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[potentialsheltervet]

Re: the SDNers seeing each other as town compulsively, that is incorrect. We don't do that. But we do have a pretty small community and read each other semi-okay ish and tend to have the same 10-12 people playing over and over again, so you get really familiar with people's play. Bamboozled? Oh, yeah. It happens. But I wouldn't say we're confbiasing each other town.

[tutuu]

Why not

Because recently, NKing AM on SDN is... I don't want to phrase it poorly but it's being seen as something of a dick move. She gets killed early all the fucking time and she's expressed frustration with it.
Zenge wouldn't stand for being part of a team that kills her night one. No chance, no way. It's just not happening.

Why do you assume AM was the nk to clear someone?

I see 3 people dead

I specifically stated Zenge is clear from being the faction that killed her, whoever that was.

reeeeally though? this is a dangerous read.

IS that because you don't trust the logic that zenge would never accept an AM NK

or

Because you aren't convinced AM was the NK?

The former.

Especially when killing AM might be optimal for the rest of your team.

If it advantages you why wouldn't you do it?

Imagine the entire wolf team wanted AM dead and Zenge is just there pouting like "nope not doing it I'm boss". Unlikely.

Moreover making reads predicated on "so and so would never" when the thing is canon literally gives that person 1 free win for doing that whenever they so please.

I don't think Zenge is mafia. I think it's a bogus reason to townread Zenge though.

to be fair mac even us here on the syndicate used to do that, years ago

i remember my first game. me, alison and hally - all of us joined at the same time, at the same game

hally was the n1 kill

a lot of syndicators got cleared because "we would never kill a newcomer n1 on their first game, ever, that would be pretty rude"

[Lawpy]

Hey everyone, I’m Lawpy and i’m currently in the midst of catching up

Also Neons did i play with you before elsewhere? I don’t know if you’re the same Neons i played with when i subbed into Fext’s game

Where was the game?

Over at zelda forums iirc

Yep that was me

Oho! Pleased!

[MacDougall]

I feel like there’s a lot of resistance to zenges push on falcons

Santy at least is approaching from a pretty strongly village trajectory by highlighting the need to reassess in the event Zenges is wrong and looking for other wolves that don’t depend primarily on falcons being a wolf

Santy is probably a wolf because Santy is being sanctimonious and belabouring all the stuff he can that is "town 101" when as town he leaves all that shit behind and just goes ham on reads. Net outcome is town Santy gets heavily sussed and wolf Santy gets heavily townread.

Someday you'll learn to read me correctly.

Today is still not that day

Posts like this don't help.

[santygrass]

I feel like there’s a lot of resistance to zenges push on falcons

Santy at least is approaching from a pretty strongly village trajectory by highlighting the need to reassess in the event Zenges is wrong and looking for other wolves that don’t depend primarily on falcons being a wolf

Santy is probably a wolf because Santy is being sanctimonious and belabouring all the stuff he can that is "town 101" when as town he leaves all that shit behind and just goes ham on reads. Net outcome is town Santy gets heavily sussed and wolf Santy gets heavily townread.

Someday you'll learn to read me correctly.

Today is still not that day

Posts like this don't help.

I know but I still do them anyways because I know I'm right

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Why is @Neon voting Dennis?

Because I scum read Dennis presumably

[Lawpy]

One thing I worry about is that the SDN players seem to more compulsively townread each other which is causing an overemphasis on Syndicators who don't do that. Yesterday and today all viable wagons have been Syndicators. SDNers are over emphasising on Syndicators and Syndicators are ignoring SDNers due to no SDNers having strong pushes onto other SDNers.

SDNers need to make more effort to find the wolves in the other SDNers or wolf SDNers are gonna skate.

SDNers.

Hmm interesting, because currently i’m voting mayos so i’m curious what posts are making you worry about SDNers compulsively townreading each other. I feel good about Zenges and Santy but many SDNers are floating around in neutrals.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Let"s help marmot bus

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I think Marmot town told :/

[santygrass]

Like, you saying 'Santy just goes ham on reads' but also you sussed my initial post for giving read in like... Neon? Too quickly

Like, I do not wolfread you for it, but I think your view and assesments of me just dont make sense and are inaccurate and only see it as adorable you misreading me atp

[Lawpy]

Why is @Neon voting Dennis?

