[Mafia Win] Tongue-Tied Mafia

[fingersplints]

But to attest, I really didnt have suspicion of anyone yesterday and I dont feel like most people have much suspicion either except for on low posting slots like roxy and fs. Which is fine for lack of content but other than that idk where to go

I didn’t realise I had suspicion for low posting?
Silly reason for suspicion TBH

[fingersplints]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

[Dennis]

also how did you read that as me trying to pocket you?
townread = pocket?

Further towards the start you were just like "oh its bcuz his posts are towny" which sets off the pocket alarm in my head

But you gave a more concrete reason later so I changed my mind

Dennis why do you think kate was nk'd

From her recent games she was on fire. Like goc she did amazing, in Muppets she caught a wolf D1

Initial guess is wolves were worried which might suggest either 1. Kate was onto someone who was worried or 2. Kate can read the wolves well

[fingersplints]

But to attest, I really didnt have suspicion of anyone yesterday and I dont feel like most people have much suspicion either except for on low posting slots like roxy and fs. Which is fine for lack of content but other than that idk where to go

Why is it fine? Do you often find that low posters=wolf or do you think it’s more likely that people post more or less the same regardless of alignment? Also why specifically me and Rox for low posting slots is ok when falcon has posted less than Rox and sig has posted less than me

this feels like LHF grab tbh

[falcon45ca]

There was not a lot of discussion D1, but one of those driving discussion was Kate. I don't think it's any huge mystery why she would've been NK'd D1 this game by many & most Maf teams

[falcon45ca]

Spoiler: show

D | E | N | N | I | S

is

locktown

D | E | N | N | I | S

does not

K̷i̴l̷l̸

møthér...

This read is bad

Was Dennis pure then?

Was Dennis pure then?

Odds

ARE

That if so...

Then OPENs

Up to ROXY and DENNIS

But no, that doesn't make sense.

Surely you don't feel that Roxy and Dennis

Are BOTH in the PoE still.

That would be...

So lovely...

I’m confused by what you are saying here

One W on Dennis.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll use a bat

One W on Pyxxy.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll make you flat

One W floating free.

Who was that?

Be careful or they'll make you DEAD

Point 1 is ONLY impossible if there's a

W Dennis or

A 2nd on Pyxxy

The 2nd

Hoho ho...

The 2nd on Pyxxy

Is likely

Roxy.

again why? What makes you single me out? Why do you think I am bad.
I don't think wolves were anywhere near pyxxy's wagon.
Why?
Bc they knew they were town. Thats what makes me look everywhere but the Pyxxy voters.

Given the lack of wagon movement leading up to EOD, I'm inclined to agree

[falcon45ca]

One in

Sig, HK, Neon

One in

Lemonfairy

One in

Roxy, Kate, Splints, Porscha

Oh wolves

Did you think you could allude me?

Did you think that I'd let you escape

My eyes see all

For I know only truths.

I have the passion of justice burning within my

HEART.

O'Wolf team!

O'Porscha

O'Lemonfairy

O'HK

You shall feel the firm hand of justice upon you as I undo your wicked schemes!

For I am the hero of this story and you shall be my lovely rivals!

Feel free to keep SR'ing me, I do particularly enjoy your attention

(We should probably use the hands of justice to find wolves together though)

Why are you TR Wilgy?

[hollowkatt]

D | E | N | N | I | S

is

locktown

D | E | N | N | I | S

does not

K̷i̴l̷l̸

møthér...

Lol I hate reading the font in a voice in my brain

Anyway no reason to kill kate cuz she was tr'ing him

other than to work to cement the town read. It's something I've done before as wolf. Kill someone defending you because 1 why would wolf HK kill someone defending him and 2 helps cement that town read in the minds of other people when they talk abo0ut the legacy of the dead.

So no, not no reason. The question to ask is "would a team that contains dennis have reason to kill kate last night" not "would dennis pull the trigger"

[hollowkatt]

@Porscha why was ur D1 lameo?

[hollowkatt]

also how did you read that as me trying to pocket you?
townread = pocket?

