Hotdog Fingers Mafia [Game over, Mafia won]

[DrWilgy]

Hmmm... I missed this, but Mac is right, that I didn't actually look into if anyone was no voting. I should do this and see what happens to my VCA.

[MacDougall]

Just want to be clear I don't have a mech green on Kate and SVS. Neon saying she had no towncore or basis from which to solve felt like something I could easily ascertain the legitimacy of by doing that and her emotions switched from maniacal to quite happy when I did so I think she was genuine.

[MacDougall]

Let's seeeeeeee

If there were 3 wolves, remaining wolf combos could be:
SVS/TSP/Pyxxy
SVS/Porscha/Pyxxy
SVS/Kate/Pyxxy
Dennis/TSP/Pyxxy
Dennis/Porscha/Pyxxy
Dennis/Kate/Pyxxy?

Do these not make sense for any reason and why?

Now that I've narrowed it down to combos like this, I'll start doing some backreading I guess.

Why is Seanzie town?

Seanzie being town is the weakest of the associative reads.

Simply because Seanzie and Pyxxy being both W on Falcon I think is unlikely. Pyxxy was likely a lone wolf there as I do not see immediate need for wolves to block vote. I'd say that T Seanzie is a 60% read based on this.

Three living players voting Neon on the c/w could easily be a town pure wagon voting a wolf which would cause mafia to need 2 votes on Falcon to save Neon.

[DrWilgy]

Let's seeeeeeee

If there were 3 wolves, remaining wolf combos could be:
SVS/TSP/Pyxxy
SVS/Porscha/Pyxxy
SVS/Kate/Pyxxy
Dennis/TSP/Pyxxy
Dennis/Porscha/Pyxxy
Dennis/Kate/Pyxxy?

Do these not make sense for any reason and why?

Now that I've narrowed it down to combos like this, I'll start doing some backreading I guess.

Why is Seanzie town?

Seanzie being town is the weakest of the associative reads.

Simply because Seanzie and Pyxxy being both W on Falcon I think is unlikely. Pyxxy was likely a lone wolf there as I do not see immediate need for wolves to block vote. I'd say that T Seanzie is a 60% read based on this.

Three living players voting Neon on the c/w could easily be a town pure wagon voting a wolf which would cause mafia to need 2 votes on Falcon to save Neon.

But then Neon would've needed to hellbus Pyxxy? I see it as unlikely, but I'll see if possible.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

When did SVS vote Neon?

Like right at the start of day and never moved

I thought that was Kate?

Is it TSP that moved most recently to just sheep me?

They both did but Kate moved off me SVS had just been locked on me since SoD

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

When did SVS vote Neon?

Like right at the start of day and never moved

I sheeped Kate. I didn’t move when she did, but odds are good I’ll follow her again.

My instincts suck this game and I trust hers at this time more than mine.

Why?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Just want to be clear I don't have a mech green on Kate and SVS. Neon saying she had no towncore or basis from which to solve felt like something I could easily ascertain the legitimacy of by doing that and her emotions switched from maniacal to quite happy when I did so I think she was genuine.

God dammit

But also this is bleeding town...

Vote: Dennis

[MacDougall]

D1 EOD

Wilgy: Kate/Falcon
Kate: Wilgy
Mac: Lily
Nutella: Rondo/Mac/TSP
Rondo: SVS, Dennis, Seanzie, Nutella
Seanzie: Windward
Not Voting: Dennis/Neon/Porscha

D2 EOD

Falcon: Windward/Nutella/Seanzie/Pyxxy/Wilgy
Kate: Mac/TSP
Neon: Kate/Porscha/SVS
Pyxxy: Neon
TSP: Falcon
Windward: Dennis
Not Voting: None

D3 EOD

Wilgy: TSP
Pyxxy: Mac/Kate/Neon/Porscha/Windward
TSP: Seanzie/Pyxxy
Windward: SVS/Wilgy
Not voting: Dennis