Because I scum read Dennis presumably

Why pls

[tutuu]

I feel like there’s a lot of resistance to zenges push on falcons

Santy at least is approaching from a pretty strongly village trajectory by highlighting the need to reassess in the event Zenges is wrong and looking for other wolves that don’t depend primarily on falcons being a wolf

Santy is probably a wolf because Santy is being sanctimonious and belabouring all the stuff he can that is "town 101" when as town he leaves all that shit behind and just goes ham on reads. Net outcome is town Santy gets heavily sussed and wolf Santy gets heavily townread.

Someday you'll learn to read me correctly.

Today is still not that day

Posts like this don't help.

I know but I still do them anyways because I know I'm right

if santy is wolf here he's really hard to find

i wanna repeat my read that regardless of alignment he's townsiding and even if he's mafia he's TMIng all over the place and his reads should be sheeped even if hypotethically he died and flipped wolf right now

[MacDougall]

Because recently, NKing AM on SDN is... I don't want to phrase it poorly but it's being seen as something of a dick move. She gets killed early all the fucking time and she's expressed frustration with it.
Zenge wouldn't stand for being part of a team that kills her night one. No chance, no way. It's just not happening.

Why do you assume AM was the nk to clear someone?

I see 3 people dead

I specifically stated Zenge is clear from being the faction that killed her, whoever that was.

reeeeally though? this is a dangerous read.

IS that because you don't trust the logic that zenge would never accept an AM NK

or

Because you aren't convinced AM was the NK?

The former.

Especially when killing AM might be optimal for the rest of your team.

If it advantages you why wouldn't you do it?

Imagine the entire wolf team wanted AM dead and Zenge is just there pouting like "nope not doing it I'm boss". Unlikely.

Moreover making reads predicated on "so and so would never" when the thing is canon literally gives that person 1 free win for doing that whenever they so please.

I don't think Zenge is mafia. I think it's a bogus reason to townread Zenge though.

Again. Then don't use that as your reason. I already said his tunneling of falcon puts him way in his village meta, not his wolf meta. And the syndicats don't have background on this. But yes, it's considered rude. He wouldn't do it, and I'm very confident on that. So

And if it's a 6 person wolf team and 5 want her dead he doesn't have a say so miss me with your pockety logic.

[santygrass]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Let"s help marmot bus

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I think Marmot town told :/

OwO where?

[MacDougall]

Because recently, NKing AM on SDN is... I don't want to phrase it poorly but it's being seen as something of a dick move. She gets killed early all the fucking time and she's expressed frustration with it.
Zenge wouldn't stand for being part of a team that kills her night one. No chance, no way. It's just not happening.

Why do you assume AM was the nk to clear someone?

I see 3 people dead

I specifically stated Zenge is clear from being the faction that killed her, whoever that was.

reeeeally though? this is a dangerous read.

IS that because you don't trust the logic that zenge would never accept an AM NK

or

Because you aren't convinced AM was the NK?

The former.

Especially when killing AM might be optimal for the rest of your team.

If it advantages you why wouldn't you do it?

Imagine the entire wolf team wanted AM dead and Zenge is just there pouting like "nope not doing it I'm boss". Unlikely.

Moreover making reads predicated on "so and so would never" when the thing is canon literally gives that person 1 free win for doing that whenever they so please.

I don't think Zenge is mafia. I think it's a bogus reason to townread Zenge though.

to be fair mac even us here on the syndicate used to do that, years ago

i remember my first game. me, alison and hally - all of us joined at the same time, at the same game

hally was the n1 kill

a lot of syndicators got cleared because "we would never kill a newcomer n1 on their first game, ever, that would be pretty rude"

yes that's supportive of my point... keep up junior.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Of course Dennis might just be mafia.

I think Dennis is scum for a really really really dumb reason lol

Explain freshly

I've forgotten what it was. But it was really dumb lol even if I believed it.

[tutuu]

yes that's supportive of my point... keep up junior.

[Mayo the Mayo]

Oh good beetlejeuse worked. Welcome back Santy

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Hihi . Your only trouble or what pinged you me being missing? Nothing else ?

I mean, I am pretty blank since I have read nothing of D1. How about you?

I just wanted to see you here because you not here was sus. Not like wolfy sus but just general sus if that makes sense?

I have read probably 10% of D1 and focused mainly on the SDNers for now.