Further towards the start you were just like "oh its bcuz his posts are towny" which sets off the pocket alarm in my head

But you gave a more concrete reason later so I changed my mind

Dennis why do you think kate was nk'd

From her recent games she was on fire. Like goc she did amazing, in Muppets she caught a wolf D1

Initial guess is wolves were worried which might suggest either 1. Kate was onto someone who was worried or 2. Kate can read the wolves well

I'm inclined to agree with this. I spec'd muppets, was in GOC, and yeah Kate has been rocking it. Kate also was second to top poster and involved in a lot of different conversations with lots of people so SPK isn't off the table there. Nor is reads kill. Has anyone gone through her reads yet? probs will do that this afternoon or tomorrow during the day.

[Porscha]

But to attest, I really didnt have suspicion of anyone yesterday and I dont feel like most people have much suspicion either except for on low posting slots like roxy and fs. Which is fine for lack of content but other than that idk where to go

Why is it fine? Do you often find that low posters=wolf or do you think it’s more likely that people post more or less the same regardless of alignment? Also why specifically me and Rox for low posting slots is ok when falcon has posted less than Rox and sig has posted less than me

this feels like LHF grab tbh

Lol. If you read back youd realize you shouldn't be on me. My statement was how I perceived the thread state - not how I personally viewed you or Roxy and I made no attempts at those slots. If you want to hunt in those who said that about you, I don't recall who said your names, but it wasnt me.

And I do think its "fine" (note: not good or bad) to keep some lhf in the poe until they post some more for better analysis.

[Porscha]

One in

Sig, HK, Neon

One in

Lemonfairy

One in

Roxy, Kate, Splints, Porscha

Oh wolves

Did you think you could allude me?

Did you think that I'd let you escape

My eyes see all

For I know only truths.

I have the passion of justice burning within my

HEART.

O'Wolf team!

O'Porscha

O'Lemonfairy

O'HK

You shall feel the firm hand of justice upon you as I undo your wicked schemes!

For I am the hero of this story and you shall be my lovely rivals!

Feel free to keep SR'ing me, I do particularly enjoy your attention

(We should probably use the hands of justice to find wolves together though)

Why are you TR Wilgy?

Do you not?

[Porscha]

@Porscha why was ur D1 lameo?

Moved houses :/ just busy irl

[Porscha]

D | E | N | N | I | S

is

locktown

D | E | N | N | I | S

does not

K̷i̴l̷l̸

møthér...

Lol I hate reading the font in a voice in my brain

Anyway no reason to kill kate cuz she was tr'ing him

other than to work to cement the town read. It's something I've done before as wolf. Kill someone defending you because 1 why would wolf HK kill someone defending him and 2 helps cement that town read in the minds of other people when they talk abo0ut the legacy of the dead.

So no, not no reason. The question to ask is "would a team that contains dennis have reason to kill kate last night" not "would dennis pull the trigger"

Yes I agree but the reality is I have no sense of whether the wolf team would do it, regardless of whether I asked myself that or not

[hollowkatt]

@Porscha why was ur D1 lameo?

Moved houses :/ just busy irl

I didn't mean quantity tho, I'm reading your quality as pretty low. There were a bunch of questions you asked but no follow ups and generally your posting on D1 feels a lot like "lemme just blend in here for a while and look good" more than it does "lets faff about for a while and then get into things". Maybe you're distracted and whatnot and that's legit, I'm just concerned.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[Porscha]

@Porscha why was ur D1 lameo?

Moved houses :/ just busy irl

I didn't mean quantity tho, I'm reading your quality as pretty low. There were a bunch of questions you asked but no follow ups and generally your posting on D1 feels a lot like "lemme just blend in here for a while and look good" more than it does "lets faff about for a while and then get into things". Maybe you're distracted and whatnot and that's legit, I'm just concerned.

Idk. Post counts are low and I really didnt have it in me to try to dig into all the posts that felt like there was nothing behind them to try and find something

[hollowkatt]

gonna go out on a limb and say Kate wasn't killed b/c reads

also thanks Porscha. Do you have any hot takes/spicy content you want to share:"?

[Lemonfairy]

ok am back
going to spam for a bit

[Lemonfairy]

One in

Lemonfairy

:c

[Lemonfairy]

They had that gut town read

sometimes I have gut reads that aren't actually gut reads but reads I've formed from certain posts or a combination of many posts, it's just that I forget where they came from

sometimes it's just a gut read though

[Lemonfairy]

I'd like you both to say why, but at the *very least* Neon said for fun. What's your excuse?