Current VC

Dennis: TSP/Mac
Wilgy: Neon
Mac: Seanzie
Neon: Kate/SVS
TSP: Wilgy
Not Voting: Porscha/Dennis

Vote map of each player

Dennis: Not voting > Windward > Not voting > Not voting
Wilgy: Kate > Falcon > Windward > TSP
Kate: Wilgy > Neon > Pyxxy > Neon
Mac: Nutella > Kate > Pyxxy > Dennis
Neon: Not voting > Pyxxy > Pyxxy > Wilgy
Porscha: Not voting > Neon > Pyxxy > Not voting
Seanzie: Rondo > Falcon > TSP > Mac
SVS: Rondo > Neon > Windward > Neon
TSP: Nutella > Kate > Wilgy > Dennis

At a glance the mafia team straight up just looks to be Seanzie and Dennis based on this.

[Porscha]

I think Wilgy is town so that's like cool but also annoying cause this is really insightful and would've helped when town was eating itself alive the last 2 days.

Like I'm not sure we've even wagoned a wolf this game

This post

I saw that as soft shielding a teammate while mildly griping trying to not look too partnery. Didn't occur to me it was spewing him town.

Could be

Tsp when I say that interaction could have been w/w: no dont be ridiculous

Tsp when mac says that interaction could have been w/w: perhaps, king

Can you quote these two reactions side by side please?

I think Wilgy is town so that's like cool but also annoying cause this is really insightful and would've helped when town was eating itself alive the last 2 days.

Like I'm not sure we've even wagoned a wolf this game

This post

I saw that as soft shielding a teammate while mildly griping trying to not look too partnery. Didn't occur to me it was spewing him town.

Could be

The reason Wilgy isn’t a wolf is because some wolf made that crazy “wow this is helpful analysis” post that I think is roughly never w/w

I think that a wolf could easily make that post at another wolf

Yeah they could easily but they didn’t

[MacDougall]

Neon has possibly not made her vote count towards a mafia wincon at all as yet.

Dennis has not made his count towards the town wincon.

FMPOV Seanzie has 4 egregious votes. Voted on both d1 and d2 town chops. Pushed against the wolf chop on d3. And is now tunneling me for bad reasons.

[MacDougall]

Dennis quite literally doesn't care about finding mafia. His only attempt to push anyone the entire game has been to push the person burying a wolf.

[MacDougall]

He also in spite of this ended all 3 days without a wagon on him or even a single vote. Why would wolves not be pushing him?

[S~V~S]

When did SVS vote Neon?

Like right at the start of day and never moved

I sheeped Kate. I didn’t move when she did, but odds are good I’ll follow her again.

My instincts suck this game and I trust hers at this time more than mine.

Why?

With all due respect, you are always saying how you suck. I don’t agree, but that isn’t the point. The point is that after Windward flipped town,I don’t trust my own instincts this game. I feel like my instincts suck right now. So I would think you would understand how I feel. We are different in most ways, I think, but in this way we are similar.

I do, however, trust Kates even more so after the Pyxxy hugging.

So I plan on following her lead.

I chose to disrespect the curser role for this reply, as clarity was of the utmost importance to me here.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

When did SVS vote Neon?

Like right at the start of day and never moved

I sheeped Kate. I didn’t move when she did, but odds are good I’ll follow her again.

My instincts suck this game and I trust hers at this time more than mine.

Why?

With all due respect, you are always saying how you suck. I don’t agree, but that isn’t the point. The point is that after Windward flipped town,I don’t trust my own instincts this game. I feel like my instincts suck right now. So I would think you would understand how I feel. We are different in most ways, I think, but in this way we are similar.

I do, however, trust Kates even more so after the Pyxxy hugging.

So I plan on following her lead.

I chose to disrespect the curser role for this reply, as clarity was of the utmost importance to me here.

Valid

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think Wilgy is town so that's like cool but also annoying cause this is really insightful and would've helped when town was eating itself alive the last 2 days.

Like I'm not sure we've even wagoned a wolf this game

This post

I saw that as soft shielding a teammate while mildly griping trying to not look too partnery. Didn't occur to me it was spewing him town.