Not feeling mighty, maybe dy but I almost never play with her anyway. Nate, genny, and mayo next but feeling ok with them for now, just not as good as I feel about Zenge/PSV/Miranda

Isn't this just a ranking of the baseline sus of the SDNers (except maybe the noob)?

Zenge/PSV are village read at baseline
Mayo, Genny, Nate are some level of sus at baseline

PSV gets misyeeted all the time. I’ve been misyeeted recently too. I wouldn’t say we’re village read at baseline

Everyone gets misyeeted from time to time.

If you are trying to say that you and PSV don't get a village benefit of the doubt and Genny and I aren't perma-sussed by people who can't read us, then you are being disingenuous.

She said she wasn't caught up, so maybe the reads list will evolve. This list lacks authenticity.

[MacDougall]

One thing I worry about is that the SDN players seem to more compulsively townread each other which is causing an overemphasis on Syndicators who don't do that. Yesterday and today all viable wagons have been Syndicators. SDNers are over emphasising on Syndicators and Syndicators are ignoring SDNers due to no SDNers having strong pushes onto other SDNers.

SDNers need to make more effort to find the wolves in the other SDNers or wolf SDNers are gonna skate.

SDNers.

Hmm interesting, because currently i’m voting mayos so i’m curious what posts are making you worry about SDNers compulsively townreading each other. I feel good about Zenges and Santy but many SDNers are floating around in neutrals.

Less posts more "syndicators are being wagoned near exclusively".

SDNers are all mostly townreading each other.
Syndicators are not so.

Syndicators be the wagons.

My concern is its simply because the SDNers are less prone to pushing each other/taking more comfort in one another's presences and making it easier to be pocketed.

[tutuu]

Of course Dennis might just be mafia.

I think Dennis is scum for a really really really dumb reason lol

Explain freshly

I've forgotten what it was. But it was really dumb lol even if I believed it.

neon both 1) forgetting her reads and 2) refusing to explain the ones she remembers (i bet she wont answer whats marmot's towntell she found) just keeps making her town. she doesnt have the guts to do this as scum

[Mayo the Mayo]

Oh good beetlejeuse worked. Welcome back Santy

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Hihi . Your only trouble or what pinged you me being missing? Nothing else ?

I mean, I am pretty blank since I have read nothing of D1. How about you?

I just wanted to see you here because you not here was sus. Not like wolfy sus but just general sus if that makes sense?

I have read probably 10% of D1 and focused mainly on the SDNers for now.

Not feeling mighty, maybe dy but I almost never play with her anyway. Nate, genny, and mayo next but feeling ok with them for now, just not as good as I feel about Zenge/PSV/Miranda

Isn't this just a ranking of the baseline sus of the SDNers (except maybe the noob)?

Zenge/PSV are village read at baseline
Mayo, Genny, Nate are some level of sus at baseline

Such good observations from you have a cookie!

Is it gluten free?

[Sloonei]

Is Lawpy town?

[potentialsheltervet]

Hi can I make a suggestion/request
Can we do a little less splitting of site v site and focus more on town v mafia?
I just feel like saying SDN v syndicate isn't extraordinarily helpful. Obviously we all have meta on certain people and that's significant but the other stuff is getting tiresome.

[MacDougall]

Current reads no order

Town

Mayo
Miranda
Sloonei
Tutuu
SVS
Santy
Zenge

Wolves

Creature
Marmot
Falcon
PSV

[santygrass]

Of course Dennis might just be mafia.

I think Dennis is scum for a really really really dumb reason lol

Explain freshly

I've forgotten what it was. But it was really dumb lol even if I believed it.

neon both 1) forgetting her reads and 2) refusing to explain the ones she remembers (i bet she wont answer whats marmot's towntell she found) just keeps making her town. she doesnt have the guts to do this as scum

But they haven't posted a cute anime gif yet

[Marmot]

Okay I have limited time
I’m between creature and marmot

On my first read of Marmot, nothing stood out to me that would make me lean wolf/mafia there
But it appears I may be missing so important familiarity context and that marmot isn’t playing as they typically would

I’ve already discussed creature and how I felt some things there seem odd

Maybe I missed it, but did anyone make this particular case?

[potentialsheltervet]

Is Lawpy town?

I thiiiiiiiink so. I am not confident.