I did quote a post after that was part of the reason
you probably didn't connect the two together

another point but ig it's something minor but I don't like the word excuse used here
it's shady wording
idk if it was on purpose or not but I don't like it either way

anyway back to the reason

Although Roxy did first call out pyxxy who has now come and gone without addressing anything anyone has asked him. So I guess civ lean on her.

Null or lower: splints, Porscha, hk and lemonfairy

never mind

^this post
I said I was ok with voting you but I forgot specifically why but Kate's post was something I noted in my mind before and I wanted to revisit it if pyxxy flipped town

other reason was this post:

My poe:
Pyxxy for reasons stated above

Dennis bc of your convo with Neon felt forced when questioned you back tracked and gave non response answers. It is like sig said you seem to be trying to find a suspicion with tmi.

Porscha bc of your vote on pyxxy with zero posts made about them.

HK bc your posts feel very over eager to find suspicion on anyone, your votes are all over the place and it makes me feel like you are like - let's throw crap at this wall and see what sticks.

Wigly bc it feels like someone else is making your posts. While cool it dies not ring of town wigly posting.

Lemonfairy bc you feel off, different than our previous game together.

Townish feels

Splints
Neon
Kate
Falcon

If I didn't mention you how sad.

Dennis I'll just say hi here as idgf or a rats pahtootie about my post count. <3

idk, I just didn't vibe with your reads
actually, it's not even the reads because they're ok

maybe it's the reasons you gave

[Lemonfairy]

to expand on that, what I mean specifically is that your reasons all look reasonable and make sense in a vacuum, but something feels off about it as a whole

I can't really say what it is tbh
idk lol

[Lemonfairy]

Roxy/HK/falcon ?

there might have been be a bit of OMGUS involved for the creation of this world

[Lemonfairy]

again why? What makes you single me out? Why do you think I am bad.
I don't think wolves were anywhere near pyxxy's wagon.
Why?
Bc they knew they were town. Thats what makes me look everywhere but the Pyxxy voters.

[Lemonfairy]

yeah, Wilgy's prob just town

[Lemonfairy]

It is

Quite literally

The wagons and who voted on them

Group 1. Dennis voters.

Group 2. Free voters.

Group 3. Pyxxy voters.

W in each makes sense does it not?

makes sense
but it's not absolute

[Lemonfairy]

Pyxxy I have said my thoughts on, this is incredibly out of pyxxy's normal play and the super weird part is that they are still consistently posting and just like ignoring everyone. Has anyone played with wolf pyxxy and can they talk about this please

Hk still is off to me, because in scooby doo which is the only game I remember playing they were much more into it. Like so far from hk it has pretty much only been "mk" sorta posts

Lemonfairy is the same as hk

Porscha is more jokey, less serious than what I've seen from town porscha

Has falcon even said anything?

Everyone else is OK with me for now

I mean, this is the first post of substance I see in Dennis' ISO and idk, it looks pretty good
there's thoughts, it doesn't feel forced, there's no sense of having an underlying purpose behind it

it's not a bad post but it is pretty basic and shouldn't be the root cause for a town read b/c like a competent wolf should be able to make that 100 times out of 100 given that it's basically entirely meta as in "x is not the same as last time I saw x" but there's very little in the way of conclusion or what I like to call Actionable Thoughts.

I was less looking at the reads themselves and more the way they were presented, if that makes sense
I just liked the feel of it

agree it's not a strong reason for a townread but it was good enough for me at the time it was made and it's not like my reads are locked in

[Lemonfairy]

This a wolf being on a vanity wagon makes sense. See Lemon.

find someone else from the vanity wagons because it's not lemon

[Lemonfairy]

lemonfairy as townleans

am pocketed

[Lemonfairy]

was that my first townread?
no, I think neon's was the first

[Lemonfairy]

Cuz wolves could've easily stayed off...why start w/ Roxy?

why not?

Oh, well then by that token let's start with you



[VOTE: lemon] aubergine

.___.

what did this accomplish?

also what was the charge against me?