Could be

Tsp when I say that interaction could have been w/w: no dont be ridiculous

Tsp when mac says that interaction could have been w/w: perhaps, king

Can you quote these two reactions side by side please?

I think Wilgy is town so that's like cool but also annoying cause this is really insightful and would've helped when town was eating itself alive the last 2 days.

Like I'm not sure we've even wagoned a wolf this game

This post

I saw that as soft shielding a teammate while mildly griping trying to not look too partnery. Didn't occur to me it was spewing him town.

Could be

The reason Wilgy isn’t a wolf is because some wolf made that crazy “wow this is helpful analysis” post that I think is roughly never w/w

I think that a wolf could easily make that post at another wolf

Yeah they could easily but they didn’t

i said the same thing both times

[TonyStarkPrime]

Hey ok I don't really think roles are alignment indicative this game but I'm kinda curious about something so if someone made me happy today could you please let me know right now (ish)

[DrWilgy]

Hey ok I don't really think roles are alignment indicative this game but I'm kinda curious about something so if someone made me happy today could you please let me know right now (ish)

TSP you make me happy each time I see your profile pic and think "wow, surely is a joy to play with tsp"

So yes, you've made me happy

[TonyStarkPrime]

Well that’s the opposite of what I asked but I’ll accept it

Vote: neon

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wait no, I was voting dennis

[DrWilgy]

Well that’s the opposite of what I asked but I’ll accept it

Vote: neon

Well, did it make you happy?

[Porscha]

Now that we've solved the one I saw in Pyxxy, Sean, WWA, we should solve the one in Mac/TSP.

It's just TSP like 90% of the time.

[VOTE: tsp] aubergine

I am almost certain that at no point yesterday did you put forth a group containing pyxxy sean and wwa

This is weak, you can at least attempt to look at my short iso before blindly discrediting.

But no, the actual conclusion is that there is one in Mac/TSP and that there's at least one in Pyxxy/Seanzie/WWA. Perhaps Seanzie as that'd make them the wolf on both d1 and d2 town flips.

There's an outlier in Kate/Porscha that should be addressed as well.

...

yes

Yeah when I had to ISO myself I found it lol I thought you had sean with only 1 other person and not those 2. I'm at work and 100% not iso'ing literally everyone for every comment I thought I remembered correctly

[Porscha]

Just want to be clear I don't have a mech green on Kate and SVS. Neon saying she had no towncore or basis from which to solve felt like something I could easily ascertain the legitimacy of by doing that and her emotions switched from maniacal to quite happy when I did so I think she was genuine.

Can I ask if you think a no wim wolf who was provided a world view on a 5 star Michelin mac plate would in turn be happy about it

[DrWilgy]

Now that we've solved the one I saw in Pyxxy, Sean, WWA, we should solve the one in Mac/TSP.

It's just TSP like 90% of the time.

[VOTE: tsp] aubergine

I am almost certain that at no point yesterday did you put forth a group containing pyxxy sean and wwa

This is weak, you can at least attempt to look at my short iso before blindly discrediting.

But no, the actual conclusion is that there is one in Mac/TSP and that there's at least one in Pyxxy/Seanzie/WWA. Perhaps Seanzie as that'd make them the wolf on both d1 and d2 town flips.

There's an outlier in Kate/Porscha that should be addressed as well.

...

yes

Yeah when I had to ISO myself I found it lol I thought you had sean with only 1 other person and not those 2. I'm at work and 100% not iso'ing literally everyone for every comment I thought I remembered correctly

Fair enough. I'll be less sassy.

[MacDougall]

Just want to be clear I don't have a mech green on Kate and SVS. Neon saying she had no towncore or basis from which to solve felt like something I could easily ascertain the legitimacy of by doing that and her emotions switched from maniacal to quite happy when I did so I think she was genuine.

Can I ask if you think a no wim wolf who was provided a world view on a 5 star Michelin mac plate would in turn be happy about it

Not if it didn't contain their partner.