[tutuu]

Is Lawpy town?

i thought his push of you made him town

u also said that you believe that he believes what he said

[Mayo the Mayo]

I'm sorry but I remember the first time I played with falcon I also sussed them, took the insight of some Syndicate people that were kinda in the middle and just went into 'sure falcon is mafia' mindset ignoring other people calling them town and never really got out of there. Falcon was town there.
I think seeing the falcon wagon as PURE SDN and the peole from the same site that know him more calling them town should be a huge signal of that wagon being bad.
I know Zenge is tunneled . But I hope this is a wake-up call if you are town

@SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet @mightyrunner7

you know what? good enough

if falcon is mafia here he can officially join the syndicate club of "be more towny as mafia than you are as town". about 70% of us syndicators are in this club, hence why mafia have won like 15 out of the 17 games played this year. but if it happens it happens. i think if u just go by simple logic - u townread falcon here

These two posts contradict each other. If mafia usually wins on this site, why would this site townreading falcon outweigh the sdn reads? Village wins very frequently there.

What

Are you saying people without meta have more accurate reads than people with meta?

I'm saying that one person saying trust our town reads immediately followed by another person saying town never wins kindof undercuts the argument

[MacDougall]

Hi can I make a suggestion/request
Can we do a little less splitting of site v site and focus more on town v mafia?
I just feel like saying SDN v syndicate isn't extraordinarily helpful. Obviously we all have meta on certain people and that's significant but the other stuff is getting tiresome.

Where exactly did anyone do this?

[Sloonei]

Is Lawpy town?

i thought his push of you made him town

u also said that you believe that he believes what he said

Yes but I am reconsidering that statement.

[potentialsheltervet]

Current reads no order

Town

Mayo
Miranda
Sloonei
Tutuu
SVS
Santy
Zenge

Wolves

Creature
Marmot
Falcon
PSV

Wow. Same group as marmot, creature, and falcon.

[Marmot]

Is there an argument anywhere for Creature being town?

if you happened to know about other things going on elsewhere, you would probably not be upset at the lack of content

@Marmot , how would this make you think that?

Marmot said

I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.

Are dyachei and Creature related that this remark would make you back off? I'm asking in seriousness, not being facetious.

I didn't want to pry into personal lives, so I chose to accept it. I just assumed that dya knew something outside of the thread (not necessarily in scumchat, just from somewhere else) that made them say that.

That said, it is Day 2, and Creature hasn't done much that the leash he was given (at least by me, I dunno how many others voted the same way).

So because of what dya said, which is a reason not to apply a meta read not a reason to townread, you voted out Scotty, a strong player who wasn't all that wolfy?

Why did you specifically vote Scotty?

Because Scotty's posts looked towny, but they didn't feel townie.

Also he was the alternative to Creature.

[potentialsheltervet]

Hi can I make a suggestion/request
Can we do a little less splitting of site v site and focus more on town v mafia?
I just feel like saying SDN v syndicate isn't extraordinarily helpful. Obviously we all have meta on certain people and that's significant but the other stuff is getting tiresome.

Where exactly did anyone do this?

You, specifically, saying SDNers aren't comfortable pushing each other.

[Sloonei]

Is Lawpy town?

I thiiiiiiiink so. I am not confident.

What makes you thiiiiiiiink so, and what is causing so much hesitation?

[santygrass]

Current reads no order

Town

Mayo
Miranda
Sloonei
Tutuu
SVS
Santy
Zenge

Wolves

Creature
Marmot
Falcon
PSV

Where would you put Dennis?

[tutuu]

Current reads no order

Town

Mayo
Miranda
Sloonei
Tutuu
SVS
Santy
Zenge

Wolves

Creature
Marmot
Falcon
PSV

Wow. Same group as marmot, creature, and falcon.

i believe u that u arent mafia with all of them

i also believe genny that she isnt mafia with both psv and mayo at the same time

there has to be a decent number of hits in all of these names though

[Mayo the Mayo]

Why not

Because recently, NKing AM on SDN is... I don't want to phrase it poorly but it's being seen as something of a dick move. She gets killed early all the fucking time and she's expressed frustration with it.
Zenge wouldn't stand for being part of a team that kills her night one. No chance, no way. It's just not happening.

Why do you assume AM was the nk to clear someone?

