairy/Ricochet
high/high: Epi/Falcon
Roxy or Splints are null and could be in most of those teams except Roxy is unpaired with Epi.

You are clearing all high posters? I do not likey. But that is just me. I will only ask that you keep an open mind that likely one is bad.

@fingersplints why are you not paired with Roxy / Thunal / Lemon? If you could present your arguments with a song accompinant for Roxy's benefit that would be appreciated.

I haven’t gotten into the game yet, so don’t have any tangible proof as to me not being paired with anyone based on thread actions. I know I’m not and hope to prove it to you.

If you have any reasons you think I am paired with any of them in particular, you can bring it to my attention. I’m more than happy to discuss now that I am home.

@Roxy

@RondoDimBuckle imho I think it is far too early to be looking for teams. At least wait until after the first elim there cowboy.


@fingersplints

[Lemonfairy]

Thundal/Rondo not w/w
Thundal/Epi not w/w
Rondo/Ricochet not w/w (actually, maybe not... maybe again P#179 Tundal/Rondo both voting Ricochet)
falcon/Thundal not w/w
(Rondo voting falcon right after falcon voted Thundal lowkey makes me think Rondo/Thundal are paired, it's hard to unsee)
Rondo/Porscha not w/w (I feel like P#102 Porscha's response to Rondo was reasonable while P#103 from Rondo felt like it was overplayed and a bit stilted)
P#104 I still don't like this... I think I said it already but idc I'm saying it again and then put it together with P#106, which idk, is a bit of an awkward backpedal
P#109 talking about slankwolves because who's easier to push than slankers? (I realize this point could be slightly biased because on its own, it could also be bringing attention to UTR slots but idk, it feels too early for this to be a huge concern and felt like quite and abrupt switch from the OMGUS backtrack post so I had the sense Rondo was uncomfortable and shifting attention elsewhere)

and now I have convinced myself that Rondo is scum again lol

PSV still town probably
Neon still fine
I think I can find Roxy if they're town (hopefully)

On the two points raised about certain voting syncs, I’d find it very early phase for both wolves to do that. Or would need info on this being common from them. Not indicative, would say, or at least not until a flip or two.

well, it's there either way
what are your thoughts on the rest?

[Ricochet]

Thundal/Rondo not w/w
Thundal/Epi not w/w
Rondo/Ricochet not w/w (actually, maybe not... maybe again P#179 Tundal/Rondo both voting Ricochet)
falcon/Thundal not w/w
(Rondo voting falcon right after falcon voted Thundal lowkey makes me think Rondo/Thundal are paired, it's hard to unsee)
Rondo/Porscha not w/w (I feel like P#102 Porscha's response to Rondo was reasonable while P#103 from Rondo felt like it was overplayed and a bit stilted)
P#104 I still don't like this... I think I said it already but idc I'm saying it again and then put it together with P#106, which idk, is a bit of an awkward backpedal
P#109 talking about slankwolves because who's easier to push than slankers? (I realize this point could be slightly biased because on its own, it could also be bringing attention to UTR slots but idk, it feels too early for this to be a huge concern and felt like quite and abrupt switch from the OMGUS backtrack post so I had the sense Rondo was uncomfortable and shifting attention elsewhere)

and now I have convinced myself that Rondo is scum again lol

PSV still town probably
Neon still fine
I think I can find Roxy if they're town (hopefully)

On the two points raised about certain voting syncs, I’d find it very early phase for both wolves to do that. Or would need info on this being common from them. Not indicative, would say, or at least not until a flip or two.

well, it's there either way
what are your thoughts on the rest?

Not a w/w projection-maker by default, so I haven't looked into that perspective, at least not for this phase.
The only "not w/w" I can project is in fact you and Rondo, not with the 2-wolf format at least, since you'd both be flying too close to the sun with the votes received by each in the current state of game.

IIRC slanker-angle on Roxy was initiated by Epig, not an initial Rondo push?