[Lemonfairy]

I was the first person to vote pyxxy (for no particular reason other than for reactions, like my first vote on falcon) but then I couldnt get back to the game and he flipped anyway zz

oh good to know
I thought the voters would show up in order based on who voted first, second, etc., but apparently not

[Lemonfairy]

also how did you read that as me trying to pocket you?
townread = pocket?

Further towards the start you were just like "oh its bcuz his posts are towny" which sets off the pocket alarm in my head

But you gave a more concrete reason later so I changed my mind

fair ig

I wasn't trying to meta read you I was trying to see how you normally talk. Like how I use the word "like" unnecessarily a lot

I see
that's cool then

I just didn't wanna take your laid back sorta tone the wrong way

yeah, idk my tone is probably different from last game too
I think I'm warming up to my usual tone now

even the start of this game, I felt a bit out of sorts

[falcon45ca]

Cuz wolves could've easily stayed off...why start w/ Roxy?

why not?

Oh, well then by that token let's start with you



[VOTE: lemon] aubergine

.___.

what did this accomplish?

also what was the charge against me?

The charge against you is that there's as much reason to vote roxy as to vote you.






May I ask what your vote has accomplished?

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

I still like Porscha tbh

I mean, at the beginning I was townreading them because they said I was cute (which admittedly is not a good reason to townread someone)
that plus the light-heartedness in their posts, which I still see today

idk we'll see

[Lemonfairy]

I almost accidentally deleted my post before posting it

[Lemonfairy]

SPK isn't off the table there

what's SPK?

[Lemonfairy]

The charge against you is that there's as much reason to vote roxy as to vote you.

but I explained my reasons for voting roxy but no one has explained why they wanted to vote me
not even pyxxy

[Lemonfairy]

I might actually hit post cap this phase

[falcon45ca]

The charge against you is that there's as much reason to vote roxy as to vote you.

but I explained my reasons for voting roxy but no one has explained why they wanted to vote me
not even pyxxy

I mean, I literally asked you why Roxy, and you said "why not?"...so is that still your reason?

[Lemonfairy]

I just took a look at D1 wagons again (was actually just on my way to check my post cap)

I know I told DrWilgy to look at the other standalone wagons but it's just me, pyxxy and Wilgy lol
if I'm town, pyxxy is town, and Wilgy is town then one scum per wagon might not be too bad

maybe Roxy/HK/falcon isn't that unbelievable

[Lemonfairy]

I mean, I literally asked you why Roxy, and you said "why not?"...so is that still your reason?

no, I posted my actual reason later
when I had the time to actually answer

can you find it on your own or do you need me to pull it up for you?

[Lemonfairy]

my reads are either really bad or really good
or both idk

[Lemonfairy]

I need to save myself some posts so I can unleash my fury at whoever decides to push me in bad faith later

[falcon45ca]

I'd like you both to say why, but at the *very least* Neon said for fun. What's your excuse?

I did quote a post after that was part of the reason
you probably didn't connect the two together

another point but ig it's something minor but I don't like the word excuse used here
it's shady wording
idk if it was on purpose or not but I don't like it either way

anyway back to the reason

Although Roxy did first call out pyxxy who has now come and gone without addressing anything anyone has asked him. So I guess civ lean on her.

Null or lower: splints, Porscha, hk and lemonfairy

never mind

^this post
I said I was ok with voting you but I forgot specifically why but Kate's post was something I noted in my mind before and I wanted to revisit it if pyxxy flipped town

other reason was this post:

My poe:
Pyxxy for reasons stated above

Dennis bc of your convo with Neon felt forced when questioned you back tracked and gave non response answers. It is like sig said you seem to be trying to find a suspicion with tmi.

Porscha bc of your vote on pyxxy with zero posts made about them.

HK bc your posts feel very over eager to find suspicion on anyone, your votes are all over the place and it makes me feel like you are like - let's throw crap at this wall and see what sticks.

Wigly bc it feels like someone else is making your posts. While cool it dies not ring of town wigly posting.

Lemonfairy bc you feel off, different than our previous game together.

Townish feels

Splints
Neon
Kate
Falcon

If I didn't mention you how sad.