I see 3 people dead

I specifically stated Zenge is clear from being the faction that killed her, whoever that was.

reeeeally though? this is a dangerous read.

IS that because you don't trust the logic that zenge would never accept an AM NK

or

Because you aren't convinced AM was the NK?

The former.

Especially when killing AM might be optimal for the rest of your team.

If it advantages you why wouldn't you do it?

Imagine the entire wolf team wanted AM dead and Zenge is just there pouting like "nope not doing it I'm boss". Unlikely.

Moreover making reads predicated on "so and so would never" when the thing is canon literally gives that person 1 free win for doing that whenever they so please.

I don't think Zenge is mafia. I think it's a bogus reason to townread Zenge though.

Maybe not a clear. It's definitely big points in his favor. I guess he can't control the whole pack. He would push pretty hard to avoid a NK on her D1. I think most packs would have been able to find another worthwhile N1K to appease him.

[Sloonei]

Hi can I make a suggestion/request
Can we do a little less splitting of site v site and focus more on town v mafia?
I just feel like saying SDN v syndicate isn't extraordinarily helpful. Obviously we all have meta on certain people and that's significant but the other stuff is getting tiresome.

Where exactly did anyone do this?

You, specifically, saying SDNers aren't comfortable pushing each other.

This is not how I interpret Mac's words.

What he's saying is that, so far, all of the wagons through two days have been on Syndicate players. SDNers know each other better than we know you guys. So we are looking for guidance from our resident SDN townies to help us push the SDN not-townies.

[MacDougall]

Is there an argument anywhere for Creature being town?

if you happened to know about other things going on elsewhere, you would probably not be upset at the lack of content

@Marmot , how would this make you think that?

Marmot said

I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.

Are dyachei and Creature related that this remark would make you back off? I'm asking in seriousness, not being facetious.

I didn't want to pry into personal lives, so I chose to accept it. I just assumed that dya knew something outside of the thread (not necessarily in scumchat, just from somewhere else) that made them say that.

That said, it is Day 2, and Creature hasn't done much that the leash he was given (at least by me, I dunno how many others voted the same way).

So because of what dya said, which is a reason not to apply a meta read not a reason to townread, you voted out Scotty, a strong player who wasn't all that wolfy?

Why did you specifically vote Scotty?

Because Scotty's posts looked towny, but they didn't feel townie.

Also he was the alternative to Creature.

Outside of Creature being low impact did you have any reason to need to be saving him?

[potentialsheltervet]

Oh good beetlejeuse worked. Welcome back Santy

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Hihi . Your only trouble or what pinged you me being missing? Nothing else ?

I mean, I am pretty blank since I have read nothing of D1. How about you?

I just wanted to see you here because you not here was sus. Not like wolfy sus but just general sus if that makes sense?

I have read probably 10% of D1 and focused mainly on the SDNers for now.

Not feeling mighty, maybe dy but I almost never play with her anyway. Nate, genny, and mayo next but feeling ok with them for now, just not as good as I feel about Zenge/PSV/Miranda

Isn't this just a ranking of the baseline sus of the SDNers (except maybe the noob)?

Zenge/PSV are village read at baseline
Mayo, Genny, Nate are some level of sus at baseline

PSV gets misyeeted all the time. I’ve been misyeeted recently too. I wouldn’t say we’re village read at baseline

Everyone gets misyeeted from time to time.

If you are trying to say that you and PSV don't get a village benefit of the doubt and Genny and I aren't perma-sussed by people who can't read us, then you are being disingenuous.

She said she wasn't caught up, so maybe the reads list will evolve. This list lacks authenticity.

Okay but you're acting like me and Zenge can just fuck around and get town read. We have to fight to get town read every game and I've still been misyoten at least 25% of the games I've played the past six months. You're right that you and genny are sketchy villagers and are treated as such but it's disingenuous to suggest me and Zenge don't get scrutinized.

[Mayo the Mayo]

@Mayo the Mayo instead of resolving falcon/zenge as u expressed, may you please vig creature/marmot tonight (the one who doesnt get chopped today, probably creature?) please xoxo

I assumed we are voting creature/marmot today?

[MacDougall]

Current reads no order

Town

Mayo
Miranda
Sloonei
Tutuu
SVS
Santy
Zenge

Wolves

Creature
Marmot
Falcon
PSV

Where would you put Dennis?