[Thunal33]

Thunal P#154 I thought was weird
felt like it could be TMI on Epi being town because Epi's push on Roxy was because Roxy hadn't posted much/posts didn't have game-related content and simplifying it to "they made a meta read so town" doesn't make sense

I actually had Rondo/Thunal/Epi before but I took Epi out for this reason

also noticed Thunal's P#209 commenting on Rondo's potential townslip (for having 3 scumreads rather than 2, which I agree with) and yeah, it made me hesitate on Thunal/Rondo but then Rondo acted like I was outed wolf for no reason so that probably had some influence in pulling me back to a Rondo scumread

I do think it's way too early to call someone outed, but imo Rondo's engagement, towny observations, and that townslip outweigh him calling you outed in my mind. As far as #154, I thought that observation was something a townie would be a little more likely to think of at the time - trying to read someone Epi was previously teammates with and making a meta observation about Roxy's entrance.

another point on Thunal P#165 (yes, I figured out the link now)
response to question of why Thunal disagreed with 2 of Roxy/Thunal/Zenon
there's no explanation of Zenon and it's just a self-meta of Thunal themselves saying why they are towny

I specifically asked Rondo to explain his read on me, and he asked why I disagreed so he was pretty much asking me to explain why I'm town. I explained my Zenon townread elsewhere.

[Thunal33]

PSV probably town
I kind of like Porscha
idk about falcon
Zenon is fine no pings there

Can you expand on these reads?

[Thunal33]

I still am not feeling good about Lemonfairy. A lot of her posting is about moving her read on Rondo back and forth and focusing on Rondo. It's similar to what w!Katze did to me during the season 8 finale, she entered d2 scumreading me hard then made a lot of posts going back and forth with the read from null to scum.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I use meta a lot so it feels odd to play a game without meta on most of the playerlist. I'll try to read up on some games when I have time.

Here's my meta. If I defend a wolf D1 I'm town

If I kill a wolf D1 I'm bussing.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

- I have had some back and forth with
@Thunal33
@Zenon

- One of these max? is a wolf
@fingersplints
@Lemonfairy
@potentialsheltervet

- I didnt like the entrance of
@Roxy


PS I think is my next vote seeing as they feel frozen to me.

So we have Roxy + PS + Thunal/Zenon

gg

How are your reads this wrong?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

too bad I am never wolf unless I am and if I am wolf its not like you would catch me off an entrance like that.

Feeling caught for the wrong reasons be like

[Thunal33]

Ricochet is mafia too.

I just looked through his ISO and thought the same thing. Him dropping the Zenon questioning felt like he wasn't actually interested in knowing the answer, and his reaction to Rondo's vote felt a bit deflecty. What are your reasons?

Experience, really. I think he's hiding behind his cleverness to ease through Day 1.

I'm not really sure what you see as his cleverness.

I've known Rico longer than anyone here. I smile at things he writes even if no one else does. He's quite smart and writes well. I think he's hiding behind all that.

- I have had some back and forth with
@Thunal33
@Zenon

- One of these max? is a wolf
@fingersplints
@Lemonfairy
@potentialsheltervet

- I didnt like the entrance of
@Roxy


PS I think is my next vote seeing as they feel frozen to me.

So we have Roxy + PS + Thunal/Zenon

gg

Today's rise, transit and set time of the Sun (all times relative to the local timezone Europe London)

RISE 4:54 Azimuth: 69.0°
TRANSIT 12:55 Max altitude: 59.6°
SET 20:57 Azimuth: 291.1°

Rondo, Epi and Thunal have posted and pushed stuff the most, I could place them in whatever amounts to a "pass" / "not voting today" / "townlean" range. Thunal on immediate vibes comes off doing fair and proper reads. Rondo has some beef with Zenon and Porscha that I can't wrap my head around rn (as in I'm trying to read the words and arguments in their written sequence and fail to -- maybe a morning / coffee thing). Some of Epig's lines a bit to clean (pep talk about town being active, wow revolutionary / that post about not judging anyone for vote tag goofs, whilst nobody was doing or intending to do that / the "me and Roxy and Rico go way back" meta angle), but consistent with having just half an hour to go through things, finding leads and doing just that.

Roxy could indeed slank or gimmick as wolf - IIRC there was even a recent game in which she "conceded" by posting just music videos until she got lynched as wolf - but it's not a full lock that she would actively pull a Dolby or Schiavetto on us, I think in general she would play fair and as active as possible.

No bearing on anyone else atm

wrt what was raised on me:
- I ain't no clever anything. D1s I'm either a clown (i.e. don't play properly) or a headless chicken D1 with anxiety about getting a lead on anything (i.e. play properly, against the doctor's advice)
- Questioning Zenon was halted after they said they referred just to Rondo's act, whilst I thought they meant the whole gamestate

That's all I could gather at this breakfast hour. Be back later throughout the day.