Dennis I'll just say hi here as idgf or a rats pahtootie about my post count. <3

idk, I just didn't vibe with your reads
actually, it's not even the reads because they're ok

maybe it's the reasons you gave

Yeah, so I'm totally fine flipping lemon. I don't find this explanation towny whatsoever, plus it seems to ignore the fact that Roxy was TR by Kate...and Kate has a fair amount of play experience w/ Roxy, so I find that NK coming from Kate's TR unlikely

[Lemonfairy]

Yeah, so I'm totally fine flipping lemon. I don't find this explanation towny whatsoever, plus it seems to ignore the fact that Roxy was TR by Kate...and Kate has a fair amount of play experience w/ Roxy, so I find that NK coming from Kate's TR unlikely

actually, Kate didn't really have much of a read on Roxy and their later TR was because Roxy was the first to call out Pyxxy, who didn't respond
Pyxxy flipping green makes that TR have less weight

I quoted it because it reminded me that Roxy was one of the main pushers for Pyxxy and - this second part is more just speculation and not worth as much weight - Kate noticing this could have been a reason for their NK

you're ignoring a fair bit of nuance by treating Kate's read as static
granted, I have no idea if they would've changed the read later or not but saying I'm ignoring the read and treating the TR on Roxy as a good read to follow (Kate's posts did not indicate they felt very strongly or were very sure on Roxy's TR) is pushing it



you also highlighted the part where I said Roxy's reads are ok
sure, that's a contradiction on my part

but you've ignored my further explanation in the next post
I know I didn't explain it well but it sure feels like you couldn't be bothered to read me more carefully

here's the rest of my explanation btw:

to expand on that, what I mean specifically is that your reasons all look reasonable and make sense in a vacuum, but something feels off about it as a whole

I can't really say what it is tbh

I stand by my opinion that giving out reads with reasons that are individually reasonable but doesn't have a good overall feel is wolfy
there were also a lot of wolfreads in that list, which is ok but paired with the reasons, I think a few reasons aren't really strong enough to warrant a wolfread (this point could just be a playstyle difference though)

[falcon45ca]

Yeah, so I'm totally fine flipping lemon. I don't find this explanation towny whatsoever, plus it seems to ignore the fact that Roxy was TR by Kate...and Kate has a fair amount of play experience w/ Roxy, so I find that NK coming from Kate's TR unlikely

actually, Kate didn't really have much of a read on Roxy and their later TR was because Roxy was the first to call out Pyxxy, who didn't respond
Pyxxy flipping green makes that TR have less weight

I quoted it because it reminded me that Roxy was one of the main pushers for Pyxxy and - this second part is more just speculation and not worth as much weight - Kate noticing this could have been a reason for their NK

you're ignoring a fair bit of nuance by treating Kate's read as static
granted, I have no idea if they would've changed the read later or not but saying I'm ignoring the read and treating the TR on Roxy as a good read to follow (Kate's posts did not indicate they felt very strongly or were very sure on Roxy's TR) is pushing it



you also highlighted the part where I said Roxy's reads are ok
sure, that's a contradiction on my part

but you've ignored my further explanation in the next post
I know I didn't explain it well but it sure feels like you couldn't be bothered to read me more carefully

here's the rest of my explanation btw:

to expand on that, what I mean specifically is that your reasons all look reasonable and make sense in a vacuum, but something feels off about it as a whole

I can't really say what it is tbh

I stand by my opinion that giving out reads with reasons that are individually reasonable but doesn't have a good overall feel is wolfy
there were also a lot of wolfreads in that list, which is ok but paired with the reasons, I think a few reasons aren't really strong enough to warrant a wolfread (this point could just be a playstyle difference though)

Whole lotta words for "gut feels", no?

[falcon45ca]

@sig

[Lemonfairy]

it feel like falcon is treating my slot in a stingy way (I learned this from someone else but I forgot the actual word that was used but stingy is good enough) and that could be scummy
because usually town is looking to solve above all else and will hesitate and re-evaluate as long as I show some hints of towniness but scum tend to ignore towny pings and hone in on small things that make towns scummy in order to push agenda (or push for a misexe, same thing)

and yeah, I think my previous posts have reached a point where I can be reasonably townread (even if it's just a tone read)
especially with people who have not played with me before, they actually tend to err on the side of townreading me more than they probably should from the tone of my posts

falcon's response to me was also pretty dismissive and I don't think they're trying to solve me in earnest
and they still haven't answered my question on why they scumread me before

TL;DR voting lemon is a wolf claim