[Kate]

Guys, I'm wiped, had a headache all day and my own game just ended. I'm going to bed.

See yalls in the morning!

[Porscha]

When did SVS vote Neon?

Like right at the start of day and never moved

I sheeped Kate. I didn’t move when she did, but odds are good I’ll follow her again.

My instincts suck this game and I trust hers at this time more than mine.

Why?

With all due respect, you are always saying how you suck. I don’t agree, but that isn’t the point. The point is that after Windward flipped town,I don’t trust my own instincts this game. I feel like my instincts suck right now. So I would think you would understand how I feel. We are different in most ways, I think, but in this way we are similar.

I do, however, trust Kates even more so after the Pyxxy hugging.

So I plan on following her lead.

I chose to disrespect the curser role for this reply, as clarity was of the utmost importance to me here.

Can you remind me how / when kate joined on pyxxy wagon

[Porscha]

Just want to be clear I don't have a mech green on Kate and SVS. Neon saying she had no towncore or basis from which to solve felt like something I could easily ascertain the legitimacy of by doing that and her emotions switched from maniacal to quite happy when I did so I think she was genuine.

Can I ask if you think a no wim wolf who was provided a world view on a 5 star Michelin mac plate would in turn be happy about it

Not if it didn't contain their partner.

? You think it would have to contain their partner in what capacity exactly?

[Porscha]

This post

I saw that as soft shielding a teammate while mildly griping trying to not look too partnery. Didn't occur to me it was spewing him town.

Could be

Tsp when I say that interaction could have been w/w: no dont be ridiculous

Tsp when mac says that interaction could have been w/w: perhaps, king

Can you quote these two reactions side by side please?

I think Wilgy is town so that's like cool but also annoying cause this is really insightful and would've helped when town was eating itself alive the last 2 days.

Like I'm not sure we've even wagoned a wolf this game

This post

I saw that as soft shielding a teammate while mildly griping trying to not look too partnery. Didn't occur to me it was spewing him town.

Could be

The reason Wilgy isn’t a wolf is because some wolf made that crazy “wow this is helpful analysis” post that I think is roughly never w/w

I think that a wolf could easily make that post at another wolf

Yeah they could easily but they didn’t

i said the same thing both times

Lol... i mean... you use the word "could" both times but you were very adamant it didnt happen when you said it to me and didnt have that when you responded to mac

[Seanzie]

D1 EOD

Wilgy: Kate/Falcon
Kate: Wilgy
Mac: Lily
Nutella: Rondo/Mac/TSP
Rondo: SVS, Dennis, Seanzie, Nutella
Seanzie: Windward
Not Voting: Dennis/Neon/Porscha

D2 EOD

Falcon: Windward/Nutella/Seanzie/Pyxxy/Wilgy
Kate: Mac/TSP
Neon: Kate/Porscha/SVS
Pyxxy: Neon
TSP: Falcon
Windward: Dennis
Not Voting: None

D3 EOD

Wilgy: TSP
Pyxxy: Mac/Kate/Neon/Porscha/Windward
TSP: Seanzie/Pyxxy
Windward: SVS/Wilgy
Not voting: Dennis

Current VC

Dennis: TSP/Mac
Wilgy: Neon
Mac: Seanzie
Neon: Kate/SVS
TSP: Wilgy
Not Voting: Porscha/Dennis

Vote map of each player

Dennis: Not voting > Windward > Not voting > Not voting
Wilgy: Kate > Falcon > Windward > TSP
Kate: Wilgy > Neon > Pyxxy > Neon
Mac: Nutella > Kate > Pyxxy > Dennis
Neon: Not voting > Pyxxy > Pyxxy > Wilgy
Porscha: Not voting > Neon > Pyxxy > Not voting
Seanzie: Rondo > Falcon > TSP > Mac
SVS: Rondo > Neon > Windward > Neon
TSP: Nutella > Kate > Wilgy > Dennis

At a glance the mafia team straight up just looks to be Seanzie and Dennis based on this.

Explain your conclusion.