I mean technically if wolves don't kill me (which they're going to) I have already won the game because I have figured out a towncore

Do you always act so “I’m supatown” and “I solved the game” and “wolves gonna merk me first”?

Thunal if one wolf is a low poster and a another one is a high poster who are the wolves?

Same question for both low posters and both high posters


Anyone can answer

I townlean all the top 4 posters, and my order of confidence in those is me > Rondo > Zenon > Epi. Falcon is null on content but I think his sheep vote is unpaired with Lemon.
low/high: Falcon/Ricochet or Epi/Lemonfairy
low/low: Lemonfairy/Ricochet
high/high: Epi/Falcon
Roxy or Splints are null and could be in most of those teams except Roxy is unpaired with Epi.

@fingersplints why are you not paired with Roxy / Thunal / Lemon? If you could present your arguments with a song accompinant for Roxy's benefit that would be appreciated.

I haven’t gotten into the game yet, so don’t have any tangible proof as to me not being paired with anyone based on thread actions. I know I’m not and hope to prove it to you.

If you have any reasons you think I am paired with any of them in particular, you can bring it to my attention. I’m more than happy to discuss now that I am home.

@Roxy

I think if I'm wrong on a high poster it's Epi. I thought him making an early meta observation was decent in a vacuum, but if he knows you well he probably knows you change your play to avoid being meta read and so it feels a bit of a surface-level read for a player like you.

[Thunal33]

I use meta a lot so it feels odd to play a game without meta on most of the playerlist. I'll try to read up on some games when I have time.

Here's my meta. If I defend a wolf D1 I'm town

If I kill a wolf D1 I'm bussing.

Hi Zenon! Lol, I already know enough of your meta.

[Thunal33]

Looks like I'm the only one here. There's a lot of new faces for me so if everyone I don't know could tell me a brief description of who they are as a player and their playstyle that would be great.

I'd rather tell you how I would prefer other people play.

Since I am a civilian, I would like civilians to engage early and often, even if you are wrong. The quickest way to a civilian loss is silence.

As of now I have Thunal also as a civilian.

Reading this again I don't think Epi making a surface level read on Roxy is necessarily bad even if he knows Roxy changes her meta since it could just be him wanting to engage with *something* so he can engage early and often.

[Porscha]

I also have some posts that make me doubt the Rondo scumread, which I will share for transparency
P#226 I don't really think scum would be that transparent in who they're planning to push + the tone shows Rondo wasn't planning to move beyond the names they posted here
P#209 do still agree with how Rondo listing scumreads in 3s could be a townslip from forgetting that there are only 2 mafia
it's fairly easy to fake though so idk

I think rondo is town

[Porscha]

@RondoDimBuckle I dont really wanna vote lemon today

May I offer you zenon instead

[Ricochet]

@RondoDimBuckle I dont really wanna vote lemon today

May I offer you zenon instead

Why and why.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@zenon pls come save me

Why me you think I'm wolf and I am just giving confused and annoyed lol

[Porscha]

Too tired to attempt to make any explanation passed:

Feel like lemon townier than zenon

Didnt feel like zenon was very towny from get go, she give me beeg pocket

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@zenon pls come save me

Oh BTW Rondo is town just wrong so like that's a thing.

Maybe not wrong on everything though. I'll figure that out. Kinda agree Lemon looks bad at this point in my catch up.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'll move my vote when I fully catch up

[Porscha]

@zenon pls come save me

Why me you think I'm wolf and I am just giving confused and annoyed lol

Lol I mean yeah I could be wrong I guess idk

[Porscha]

I wait for zenon to catch up maybe I am conf biased by names I've seen in my catch up

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

don't have much of an impression of everyone else but I feel ok on some of them for now
and by that I mean I probably need more time to get a read on them

Thunal/Rondo/Epi standing out to me as scummy and them also being the highest posters kind of worries me that I'm off
I don't really think both scum would be highposting
hopefully with more people posting, I'll have a better feel of thread

Think this solve is 0 for 3

[Porscha]

- I have had some back and forth with
@Thunal33
@Zenon

- One of these max? is a wolf
@fingersplints
@Lemonfairy
@potentialsheltervet

- I didnt like the entrance of
@Roxy


PS I think is my next vote seeing as they feel frozen to me.

So we have Roxy + PS + Thunal/Zenon

gg

How are your reads this wrong?