If I wanted to make a Dennis read I'd have done so.

[Marmot]

And I just noticed, reading my own post, that Creature was actually there in the last five minutes too, so ....?

so ....?

So, all three of you, Scotty and Creature were all there in the last five minutes. Creature, who you initially voted for but then moved off cause a third party implied he might be busy; Scotty, who was himself saying he had been to busy to be active in the thread~ who you said earlier had "technically townie posts", and you only voted him becasue "Ties bad", and you, ignoring both of them.

So I'm pretty OK with my vote.

Linki marmie

Twenty minutes before EOD

@Creature are you still here, you can't disappear now just because you're not in the lead anymore!!

I mean you can, I just want to hear more from you.

I am trying to get dinner ready but I keep getting distracted.

Between that and this, Creature made multiple posts. So did you, and Scotty came in, and you quoted him (I spoilered this cause this is getting long)

Spoiler: show

Oh I see I have votes

I forgot about this game, wild

We got more.

Genny:

Spoiler: show

Don’t you just love it when guests come over and complain about your decor?

I’m excited about all the options for ISOs that I will never do!

Caustic approach. Slightly pessimistic but thoughtful.
You are a crow, and definitely good.

potentialsheltervet:

Spoiler: show

Playing on a forum that doesn't censor profanity feels illegal. And empowering.

Is enriched and strengthened by profanity.

Smh everyone hates on huskies. Embracing the drama is way more fun.

Tut tuts those that don’t like drama.

Shut the fuck up

Inimical. Has a prickly defense.

You’re a North American porcupine, and you are probably good.

SportPonies:

Spoiler: show

what am I? Get to work.

*playbows*

You’re a hippogriff, and you already have the most posts even though you hadn’t posted until 4 hours ago. So you’re probably just bad and mega posting because you’re trying to overcompensate for the fact that you’re not even real.

Sorry.

Creature:

Spoiler: show

Boy I am angry and exhausted

You sound like my father-in-law.

You are probably my father-in-law. He’s firmly 3P and keeps trying to offer me unprompted financial advice. As I’ve said before, Greg, we’re doing fine and my portfolio IS already diversified with foreign investments.

I’m sorry about your rand, Creature.

Also, I read all of this and understood nothing.

Is this a very crafty and unnecesarly complex way of posting fluff?

I wish santy had more to say to this to Scotty today, because this single interaction with no followup looks very partnerish in the event Scotty flips wolf.

Yeah you're reading this the same way I am.

I get Marmot's argument for not wanting Creature to go over sorta.

But to dismiss the possibility that it was dya wolf shielding Creature is one tick against it.

Another is that it's no excuse to lazily vote the top wagon. Especially when it's Scotty, who I'd expect Marmot to over value the presence of and be very wary of miselimming day 1 over Creature. I doubt Marmot wouldn't try to at least curry up another chop, or try harder to explore Scotty's mindset and figure out his alignment.

This was a thing that I wanted to do because Scotty and Creature didn't feel like great options at the time, but given I'd missed a large portion of Day 1, I thought it would be irresponsible of me try to get someone else chopped one I didn't have a good grasp on the game.

[tutuu]

@Mayo the Mayo instead of resolving falcon/zenge as u expressed, may you please vig creature/marmot tonight (the one who doesnt get chopped today, probably creature?) please xoxo

I assumed we are voting creature/marmot today?

yeah? same as what i said

[MacDougall]

Hi can I make a suggestion/request
Can we do a little less splitting of site v site and focus more on town v mafia?
I just feel like saying SDN v syndicate isn't extraordinarily helpful. Obviously we all have meta on certain people and that's significant but the other stuff is getting tiresome.

Where exactly did anyone do this?

You, specifically, saying SDNers aren't comfortable pushing each other.

How is that me saying SDN v Syndicate?

You guys are clearly biasing towards townreading each other as a group and it's causing the game to overfocus on Syndicators. It's literally blatantly visible. I'm asking you guys to scrutinise other SDNers more willingly.

[Marmot]

Is there an argument anywhere for Creature being town?

if you happened to know about other things going on elsewhere, you would probably not be upset at the lack of content

@Marmot , how would this make you think that?

Marmot said

I'm probably going to move my vote off of Creature because it seems his lack of activity and commitment is out of his control atm.