[Seanzie]

Neon has possibly not made her vote count towards a mafia wincon at all as yet.

Dennis has not made his count towards the town wincon.

FMPOV Seanzie has 4 egregious votes. Voted on both d1 and d2 town chops. Pushed against the wolf chop on d3. And is now tunneling me for bad reasons.

Do you find anyone who votes you to be "tunneling", or are you just throwing that word around?

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

8:17 PM Eastern time, first half of Day three.

Spoiler: show

I don’t have the order. Iirc she was first or second

.

@Porscha

[Seanzie]

Let's seeeeeeee

If there were 3 wolves, remaining wolf combos could be:
SVS/TSP/Pyxxy
SVS/Porscha/Pyxxy
SVS/Kate/Pyxxy
Dennis/TSP/Pyxxy
Dennis/Porscha/Pyxxy
Dennis/Kate/Pyxxy?

Do these not make sense for any reason and why?

Now that I've narrowed it down to combos like this, I'll start doing some backreading I guess.

Why is Seanzie town?

Seanzie being town is the weakest of the associative reads.

Simply because Seanzie and Pyxxy being both W on Falcon I think is unlikely. Pyxxy was likely a lone wolf there as I do not see immediate need for wolves to block vote. I'd say that T Seanzie is a 60% read based on this.

You're throwing me softballs. Why?

[MacDougall]

Just want to be clear I don't have a mech green on Kate and SVS. Neon saying she had no towncore or basis from which to solve felt like something I could easily ascertain the legitimacy of by doing that and her emotions switched from maniacal to quite happy when I did so I think she was genuine.

Can I ask if you think a no wim wolf who was provided a world view on a 5 star Michelin mac plate would in turn be happy about it

Not if it didn't contain their partner.

? You think it would have to contain their partner in what capacity exactly?

As in if my PoE didn't contain their partner they would probably be a lil happy but I still trust the read tbh. Also Neon has literally ended d2 and d3 voting our only wolf flip and has most of the game pushing her. Doesn't feel like the hit based on that anyway.

Look at my points about Dennis.

[MacDougall]

Neon has possibly not made her vote count towards a mafia wincon at all as yet.

Dennis has not made his count towards the town wincon.

FMPOV Seanzie has 4 egregious votes. Voted on both d1 and d2 town chops. Pushed against the wolf chop on d3. And is now tunneling me for bad reasons.

Do you find anyone who votes you to be "tunneling", or are you just throwing that word around?

I find someone who colour codes an arbitrary post of mine to say mac is a wolf dramatically 3 times without explaining how any of the 3 things I say to be tunneling, among other things.

[Seanzie]

Neon has possibly not made her vote count towards a mafia wincon at all as yet.

Dennis has not made his count towards the town wincon.

FMPOV Seanzie has 4 egregious votes. Voted on both d1 and d2 town chops. Pushed against the wolf chop on d3. And is now tunneling me for bad reasons.

Do you find anyone who votes you to be "tunneling", or are you just throwing that word around?

I find someone who colour codes an arbitrary post of mine to say mac is a wolf dramatically 3 times without explaining how any of the 3 things I say to be tunneling, among other things.

I find it to be someone looking to see how Mac reacts, but okay.

[MacDougall]

I don't really consider Neon someone likely to bus Pyxxy the way she would need to be especially when she was provided viable alternatives by several players. I think Neon is also coming under an overly large amount of scrutiny given she has not really been all that scummy and has the best voting record.

Neon's vote record is literally nobody wolf wolf. Dennis's is nobody person who buried wolf nobody.

Dennis was being allowed to skate by doing nothing and Neon was being heavily pushed.

Make it make sense?

[MacDougall]

Neon has possibly not made her vote count towards a mafia wincon at all as yet.

Dennis has not made his count towards the town wincon.

FMPOV Seanzie has 4 egregious votes. Voted on both d1 and d2 town chops. Pushed against the wolf chop on d3. And is now tunneling me for bad reasons.

Do you find anyone who votes you to be "tunneling", or are you just throwing that word around?