Zenon this is weird post pls elaborate

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

PSV probably town
I kind of like Porscha
idk about falcon
Zenon is fine no pings there

Explain PSV

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Betelgeuse shines dark purple tonight. I’m down with a lemon chop at this point, the plan2read-placehold vote sequence and reaction tone for one, which is not ideal town mindset to get heat on, and they seem to challenge all major town reads, but I don’t get much clarity or strong counterpoint from it.

[VOTE: Richochet] aubergine

Yet another rise out of being sussed. Peculiar.

[VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine

No issue with challenging, but it was solely that, at the end of an announced read up, no alternative townleans* (up until the most recent post you made), and it was not convincing or strong-minded of a read in my view.

it wasn't so much that you suspected me, but more your reason for it (which I did explain)

if you had no issue with me challenging the "major townreads", why did you bring it up?

This is town lemon.

Yes I know. But trust me it is.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I use meta a lot so it feels odd to play a game without meta on most of the playerlist. I'll try to read up on some games when I have time.

Here's my meta. If I defend a wolf D1 I'm town

If I kill a wolf D1 I'm bussing.

Hi Zenon! Lol, I already know enough of your meta.

Fantastic so you know I suck

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@RondoDimBuckle I dont really wanna vote lemon today

May I offer you zenon instead

This is wrong but also town for Porscha for a really dumb reason.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

- I have had some back and forth with
@Thunal33
@Zenon

- One of these max? is a wolf
@fingersplints
@Lemonfairy
@potentialsheltervet

- I didnt like the entrance of
@Roxy


PS I think is my next vote seeing as they feel frozen to me.

So we have Roxy + PS + Thunal/Zenon

gg

How are your reads this wrong?

Zenon this is weird post pls elaborate

Why is it weird.

The only part I agree with is this.

- One of these max? is a wolf
@fingersplints
@Lemonfairy
@potentialsheltervet

And I think it's FS fwiw

I think this solve So we have Roxy + PS + Thunal/Zenon

Contains 0 wolfs. At least at this point.


I've not fully organized my thoughts.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Caught up

[VOTE: Splints] aubergine

[Ricochet]

Meteor shower of Zenon reads. Can you expand what's the tell on lemon, the vibe on porscha and the ping on Splints?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Town

Lemonfairy
Porscha
RondoDimBuckle
Zenon

Maybe Town

Epignosis
falcon45ca
potentialsheltervet
Ricochet
Roxy
Thunal33

I ain't seen the towny

fingersplints


Meh this sucks.

[Thunal33]

To expand on Lemon, I thought her giving Rondo the benefit of the doubt with some of her scumreads on him being a playstyle thing was decent but then she went back and forth on Rondo a lot in a way that felt like wolfy fixating on him.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Meteor shower of Zenon reads. Can you expand what's the tell on lemon, the vibe on porscha and the ping on Splints?

Lemon as town lives in omgus and bases the entirety of her play around how she perceives treatment of her slot and pushes on her. She knows she's lhf and that wolfs will abuse that and she hyperfocuses on "omgus" to find wolfs but really she's just using lessons about how wolfs treated her in the past to find the wolfs pushing lhf Lemon when she knows she's town

I hard pushed her for it a few times before realizing that it's towny for her and generally accurate in that wolfs will usually push her.



Wolf Lemon you'd think could easily fake this. I... don't remember if I've ever seen wolf Lemon in person though.

[Thunal33]

Town

Lemonfairy
Porscha
RondoDimBuckle
Zenon

Maybe Town

Epignosis
falcon45ca
potentialsheltervet
Ricochet
Roxy
Thunal33

I ain't seen the towny

fingersplints


Meh this sucks.

This readslist is really easy. Did you see any scum pings in your "maybe town" pile?

[Thunal33]

Meteor shower of Zenon reads. Can you expand what's the tell on lemon, the vibe on porscha and the ping on Splints?

Lemon as town lives in omgus and bases the entirety of her play around how she perceives treatment of her slot and pushes on her. She knows she's lhf and that wolfs will abuse that and she hyperfocuses on "omgus" to find wolfs but really she's just using lessons about how wolfs treated her in the past to find the wolfs pushing lhf Lemon when she knows she's town

I hard pushed her for it a few times before realizing that it's towny for her and generally accurate in that wolfs will usually push her.



Wolf Lemon you'd think could easily fake this. I... don't remember if I've ever seen wolf Lemon in person though.

This is pretty good info actually, considering part of my wolfread on Lemon was her OMGUS. I'll take this into consideration and check it.