Are dyachei and Creature related that this remark would make you back off? I'm asking in seriousness, not being facetious.

I didn't want to pry into personal lives, so I chose to accept it. I just assumed that dya knew something outside of the thread (not necessarily in scumchat, just from somewhere else) that made them say that.

That said, it is Day 2, and Creature hasn't done much that the leash he was given (at least by me, I dunno how many others voted the same way).

So because of what dya said, which is a reason not to apply a meta read not a reason to townread, you voted out Scotty, a strong player who wasn't all that wolfy?

Why did you specifically vote Scotty?

Because Scotty's posts looked towny, but they didn't feel townie.

Also he was the alternative to Creature.

Outside of Creature being low impact did you have any reason to need to be saving him?

No, that was literally the only reason.

Yes I gave it a lot of stock because he was vouched for by another player, but given that Creature and dya both fell off the face of the earth today, I do think that the two just being wolf teammates isn't far fetched.

[Sloonei]

misyoten

[MacDougall]

And I just noticed, reading my own post, that Creature was actually there in the last five minutes too, so ....?

so ....?

So, all three of you, Scotty and Creature were all there in the last five minutes. Creature, who you initially voted for but then moved off cause a third party implied he might be busy; Scotty, who was himself saying he had been to busy to be active in the thread~ who you said earlier had "technically townie posts", and you only voted him becasue "Ties bad", and you, ignoring both of them.

So I'm pretty OK with my vote.

Linki marmie

Twenty minutes before EOD

@Creature are you still here, you can't disappear now just because you're not in the lead anymore!!

I mean you can, I just want to hear more from you.

I am trying to get dinner ready but I keep getting distracted.

Between that and this, Creature made multiple posts. So did you, and Scotty came in, and you quoted him (I spoilered this cause this is getting long)

Spoiler: show

Oh I see I have votes

I forgot about this game, wild

We got more.

Genny:

Spoiler: show

Caustic approach. Slightly pessimistic but thoughtful.
You are a crow, and definitely good.

potentialsheltervet:

Spoiler: show

Is enriched and strengthened by profanity.

Tut tuts those that don’t like drama.

Inimical. Has a prickly defense.

You’re a North American porcupine, and you are probably good.

SportPonies:

Spoiler: show

You’re a hippogriff, and you already have the most posts even though you hadn’t posted until 4 hours ago. So you’re probably just bad and mega posting because you’re trying to overcompensate for the fact that you’re not even real.

Sorry.

Creature:

Spoiler: show

You sound like my father-in-law.

You are probably my father-in-law. He’s firmly 3P and keeps trying to offer me unprompted financial advice. As I’ve said before, Greg, we’re doing fine and my portfolio IS already diversified with foreign investments.

I’m sorry about your rand, Creature.

Also, I read all of this and understood nothing.

Is this a very crafty and unnecesarly complex way of posting fluff?

I wish santy had more to say to this to Scotty today, because this single interaction with no followup looks very partnerish in the event Scotty flips wolf.

Yeah you're reading this the same way I am.

I get Marmot's argument for not wanting Creature to go over sorta.

But to dismiss the possibility that it was dya wolf shielding Creature is one tick against it.

Another is that it's no excuse to lazily vote the top wagon. Especially when it's Scotty, who I'd expect Marmot to over value the presence of and be very wary of miselimming day 1 over Creature. I doubt Marmot wouldn't try to at least curry up another chop, or try harder to explore Scotty's mindset and figure out his alignment.

This was a thing that I wanted to do because Scotty and Creature didn't feel like great options at the time, but given I'd missed a large portion of Day 1, I thought it would be irresponsible of me try to get someone else chopped one I didn't have a good grasp on the game.

So you irresponsibly killed a strong town who you have the most experience with of anyone and accidentally saved what looks to be an outed mafia.

Cool you can die for this.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine dies first cuz the information needs to be concrete.

If he's town I'll be helping Zenge kill Falcon next.

If mafia Marmot is being doused in petrol and set on fire.

[tutuu]

im going to sheep and remove falcon from my townreads

im sheeping on a few other slots too, influencing my ordering a bit

mac
seanzie
zenge
svs
neon
mayo
dennis
lawpy
sloonei
miranda
SARhandler - (difference check w PSV)

santy

nate

migthyrunner

falcon
genny
creature
marmot
psv