I find someone who colour codes an arbitrary post of mine to say mac is a wolf dramatically 3 times without explaining how any of the 3 things I say to be tunneling, among other things.

I find it to be someone looking to see how Mac reacts, but okay.

Cool thanks for reaction testing me, making me overreact and then criticising me for overreacting. I appreciate the site ban I'll be receiving for it.

[Seanzie]

Neon has possibly not made her vote count towards a mafia wincon at all as yet.

Dennis has not made his count towards the town wincon.

FMPOV Seanzie has 4 egregious votes. Voted on both d1 and d2 town chops. Pushed against the wolf chop on d3. And is now tunneling me for bad reasons.

Do you find anyone who votes you to be "tunneling", or are you just throwing that word around?

I find someone who colour codes an arbitrary post of mine to say mac is a wolf dramatically 3 times without explaining how any of the 3 things I say to be tunneling, among other things.

I find it to be someone looking to see how Mac reacts, but okay.

Cool thanks for reaction testing me, making me overreact and then criticising me for overreacting. I appreciate the site ban I'll be receiving for it.

I didn't make you be mean about it.

When I was younger, I told my sister about how my middleschool class won a competition and our submission was going to be published in the World Alminac for Kids 2004. She didn't believe me. I kneed a hole in a door because I was pissed that she didn't believe me. I tried to tell my parents it was her fault. It wasn't. It was my fault.

[Seanzie]

Neon has possibly not made her vote count towards a mafia wincon at all as yet.

Dennis has not made his count towards the town wincon.

FMPOV Seanzie has 4 egregious votes. Voted on both d1 and d2 town chops. Pushed against the wolf chop on d3. And is now tunneling me for bad reasons.

Do you find anyone who votes you to be "tunneling", or are you just throwing that word around?

I find someone who colour codes an arbitrary post of mine to say mac is a wolf dramatically 3 times without explaining how any of the 3 things I say to be tunneling, among other things.

I find it to be someone looking to see how Mac reacts, but okay.

Cool thanks for reaction testing me, making me overreact and then criticising me for overreacting. I appreciate the site ban I'll be receiving for it.

I didn't make you be mean about it.

When I was younger, I told my sister about how my middleschool class won a competition and our submission was going to be published in the World Alminac for Kids 2004. She didn't believe me. I kneed a hole in a door because I was pissed that she didn't believe me. I tried to tell my parents it was her fault. It wasn't. It was my fault.

Regardless, I'm over it.

[MacDougall]

Like you admittedly were goading me to search for a reaction. I was trying to calmly communicate with you so I didn't overreact. You then kept going to the point I did overreact. And then acted like I was out of line.

Which I could somewhat tell the entire time was why you were sussing me. Which is also why I ended up getting pissed off. Because essentially you telegraphed to me that as long as I was going to be rational and calm and stay friendly you were going to keep pushing me for bad reasons. Which is a frustrating place to be put, and a really bad way to read me specifically. Particularly because I was solving at the same time, asking you reasonable questions you were dismissing out of hand and being productive.

Am I sorry I said what I said, yes. But you should really reconsider how you approach me cuz you practically told me verbatim you were gonna tunnel me as long as I kept not overreacting.

[MacDougall]

tl;dr don't beg for the horns and then cry when you get them please.

[MacDougall]

And miss me with your patronising analogy.

[MacDougall]

Keep in mind you did the same thing to me on day 2 for like an entire hour while Nutella was pleading with you to see reason. And I just politely put up with it the entire time.

[Seanzie]

Like you admittedly were goading me to search for a reaction. I was trying to calmly communicate with you so I didn't overreact. You then kept going to the point I did overreact. And then acted like I was out of line.

Which I could somewhat tell the entire time was why you were sussing me. Which is also why I ended up getting pissed off. Because essentially you telegraphed to me that as long as I was going to be rational and calm and stay friendly you were going to keep pushing me for bad reasons. Which is a frustrating place to be put, and a really bad way to read me specifically. Particularly because I was solving at the same time, asking you reasonable questions you were dismissing out of hand and being productive.

Am I sorry I said what I said, yes. But you should really reconsider how you approach me cuz you practically told me verbatim you were gonna tunnel me as long as I kept not overreacting.

I accept your apology and I apologize as well for trying to push you in ways that you didn't feel comfortable with.

That being said, I don't think this is accurate. Perhaps you thought that was what I was looking for, but it isn't. I wasn't looking for anything in particular, but I was surprised to see you coming at me in ways that I felt were unjustified, especially since you've argued I was obvtown mutliple times (not that you can't change your mind, but I have the right to wonder when you do). Since I've been absent from the thread and don't have threadcred, I knew that if you were wolf, you could win the fight by simply pushing, and that's what it looked like.

What reasonable questions did you ask? I found this one "You say you haven't been here for 2 days and that what I'm saying isn't real. You bring high count despite not being here for 2 days if anything supports the argument. So why are you thinking my argument isn't real?" which if I actually have to address - it's because post count is not the right metric, but instead only an stand-in for activity patterns. My activity patterns should have looked worse than my post count suggests and you didn't account for that, so it seems like you were just looking for an easy reason to put me as a town read in what I presume would be a pocket attempt (in a wolf!Mac world).

[Seanzie]

Keep in mind you did the same thing to me on day 2 for like an entire hour while Nutella was pleading with you to see reason. And I just politely put up with it the entire time.

Nutella wasn't pleading with me to see reason, she was saying that vibe reads are fine.

[Seanzie]

Keep in mind you did the same thing to me on day 2 for like an entire hour while Nutella was pleading with you to see reason. And I just politely put up with it the entire time.

Nutella wasn't pleading with me to see reason, she was saying that vibe reads are fine.

I was just pushing you to elaborate and to give AI content. You spinning it like this feels disengenuous.

[Seanzie]

and the part where mac started leading and stuff?

like wtf dude where have you been

you and mac are probably both town just be chill

Look at Mac's SVS record. Does that look like Mac trying to sort someone, or does that look like Mac trying to flip someone? Keep in mind that again this is independent of SVS's alignment, ask yourself how MAC actually looks.

let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.

I was there, you're overstating what happened, and regardless you've been pushing scum!SVS since early today without reason, but now you only want to talk about what happened very recently.

let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.

I was there, you're overstating what happened, and regardless you've been pushing scum!SVS since early today without reason, but now you only want to talk about what happened very recently.

Also worth noting that Mac said nothing of SVS yesterday, but then came in today apparently convinced enough on wolf!SVS that he spent numerous posts saying it without explanation.

I'm not trying to stonewall u I just don't know how to handle u when you push me ever and nothing I do has ever stopped u from doing so once you get on a tangent so I cbf with it

What is your case on SVS? Why have you been pushing them for the entireity of D2? What was it that made you come in early D2 pushing them?

[Seanzie]

I'm not trying to stonewall u I just don't know how to handle u when you push me ever and nothing I do has ever stopped u from doing so once you get on a tangent so I cbf with it

What is your case on SVS? Why have you been pushing them for the entireity of D2? What was it that made you come in early D2 pushing them?

my case on svs is heh lol roflcopter.

I push them because I have good instincts and I trust myself.

I came in pushing her cuz lol her posts bad

[Seanzie]

but seanzie

if I saw your posts here and was like uh oh I better go and retrofit my mindset on svs to make it more palatable for seanzie

then I would be mafia lol.

u are getting unfiltered glorious mac right now. bask in it.

here's a sanity check.

can the below be true.

Mac gut read svs wolf immediately.
Mac is too lazy to really elaborate.
Mac doesn't need to because SVS got wolfy enough for her posts to convince others she is wolfy who are now doing the heavy lifting.
Mac is tired and finds seanzie overbearing and knows seanzie won't be appeased by anything Mac says so he's instead just doing farts.

lemme give you a hot tip

the above is reality. join us in it.

[Seanzie]

Y'all judge. I wanted to push harder but Nutella, for better or worse, was in my way.